LittleBird`s miniguns

[thin spruce]

Add a little random spread to guns on this helicopter

[jaunty light]

we are not turning the little bird into a hawk

[lament phoenix]

No

[sage bane]

i feel thatd make it just

worse

skill means less

and cant suprpess infantry as much

oh and itd fuck shit up when theres groups of infantry

[jaunty light]

it already does

[sage bane]

skissue

[fallen carbon]

Why though? You can easily take it down with rpgs or a few people engaging with LMG fire whilst it’s attacking you

It’s not like it’s a floating unkillable air tank with perfect accuracy

[jaunty light]

till they let us repair it from copilot seat

[wind wing]

LB got nerfed so many times already💀

[thin spruce]

Why not?

Just a little bit more spread, not like hawk

[jaunty light]

bird sucks rn

[thin spruce]

I like this type of gameplay

[jaunty light]

wym

[thin spruce]

Where you can fly, shoot and help your teammates with cap

Birds are fast

And I like it

But I dont like 100% accuracy, when hawks have like 2 meter radius

That's strange

[jaunty light]

capping isnt what the armed bird is meant to do

[thin spruce]

Also somehow 1 bullet from a fuckin minigun doesn't one shot to head enemy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1091865976166953010.png?quality=lossless

[jaunty light]

littlebird has been nerfed a lot

[thin spruce]

Make little bird great again

[jaunty light]

this thread aint doing that LOL

[thin spruce]

Yes and?

[jaunty light]

buff little bird

[thin spruce]

True

[remote ember]

most sane and logical bbr player

[civic tusk]

people go 100-0 with littlebird i am up for a nerf

[jaunty light]

average clueless battlebit player

[civic tusk]

not clueless to see someone destroy the intire enemie team and if they get shot at they just get to basicaly instantly teliport back to spawn

cant have vehicles too powerful when 90% of players are infantry in every round just ruins the game

[jaunty light]

i can tell you dont use littlebird at all

both parts arent true

[civic tusk]

nope more of a blackhawk pilot

[civic tusk]

cant be botherd to get used to controls that can actualy help aim

[remote ember]

vehicles running lobbies holy shit 💀

[void patrol]

More nerfs to the nerf god

[void patrol]

Do you know how long it takes to learn this? This would be a problem if every random person did this. On a tank you can also make 100-0 on several maps, but tanks are complete crap

[civic tusk]

i learnt the default controls very quickly and the more straigh forward ones would probably be even easier

[void patrol]

I mean learn how to do 100-0

[civic tusk]

fly around and shoot people in a heli you can see basicaly everyone

[void patrol]

I think you didn't understand the essence of the question

[jaunty light]

@civic tusk littlebird doesn’t need more nerfs because the “100-0” games you see are by players who have invested hundreds of hours into the littlebird to become consistent with it. You cant just say that something needs a nerf just because some people did good with it. That’s like saying “assault rifles need a nerf cuz this guy got 150 kills with it in one match”, utter bs.

[viscid shuttle]

Because of reddit whining and witch hunting to that

Fucking disgrace what whappend to LB and why

[distant dagger]

absolutely deserved

[viscid shuttle]

No, absolutely not

After flight changes, dmg drop off was unnecessary

What was needed was resonable counterplay, which we don't have even now

So yeah, knee jerk reaction and failure to solve the problem properly

Just stright up nerfing it to the ground, making its gameplay terrible, even when stated on dev cast week or two prior intention to solve the problem without nerfing it to the ground

[void patrol]

The gameplay is already terrible if people on the server understand that you just need to shoot at the LB. Games of 100+ are only possible because almost no one focuses LB

[viscid shuttle]

Yeah, and that always was a thing

[void patrol]

When people use the potential of the AA weapons that Oki gave them, it's scary

[viscid shuttle]

But telling that to those whiny children on reddit wasn't enough, they wanted LB destroyed, and they achieved that for sure

And Oki folded to that like wet origami, killing LB, making part of his game intentionaly unplayable

Now he does that with snipers

[cerulean whale]

also did some drama on some clan

[viscid shuttle]

In 2025 only assault on adderal with SMG will be vialbe gameplay

[viscid shuttle]

No correlation to LB performance and balance

Tho they went on a two week long witch hunt

[void patrol]

By the way, it’s easier on 64vs64 servers; I did the first 100+ on them. But such servers are less popular

[jaunty light]

yeah you will live longer on 64 versus 127 servers

and you can take your time

but ultimately 127 is better for raw kills

[viscid shuttle]

Overall vehicle gameplay is easier and more enjoyable, still not good by any means, on 64v64. Less people, so the flaws of design are less obvious

The best is 32v32, but that's the sweat town, and I don't remember when I seen Conq on 32v32

And did played apc there once, and it was fun

[void patrol]

I have never seen an armed LB on the 32vs32 server. Do they even exist? There's a completely different pool of maps

[viscid shuttle]

Yeah, idk about that

I am not even sure if they are tanks on 32v32

[void patrol]

I just looked and they are there. And there are tanks too

[viscid shuttle]

On which maps?

Isle 100% doesn't have

[void patrol]

There was both a tank and a LB on the isle. Sandy only had a tank

[viscid shuttle]

I just played on isle and there was no tank

[void patrol]

The thing is that the same map can be different on servers with fewer players. For example, on wakistan 64vs64 point C is in different places. And whether there will be a tank or a LB depends on this. Most likely 32vs32 also has such a difference

[void patrol]

I just played isle 32vs32. There was both a tank and a LB

idk

Here is the tank on Sandy. But LB is transport

[wicked walrus]

sniper too :(

[wicked walrus]

i know ppl who can do that and they do not main helis at all... feels like the snipers crying about their nerf, bc u have to invest time and blablabla. if u have good aim u can seriously focus ppl down with this thing and that should not be the case even further u can distract entire teams with your spam fire... only bc u have to learn it doesnt mean that it isnt op

[jaunty light]

who

[wicked walrus]

kuschelru, konny

not exactly 100 but easily 70+

[jaunty light]

big fucking difference

[wicked walrus]

its like sniping the sniping thing... i easily did 50+ rounds with like 5 hrs on sniper

its like the snipers... now u get punished wayy harder, but it doesnt mean that u cannt do 50+ rounds. strong things need strong punishes :/ deal with it and get better

[viscid shuttle]

I also know people that can do that. Half a dozen of them. Last time I have seen LB doing more than 40 was few weeks ago. It is just objectively very rare thing, and it requires a lot of skill.

And it's extremly hard to learn flying ALB rn, like, much harder than it ever was. The skill floor is higher than for scout helis in BF

[jaunty light]

i rarely ever see enemy littlebirds going more than 50-0 in a game (apart for me of course), it is just really rare to see

[viscid shuttle]

Yeah it is

It was rare at 87k peak

It was rare before FlyAce drama

That was peak, but still rare

[thin spruce]

Who is this ppl, who puts ❌ ?

I mean, that's not a HUGE buff

Why not?

[jaunty light]

littlebird already is in a good-ish spot (not too bad not too good)

not thought out suggestion either

[viscid shuttle]

Nah, it's either too hard to kill with, or dies to easily when trying to kill, depending on your wiew, one of those

And being able to shoot out pilot as easy as it is rn doesn't help

[jaunty light]

i might be biased because im like top 5 best littlebird players but its neither of those

[viscid shuttle]

That a strong claim to do you know

[jaunty light]

yeah

[viscid shuttle]

Prove it

[jaunty light]

well

estimation

and im mostly talking about NA

dont have any clue what the situations are in other parts of the world

[civic tusk]

with at least 30-60 deaths?

[viscid shuttle]

No one says 'nerf M4, this guy went 100 kills with it'. First thing when vehicle does good, people call for nerfs, they don't congratulate or even say 'nice'

That's like, deep roted bias

[civic tusk]

ok ill fraise my argument like this then most maps are very open with little cover from the little bird most maps it can get back to spawn after 10-20 seconds takes a bunch of people to all be shooting at it to get it low unless its low to the ground when you can hit the pilot fairly consistantly (its usualy not because its so accurate)

[civic tusk]

forgot to mention the obvious when 80-90% of players are infantry if vehicles like the littlebird are overbearing it just makes the game unfun

[jaunty light]

my end bias or the battlebit community bias

[viscid shuttle]

Every game bias

[viscid shuttle]

That's 100% subjective tho.
Some people find any vehicle 'overbearing' when it's kills them once a week (not an exaggeration) while some find them totally resonable and good source of XP

[viscid shuttle]

It's not like there is no counterplay to this...

[civic tusk]

name one

[civic tusk]

if a decent pilot gets their hands on a littlebird majority of that server feels it especialy if its an open map

[viscid shuttle]

Oh I will name a few, and they are all braidead

1. Shoot at the LB, it needs to be front towards you, just shoot at pilots position, you will probably hit him, and 9 out of 10 pilots will disengage.
2. Play engi and use RPG'S, majority of pilots gets scared shitless when shoot at by them
3. Use 7m or HMG jeeps, they are fun and aboudant on every gamemode/layer with any heli. They also deal good dmg to them.
4. Build a sandbag and try to place it between you and heli, he can't go vertical, he needs to be more horizontaly, just use it as a cower
5. Don't run alone in the open, more of you, bigger chance to scare the pilot with gunfire

[civic tusk]

ill try some of them but shooting it usualy doesnt work because hes back in 30 seconds if you damage the heli and if hes facing you your usualy dead in half a second

[viscid shuttle]

Well, that runs in contratry to my experience. EU pilots run away often, but they don't always come back for you specifically.
And you definitely can use this 30s to find beter cover

[void patrol]

I just like the current accuracy, I feel like a surgeon when I shoot.

[void patrol]

Now they are complaining that the LB can fly away from danger and get repaired. Next time they'll really say that LB shouldn't fly

[jaunty light]

"nerf littlebird" mfs after being told that its getting shadownerf after shadownerf
"wait what? but oki didnt put it in the patchnotes! so it didnt get nerfed"
and yet i can obviously feel the difference...

[void patrol]

There were no shadow nerfs. All the nerfs are in the patch notes, it’s just that some of them are not obvious, such as increasing light damage to everything over the course of several patches

[jaunty light]

~~i refuse to accept the believable truth with evidence to back it up and i will stand by my own side ~~

[viscid shuttle]

They wanted it removed out right

With a lot of spite too

[civic tusk]

just stated that shooting it usualy does work because it goes so fast even when its low hp

[viscid shuttle]

So, like shooting at it or it running away works?

[void patrol]

I do not understand what you mean. Try to express your thoughts more clearly

It also shouldn't work so you can solo the helicopter. Naturally, if you are one on one with a pilot who has learned to play at least a little, then you are dead and this is absolutely normal

[viscid shuttle]

I had the same feeling about APC many times. It all boils down to bad server performance and sometimes your bad performance.

[viscid shuttle]

And that death costs you 3 sec in menu. And you can respawn right where you died on a squad mate too.

[civic tusk]

getting majority of a sqaud to shoot a littlebird usualy doesnt kill it, it flys out of range of accuracy of most guns fairly quickly then its back in the next 30 seconds

[viscid shuttle]

Yeah, but with much less HP

So it's easier to kill now

[civic tusk]

since when?

[void patrol]

And what do you suggest? What specific nerf do you want?

[viscid shuttle]

If you shoot at it, you will hit it, unless you are total orphans. If you hit it, he has less hp. It's can't RTB in 30s, unless that's azagor or sth.

[jaunty light]

zazagor built different 😭

[void patrol]

Azagor is pure hell for LB

[viscid shuttle]

Map is literally 1km x 0.5km

That's small as fuck

Even District is 1x1km

[civic tusk]

dont know was just stating that the idea of just shooting it usualy doesnt work

[void patrol]

You don't shoot well enough. Even if you didn’t kill the LB but simply sent him to the base for repairs, this will seriously spoil his effectiveness.

[jaunty light]

Bullet storm

[void patrol]

And you also don’t even know what kind of nerf you want. It's a little cringe

[civic tusk]

fair point

[civic tusk]

litraly said it was a reply when he stated a few ways to counter the littlebird

[jaunty light]

Just don’t nerf little bird anymore thx

[void patrol]

dude...

[jaunty light]

Learn how to aim rpg or sum

[civic tusk]

to be fair i do see now it was mainly on azagor and smaller maps

[jaunty light]

Aza not even the best little bird map

District isn’t tensa it’s pretty good uhh what else is a small map

[void patrol]

I liked the old Basra

Rip

[civic tusk]

everyone did

[jaunty light]

Old Basra better ngl

That 117-3(?) game I got on new Basra was a fluke

Those people didn’t know how to aim

[prime jungle]

As someone who learned how to aim with lilbird, i can asure that this post is a skill issue

[honest palm]

Bird still very annoying

[viscid shuttle]

If you can't raise your gun up to shoot at it

[void patrol]

You take the support class, take the M249, install a bipod, lie down in a place that is inconvenient for the LB and counter him like a defenseless baby. And if there are two or three of you, it will be very painful

Or everything is the same but with DMR. This option is for those who are able to take the lead

[honest palm]

That works?

[void patrol]

Yep

[honest palm]

Nvm, LBs suck actually

Can’t you just run around and they can’t hit you or something

[void patrol]

This will save you only from some of the pilots, but not from all. If you meet me, you'll just extend your life a little. You can also run into the building

[honest palm]

Nah, just do the thing where you jump around and swing your mouse around while healing and you won’t kill shit

[void patrol]

You underestimate me))

[viscid shuttle]

You don't even need to take suppoort. Just make sure your gun have L vehicle damage

[jaunty light]

While this does throw off a large portion of the bullets it doesn’t guarantee life against a good littlebird

[honest palm]

I could just build tbh…

[jaunty light]

Usually not enough time to build a roof/structure that’ll keep you safe

[honest palm]

Most people can’t use the LB properly anyways

[void patrol]

True

[jaunty light]

Ye

[fallen carbon]

It very much reeks of it. Random bullet spread would be the nail in the coffin for lb if that happens

As others said, “nerfing/removing something” without a justifiable reason isn’t a solution that ends well. It’s essentially admitting you don’t know how to balance, especially true in this case where something already has been straight up nerfed to the ground.

[fallen carbon]

💀

I’m not even gonna engage this statement cause ik imma get warned if I do

[jaunty light]

Dudes a dumbass proved it time and time again