Ranked servers and ELO score

[dusky snow]

I was just watching a player on Twitch, and I realized that some players are actually quite good at the game, but everybody plays with everybody, which means that good players stomp bad players, which is not good.

Restricting to XP rank is not good.

Battlebit should implement a system to restrict server for specific "ELO rank" ranges. It would require the implementation of an ELO system, but not where the ELO gain/loss is the same across teammates (like in overwatch). ELO would be a separate value, different from the XP system, since XP is only earned, while ELO can be earned and lost.

Instead, at the end of a match, you earn or lose ELO score, scaled with your ingame score, relative to your teammates score.

• In the WINNING team, the players with the best score EARNS 10 ELO points

• In the WINNING team, the players with the worst score EARNS 0 ELO points

• In the LOSING team, the players with the best score EARNS 2 ELO points

• In the LOSING team, the players with the worst score LOSES 10 ELO points

That sort of calculation guarantees that good players are encouraged to play well AND to help their side win, since both those behavior lead to earning ELO.

Also, the ELO gain/loss could be scaled depending on the remaining tickets.

When the ELO scores are implemented, ranked servers would be "ELO restricted", meaning you can only join servers that are dedicated for your ELO range. ELO range values would automatically be recalculated depending on statistucs of ELO distribution among players, so that players could be properly spread on servers, since ELO would not be equally distributed among players.

The ELO gain/loss would also be scaled on how long you played on the map from start to finish.

[shy lagoon]

SBMM 🤮

Also server size vs player count makes this basically impossible

[dusky snow]

Well there should be beginner and high tier server, that are restricted to players with high or low xp

[dusky snow]

at first you have 3 server ranges, so it's good

if server hosters decide to make a ranked server it's fine

[shy lagoon]

Either the elo range on each server will be so large it won't do anything or you'll have nobody with high ELO able to fill a server

[dusky snow]

read the post again, elo range are calculated depending on ELO distribution among players

[icy wigeon]

just no

[shy lagoon]

That's literally what I said, "the ranges will be so high it won't matter"

Elo works OK on like 16 player games with 50k concurrent players, not 252 man servers with 3k concurrent

[icy wigeon]

we may have sweats but theres still more casuals than sweats

[knotty tusk]

I see the good intent, but this is not necessary in a 127v127

[dusky snow]

in my head it makes sense, maybe you don't understand what I mean by distribution

[icy wigeon]

i mean oki did mention comeptitve type servers

but not for like higher player count

[shy lagoon]

Either the range a given server will have will be so large ELO won't matter, or the high ELO servers will never fill

[icy wigeon]

and it would be using the faceit iirc?

[knotty tusk]

If this was a 6v6, yeah, having a balanced match up is paramount in ensuring a fun and fair experience.
In 127v127, you have so many players, good or not, you will not inherently be at a disadvantage because the enemy team has 10 good players and yours has 3

[icy wigeon]

but yeah i dont play like anything below 254 so no for elo

[shy lagoon]

Even in smaller game mode I think the problem will exist because the player count us not high so you don't have enough of a pool to populate then from

[icy wigeon]

its fine on smaller game mode

probabably fine upto 16v16

[dusky snow]

As long as low ELO and high ELO don't play together it "raises the stakes", meaning things gets harder for high ELO players

[shy lagoon]

Brother I already see the same players every day without ELO, the player base simply isn't large enough for it to work for most game modes

[icy wigeon]

its enoug for lower player base

[shy lagoon]

Either it will mean nothing , or you will punish skilled players by them never finding a server that can fill

[icy wigeon]

i mean lower player count servers

[dusky snow]

The important intent is to prevent casual to get stomped by "sweat" players, so isolating sweat players with average players and "protecting" casuals enable a better experience for casual players... which mean more sales for the game.

[icy wigeon]

since youll be fighting sweats vs sweats anyway

elo wont work on higher player count servers

[knotty tusk]

that's the thing, this would matter in a 6v6 or 16v16

not in anything above that

[dusky snow]

the distribution is based on the X % best ELO, so the best server will never be empty, it will hold the best ELO players

[icy wigeon]

like this game may have enough players

[shy lagoon]

Brother you don't understand what range means

[icy wigeon]

but not enough for actual elo since game is still to casual

[dusky snow]

I'm going to do a chart, wait a minute

[icy wigeon]

gap between casual and real sweats is really big if you ask me

kek

[knotty tusk]

I'm an alright player, not a god, but alright. I've played against and with some of the resident EU gods such as BattleGranny, and at no point did I feel like the skill level of the other players was a major issue, because there's so many players, a handful of good players will NOT matter

[shy lagoon]

If you do that on a 252 server with the current player base you will, like I've said literally 50 times, either have so large of a range that it doesn't matter, or be unable to fill high elo servers

Idk how this is a concept that is hard to understand

[icy wigeon]

yeah like doesnt matter much in a higher player count server

[knotty tusk]

I've been rolled by better players than me, I have rolled by worse players than me.
I've been rolled by worse players than me, I have rolled better players than me.

Because there's so much EVERYTHING happening

[errant ether]

there will be a ranked mode soon
it has already been worked on

source?
the last devstream...

[icy wigeon]

they arent working on it

[knotty tusk]

The map is wide and open, you often have the support of teammates so a fight never is truly fair

[icy wigeon]

they just said planning on it

[knotty tusk]

SBMM is simply not something that fits

[errant ether]

they are

oki literally showed a prototype in the stream lol

[icy wigeon]

oh you mean literally the last latest dev stream?

[errant ether]

ye

[icy wigeon]

is it for 254 player?

[errant ether]

no

[icy wigeon]

whats the player count?

[errant ether]

5v5 or smth

[icy wigeon]

16v16?

aight

[knotty tusk]

because you'll be pitting the 100 or so god gamers into the same queue causing them to never find a match. Look at fucking overwatch, it's a 5v5 with a playerbase so much larger than BBR, and the top players are struggling to find matches.

[shy lagoon]

The 6v6 and 16v16 iirc

[icy wigeon]

thats good

if its on like on 32v32 and abnove thats like

too dumb

[shy lagoon]

Holy... someone who actually understands statistics

[knotty tusk]

if there's a ranked gamemode for BBR, keep SBMM for that, keep it out of casual

[warm sparrow]

battlebit is one of the few fps games left that just lets you log in, run around and do whatever the hell you want. Thats part of whats amazing about it. Keep this for the 8v8 ranked mode if anything

[icy wigeon]

and this isnt exclusive too overwatch i mean eople are like making smurf just to find games just to play

[knotty tusk]

Though I am largely against a competitive system in the first place, this is the only way I see SBMM happening

[shy lagoon]

Like you're tried of getting killed by sweats...

Become one 😈

[knotty tusk]

Nah I don't give enough fucks to become one

I'm the guy that will consistently output screams of agonising death to the point that my throat hurts the next day

because its funny

[shy lagoon]

Idk sweating in BBR is fun to me and normally I'm the most average of average players in other games

[shy lagoon]

I do that while I'm sweating doe 🥺

[knotty tusk]

I'm the guy that will give sniper I sneak up on a chance to react to me by saying "pssst, behind you" or asking them to play rock paper scissors

because its funny

BBR is funny

[shy lagoon]

I do all these while sweating... sweating doesn't mean you can't have fun 😭

[icy wigeon]

fun is subjective anyway

people find fun in tryharding

[knotty tusk]

yeah but fun <> funny

running around the map in pure silence and dialed in isn't funny...

sure it can be fun

but I won't exactly be smiling

and I feel like the funny and communicative aspects of BBR have been lost

[icy wigeon]

yeah kinda

[knotty tusk]

no one uses voip, no one goes for funny bits, it's just music, racial slurs and other than that, silence

[dusky snow]

You see, ELO is not well distributed, so you calculate several range, with the same amount of players. Done.

[shy lagoon]

I guess? I feel like even when I'm sweating I still have plenty of time for the funni

[warm sparrow]

@dusky snow there is no amount of paint or made up math you can do that will ever make ELO function in a game like battlebit with any sort of substantial player count.

[knotty tusk]

then you aren't truly sweating though, I feel like truly sweating is to not care about anything else other than getting the W

[shy lagoon]

Brother go look at the player base on steamcharts then explain to me how the top 252 elo would ever fill.

Unless they increase the range to the point where it literally doesn't even matter

[icy wigeon]

ive seen people like use voip for funny i was in aussie battler earlier and people where like having shit and giggles in that littlebird transpo heli and people rping and screaming

[dusky snow]

We disagree I guess then, it's okay

[shy lagoon]

It's not an opinion it's literally the facts

[warm sparrow]

Your vision for this change is terrifying and i am thankful that this has 0 chance in hell of every being applied

[dusky snow]

Thanks for the chat anyway I guess

[icy wigeon]

this is literally what cs2 or dota 2 match making

kek

[shy lagoon]

I guess I'm not sweaty then idk. I feel like I am when I'm dial in though. I'm not TTV levels of sweat is all maybe 🤣

[icy wigeon]

and people with higher elo wont be finding good matches there kek

queue time would be like shit long

[dusky snow]

so? it's a good thing then?

[shy lagoon]

No its good in theory but terrible in practice. On a game with lower player count servers and massively higher playerbase

[dusky snow]

Although I don't mean to "force" servers to use the ELO system, it would be optional. it would allow casual to play against casuals if they want to, same for tryhards

[icy wigeon]

yeah it isnt forced just saying opeople who would be using it

[shy lagoon]

Then literally noone will use it so it's just a waste of dev time... Noone voluntarily chooses SBMM

[icy wigeon]

would have like problems

especially in queue times

and its a common problem to games who uses this system

[dusky snow]

there's no queue time... it's just an ELO restriction that prevent people from joining... also range could overlap, and if there are 3 or 5 ranges, it's okay.

[warm sparrow]

[shy lagoon]

Omfg this conversation...

Circular af

I'm out it's never gonna happen and I'm thankful for that

[warm sparrow]

You effectively just said, 'theres no queue time, there will just be queue times SOMETIMES'

[icy wigeon]

so like 24/7 server? lol

[warm sparrow]

That is not how match making works, this isnt how any of this works

[shy lagoon]

Yeah which won't be populated because we literally just addressed this but the conversation keeps going around and around

[dusky snow]

I never talked about matchmaking though

[shy lagoon]

I'm about to commit self delete

[warm sparrow]

You didnt use the word but you described the mechanics and function

[shy lagoon]

In BBR

[icy wigeon]

what game uses elo and doesnt use matchmaking?

[shy lagoon]

ELO is literally matchmaking the two are inextricably linked

If you have elo you by default have matchmaking

[icy wigeon]

idk im asking seriously here cuz im curious if some game does this

[warm sparrow]

Its technically possible to have a ranking system with no match making

The finals behaves this way actually

[shy lagoon]

Ranking and SBMM are two different things, one is a statistic the other is a method to yknow... make matches

[warm sparrow]

their rank system is effectievely a measure of games played, with no upper or lower limit on who can be in a lobby. You can have bronze players fight #1 in the world

[dusky snow]

thanks, some people are on my side then

[warm sparrow]

No we are talking about the nuance of two systems you dont appear to understand

[shy lagoon]

Literally noone is on your side 💀

[icy wigeon]

lmao

[icy wigeon]

interesting

[shy lagoon]

Again I'd like an additional ranked mode for 6v6 and 16v16 if only to improve myself but having ELO is never going to work for so many reasons

[icy wigeon]

played finals but never did ranked matches there and i just quit cuz its not a game for me. its fun tho 100% just not for me cuz im bad at it

[shy lagoon]

Same... Talk about sweaty games holy... 🤢

Literally the sweatiest lobbies I've ever seen in my entire life have all been in that game

I'm getting old and my RT is too shit to compete with zoomers raised on fortnite and hopped up on ungodly amounts of gfuel 😭

[icy wigeon]

but yeah interesting what finals do with their system

[shy lagoon]

For sure it's a great game just not a great game for me 😅 im too casual

I actually have a suggestion for more BBR leaderboards so if you're interested in rankings go upvote it

Purely statistical though no elo or sbmm

[dusky snow]

Any link to the dev stream where they talk about competitive?

[warm sparrow]

Was a few dev casts ago, dont have a link handy

[icy wigeon]

they archive stuff in their youtube channel

you can check their

one by one

[shy lagoon]

https://youtu.be/PXKo8AtyBJM?si=rRj_DfxRClslBGwk

shameless MrWong plug cuz I like his vidyas

[dusky snow]

thanks

[icy wigeon]

eh

[glass scroll]

No SBMM is good as it provides a certain time randomness and prevents you from doing a little bit better one game then getting a bunch of nerds in the next as well as there not being enough players to fill for every skill level

And people wont get better as they practically will get the same skill type enemies every game

[icy wigeon]

its fine if its on

below 32v32

but anything above that its like no

[grim folio]

Lol this thread is gonna be toxic

I can already tell

[glass scroll]

Separate gamemode for 33v32 and under

[dusky snow]

My main intention is not to have a perfect system, but rather to avoid players getting stomped, and to raise the challenge for tryhard.

[icy wigeon]

they gonna get stomped either way

lmao

[glass scroll]

Everyone dislikes SBMM in cod why do you think it will be different

[dusky snow]

I think I remember BF had servers for beginners or for players with a minimum rank, that sort of helped

[glass scroll]

My solution is just adding a competitive gamemode only meant for smaller servers

[icy wigeon]

is this what oki showed in the devstream?

^

[shy lagoon]

Bro I'm pretty nontoxic I think but its bringing out the worst in me

[glass scroll]

Putting SBMM in casual is very dumb

[shy lagoon]

Uuuh I'm pretty sure my memory is terrible though

[shy lagoon]

Bf actually has te playerbase to populate thier servers, this has always been my point

[icy wigeon]

aight but yeah this looks fine as long as its like this tbh if its what oki is showing

[shy lagoon]

With BBR the player count vs server size makes SBMM either meaningless or it will make high elo players never find a full server

Again games even with much larger player count and smaller served have this issue

[dusky snow]

if you split the player base in two equal sized parts, it works

[silver vault]

when i was bad at the game i played frontline and got rolled by people like robocat on the regular. i think the most times i died to him specifically in a single 127v127 game was 6 times, and then i realized where he was going and quit going there and had a much better time.

[shy lagoon]

Yes and then it's meaningless because rhe middle players will still get stomped by the sweats

The biggest skill gap is between average and sweaty players, nor average and terrible players

[silver vault]

it's actually really easy to dodge the sweats on this game, because they play the same 3 servers every day

[dusky snow]

then it reduce the stomping, so it's not meaningless then

[icy wigeon]

on a bigger player server yeah

[shy lagoon]

Brother you just want to believe this will work, no amout of evidence I present will change your mind clearly

[silver vault]

i mean i stick to 64v64 nowadays, they don't come to those servers unless truly desperate to play

[icy wigeon]

fair

[dusky snow]

what evidence?

[shy lagoon]

...I'm actually about to become toxic

[sick tusk]

do the official server conquest players even have people who stomp their games?

[icy wigeon]

sometimes yeah

[silver vault]

if they do it's some guy going like 60-25

[shy lagoon]

I presented a ton of evidence from other games with more players and smaller servers and gave reasons why it won't work in BBR but clearly you've played for like 2 days and have no idea how the game is structured and furthermore I don't think you even understand how ELO or SBMM works because you can't seem to understand very simple concepts related to these things

[silver vault]

just as an example, lets say this system gets applied, someone like robocat (#1 kills player) wants to play. there's probably 10 people or less that actively play the game around his skill level. so does he just not get to play now?

or do you put him in a match with people below his level and he still goes crazy every game

[grim folio]

bbr wins are as unpredictable as uhh (something unpredictable)
Leaving ELO to that isn’t a great idea

[glass scroll]

Wow 2 splits that just means people at the top end of the split will destroy people on the bottom end and now they wont be in the middle of the pack and get stomped as much as they stomp

[acoustic wigeon]

me

[dusky snow]

I talked about ranges that include the same amount of player, read my posts again

[icy wigeon]

bruh

[shy lagoon]

Yes on 250 matches... 100+ kills is doable, 200 is possible as well and I've seen a couple 300 in video form

[silver vault]

so then you're putting people like me who are in the above average range into his games and i'm already well aware that i'm not gonna beat robocat 9 times out of 10

[glass scroll]

Either there aren’t enough people or people who stomp wont get stomped

[warm sparrow]

i almost exclusively play official servers

[glass scroll]

If you have someone who is better than 49% of the player base they get put in the lower split and completly dominate if no split then that player will also get stomped by the top 99% player

[dusky snow]

skill range can overlap so that solve the problem

[sick tusk]

who is getting 300 kill conquest games

[icy wigeon]

what

[glass scroll]

Then the average player will balance out

[shy lagoon]

I'm convinced he's trolling now

[spice iris]

?????????

[glass scroll]

So more splits?

[warm sparrow]

No one. Thats invasion/front line numbers

[silver vault]

i'm the above average player who is going to have to play like i'm in the fucking finals fighting over a 1m dollar prize so timmy no-hands doesn't have to see top 1% players 1 time per game

fuck sbmm

[shy lagoon]

Feel free to google it there are a few on Wakistan

[dusky snow]

if you have 2 ranges, and you belong to 2 range that overlap, who can join 2 types of server beacuse you belong to two ranges

[shy lagoon]

Bro is literally brainrot

[warm sparrow]

"a few" is a low enough number out of the tens of thousands of games played for me to say, no one

[shy lagoon]

A wall would have better comprehension than he does

[dusky snow]

stay polite please

[icy wigeon]

so you either stomp people or get stompped?

[glass scroll]

Ok so then the average players either stomps or gets fucked

[shy lagoon]

Brother believe me im trying

All I'll say is

L Idea
L ratio

Never happening

[glass scroll]

Go right ahead

[icy wigeon]

can you spam toothless dancing

instead of cat gifs

[shy lagoon]

Please

Damn he's cool like that

He really be doin it

[icy wigeon]

LMFAO

[shy lagoon]

Ayo what that first one is 🤨

[dusky snow]

haha

[glass scroll]

Nutin

[dusky snow]

thanks for the replies everyone

[grim folio]

Tf

This ain’t shitpost thread

[shy lagoon]

Idk why but seeing this makes me slightly uncomfortable 🤨

[glass scroll]

OP is trolling it is now

[dusky snow]

how am I trolling when you guys are spamming cat gifs? like really?

[glass scroll]

Posting SBMM thread might as well suggest inertia

[shy lagoon]

I started to think that but bro literally made an illustration so either he's the most committed troll ever or he's srs

[dusky snow]

what do you mean inertia?

yeah I am serious

[shy lagoon]

💀

I am decreased

Since I refuse for my first warning to be on a suggestion thread and not offtopic I'm outta here 💀💀💀🙉🙉🙉

[copper pine]

no, it fucking shouldn't. Elo is a real quick way to make the game not fun.

[grim folio]

catposting

[wide kelp]

Don't let the mods see

[lost nimbus]

Keep on topic from here. You have been warned.

[shy lagoon]

Tbf it's hard to stay on topic when OP refuses to listen/understand what anyone else is saying and just keeps repeating the same thing over and over 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sacred fable]

awful, truly horrendous "suggestion"

[topaz zealot]

SBMM/ELO is the last thing this game needs lmao

[rough stratus]

if theres no elo how the FUCK will i flex my epeen?? take my upvote op 🫡

[toxic thunder]

W post

[pearl moss]

Game isn’t populated enough to have sbmm + no thanks I don’t wanna sit in 30 min serious player queues, let me use my pp19 in peace

[pearl moss]

Also important to note decimal has (to my knowledge) active comp servers up to fill the void of bbr comp, with an already functioning elo system

[dusky snow]

lol I did not talk about SBMM but yeah keep the bandwagon rolling that thread is so hilarious

[grim folio]

fuck do you think elo is then

[dusky snow]

wikipedia I guess 🙂 also an ELO system can be adapted as you like, ELO doesn't require SBMM.

also swear word, chill

[icy wigeon]

again we are telling you still doesnt solve the problem of stomping

kek

[shy lagoon]

Like I said he won't listen because just wants to believe what he wants even though he knows nothing about the game

[pearl moss]

The system you are suggesting literally is by definition sbmm.

Players being matched by skill/elo ranking based on how well they did in said match, and if their team wins or loses… that is a matchmaking system based on “player skill”.

You can claim it’s not that all you want, but it doesn’t make your statement true.

[pearl moss]

Literally at least 25% of suggestions tbh. Maybe I’m being generous with that number because I’ve seen suggestions I’ve thought were good for the game though.

But if the reply to a suggestion critique is “lol ur just hating” or “I’m getting bandwagoned by discord” chances are your suggestion isn’t one that’s healthy or good for the game.

[spice iris]

@pearl moss i think he is baiting

[pearl moss]

Possible tbh. Could just bump other suggestions and let this one fall into obscurity. I don’t think more needs to be said here in regards to this topic, let’s get some other suggestions back up to the top of this area

[gleaming bluff]

As said above battlebit is a game where u log in and play for fun. Not to sweat. If u really wanna sweat and have fun go play other competitive games on the market. Keep the sbmm/elo systems out from this game

[icy wigeon]

fun is subjective people sweat for fun

ive seen people sweat for fun

[dusky snow]

SBMM uses an algorithm to assemble 2 teams and make them join a server, for match with a beginning and an end, that's not what I suggest.

What I am suggesting, is players to earn/lose ELO on ELO-enabled servers.

Then, players can only join servers of a certain ELO range, for example if there are 3 range, top 33%, lower 33% and middle 33%.

Although this server range system would also work with XP instead of ELO, so it does not necessarily require a ELO score.

Also, this range system would be optional, so servers could enable it if they want or not.

Regarding stomping, it doesn't "solve" stomping, but it greatly mitigates it, since it would reduce the skill gap between players. Players with a lot of skill would not play against players with the lowest skill, so the game would be more fair.

Hope this clarifies my explanations. If you disagree, it's not a problem.

I got a super check mark for the thread, that's awesome! thanks!

[icy wigeon]

also game doesnt have enough sweats for elo to work

this would also only work at lower player count modes

[icy wigeon]

if they use exp instead of elo you do know a lot of people are not actually prestiging.

[icy wigeon]

then "players with a lot of skill would not play againts players with lowest skill" isnt that literally sbmm?

[icy wigeon]

also how will they like gain and lose elo? like after a match you gain/lose elo then play the same people again on the next round?

[dusky snow]

it's calculated at the end of a round. periodically, like every week or every day, server ranges are updated based on ELO distribution, so that each range has the same amount of players, like I explained. if you join a game that has already started, it's taken into consideration with a scale. The ELO range check is done when a player tries to connect, and they're also applied when you search for a game.

[icy wigeon]

so yeah then after a round you play with the same people again?

since your on the same server

like does it kick people out or just continue with the same people over again

[dusky snow]

Yes, the ELO adjustment is minimal, so it's not a problem. If your new ELO is out of range, you're simply kicked out of the server, that would concern a small fraction of players. But it would not be necessary, since players don't play 24hr and don't gain enough ELO to go out of range.

[icy wigeon]

i dont care about range im talking about like the after a round

like you know how battlebit works

like if you end a match of

invasion

[dusky snow]

A maximum of 10 ELO ranges would be largely more than enough. I guess 5 would be good. Depending on the active players in the week, There would be more or less ranges, minimum 2, max 10.

[icy wigeon]

after choosing a mode and like map

your like still in the same server with those people?

[dusky snow]

If you did not leave the server, you stay, yes, since you're already connected

[icy wigeon]

so

like

you if you got stomped

[dusky snow]

but you could also enable an auto kick when the game starts

[icy wigeon]

and rng

decides the people who stompped you are still your enemies

so you just accept to get stompped again?

[dusky snow]

If you get stomped, your ELO would decrease, then you would leave the server and find another with the proper range. Or decide to get stomped again, if you want and if there is no auto kick.

[icy wigeon]

you see thats weird cuz like what game uses this kind of system

lmao

[dusky snow]

any game with an ELO system will decrease your ELO if you lose or if your score is bad

[icy wigeon]

no

i dont mean tghat

i mean what game like has a 24/7 server that has elo range

lmao

like

bruh

[dusky snow]

ELO was invented for chess, but people are free to implement their ELO system as they want, it's just some formula and algorithm developers write

ELO range would be updated every 24h or 72h

[icy wigeon]

im asking you what game uses this kind of system you proposed

not the elo

part

like

[dusky snow]

who cares what game uses this?

[icy wigeon]

it does

like

[dusky snow]

like

[icy wigeon]

what game uses a 24/7 server that has elo restriction

[dusky snow]

you already asked that question

[icy wigeon]

yeah

you didnt answer

[dusky snow]

why does that matter?

[icy wigeon]

its gonna make elo useless

[dusky snow]

I need to go, good night

[sick tusk]

so what's the difference between that and SBMM

[icy wigeon]

you dont get in a queue and get matched

theres like

a server that has a specific elo range

running 24/7

you can only enter that server with a specific elo

thats what basically he is proposing

[sick tusk]

[icy wigeon]

so basically you can keep fighting the same people over and over again

[sick tusk]

i'm sure restricting servers will totally help with the current population

[icy wigeon]

i mean it will work on a lower player count mode

but like if you have like 254 there will be not enough high elo players

and if its like lets say 16v16 the game has to keep creating 24/7 servers depending on the elo percentage range he saying lol

[edgy gazelle]

there is not a single FPS that benefits from SBMM or engagement based metrics, this is a sure fire way to completely kill the game. You're basically eliminating the server browser and forcing everyone into hitting quick play which is hilarious and the exact opposite of what needs to happen to the gaming industry.

[icy wigeon]

oh his idea isnt "sbmm" according to him since you dont get to queu up #1195438635760238722 message

[edgy gazelle]

oh man imagine seeing a 254 server on salhan but i'm not able to join it because my elo is too high . Thus my only option is to suffer through Outskirts/Multi/Kodiak/Lonovo Night.

[silver vault]

i don't understand peoples obsession with ranked modes. it's the last step of every fps (and by that i mean, people pick up a game casually and never even make it to playing ranked, do you have any idea how many people open a game and don't even get the achievement for doing the literal first thing in a game? like finishing the tutorial?) not a single sbmm/elo system has ever been detailed enough to result in actually equal matches. example, call of duty. the metrics they use largely are the same stats any of us dipshits can look at on our own profiles, kd/spm etc etc. do you realize that 2 people can have similar kd/spm while playing completely opposite playstyles? to further expand on that question, i am always a run and gun player (because i get bored holding angles). i can have the same kd/spm as billy bitch-ass who sits in a corner with a shotgun staring at a door all game spamming streaks. do you think we're equal skill wise? cause i don't think we're equal. i don't have fun playing hide and seek with billy. so where is the benefit in this system?

[knotty tusk]

Plus, the fact that it’s 127 players… where the skill rating of individual players is about as meaningful as the shit I take each morning

[stark crescent]

sbmm in a battefield-like game