Let players vote for the gameode they want at the end of the round instead of preventing the last gamemode played to be voted again.
#Stop the forced alternating gamemodes
crude dome
pine hill
leave this to community servers i want my variety
wind badger
I had 3 conquest games in a row today wdym…
pine hill
I had 3 conquest games in a row today wdym…
were you playing on an official server
pine hill
ones named like 176-wh-00 or whatever
wind badger
I actively refuse to play on Community servers lol
pine hill
Actually what even is the difference between domination and conquest
dom - smaller maps no vehicles
conq - (most) maps yes vehicles
wind badger
Ok that’s the difference then
pine hill
all official servers can't play the same gamemode multiple times in a row
wind badger
Aka none tbh because it’s still just cap 5 points
It’s “technically not the same but also still kinda the same”
pine hill
not really...
wind badger
Anyway, the argument goes both ways
crude dome
I had 3 conquest games in a row today wdym…
You were playing on a 24/7 conquest server
wind badger
You don’t want to play something you don’t
I don’t want to play Conq for the 7th fucking time
So who’s in the right? The answer is both.
crude dome
What a moron
pine hill
So who’s in the right? The answer is both.
its an opinion its not factual in any way
wind badger
Ok ad hominem for no reason but pop off king
wind badger
its an opinion its not factual in any way
Could you say that either one is “wrong”?
pine hill
Could you say that either one is “wrong”?
could you say that either one is "right"?
wind badger
Yeah because I can see people just wanting to stick to their preferred game mode
Sure I used “right and wrong@
pine hill
hence 24/7 x gamemode severs
wind badger
Man i cant f King Type
Let’s change that to valid and invalid
Both opinions are valid
So yeah, community servers, that way it’s just a nice clean cut
Variety is fun
Though no one votes for CTF…
pine hill
unpolished and maps arent suited for it
pine hill
if vil made like 3 well-designed maps for ctf i bet it would be way more fun
wind badger
hot take but I believe CTF maps need to be perfectly mirrored
Though that’s a thing for #1132790485975576667
scenic knot
32v32 is basicaly bomb defusal 24/7
dreamy marten
I would just play a 24/7 community server then, the variety on normal servers is good, half the time you get a conq/inf conq rotation anyway.
crude dome
I would just play a 24/7 community server then, the variety on normal servers is...
That's because the want to play conquest and Infantry conquest is the lesser mutually unenjoyable evil
dreamy marten
That's because the want to play conquest and Infantry conquest is the lesser mut...
I mean... can't argue with that but at least with conq out the other modes have more of a chance to be voted for in my experience
solid igloo
Oh no
Here we go again
Oh wait
This one is actually a good suggestion
Guys please, this one is actually good 😭
It's annoying to not be able to vote for the same mode twice in a row - I think it would be better as a %chance to not reappear at least - or happen after playing the same mode twice
tacit lynx
at that point just play a 24/7 server
solid igloo
It's a double edged sword
On one hand, can't play conquest 24/7
On another hand, can't play ctf twice in a row
That's why I think a compromise could be had here
Just make it so a game mode can't be voted again on official servers after it's been voted on like 2-3 times. Make it a field for servers even that can be adjusted.
Sometimes I do wanna play a gamemode twice in a row. Other times I'd rather not. But I think I'd always be fine with playing a game mode TWICE in a row
I don't like agreeing with slaz, but I this is something I & @bleak wasp immediately called out oki for when the map voting changes were first made as a "wack" decision
tacit lynx
maybe allow it to be played again, but then not a 3rd time?
tacit lynx
or
ctf is a 2 round thing
flip map
things like that for the more spawnside gamemodes
solid igloo
Hell you could make it a % chance not to show up each time.
I wouldn't want ctf to be 2 rounds unless it was 1 flag ctf tbh. Plus this doesn't only apply to ctf is my point
wind badger
the thing with CTF is it can be over REAL quick if one of the teams is just actually asleep
I've won a CTF in 10 minutes before
amber gazelle
I don't understand why we even need forced alternating game modes when infantry conquest exists. It doesn't stop the conquest people from spamming conquest
ripe gate
the thing with CTF is it can be over REAL quick if one of the teams is just actu...
Same with elim
If the enemy team doesn’t bother to cap points it’s over in 5 min
ripe gate
Guys please, this one is actually good 😭
I mean I wouldn’t be against it but as blank said community servers fill the gap already so having it on official doesn’t really make sense in hindsight imo.
solid igloo
I would prefer having it be this way in official
Just because a community server does it, doesn't mean official shouldn't
bleak wasp
That's why I think a compromise could be had here
The compromise is to do the change that oki announced then deleted
To give game modes like frontline and rush the ability to be voted on without restriction, and restrict the other modes
crude dome
Bump! Stop the forced alternating gamemodes. This is an abusive system ingame that does not at all favor the democratic end game gamemode voting. Both community and offical servers suffer from this mechanic you have forced upon us.
latent finch
when servers had majority win votes by default, it was always waki and conquest on official servers. community servers can and do change these options, but you lose in both the alternating and majority win postround vote systems
crude dome
In Asian servers, there will vote Conquest 100% of the time and Random all the others since you can't vote for Conquest twice in a row. More proof that even worldwide people hate the forced alternating gamemodes that is forced upon us because of the whims of the lead developer.
pine hill
you dont speak for them
unless every one of them detailed that they are voting like that
crude dome
you dont speak for them
I do actually, because it is as I have described
pine hill
he is delusional
bleak wasp
"Actually I'm right and you're wrong"
crude dome
he is delusional
Consider taking initative and joining the SFW asian servers to see the reality.
solid igloo
Slaz is literally the most delusional person on the server
But you know
He gets things done, so can't complain I guess
Slaz has somehow only been taking W's lmao, so clearly the issue is we're not as delusional
But also I do agree with this post, despite its poor wording in some ways 😂
amber gazelle
don't you already get 24/7 conquest even with forced alternate gamemode
pine hill
you occasionally get frontline, invasion, dom but yeah its mostly conq/infconq
solid igloo
Since 4 of the modes are just shitty conquest, ya
I would rather play actual conquest 24/7 lmao
Instead of "bad rush", "small conquest", "smaller conquest", and "conquest with a moving wall"
I don't get the other modes if there are any lmao. Ctf? I would love to play CTF more than once in a row
amber gazelle
ive played conquest new basra and dusty dew nothing can be worse than that
solid igloo
Bad rush has vehicles at least
pine hill
ive played conquest new basra and dusty dew nothing can be worse than that
dusty is fine. a little sniper plagued but its a better rework than old dusty
crude dome
don't you already get 24/7 conquest even with forced alternate gamemode
No since there is no 24/7 conquest in regions other than America.
amber gazelle
is infantry conquest really that bad for you?
crude dome
is infantry conquest really that bad for you?
Basra infantry Conquest is lovely because it has the Blackhawk/Ka60 but everything else is gimped, it's not the full experience with the whole map and vehicles
So it's pretty bad
solid igloo
crude dome
Oceania back on it's deathbed. The removal of the forced alternating gamemodes imposed upon us without our consent will prolong the life if not completely revive the game in Oceania, back to how it was before the trecherous community servers completely fucked our region.
crude dome
Time to revive this thread seeing as we've been blessed with a new server and active players.
Remove the forced alternating gamemodes at the end of the round so that we may play what is democratically, majority voted for the most.
This is how it was on release. There was no forced alternating gamemode. This was the game that I initially brought and loved. This completely arbitrary changed forcefully imposed on us has majorly fucked up the game, playercounts, community, servers, and regions all in the name of some ungodly crusade for "variety" - it is not your job to dictate what we play. This is up to the players via the voting screen.
Infantry Conquest is a half baked gamemode with no vehicles (tank, Helicopter, APC) yet you will
see that every second gamemode apart from Conquest is Infantry Conquest because it is the lesser evil.
This is why you see the cycle of Conq > Inf Conq > Conq > Inf Conq in any server that runs mixed gamemodes IE every 127v127 Official server.
With this current system only about 1/4 of the games actually feature 254p combined arms warfare with the Blackhawk helicopter and the tanks which is what Battlebit is all about. This is quite litterally how it is advertised on steam.
bleak wasp
If you care about democracy so much how about you unblock me so I can vote on this thread?
latent finch
Time to revive this thread seeing as we've been blessed with a new server and ac...
(i'm blocked too, so you won't read this)
with no forced alternating gamemodes it would just be conq-> conq-> conq
i dont think you actually played on game release
solid igloo
Time to revive this thread seeing as we've been blessed with a new server and ac...
it kind of sounds like you want to literally only play conquest
and that's cool and all, but the public servers don't exist in a bubble
When I join a server I know I'm going to be in a rotation of conquest -> inf conquest/domination -> conquest -> inf conquest/domination -> conquest
They need to open some 24/7 official conquest servers so people like you can just go there and play your one mode man
I like conquest, it's the only mode that feels mostly finished/has attention payed to it. The other modes need some love, but are fun in their own right. The biggest issue with the game atm is that most of the modes are just "conquest with a different flavor & no vehicles", while modes like RUSH that should have vehicles get left in the wayside.
Frontline is a neat variation, while invasion is like a poopy version of frontline combined with rush.
The current game mode lineup needs a refresh, vehicles need to be added to more modes, and some 24/7 servers for conquest need to be opened so people who like variety can actually get some on the variety servers
Mario kart voting at least made the variety servers have actual variety it felt like 😔
bleak wasp
When I join a server I know I'm going to be in a rotation of conquest -> inf con...
Honestly I feel like conq on a loop would be better than conq / inf conq looping. At least with the former vehicle players get some consistency in their servers.
Like the portion of official players who would actually prefer inf conq over conq is probably really small
solid igloo
Honestly I feel like conq on a loop would be better than conq / inf conq looping...
Agree tbh
Inf conq is kind of just worse conquest and domination
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1241480391437717524 Made a thread with an actual fix/suggestion that works for everyone instead of making things worse for some people
solid igloo
Also how come my "update this sunday" thread gets locked but Slaz can bump this thread every week 😭?
crude dome
it kind of sounds like you want to literally only play conquest
That would be nice. But really only conquest for the majority, then some Capture the Flag and Invasion mixed in.
Capture the Flag is one of the best gamemodes with the most teamwork.
ripe gate
Also how come my "update this sunday" thread gets locked but Slaz can bump this ...
One of slaz’s other threads was locked too. If you think they’re bump spamming just notify a mod
crude dome
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1241480391437717524 Made a threa...
Would literally kill the game. Last time Oki messed with the voting the game lost 10,000 players. Perhaps even 20,000.** This is 1000x worse.**
solid igloo
Would literally kill the game. Last time Oki messed with the voting the game los...
it absolutely wouldn't ruin the game tbh
crude dome
it absolutely wouldn't ruin the game tbh
It would undoubtly. Are you really so stupid that you think a change like this would sustain playercounts if people can't even get a game of Conquest going? You would be subject to a completely random selection of 3 combinations presented before you.
Remove the forced alternating gamemodes and the game will regain players.
solid igloo
It's not completely random. You could play conquest like 5 times in a row just fine, it would just probably not appear after the 5th time
currently we get conquest -> inf conquest -> conquest, making it so we can pick conquest all the time would just mean every server would be conquest 24/7 tbh
crude dome
It's not completely random. You could play conquest like 5 times in a row just f...
On official servers that have mixed gamemodes there are about 6 I think. The chance for Conquest NOT appearing is significant. Completelty random.
tacit lynx
thats not what random is you moron.
solid igloo
On official servers that have mixed gamemodes there are about 6 I think. The cha...
That's literally not what complete random is
But either or, conquest not appearing sometimes would be a good thing
Ideally, the weighting would be able to be adjusted on a per server basis so oki could make it so conquest appears 90% of the time or 100% of the time if he wants
crude dome
But either or, conquest not appearing sometimes would be a good thing
It would not. Conquest not appearing will kill the game just like last year when the map voting was messed with. Along with 10,000+ players my friendslist on steam full of battlebit players I had met completely abandoned the game since we couldn't even get a game going.
solid igloo
I think you're conflating issues
The voting thing did not kill the game, the playerbase was actually fine for a long. It naturally dropped off. The types of updates we were getting weren't very exciting and so weren't keeping players.
If we go by your argument, after changing the voting back the game died EVEN MORE, so therefore majority voting killed the game
Getting a game going can have some stuff to do with the voting system, but it has more to do with the fact you didn't have an OCE server for a long while I'd think
Now, maybe for you and your friends it did, that's perfectly reasonable
but it didn't kill the entire game
crude dome
The voting thing did not kill the game, the playerbase was actually fine for a l...
Nope. I talked to those steam friends and they left the game. Same reason, the random mapvoting.
At first all the players who didn't vote were auto set to random = random bs map 100% of the time
Then later there was the random roulette map voting = random maps
Then sometime shortly whenever the roulette lands on "Random" it would give you a nightmap 100% of the time (holy fuck).
Then this system was half reverted with forced alternating gamemodes and my local server painfully went mixed gamemodes further condemning the game in Oceania to the point Brazil of all places surpasses us in population by 3x.
Every single change Oki has done to the voting has bleed players like an exposed artery. The suggestion your making is pure insanity.
tacit lynx
he reacted to himself
solid igloo
Nope. I talked to those steam friends and they left the game. Same reason, the r...
He reacted to himself 💀 .
I have no idea what you're yapping about in the last bit tbh. You're the only person I've seen on this server complain about it the way you do. The voting system was defo fucked up a couple times, which we complained about. That's more an execution/implementation issue than the system itself being without any merit.
Once the roulette/mario kart system was actually implemented correctly it was great imo. I liked it a lot personally, but some didn't, so OKI hard reverted to majority voting and didn't tweak it in the ways we suggested before
So we're stuck with the current system where it's not really functioning in a way that's good
crude dome
He reacted to himself 💀 .
I have no idea what you're yapping about in the last...
Once the roulette/mario kart system was actually implemented correctly it was great imo. I liked it a lot personally, but some didn't and OKI hard reverted to majority voting and didn't tweak it in the ways we suggested before
The weighted map voting only worked for a single day then the hotfix broke it and it was completely random.
solid igloo
it was NOT completely random bro
He literally made it so choices with above like 40% of the votes got double the chances
yea sometimes 6% would win, but that's kind of just how it works
Your lack of understanding of the system does not make it completely random
but I digress, my system isn't even weighted voting
crude dome
So we're stuck with the current system where it's not really functioning in a wa...
The current system is a remmnant from the vile changes Oki made. The removal of forced alternating gamemodes is how the game was on on early access release when I brought it and it had 80,000 players
tacit lynx
"Vile Changes"
crude dome
He literally made it so choices with above like 40% of the votes got double the ...
As I said, this only worked for a single day before the hotfix. You can go into any server running roullete and will see that votes with percentages over 40% do not have an extra chance to win.
tacit lynx
Oki is a Saturday morning villian now?
solid igloo
The current system is a remmnant from the vile changes Oki made. The removal of ...
Yea it blew up, but every server being conquest was an issue then too. I personally do agree we should be able to select the same game mode multiple times. @bleak wasp and I (I believe) both were like "why tf did he do that for game modes and not maps" when it first happened.
solid igloo
As I said, this only worked for a single day before the hotfix. You can go into ...
??? I don't think it shows the % chance exactly right?
tacit lynx
it doesn't. He's talking out his ass again
solid igloo
My guy literally doesn't understand that things can happen outside of his perspective.
Look, I'll say this again. The purpose of my voting system changes is to 1: speed things up, 2: allow for variety while respecting player choice, and 3: make voting more fun overall. I often times DON'T vote because it takes forever. Currently only like 40-60 people vote in 200+ person servers? It takes forever, so I alt tab, it needs to be a bit faster
Why did I vote for maps in halo reach? It was quick and easy. Hit one button and you're done (assuming no refresh)
crude dome
??? I don't think it shows the % chance exactly right?
If it goes to 40%, that's what it is. 40%
40% with a 60% chance to lose to all the other maps. There is no "double the chances" for surpassing 40% votes.
Thank God the new server in Oceania doesn't have this insane system of complete randomness with an extra chance of it landing on "Random"
solid igloo
If it goes to 40%, that's what it is. 40%
40% with a 60% chance to lose to all t...
That's not how that-
I'm not explaining this to you further
tacit lynx
yeah he's an idiot
solid igloo
IF it goes to 40%, that's just saying that 40% of the people voted for it. It's not the increased odds man.
It's not showing you the literal odds
crude dome
I'm not explaining this to you further
Your explaining a system that you don't even understand. Surreal how people don't understand that there is no bonus to win for surpassing 40%. That only worked for a single day.
solid igloo
BRO, you're saying it only worked for a single day based on what you THINK you see playing on one server at whatever times you play at
You don't actually have concrete numerical proof that it doesn't work, because you never did
All you say is "go on server and see" and when it picks something you/the majority didn't want you go "LOOK SEE, IT'S BUGGED AND DOESN'T WORK"
crude dome
You don't actually have concrete numerical proof that it doesn't work, because y...
Weighted map voting doesn't work. Roullete voting is functionally random.
solid igloo
You've always said that every time.
Saying it more than once doesn't make it any more true
crude dome
Yeah, cause it is. Go ingame and see it for yourself
solid igloo
Slaz, you're an expert troll unironically
I'm being got
This is old school shit, I'm stepping away lol
tacit lynx
this guy has no idea the percents he sees is the percentage of players voting for a map and has nothign to do with the actual chances for the map
slaz as usual showing his lack of intelligence and education.
crude dome
Goodbye. Take you heinous suggestion with you. Holy fuck. Pregenerated gamemode and maps? Goodness me. Why even have voting at all.
solid igloo
this guy has no idea the percents he sees is the percentage of players voting fo...
Slaz is just trying to get a rise out of people at this point man, I refuse to believe he's not a troll
He literally said "goodness me" 😭
Good bit as always slaz, you impress me and infuriate me expertly
tacit lynx
He is a griefer, but otherwise I am sure he actually believes the shit that comes out of his mouth
crude dome
I have one final parting gift, hold still lad
solid igloo
Hit me with it, sure
crude dome
solid igloo
tacit lynx
yep typical Slaz "My Ideas will save the game! despite nobody agreeing with me"
at this point you think we can just report him for trolling and rage baiting in threads?
crude dome
yep typical Slaz "My Ideas will save the game! despite nobody agreeing with me"
Saved Oceania with help from the community manager and others. I welcome you to check the server browser right now. 5pm nzt and we actually have an active server and can play the game 👍
My 1 and only reply to you before I collapse the blocked messages ❤️
tacit lynx
see he's the "Hero"
solid igloo
Also didn't you just get that server?
tacit lynx
so just a troll and rage bait. leaves so he cant be banned and crawls his way back once he thinks things have cooled off
solid igloo
@ripe gate I request Slaz be marked as a "troll" so I can remember not to take anything he says seriously
Like unironically. I feel like I've been got and I'm so upset 😭 (not that upset lol)
tacit lynx
do keep in mind he just came back 6 days ago
its less you been got and more he's a stubborn idiot
solid igloo
Nah man, thinking back on it, it's all so clear now
tacit lynx
it always feels like you lose when you argue with an idiot
solid igloo
This shit is too targeted
The words chosen too perfect to cause pain in the reader
Slaz might be an expert at what he does
tacit lynx
he has had alot of practice being a piece of shit.
solid igloo
Little extreme, but sure sure
tacit lynx
eh, he does this to everyone, griefed for months, and still tries to play the victim.
I gave him the benfit of the doubt before but that's long past
ripe gate
<@215923917796147201> I request Slaz be marked as a "troll" so I can remember no...
Bring it up with modmail 
Im not a purple role I can’t do anything about the bump stuff etc
solid igloo
Ah my b, thought it was purple with my screen filter
bold dock
Time to revive this thread seeing as we've been blessed with a new server and ac...
That's what community servers are for.... oh wait 
crude dome
That's what community servers are for.... oh wait <:Clueless:1005416660628418630...
Yup. Except they proved how utterly treacherous they are through there complete and utter contempt for Battlebit. ABG never went back to Conquest only and BBOCE is now dead after bleeding thousands of players from the game because quickjoin will now never fill it (no one wants to play 128 lol). Death to community servers.
latent finch
@spring hull you hear that? down with bbc!!!
crude dome
Server gains players under Conquest ✅
Server loses players under Infantry Conquest ❌
When the game first came out I was able to play ever map in the game with the boyz over the course of a night. Basra, Isles, Sandysunset, Frugis, Valley, Eduardovo. Wakistan (alt+f4), Tensatown, River.
That was my variety, getting to play every map.
With this system of forced alternating gamemodes I am constantly switching servers every time the match has ended because I don't want to play some lame ass gamemode with no Tanks and Helicopters. This is how the game is supposed to be - 254 vehicle combat, combined arms warfare.
Remove this nonsensical system you forced upon everyone and the playerbase and enjoyment of the game will be much better.
ripe gate
@regal echo excessive bumps by op
but maybe we can get oki to remove forced repeats specifically for the perma OCE server. Not sure if that would have any negative effects in terms of variety tho
marsh tulip
Server gains players under Conquest ✅
Server loses players under Infantry Conqu...
Yes let us play the same map and game mode for 10 rounds in a row, how fun!
crude dome
*but maybe we can get oki to remove forced repeats specifically for the perma OC...
You can still vote for any gamemode you want. Personally Capture the Flag is one of the best gamemodes and easy to get if you just do a callout in chat
No one loses out from the removal of forced alternating, all the gamemodes are still there.
tacit lynx
we had that, it sucked.
marsh tulip
we had that, it sucked.
Invasion 24/7
crude dome
because it had "NEW" on it
Correct. There was an extra option in the end of game matchmaking that had Invasion with "New" above it. This meant you could vote for Invasion (normal) then Invasion (new) and play it over and over again despite the forced alternating gamemodes being in place for all the other gamemodes.
lavish warren
almost 6 months later its still a horrible idea 
crude dome
almost 6 months later its still a horrible idea <:YEP:994984690811424768>
7 months late and the playercount is closing in on triple digits. Understand that schizophrenic infantry only fast respawn gameplay with 0 teamwork does not sustain players, conquest does.
bold dock
next sparrow
7 months late and the playercount is closing in on triple digits. Understand tha...
Surely thats the reason game is losing players
crude dome
Surely thats the reason game is losing players
Yup. Map voting last year was undoubtly the biggest killer of players. I lost so many steamfriends. This current system is a remmnant from that change and still to this day continues to bleed players, morso than any other shortcoming of the game.
next sparrow
Yup. Map voting last year was undoubtly the biggest killer of players. I lost so...
Womp womp
crude dome
Damn never should of clicked show message. Lacking substance, lacking even an opinion. Hylic moment.
next sparrow
Imagine blocking someone over different opinions
crude dome
You don't even have an opinion, that's the point.
wraith nimbus
marsh tulip
Yup. Map voting last year was undoubtly the biggest killer of players. I lost so...
Yep. Map votings the issue. Yep.
next sparrow
The playercounts were sitting at like 10k until oki put out the sound rework
Thats when the playerbase began bleeding
Not to mention that if this really was an issue surely more people would complain about it
solid igloo
Thats when the playerbase began bleeding
Not to mention that if this really was ...
if you argue with slaz about this you'll die of old age
I love skewing data to fit my perceived narrative of something as well, but slaz is too good at it
lavish warren
if you argue with slaz about this you'll die of old age
Its like that old analogy of playing chess against a Pidgeon. At somepoint it will shit on the table and try and eat the pieces 
next sparrow
if you argue with slaz about this you'll die of old age
Not gonna argue bout this anymore
Just wanted to point that out
I'll let him stay delusional
marsh tulip
if you argue with slaz about this you'll die of old age
no Slaz is always correct, he's never wrong
It's clearly alternating gamemodes thats the issue.
Remove it and playercount will be at 500k!
crude dome
Remove it and playercount will be at 500k!
That would be quite an achievement, but no. The goal for me is 200 players in the Oceania server. Lastnight we got to 160 which is almost triple what it was under community servers run by A*stralians mongrels (since defeated).
No forced alternating gamemode > no dropoff of 20-40 players every round for some lameass gamemode > server can sustain players under majority Conquest > server can then gain players working towards a noble peak of 200 without so much a steamsale/update. It's allready been growing for the last 3 weeks since Conquest was reintroduced into this region via the Official server.
marsh tulip
Another Slazenger take.
crude dome
Another Slazenger take.
Another collapsed message from a Hylic. Perhaps contribute the the thread with an opinion on the matter, spark a discussion.
marsh tulip
Someone please help. I can feel the gravitational pull from here.
obsidian elbow
Just remove inf conq
tacit lynx
standard slaz response. racist and scum rolled into one greifing package, still thinks he's gods gift to battlebit.
marsh tulip
standard slaz response. racist and scum rolled into one greifing package, still ...
My experience overrides your lame walls of text.
solid igloo
You know, people will also get bored of conquest 24/7, and modes YOU think are great other might not think so
servers naturally cycling people is healthy lol
Like yea, I might drop off if I'm not feelin' 3 shades of conquest, or frontline. I'll come back later when it is something I wanna play - especially if it's the ONLY server
marsh tulip
You know, people will also get bored of conquest 24/7, and modes YOU think are g...
No. The same thing every game is exciting! It's why player counts have increased ever since the last update 5 decades ago!
solid igloo
true true
marsh tulip
Let us have sandy sunset conquest 24/7!
solid igloo
Must be why people leave even when conquest is selected too right
Like yea, some days I wanna play conquest 24/7. I join a conquest 24/7 server for that. Sometimes I wanna only play frontline so I join a frontline server, other times I wanna start with frontline but are up for whatever
If your region only has one offering, I'd think you'd want it to be a variety server since there aren't many options available
I'ma plug my post again because I think it's a reasonable solution to implement for official servers https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1241480391437717524, run your customs however you want
marsh tulip
Let's see what the next Slazenger message is
Will it be
A. You're wrong, I'm right.
B. Ignores statement entirely.
C. Contribute to the discussion.
D. Rambles about his experience.
solid igloo
And if you REALLY have issues with the official server Slaz, maybe you could petition to open up a custom one or something instead of terrorizing everyone else with your opinions
You seem to be decent enough at getting things moving, so you could probs do it
then if your server becomes THE OCE server you can be proud
I personally agree that it sucks that gamemodes can't be chosen twice in a row, but I also don't want a situation where the game mode is CONSTANTLY chosen (hence my solution of lowering the chances of a mode appearing). Maybe in a smaller community voting variation is easier to get, but in US servers and such with players cycling in and out constantly people would vote for conquest because they wanna get a full match in or two, by the time someone gets sick of conquest they'll just leave because it's the only one being voted. Maybe by the time the game is fucking buried in the ground there will be enough desperation in the playerbase to play other game modes naturally like on OCE.
Elimination is a great example of a mode that's pretty cool, but no one ever picks it. CTF is also a good example of a mode that's fantastic but rarely naturally comes up. With less players it's easier to pick these niche modes because there are less server options so more people are willing to go along with it and put up with modes they might not be a fan of
The best solution nowadays is just to let people pick what they want to play pre-queue and match up with others that want the same game mode. Maybe servers could be started based on what modes you want to queue for in quickplay so you meet other people who wanna play the same thing first. I don't use quickplay anymore, but I could see that being useful
tldr: maybe the solution is just to start up official servers based on what modes people pick pre-queue. Then who cares about voting
crude dome
You know, people will also get bored of conquest 24/7, and modes YOU think are g...
Naturally. It's a good thing that this system does not take away those gamemodes and people can always do a callout in chat for Lonovo night or capture the flag, all of the gamemodes are still there. It will just not forcefully alternate casuing others to forcefully altf4.
crude dome
then if your server becomes THE OCE server you can be proud
I thought about it and months ago I would have. But now, I decided I am not going to pay for something I was litterally playing when I brought the game initially on steam. Like wtf why pay 200$ a month just to skirt around Oki's extreamly poor practices.
solid igloo
That's my point slaz, callouts are only kind of effective - and are only so in a DYING game.
or smaller servers
crude dome
My brother in Christ, I am going to share a secret.
You can let go of your honor and risk a ban by spamming the chat and it will work 90% of the time. It sucks but it ligitamately works for the lesser apreciated gamemodes like capture the flag. Just type up the post in chat. Shift+home key > Ctrl C > Ctrl V
solid igloo
Yea, because on OCE the same people are in the server for long periods of time because there's not many options
marsh tulip
My brother in Christ, I am going to share a secret.
That doesn't work 90% of the time.
crude dome
You might cop a ban once a month or something but to be able to play the game it's worth it
solid igloo
In the more popular servers what ends up happening is people just joined or joined late so they wanna roll 3 shades of conquest AGAIN so they can play a full match
sometimes you can get frontline, but I haven't seen a CTF game get going in forever, even with callouts
marsh tulip
people are too dumb to read chat and too dumb to learn anything other than the same gamemode they play for months straight
solid igloo
I ain't saying that, but I don't even read chat 90% of the time. A lot of times I just alt-tab. Chat is kind of a cesspool
I know a lot of people just outright turn it off too
crude dome
sometimes you can get frontline, but I haven't seen a CTF game get going in fore...
Could be so, but even I would want to tap out of conquest after 3 games. That's a whole hour of gameplay. Players are not as adverse to the other gamemodes as you think. Perhaps there could be even more variaty with no forced alternating gamemodes since chat callouts will have more impact against Conquest being played the majority of the time.
solid igloo
Yea, they tap out
of the server
They just go search the mode on the browser in the US because we have options
I don't bother voting when I want a specific game mode and are sick of conquest on official servers
on customs I'll stick around usually, but we're talking official servers
Players cycle as the population increases, that's the point I'm trying to get across. So in larger regions it leads to a feedback loop of 3 shades of conquest. If every game mode and every map were available to vote on at all times we'd probably get the same 3 maps, conquest, and maybe frontline
this screenshot alone shows exactly what I'm complaining about
crude dome
That's my point slaz, callouts are only kind of effective - and are only so in a...
If I go into a NA server and get a CTF going first pop or close to top vote, would you change your view?
solid igloo
Filtered to the US, all maps selected
crude dome
cause bro you def don't understand the power of persuasion.
Callouts always work even in Asia sometimes where they don't even speak english (though the love voting Random)
solid igloo
Just because you can do it once with enough trying doesn't mean you're right, nor should we have to spam in chat to get our way
crude dome
exactly
it's scummy
but this shit is all to skirt around the system in place
that ends up being against variety
solid igloo
bro your recommendation would lead to more spam in the chat not less
wtf are you on about
Are you spamming "PICK CONQUEST" in chat every time it pops up lmao?
crude dome
Nah Conquest will always be voted. For the forced alternating gamemode Invasion offers the fasted potential way to get back to conquest so I often spam that
works consistantly
otherwise, it will be conq > infconq loop
solid igloo
Yea, over in america it's conquest -> sometimes frontline, mostly dom/inf -> conquest
marsh tulip
cause bro you def don't understand the power of persuasion.
you don't understand other servers
solid igloo
I've already addressed this like 4 times
TRULY the reading comprehension demon is strong in this suggestion thread
marsh tulip
its how your experience overrides our lame walls of text
because theres only like 5 players on your servers
solid igloo
TLDR: Nah you're just wrong
You can also see from the server list screenshot I posted that america has naturally segmented into 24/7 servers for the most popular modes
and the only official server open is one playing rush - the only mode people wanna play on 32s
crude dome
You can also see from the server list screenshot I posted that america has natur...
They have the playercount for that luxury
I'd hate for Oceania to be 24/7 conquest
but the current system is beyond lacking
and in the end there isn't any real variety
marsh tulip
I'd hate for Oceania to be 24/7 conquest
so why remove forced alternation
crude dome
so why remove forced alternation
That would be to first and foremost gain and sustain players
Via back to back Conquest maps
marsh tulip
and it wouldn't lose more veteran players tired of conquest?
crude dome
Then as I believe more people will be fine with voting CTF occasionally to take a break from Conquest
marsh tulip
feels like it'd just be a cycle of older players leaving new people joining and then those new people eventually leaving
kind of how it is with US servers, new people want conquest old people dont
crude dome
and it wouldn't lose more veteran players tired of conquest?
For Oceania, they have already left. BBOCE (dead) community died off months ago long before the Conquest regulars
solid igloo
and in the end there isn't any real variety
Bro literally debunking himself
case closed, bye bye
marsh tulip
For Oceania, they have already left. BBOCE (dead) community died off months ago ...
veteran as in people who have been in the server for long
not true veterans, everyone of those has basically left
crude dome
veteran as in people who have been in the server for long
The 10th prestigers all dropped the game in mass at the start of this year
solid igloo
Slaz, maybe people like you are killing the OCE server lol
crude dome
only 10th prestige conquest players are around
marsh tulip
The 10th prestigers all dropped the game in mass at the start of this year
ok? i just said that
crude dome
ok? i just said that
You say they tire of conquest - they do not. They are the only ones who lasted
All schizo infantry players have left the game for now
marsh tulip
You say they tire of conquest - they do not. They are the only ones who lasted
so is oceania conquest 24/7 or not
i thought you said you get people to vote other game modes in oceania
if that were to be gone and people only played conquest and no chance of alternation
wouldn't the people whove been in the server longest leave
crude dome
so is oceania conquest 24/7 or not
It forcefully alternates between gamemodes on the Official 254 server
solid igloo
it sounds like what you're saying is all the normal people have left and only people who want to play conquest 24/7 are left
marsh tulip
yes
lavish warren
How every suggestion thread dies 🫡
crude dome
Players join for a game of conquest, players ALTf4 for a game of whatever the hell they are forced to vote for afterwards
marsh tulip
How every suggestion thread dies 🫡
good thing im here to harvest pigeon shit
crude dome
It's been like this since last year, over half a year. Really hellish
marsh tulip
Players join for a game of conquest, players ALTf4 for a game of whatever the he...
Huh, I wonder where this has been addressed before
solid igloo
How every suggestion thread dies 🫡
slaz's suggestions somehow stick around, the mods are biased smh
marsh tulip
Slaz is a change of pace from the normal server
We need some true "people" every now and then
crude dome
How every suggestion thread dies 🫡
I urge you to stop pressing W, and to stop holding SPACEBAR. Your life has meaning ingame, you don't need to insta respawn when you die
marsh tulip
removed forced alternating gamemodes
players only vote one game mode
new players join
players in server longest try to change gamemode, outvoted
same game mode voted by new players
old players leave
new players join
repeat
crude dome
@solid igloo looking at the server browser live and there indeed isn't even a server for mixed gamemodes cause no 254 official. Cannot show you CTF
marsh tulip
I urge you to stop pressing W, and to stop holding SPACEBAR. Your life has meani...
Slaz he's saying you're an idiot and you're just gonna keep saying the same shit no matter what happens so you always end up "correct"
So am I with that message
More players means you'll suffer NA syndrome and eventually end up wanting the opposite of this suggestion
bold dock
solid igloo
he's got eyes but can't see Mt. Tai is all I'm sayin'
marsh tulip
But this is worthless to say, he'll just go state something random like "not in my experience.." and keep talking until this thread gets locked
marsh tulip
Another collapsed message from a Hylic. Perhaps contribute the the thread with a...
Ok I have. Can I say "another slazenger take" now?
marsh tulip
he's got eyes but can't see Mt. Tai is all I'm sayin'
he's just gonna pull a "you're wrong, i'm right"
thats just how slaz raz is
lets see what this one is
crude dome
it sounds like what you're saying is all the normal people have left and only pe...
That would be correct, though I wouldn't call them normal. But as for the split between people who enjoy(?) infantry only gameplay on a modded call of duty server with killstreaks and vanilla 254 combind arms warfare players the latter is the only who lasted and the only one who seeded the servers.
marsh tulip
without a change of pace those people leave
unless they're completely insane and can play the same thing for years on end
solid igloo
What time is it in OCE atm?
solid igloo
Around that, checks out
Looks like there are two OCE servers, one is 32vs32 the other is 127s
crude dome
the 32 one is bizzare and I think gets auto generated whenever someone clicks quickjoin 32p. It flickers in and out every few minutes
solid igloo
servers are entirely empty atm, which makes sense. OCE is a smaller region for this kind of game
I can't see a custom server at all for OCE
does it only come up at certain times?
crude dome
True but wholeheartedly not to the point Brazil of all places can keep a 254 player up to capacity while we can't
crude dome
does it only come up at certain times?
I seed at 4pm on weekends
on weekdays later on maybe 6 or 7
I will be playing and seeding in Singapore from now on anyways since they changed server 04 to conquest only
at 150 ping
solid igloo
Man, I gotta be real I don't think this voting stuff will bring players back in OCE
and it'll hurt larger population regions
crude dome
I can't see a custom server at all for OCE
They immedately died out once I left the game and stopped seeding ABG (spit). BBOCE hasn't seen a single player since the official server was made. You remember my thread about being held hostage by community servers right?
solid igloo
I gotta be honest, I'm not keeping up with it
marsh tulip
Man, I gotta be real I don't think this voting stuff will bring players back in ...
lack of players is the core issue here
crude dome
Man, I gotta be real I don't think this voting stuff will bring players back in ...
Strongly disagree. The playercount is already on the rise in the last 3 weeks
solid igloo
It'll drop again with time
crude dome
we reached 160 yesterday and I wasn't even playing with the boyz
marsh tulip
Strongly disagree. The playercount is already on the rise in the last 3 weeks
but the voting hasnt changed
solid igloo
Really once the update comes out it'll be fine again for a bit probably
crude dome
that straight up 100+ more players than from before the official server where we had no Conquest
solid igloo
What it sounds like
marsh tulip
voting wont increase it, it'll lose players in the long run imo
solid igloo
is you need to open a conquest 24/7 vanilla server
with whatever voting you want
Then that server will hit it big and keep the OCE player counts high
crude dome
We don't want 24/7 conquest. that would be wrong for all the players here being stuck to one gamemode.
crude dome
Merely a removal of the forced alternating gamemodes so we can play what we vote for as the majority
marsh tulip
Merely a removal of the forced alternating gamemodes so we can play what we vote...
The majority will vote the same mode back to back
bold dock
Average day in bbr
marsh tulip
Forever
solid igloo
Merely a removal of the forced alternating gamemodes so we can play what we vote...
I think you can do that in a custom server
crude dome
<a:MingLaugh:1194726501506089159>
You know there server hasn't even been there since yesterday? This time I'm noteven going to bother to tell them it's down
marsh tulip
It may not be conquest but it'll be the same issue as the NA conquest loop
solid igloo
How about this
crude dome
Hopefully permanently
solid igloo
petition to Oki to open exactly 1 server with the settings you want in OCE lol
and ONLY OCE
crude dome
I think you can do that in a custom server
lol bro no one can do community servers.
solid igloo
boom, everyone wins
crude dome
petition to Oki to open exactly 1 server with the settings you want in OCE lol
Do you mean community hosted? If 1 was up it would get no players from quickplay
solid igloo
nah official
crude dome
since that prioritizes the official
crude dome
oh
solid igloo
I'm sayin' make another thread
similar to the OCE server one
and be like "we need a server with these exact settings"
crude dome
I don't want 24/7 servers
solid igloo
Not saying to open a 24/7 server
crude dome
just no forced alternating gamemodes that cause my party to be split up every 25 minutes
marsh tulip
solid igloo
bro can't even read when it helps him man
marsh tulip
Without forced alternating gamemodes it'll become a 24/7 server
solid igloo
Real quick I gotta know, is english your first language Slaz? Not asking to be an asshole, but I wanna know if I'm the asshole here
bold dock
crude dome
English is my only language. Anything but vanilla battlebit like how it was when I brought it last year is how it should be.
and Oki wouldn't listen to a thread of mine anyway
solid igloo
marsh tulip
and Oki wouldn't listen to a thread of mine anyway
Neither would 67 unblocked people it seems.
solid igloo
Man got the OCE servers up and says oki wouldn't listen
crude dome
but the removal of forced alternating gamemodes would positively benefit the whole game across the globe in all servers
not just for OCE where I play
marsh tulip
It wouldn't.
We had this beofre.
before*
It was invasion 24/7 in NA for a long time.
crude dome
Man got the OCE servers up and says oki wouldn't listen
That was terminalintel and also done on reddit not discord lol
this entire discord is a meme
solid igloo
Thought I saw one on discord too
marsh tulip
It'd force official servers to become 24/7 servers.
if you remove the ability for people to play not their favorite mode/map the entire time, it'd just be that
it's happened countless times in NA
conquest 24/7, invasion 24/7
24/7 24/7 24/7
solid igloo
Well I'm done with this horse race of an argument. I'l see y'all tomorrow when we start over again
I enjoy our talks
marsh tulip
Well I'm done with this horse race of an argument. I'l see y'all tomorrow when w...
good summary of Slaz
crude dome
Well I'm done with this horse race of an argument. I'l see y'all tomorrow when w...
Good night. Play with me in Singapore sometime
bold dock
Pls sum it up
Autism
solid igloo
ion wanna read this shit tree
tldr: the title
crude dome
It'd force official servers to become 24/7 servers.
No the option to vote for other gamemodes are still there. The majority would be conquest. Invasion was released when the forced alternating gamemodes was already inplaced but it had seperate 2 options to vote for it at the end of the round, so it was being voted for back to back
marsh tulip
Let's see what the next Slazenger message is
Will it be
A. You're wrong, I'm ri...
A B
crude dome
This was, quite litterally, how it was when Invasion was released.
The forced alternating gamemode was already in place then
marsh tulip
This was, quite litterally, how it was when Invasion was released.
people will vote the same thing over and over if not forced to change
pine hill
solid igloo
crude dome
Sneakly left out the "forced" I see
marsh tulip
1 odd vote there
solid igloo
I will once again say, I agree with the premise of not forcing alternating votes, but the solution is dogwater. https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1241480391437717524 I'll link my post again for the lazy.
marsh tulip
Sneakly left out the "forced" I see
with or without forced its the same thing
solid igloo
You can literally have your cake and eat it too
pine hill
Sneakly left out the "forced" I see
I am not adding a disclaimer saying forced is only on official servers + this is just a poll for opinion
solid igloo
you don't even NEED to tie maps and game modes together, just have modes that are picked like 3 times in a row dissapear
or have us pick from just 3 modes at a time like maps
marsh tulip
2 times in a row max for modes
solid igloo
with an random option ofc
marsh tulip
maps should never be repeated
solid igloo
that's what we asked for originally 😔
crude dome
I will once again say, I *agree* with the premise of not forcing alternating vot...
Bro the solution is to literally remove it so it's like how it was when I brought the game not skirt around it
marsh tulip
Bro the solution is to literally remove it so it's like how it was when I brough...
We don't like your solution.
We think your solution is stupid and causes further problems.
We think it is not a solution.
solid igloo
When you bought the game the problem was we'd get the same maps and modes constantly as well
Maybe for OCE it was fine with your smaller playerbase, but in the US it was miserable
crude dome
When you bought the game the problem was we'd get the same maps and modes consta...
Correct. Fuck wakistan.
But that was for maps
not gamemodes
marsh tulip
marsh tulip
you guys remember amongus and the wire task
and how you have to match the correct wires together
solid igloo
Alright I'll actually quit arguing now lol. I've had my fun
marsh tulip
i think theres been a little bit of a mismatch
grizzled ocean
Invasion was made an exception just like rush has an exception on the 32vs32 servers. I occasionally play on the 32 server when the 127 is down. And everyone… always… votes… rush. So then I leave. I guess they’re happy, but I would prefer the forced alternating.
bold dock
golden ember
whats wrong with alternating gamemodes again
tacit lynx
he wants gamemodes with vehicles only.
crude dome
whats wrong with alternating gamemodes again
Can't play Conquest consistantly like on release of the game. You used to be able to vote for a gamemode, map. The majority would win out, simple as. The game is also advertised as a 254 combined arms warfare game but when 1/2 of the games are Conquest and a further 1/2 of the Conquest maps actually have tanks/helis that seriously effects the experience. In Oceania the playercount will fluctuate back and forth gaining players under conquest then losing them when the server switches to a different gamemode. It's beyond frustrating.
golden ember
so basically you want conquest 24/7?
crude dome
so basically you want conquest 24/7?
No I want the forced alternating gamemode removed. It will not be 24/7 Conquest just the majority of games, as it should be.
you can still vote for all the other gamemodes
it will just not force you to go back and forth
golden ember
wait do gamemodes follow majority rule or do they have roulette in official servers
crude dome
In official servers there is no roulette random voting. I think that only applied for maps though when enabled, I am not sure.
golden ember
i would be fine if they added that
but with majority voting it actually becomes 99% conquest
i know yall oce guys struggle but i just cant live with 99% conquest on official servers and like two 24/7 conquest servers in na
next sparrow
Just remove inf conq
Agreed
Fuck infy conquest
Its domi or conquest, no inbetweens
golden ember
what about frontline :(
ripe gate
Just remove inf conq
Replace inf conq with a better mode*
Elim too
Both are just inferior versions of another mode
ripe gate
what about frontline :(
Frontline is fine too tbh but some of the layouts heavily favor one side on a few maps, sandy being the big one.
But I still play it anyways cause it’s more fun than constant conq 
raven sundial
why is everyone hating inf conq 
ripe gate
It’s just a mode that attempts to please both sides but in doing so pleases nobody.
Conq players want full on vehicle support.
Infy players just no vehicles, aka domination
Would rather have invasion slayer from halo reach for BBR, and that’s just glorified TDM with objectives rewarding vehicle drops (so naturally there was a reason to go for them)
Most baseline example, someone can probably think of something better but imo fighting to have possible control of a tank sounds better than humvee sim
raven sundial
I enjoy conq size but I don't like sniping tanks and btr so I quite enjoy inf conq
crystal gull
Oh great, I'd love to play 8 matches of Waki Conquest in a row 🙄
tacit lynx
Frugis/Valley/Waki/maybe Tensa conquest was my life for a month or two
crude dome
Oh great, I'd love to play 8 matches of Waki Conquest in a row 🙄
It's not possible to play the same maps in a row unless it's say Wakistan > Random (Wakistan) > Wakistan
Which I have only seen happen once on Azagor when the absolutely vile random roulette map voting was in place.
tacit lynx
great we get two maps over and over again then. just like we did before.
next sparrow
Nuh uh
solid igloo
He has notifs on 😭
crude dome
please encourage the slaz
I'm playin in Singapore at 150 ping in a 24/7 Conquest server after I asked the server owner to changed it. AU is pretty much dead to me now and I will make no effort to seed it and sustain/increase the numbers. I actually seed in Singapore now lol.
Thus, the last of the core Oceania playerbase is once again scattered into the wind.
crude dome
Indeed. Those from the NZ timezone are they ones who seed
I think I was the only one left. Straight up every single regular has gone.
solid igloo
Slaz
bold dock
crude dome
<a:MingLaugh:1194726501506089159>
Enjoying BBOCE? Oh wait 😂
bold dock
solid igloo
