#Let FLIR see through smoke

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hasty quest
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FLIR sucks. It would suck less if it could see through smoke.

Currently FLIR has very few use cases and too many limiting factors, like the limited uptime and forced low framerate. Outside of very niche situations in the day time, its basically useable at night only (and we know how often people vote for night maps).

In order to make FLIR matter in the day time and improve gameplay with it, I suggest that it gets to see targets through smoke. For balance and realism (which matters in block man battlefield to people for some reason), how far it sees through the smoke could be limited so as to allow smoke to maintain some of its usefulness.

tacit crag
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Would allow for some different and interesting gameplay imo, where picking FLIR and smoke could allow for "new" tactics.

formal robin
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smoke blocks FLIR, and all thermals, for a reason.

next meadow
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Battlefield 4 had that originally

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It was patched because flir seeing through smoke was hella op and basically uncounterable

solar shard
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The main point of smoke is to block vision, FLIR included.

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FLIR needs buffs/rework to make it more usable, true, but this is not the way

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So you can be John Cena and so people couldn't see you

faint latch
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I'm sure everyone would just love the strat to be spamming smoke with the FLIR

formal robin
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...what's this even showing?

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anyway that's just color smoke artists use, not anything the military does. Brass, the various Phosphorus's. all block thermal imaging.

solar shard
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Sus

formal robin
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and he deleted his response to me

solar shard
sly atlas
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Or any gun + thermal and smoke spam

silver shoal
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flir is pretty good in maps that support snakes like district

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the visibility it provides is pretty op imo and seeing through smoke would delete the main purpose of smokes as you wouldnt trust it either

formal robin
sly atlas
zinc kelp
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noooo my old eyes need it at times

sly atlas
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That’s the big reason why it’s considered useless and I don’t see any gameplay reason as to why it needs to exist

zinc kelp
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it needs to exist for old people

sly atlas
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I’m not against helping people who need said options, but at that point wouldn’t it be better to just do that thing in settings?

Or at least give flir a fps toggle if that’s possible to implement

zinc kelp
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u wanna ad flir to settings?

sly atlas
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The frame rate specifically, unless you mean something else

zinc kelp
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isnt that a realism thing, same in tarkov

sly atlas
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Think so? Not too familiar with tarkov

zinc kelp
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i think it probably is that way irl , i might be wrong

formal robin
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its worse IRL because the small scopes have like 10-15 fps

zinc kelp
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yeah

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i only use it on saw on that rainy forest map

sly atlas
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District?

zinc kelp
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yes

formal robin
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I don't mind the FLIR the way it is now, simply because otherwise its just a straight upgrade over everything but a 4x.

zinc kelp
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smoke and flir was meta in bf4

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would like 4 x flir on sniper

formal robin
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yeah in BF why would you not use thermals. pretty sure unlike COD there's not a way to hide that

zinc kelp
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pretty much every game ur at a disadvantage if ur the only who cant see

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so its kina either all or nothing, i do kinda prefer the games that was before flir, where u could be more sneaky and hide

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now i just scan a forest, nope no one there move on

next meadow
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no one good used thermals in battlefield lol

zinc kelp
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nah but its good for old people 🙂

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but fps genre was better before flir

formal robin
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everybody used it in 3 and 4.

next meadow
formal robin
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the most popular sight in battlefield

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sure nobody good used it

hoary leaf
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you could make flir just work if you are stationary and moving an inch loses this effect

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makes so you have to not move for 3-5 seconds for it to work

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you coud add so the time that it can see trough smoke shorter but flashbangs dont work on you if you are scoped in after the 5 second deay

timid marsh
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Or just have FLIR work through smoke after the first 50% of the grenade's duration to simulate the smoke cooling.

formal robin
timid marsh
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We're just talking about thrown smoke though

formal robin
formal robin
timid marsh
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I see

formal robin
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contrary to battlefield reserving it for vehicles.

timid marsh
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I'm happy FLIR doesn't work in smoke since then you'd have people just laying in it and headshotting everyone on point.

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If FLIR worked in smoke, spotting through smoke would also need to be a thing again...

hoary leaf
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because honestly in the current state there is not that many situation to use the entire point of the scope itself

formal robin
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its not meant to sit still for long periods of time

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5 seconds in this game is a death sentence

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if this was a 6x or larger, maybe.

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because you sit further away. but its a 2.4.

hoary leaf
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i mean then when are you going to use if it was 6x

formal robin
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if it was thermals?

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you can see everyone, night maps

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woods/forests

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haze

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fucking everywhere.

hoary leaf
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actually does flir os available with brs and shit

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i rememer only using with support lmgs

formal robin
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flir is available for like everything I believe

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primaries I mean

hoary leaf
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well rip all the arguments i had

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what only playing support 24/7 does to a mf

formal robin
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ah, you thought it was only LMG/LSW? yeah that explains a bit lol

hoary leaf
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tbh i rarely see a reason to change scopes with Ars and smgs

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i just pick one and stick with it

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lmgs and brs are the only ones i kinda change but it is just with 4x and 2x if im with the m249 or ultimax

hasty quest
zinc kelp
zinc kelp
sly atlas
zinc kelp
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yes u lose alot of control if u put on flir

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buff all guns

sly atlas
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Mid range scopes suffer from this especially. I want to use acog but holy fuck does it go all over the place compared to red dot or reflex.

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I get why, balancing issues obvs and having a laserbeam combined with the ease of camping would frustrate players

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But it just leaves little variety as a result. Flir falls under this too

zinc kelp
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yep, but yeah 6 x invites for even more camping

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m200 flir and silenser was fun before sniper trail, cant be sneaky with sniper rifle anymore

sly atlas
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There’s another thread about it, but I agrued it should only apply to long range since nobody had issues with close/mis range sniping in regards to the ease of finding them

zinc kelp
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yep

sly atlas
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People tend to be against campy metas, flir + smoke included, because if the only counter is to “use that same attachment/gun/etc.” people lose interest and don’t try to stray away to “fun” tools

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Same could be said with run and gun, vehicle, etc though tbf depending on the person.

zinc kelp
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camping is a part of war, machinegun nest is a real thing

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yes here i am applying realism on minecraft

sly atlas
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Well regardless, I think most scopes are due for overhauls and not just flir. But in regards to flir specifically… honestly I wish there was more practicality to it

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Maybe on nights (like you or someone else said can’t remember) it fills that niche better, but I can’t comment on that because 97% of my matches are in daytime

zinc kelp
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good for spotting for sniper for general area, har to use cus it looks like shit

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well not really hard to use but the sight is all but easy to aim with

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at range that is

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ye shuld be night only server

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sry i answered my own tought

lucid forum
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Flyr only need one thing. It's a crosshair that isn't dogshit to aim with 💀

sly atlas
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At least let us pick a crosshair

lucid forum
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yes

zinc kelp
lucid forum
haughty pollen
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Great, make flanking even more impossible

steel bone
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1000% agree. Force a limit of 100m render distance or something so it cant just beam across the map but it needs utility and i thought it would have this exact functionality from day 1 but nope. Its not good in its current state

formal robin
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why the fuck would a thermal sight see through IR smoke?

solar shard
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What if that's not IR smoke, but normal smoke tho?

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We don't know honestly

formal robin
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IR smoke blocks thermals

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and you know, function kinda says what it is.

solar shard
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Well, so far some is somke, not IR smoke

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And it indeed blocks thermals right now, but it cannot block wallhack in vehicles case lmao

trail depot
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No god please. They removed this in bf4 for a reason lol