RAT SHOT

[sage orchid]

Since shotguns are a touchy subject, I was thinking you could add, for now until you eventually give in and gift us with actual shotguns , rat shots, also known as snake shots, also known as dust shots, also known as shotshells, also known as canister shots.
Before you get fussy
there are rat shots for nearly every gun/caliber you can imagine (12 gauge too).
They would deal little damage, have very short range and deal no damage to armour.
To anyone thinking they wouldn't be "META" or "uSeFuL" ask yourself: "am I playing to
have fun or to work"? "When was the last time I touched grass"?

[dry mason]

ok, but if they're a straight downgrade, why should anyone use them?
not to mention the absolute fuckfest the armor is rn and attachments still being unbalanced to an extend

[rugged raft]

Now that Im thinking about it, a good april fools would be adding shotguns but they can only fire blanks

Functional shotguns would be cool tho

[dry mason]

!shotguns

[livid vapor]

Are you planning the addition of shotguns?

NO

⠀

Are you planning the addition of shotguns?

NO

⠀

[dry mason]

...

[rugged raft]

we've seen it a thousand times

[sage orchid]

a person of culture

[sage orchid]

As much as I love shotguns this ain't 'bout it

[rugged raft]

while Id love to argue reasons why shotguns could be balanced, I'd be hit with this gif 1000 more times

[sage orchid]

Same

[dry mason]

ok but how would this be helpful in any way to the game?

if it's worse in literally any way why would one pick it

[rugged raft]

a few will meme if its direct downgrade, but thats about it

[sage orchid]

Fun add something new and not an headhache to balance, it would be just a fun gimmick

[rugged raft]

maybe it would have slightly more total damage per shot, but since its shotgunny, it would have spread

imagine snakeshot m200

[dry mason]

this got to be one of the dumbest suggestions ever...

smh this channel needs better regulations

[sage orchid]

fun police spotted calling backup for the meme police

[dry mason]

• adds nothing to the game other than being a meme
• will require a rework of the bullet mechanics (wasted devtime)
• literally ignores https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1170741264791130162 and it's little "tangent" about shotguns

[formal lava]

would rather have bow and arrow as a meme weapon than adding meme bullet type

[sage orchid]

-it's not a meme (it probably is for you)
-there are other ways to waste dev time and they're already good at it
-it doesn't ignore it, are shotguns a taboo topic one can't take inspiration from?

[solid girder]

rat shot?

what sort of a rat would suggest shotguns

[dry mason]

• if it's not usefull and just a joke you might as well word it as meme
• the devs are obviously doing their damn hardest to make the game as good as it can be
• yes shotguns are never coming and no a "non shotgun just different bullet 🤓" is still the dumbest bs ever also the reason shotguns were never implemented was because of oki not being able to code them originally from what i recall
  so however you want to justify it, it's just dumb af

[sage orchid]

How can one not code a shot shell and still make mines/grenades

Not a sarcastic question, really curious

[floral badger]

it's just one of the many things people playing this game refuse to understand like "no you won't have parachute" and "no sniper aren't OP you just suck"

[dry mason]

idfk, ask him
but also make sure to ask for thread deletion ;D
probably net code stuff though

[golden raven]

take my upvote

[formal lava]

the rats that makes you crazy?

[golden raven]

shotguns when

[dry mason]

crazy?

[formal lava]

i was crazy once

[dry mason]

aww fuck off 🗿

[golden raven]

shotgun funny, mag 7 when

[dry mason]

!shotguns

[livid vapor]

Are you planning the addition of shotguns?

NO

⠀

Are you planning the addition of shotguns?

NO

⠀

[dry mason]

even a double stack now dayum

[formal lava]

bot is so againts shotgun he spamming that gif

[golden raven]

EVERYONE SAYS

1SK IS UNBAL

[dry mason]

[golden raven]

yet snipers exist

[dry mason]

get 1984'ed idiot

[golden raven]

SO

FUCK OFF(battlebot)

[dry mason]

ye but snipers require skill

[dry mason]

no u

[golden raven]

i was talking to bot

[dry mason]

idc

[golden raven]

shotguns dont thats why it needs to be added

[dry mason]

my circuits have melted with battlebot v2035.10.21.2312 a long long time ago

[golden raven]

''after careful consideration, we found smgs to be to unbalanced for players so we removed them instead of balancing them''

no one wants that

[dry mason]

you are admitting to skill issue lmfao

[golden raven]

yet for the beautiful guns that have existed in videogames since 1993

shotguns

[dry mason]

yet shotguns don't have to be removed if they won't even get added

[dry mason]

"it's old so it's good"

wonderful

[golden raven]

yes

[dry mason]

man you're playing yourself here

[golden raven]

doom is balanced af

[dry mason]

doom is an arena shooter

[golden raven]

if it aint broke dont fix it

[dry mason]

fkn troll

[golden raven]

yes and still

cs

1999

shotguns

balanced

half life

[dry mason]

[golden raven]

shotguns

balanced

CALL OF DUTY 4, 3 ALL OF THEM

shot guns

balanced

[dry mason]

keep sending messages i've blocked you...

[golden raven]

arma 2, 3 and cold war assault

shotguns

balanced

[dry mason]

[golden raven]

tarkov

shotguns

balanced

battlebit

no shotguns

not balanced

cmon shotguns are cool

[formal lava]

they are cool

but not cool enough for battlebit

[golden raven]

shame

ill take shotguns over snipers

at least i dont have to sit back and click

[sage orchid]

same

[inner escarp]

This is the only ratshot i want

[rugged raft]

As a minor advocate for shotgun's addition, I do not claim Gamezmaster as one of my own

since this thread is about shotguns anyways, and probs gonna get deleted, I'm just gonna share why I think shotguns could be nice

1: close-range Instakills
Close range is where shotguns are effective. The downside to this is that when you arent 10 feet from your enemy, you do significantly more damage. This is a downside that no other weapon shares (as in, every other weapon in the game can be used more effectively than a shotgun outside of the shotgun's effective range) Plus, if you think it's too easy for a shotgun to instakill, RPG's exist, and are even easier than shotguns to use. And they work further away than 10 feet. ||rpg's are kind of just shotguns but better||
2: Balance
It's probably more difficult to balance a shotgun to other guns because its just so different. every weapon is just another weapon with a trade off. smgs are ars and carbines with more mobility, but with less range. sniper rifles are just battle rifles/dmrs, but with less rpm, and more damage. Shotguns are more similar to snipers in their game design, but not too much due to firing more projectiles per shot. The reason that shotguns can be balanced is that even though like snipers they have 1 shot kills, and they would have a faster rof than snipers, they are used in a range where it's easier to fight back. shotguns are used in a close range against smg, they miss their shot, they're dead- the smg kills them. if they hit their shot, it kills them, but you need to hit most of the pellets, not just 1, which causes them to need at least SOME aim, but not as much as other weapons.
3: TTK

Im not gonna go over this as much, but the game already has a pretty low ttk. it's already <500ms for a lot of guns (according to this from 6 months ago https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/14e10pa/ttk_numbers_for_every_primary_weapon_excluding/
the thing is, from close range its easy to hit your shots. they either see you at the same time and you have an equal fight, or you shoot them, they try to react, and they die. with a shotgun, you are much more likely to kill them. you hit them with a few pellets, they react, and they probably still die from the second shot. If they dont fully hit their first shot, their ttk will be HIGHER than a normal gun's ttk.

If you dont want to read this, for the love of god if I see "I ain't reading all that"- just ignore it.

[loud sentinel]

1-bullshit mechanic that is the reason shotguns are hated.
2-shotguns would either be overpowered or never used, shotguns spread with Buck is not as much as people think it is.
3-shotguns would have to be 1hit kills basically all the time to even stand a chance at being useful, much less good. We're talking 80 damage as a minimum for one shot. this is never going to feel good to play against, ever.

[rugged raft]

1: It is kinda bullshit, but even then, maybe other sources of instakills ||rpgs|| should also be toned down
2- doesnt have to be realistic- fun takes priority
3- no. you can have a shotgun not 1 shot and still be good. take a pump-action shotgun. You shoot once, deal 60 damage, shoot again and theyre dead. not too much different from missing a few shots with an AR.

[golden raven]

good point, i played too much doom

but still shotguns are cool

[loud sentinel]

1: you act like RPGs are not also a problem people have, stop trying to shift "oh this is in the game, don't see why this can't be added"
2: realistic means shotguns useful up to 50 meters away with a relatively tight spread which is wear the spread is about the size of a person, bringing that point to less than 20 meters would mean a shotgun is useless beyond getting lucky with a golden cqc situation. but that won't happen because anybody with armor would mean that you would not be able to two shot someone at 60. meaning you need more damage, which means more one shots, which nobody will like to face.

[golden raven]

in cs if a pellet hits a head, enemy is dead, might be a cool but broken feature and will be quite rng based

[rugged raft]

thats broken because thats a different game with different balance

[loud sentinel]

3: if we only had HP that would be the case, but we have armor, and even light armor would negate a shotguns usefulness, unless, again, it was made to at least 70 damage.

[rugged raft]

you dont hear "shotguns are broken because 1 shot kill" and then make it pathetically easy to one shot kill

[golden raven]

shotguns should just be like this, 1m death 20m some damage

because guns still have the same ttk at point blank even sometimes longer due to hitreg issues when inside the player

BUT shotguns should have really bad movement speed, airstrafing with shotguns sounds like a nightmare

[rugged raft]

You have to hit the armor in the first place. Plus armor cant regenerate so chip damage, having slightly better aim, or even a little fall damage will prevent armor from saving someone from a 2 shot kill

[rugged raft]

1: I guess that is my bad.
2: shotguns are supposed to be cqb. on open maps they will be bad, but on maps with more buildings, they will be more useful. Plus, a shotgun shouldnt need a golden cqb, just cqb. (of course, now I'm opening this up to "what if camping," but pretty much every gun will win when you catch the enemy by surprise.)

[golden raven]

still though, ill choose shotguns over snipers

[golden raven]

true, holding angle = instant death to enemy

[rugged raft]

also just want to say I dont think automatic or even semi-automatic shotguns should be added. Pump-action and double barrel only. (personally, I like tube/pump actions shotguns because of animations and sounds of loading shells in the tube, and break action double barrels because of the same reason)

[solid girder]

Did someone really say shotguns are balanced in battlefield and cs?

Shotguns are oneshot killing machines that get banned in battlefield tryhard servers and most decent casual servers

Cs shotguns are ”balanced” because its an economy based game where shotguns occupy mid range price bracket. Theyre very underpowered in a direct comparison to assault rifles

Also cod is the game series where assault rifle users camp while snipers push like idiots. Their balancing is irrelevant

[inner escarp]

Tbh given how other guns currently work bbr, with the seemingly most balanaced way prosoposed for their implementation (basically snipers but close), they would end up probably being only annoying to everyone who isnt running high ttk weapons

Basically everyone with smgs or fal with no armor

Otherwise everything beyond pissing distance will probably be fine

[golden raven]

not in battlefield, but cs has them dogshit so do that