Thoughts? Ideally the hand holding the pistol would be the only exposure (when aiming).
#Riot Shield+Pistol
sharp atlas
robust sentinel
Agreed. Pistols are underpowered compared to rifles, so adding the ability to use them while shielding would in no way make shields overpowered
hollow mural
would be nice if not really useful in 99% of situations. RoN shield? have arm behind shield unless aiming?
forest tendon
Considering the state of most side arms (hi cal requires good aim, glock runs out of ammo pretty quickly, and normal side arms… lol)
This would make both sidesrms and the riot shield useful
frail lynx
Riot Shield is just a Meme and thats sad, my Idea was "Tanking hits = Points" - but I also like this Idea very much, anything that makes the Riot Shield.. well, it doesnt need to be viable, it should just have a Reason to play.
(no.. you're not helping your Team when using it, thats just theory)
indigo summit
tanking hits = points is a good start but still wouldn't make it viable
dapper kite
Shields and pistols in non tactical games always end up annoying as hell and not even good
mighty chasm
Shields and pistols in non tactical games always end up annoying as hell and not...
nah it can be done right
just only make it resistant to 7.62, anything above
death
indigo summit
and you can already die to anything from the front making it to just >7.62 would be a buff xd
hollow mural
not really since it can tank those shots, but its easy to get an angle on a shield
indigo summit
I have been killed by a l86a1 from the front before and it has 5.56 
hollow mural
hands, legs, head if they have even a slight angle on you.
are you sure it was even the same guy?
sage niche
Can't wait for all the riot shields with Glocks
indigo summit
are you sure it was even the same guy?
it was waki below the bridge 4m from the front and we both were the only ones down there
hollow mural
Can't wait for all the riot shields with Glocks
auto pistols really shouldn't be an option with it
that defeats the point of having less accuracy with the shield if you can just go "accuracy by volume"
indigo summit
less accuracy with the glock means everything behind 3m is safe from you
hollow mural
not really, glock can hipfire to 15 meters pretty easily. just one dude and likely gonna take the enitre mag, but with the shield you can keep closing that distance
indigo summit
if he's shooting back your accuracy will spike drastically
and unlike him you can't ads and can't kill with 4 shots left in the mag
hollow mural
with the shield? not at all, you get pushed back that's about it, your screen barely shakes. you aren't going to be hitting headshots, but that's not necessary. also if this is added, you'd likely be able to reload it behind the shield.
indigo summit
and you will most likely get an accuracy debuff when getting shot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow mural
that wont change much man
thats like saying "hey you can keep your shots to a guys chest, but when you get hit your shots are only going to be able to hit a person sized target at the same range"
indigo summit
not quite sure what you are trying to say here
hollow mural
not quite sure what you are trying to say here
at the distances you are going to use your pistol in, the debuff would have to either be insane, or it would change nothing for automatic pistols.
indigo summit
there are not that many cases where you can get close with the shield before getting spotted and you can see the way the shield shakes when getting shot with 2 hands now imagine you only have 1 hand to hold it and another one to fire back. Your accuracy will go down the drain.
Which is perfectly fine gameplay wise
hollow mural
if you are using your shield that far away you aren't using your pistol.
indigo summit
personally i dont think the shield should have hipfire at all
its a skill less gamble
frail bear
is this with you aiming down sights because if we are able to aim down sights well holding a shield it would be kinda op
hollow mural
point shooting at best
dapper kite
personally i dont think the shield should have hipfire at all
yeah siege is changing theirs to be no hipfire and it should be like that in every pvp game
dapper kite
is this with you aiming down sights because if we are able to aim down sights we...
as long as it exposes your head and most of your chest its fine, maybe no g18 with shields
indigo summit
yeah siege is changing theirs to be no hipfire and it should be like that in eve...
oh? they did?
but ye i agree its completely luck based
hollow mural
as long as it exposes your head and most of your chest its fine, maybe no g18 wi...
or just have it be point shooting like RoN
dapper kite
or just have it be point shooting like RoN
thats better than hipfire accuracy wise
hollow mural
thats better than hipfire accuracy wise
so? you move slow, can't run, they can hit your arm and legs if you want to move even close to quick, you get pushed back when you get hit, if they add a pistol point shooting would be the only way to shoot anyway(R6's "Tilt shield" bullshit doesn't happen) which means getting hit would make it hard to land shots. Autopistols should be excluded anyway.
and all that's if they don't decide to frag you, or use c4, or an RPG, or just charge you and walk through your shield
indigo summit
whats r6s tilt shield?
hollow mural
the tilt shield to ads
worldly portal
good idea actually .
indigo summit
huh? why is that bullshit?
hollow mural
because it doesn't happen, because it ruins the whole point of the shield.
hollow mural
point shooting would be enough. ADS with a tilted shield might as well not have the shield.
frail lynx
no matter what, I saw several Topic about the Riot Shield and that many people agree that it just sucks, I really hope the Devs see those Topics lol
and know that Riot Shield are just lame
to compare Suicide C4, its a meme, but at least its fun, you get SOME kills, help the team in a minor way, wouldnt call it viable but at least its not useless
then u got Riot Shield, which IS just useless
balmy swan
Also have it aswell so you can put your pistol away and use nades at a reduced throw range for breach and clearing camped rooms, would be so cool to flash and clear that camping scumbag once and for all 
forest tendon
Just use frag 
But sure why not
forest tendon
Ok then give us sledge hammer and riot combo to go with it
mellow dome
wonder if we ever get this
opal jasper
this would be kinda op with current riot sheild
indigo summit
how woudl that be op?
mellow dome
this would be kinda op with current riot sheild
i mean the pistols are pretty bad
so idk about that
indigo summit
mellow dome
pistols are very good CQ
i mean you could have it where if ur using a riot shield + pistol the shield is moved to the side/angled more so it doesnt block as much
indigo summit
there are many ways you could balance it if we get it
opal jasper
I mean to balance it youd have to remake the entire riot sheild to not be so big or make it not 100% invincible
mellow dome
I mean to balance it youd have to remake the entire riot sheild to not be so big...
that nerfs shield
no
cuz if u dont have pistol its just useless
just have it move to side
visual iris
scroll wheel fire + shield 🤑
hollow mural
I mean to balance it youd have to remake the entire riot sheild to not be so big...
its not you moron. not only can you just toss a frag in front of it, you cn shoot through the front of it. not to mention clipping through it.
opal jasper
You can’t shoot through it. And there is no reason to call me a moron over a game feature that I simply think needs more done to it if this specific change where to be done. Don’t be a child.
worldly portal
this would be kinda op with current riot sheild
c4 is your answer
opal jasper
It could be but giving them a pistol makes them instantly able to kill you within the range that c4 would be able to reach
indigo summit
You can’t shoot through it. And there is no reason to call me a moron over a gam...
you can
atleast 3 different guns can
opal jasper
atleast 3 different guns can
Sounds like a bug
worldly portal
It could be but giving them a pistol makes them instantly able to kill you withi...
here we get to the another problem that me and alot of other players are facing .
hit register and health .
personally i compare a good multiplayer shooter to BF3 , why ? becasue in BF3/BF4 you have the chance to defend yourself and the damage dealt to you is the most balanced you can imagine . in my idea DEVS must tinker with this part of the game , even thou it makes it more casual , becasue right now its not milsim , it is leaning toward casual , and you rarely see people coopprate in fights with each other and do team work.
main point is not HOW you want to do it , or HOW it is needed to be done , but in the first place there need to be a possible , fair way to do it .
worldly portal
here we get to the another problem that me and alot of other players are facing ...
this is my personal idea .
opal jasper
here we get to the another problem that me and alot of other players are facing ...
Agreed
indigo summit
Sounds like a bug
looks like its wanted
idle hound
It feels already super easy to die when holding a shield as it is. I'm all for it. I've tried legitimately using the shield on multiple occasions and it doesn't seem... consistent? I mean the shield doesn't protect you from explosives, and the situations where you'd want to pull one out tend to have a lot of those anyways.
storm bridge
I think if this is implemented correctly, such as revealing more of the body when using the pistol to shoot and having no ADS, it could make the riot shield more enjoyable and viable to play without making it broken.
Also, if you could gain xp for tanking shots, the riot shield would get further elevated in enjoyability.
hollow mural
just give it a gun. the thing stops basically nothing and what little it does stop can easily go through the window.
kind cloak
Agreed. Pistols are underpowered compared to rifles, so adding the ability to us...
Disagreed. Pistols aren’t far enough behind them that that would be at all balanced given how riot shields currently work.
Being able to block like 80-90% of the shots at the same time as using a pistol would be absurd
Maybe if you’d realistically be blocking 40-50% it’d be fair.
idle hound
Maybe if you’d realistically be blocking 40-50% it’d be fair.
I don't think you understand how inconsistent the riot shields are. Not go mention how inaccurate hipfire pistols are. The riot shield is a joke in its state.
kind cloak
They’re way too consistent for it to be fair.
You can currently tank an unreasonable amount of fire, there’s just no real benefit to doing so as you can’t do much in that state.
idle hound
I don't know what shield you're using
visual iris
Is this new inertia thread?
idle hound
Is this new inertia thread?
What?
indigo summit
They’re way too consistent for it to be fair.
riot shields are a gamble. Yes in theory you can tank 100 shots but in theory you can also die after 3
indigo summit
Being able to block like 80-90% of the shots at the same time as using a pistol ...
and you could easily balance the %
kind cloak
and you could easily balance the %
That could be done by changing the size of the shield, yes
But the person I replied to did not suggest anything like that.
patent sinew
Being able to block like 80-90% of the shots at the same time as using a pistol ...
Blocking 90% of the bullets is kinda countered by taking 90% of the bullets. since you're probably using the riot shield to push out of cover, the focus will be on you, and Some will eventually get past
kind cloak
Blocking 90% of the bullets is kinda countered by taking 90% of the bullets. sin...
The exact opposite of that happens
If there is a choice available people would rather get kills than waste bullets on a riot shield
indigo summit
radiant cipher
Maybe if you’d realistically be blocking 40-50% it’d be fair.
If you factor in the riot shield being moved a bit to make room for the pistol, 40-50% sounds reasonable depending on how they tweaked the hit box.
hollow mural
at that point just wear exo, it would serve the same purpose but you have an LMG/LSW
indigo summit
exo cant shield you from bullets tho
hollow mural
if you only blocking 50% of the damage might as well just be exo.
indigo summit
isnt he talking about 50% with the pistol out? it would still be 100% (i wish ) without the pistol
hollow mural
that would just make it worse.
like wearing normal armor and moving would keep you alive longer.
what would be the point
opal jasper
I’ll agree with devil if it ain’t blocking all it’s just exo
hollow mural
the thing blocks basically nothing as is, and you want to add more weakspots? to use a shitty pistol? I doubt they'll let true ADS be a thing.
idle hound
Yeah no I've had so many situations with the shield where I would've survived if I just had my gun out instead
indigo summit
the thing blocks basically nothing as is, and you want to add *more* weakspots? ...
no i want it to work properly while also having the option to shoot back while making you a bit exposed
indigo summit
Yeah no I've had so many situations with the shield where I would've survived if...
because it straight up sucks
its fun but absolute garbage
idle hound
I just die cause they shot through the shield before I could pull out my gun and shoot back. Super sluggish. If you catch someone by surprise while using the shield, congrats, you just gave them the benefits of surprising you instead
It's not even useful in protecting teammates or coordinating with them. You'd probably need a tactical squad to get any real use out of it.
indigo summit
it has way to many disadvantages while giving basically no advantage
idle hound
One big issue is you can't like push and protect your teammates because of the standard movement speed. It's too slow. They are much safer just bolting out in the open to new cover instead of sticking behind you.
indigo summit
the only gun the shield is better than movement is an lmg every other gun you can better outrun. But the lmg is gonna kill you anyway
idle hound
Well with the lmg you can just kill them instead of standing there doing nothing
Honestly support should get the shield too cause at least they have the armor to survive a little bit more
Considering armor can't be replenished
Riot shields could have great potential as a tool to break stalemates
hollow mural
just make it point shooting. having an arm out would be enough, especially since arms have no armor. True ADS is not really needed for the riot shield.
idle hound
I mean if people are scared of riot shields being too protective just use an rpg. The shield makes it bigger surface area and easier to hit probably.
hollow mural
too protective? who ever says that shit is stupid.
idle hound
Yeah... it's just too inconsistent honestly
hollow mural
and please haro, stop trying to bring R6 "shield use" into this game.
would just make the shield even more shit if it was done like that.
idle hound
That seems to be the sticking point of people arguing against giving it a pistol. "It'd be OP"
hollow mural
their thinking glock mostly.
idle hound
You could hamper it with a like... accuracy penalty
hollow mural
I don't think anything else really has the accuracy to compete over a primary even at close range because of how easy it is to counter a shield
idle hound
Like when you one hand to drag a body
hollow mural
that wouldn't really do much
its a close range weapon, and even the debuff for dragging doesn't effect you hipfiring within 10-15 meters
you just need the mag size
glock might be lower of course, but the point still stands.
it can melt through people while they can really only shoot you, so that's what people don't want
idle hound
The glock melts through people?
Whenever I use it... it feels like a pea shooter half the time. Especially if they got armor
I don't think the glock and shield would be a super big issue
Considering this game accounts for range
Last I checked rifles outrange pistols
hollow mural
range not going to matter where you would use a shield and pistol
also glock can kill exo pretty quick if you got the aim.
perfect world you can get 2-3 per mag.
idle hound
Really? Didn't seem like it killed that fast to me. Weird.
kind cloak
Glock TTK is worse than pretty much every primary weapon.
Which is to be expected
It’s a secondary
idle hound
range not going to matter where you would use a shield and pistol
It does in many situations
idle hound
Glock TTK is worse than pretty much every primary weapon.
Yeah I've always found exos just eat my glock bullets like candy.
Never seemed like it was broken, just a weapon that you panic shoot, kill a single guy or maybe 2 if you're lucky, and then die because they have more teammates behind
hollow mural
It does in many situations
not in the situations you are going to use a pistol and a shield.
kind cloak
Never seemed like it was broken, just a weapon that you panic shoot, kill a sing...
The extended mag is pretty much the entire reason why it can be argued to outclass the other secondaries, because attachment move speed modifiers don’t affect you when the weapon isn’t drawn
Since otherwise the glock lacks on mag size but with it, it does quite well
idle hound
I've not used the extended mag on it because getting pistol kills seems pretty hard to rack up
In close range sure I guess it might be better then a rifle, but there is still plenty of engagements where you'll just be outranged. I've had far more reliability in getting cqc kills by hipfiring my ak then switching to a glock... but I guess some people are just cracked with pistols
kind cloak
It’ll never beat a rifle if the rifle has bullets in it
(beat a rifle as in, do better than it would)
Even the AUG kills faster
indigo summit
would just make the shield even more shit if it was done like that.
you can't make the current shield worse with r6 mechanics
and I don't want a r6 shield but I want pistol ads
yes they are both shields and pistols but there are differences
hollow mural
so it would be point shooting, or the RD6 bullshit
you said no to point shooting
but now say no to the only other option?
indigo summit
so it would be point shooting, or the RD6 bullshit
do you define r6 shields only by ads pistol?
and ye point shooting is bullshit
little thorn
Riot shield could be a tool to push open areas or long corridors, if we could sprint. It doesn't need to be able to be used with a pistol, for which the balance would be complicated, just a tweak of its statistics. 2042 is bad yes, but the shield has that exact role and works alright.