Those Who Cannot Drive a Helicopter

[wind aurora]

Some BattleBit players are unable to fly helicopters in the game either because they are new, getting trolled, or lack skills. This results in the helicopter being unable to take off, causing the players who are supposed to ride it at the beginning of the game to die due to the helicopter exploding. Many players traveling in helicopters move slower than usual towards the combat area, causing their team to start the game trailing 1-0. To prevent these issues caused by those unable to fly helicopters, here are my suggestions:

(Note: By "at the beginning of the game," I refer to the initial 3 minutes. Additionally, I am not including the two-seater armed Littlebird in the list.)

• Having a minimum rank of 15 to fly helicopters.
• Inability to switch teams if a helicopter explodes at the start of the game.
• Ability to report a teammate in the death menu if they cause a helicopter to explode at the beginning of the game.
• Receiving a helicopter ban (7 days) if they repeatedly cause helicopters to crash.

İngilizce çeviride Türkçe versiyondaki kadar doğru vermediği için türkçe halini de koyuyorum:

Bazı BattleBit oyuncuları oyunda yeni olduğundan, trollediğinden veya beceriksiz olduğundan helikopter süremiyor ve takımda helikopter yolcularının oyunun helikopterin patlaması yüzünden başlangıcında ölmesine neden oluyor. Helikopterlerde giden birçok oyuncu çatışma alanına normalden daha yavaş gidiyor bu nedenle o takımdakiler oyuna 1-0 geride başlıyor. Bu helikopter süremeyenlerin önüne geçmek için fikirlerim:

(Not: Oyun başında derken ilk 3 dakikadan bahsediyorum. Ayrıca iki kişilik silahlı littlebird'i listeye almıyorum)

·Helikopter sürmek için en az 15 rütbeye sahip olma
·Oyun başında helikopter patlattığı takdirde takım değiştirememe
·Oyun başında helikopter patlatırsa takım arkadaşını ölüm menüsünde raporlayabilme
·Çok fazla kez helikopter düşürmüşse helikopter banı yeme (7 Günlük)

[vague gyro]

Are you suggesting that people who aren’t as skilled at using helicopters should be literally punished? How the hell are they supposed to get better.

[tacit palm]

True

But you can add helis to practice

[celest ivy]

Holy fuck, we going to round up all the noobs and send them too a piloting education camp too? jeeze.

[tacit palm]

Or you can punish people who crash that are NOT noobs

[celest ivy]

Oops, I crashed 3 minutes into the game now I can't fly for a week.

[cunning crow]

eh

[tacit palm]

Just say like if you crash of spawn with heli if you are like rank 30+ you get punished

[cunning crow]

i mean tbh w/ no helis in practice range

u cant blame ppl

for crashing lol

[celest ivy]

Accidents fucking happen.

[tacit palm]

Fair

[tacit palm]

If you are above rank 30 and crash a heli re evaluate your choice to play bbr

[celest ivy]

Sure thing adolf.

[tacit palm]

Add helis in practice range then implement this

[neon glade]

fuck new players!!! yeah

[tacit palm]

Just add helis to practice range then punish only players above rank 30

[celest ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/you-need-to-understand-why-you-are-being-punished-eric-cartman-stella-reid-south-park-s10e7-gif-20852895

[tacit palm]

Because you crashed a heli and killed your fucking teamates even though you had time to drive the thing

[celest ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-it-out-spit-disgusting-gif-16413711

[tacit palm]

If you purposely didnt take the time to learn and then on propose drive a heli you are trolling

[celest ivy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931692487632912404/1069865136346628136/untitled.gif

[tacit palm]

Either way, if you are rank 30 and decide to use a heli even if you have never tried it you are trolling

[small swift]

rank 30 aint even hard to grind

lmao

[wind aurora]

Don't be so angry, it's just an idea. If you don't like it, you can express it more politely. I don't like people trolling me in this beautiful game. Also, I have mentioned more than one item here, so there is no need to ban people for 7 days.

[celest ivy]

👌 🐴
Not mad, your ideas are shit though.
Just report the griefers, no need to punish people for playing the game and making mistakes.

[wind aurora]

Well, you are right, but there are people who know how to drive a helicopter but knowingly kill their teammates.

And I go crazy when I die with 8 other people in the helicopter

I understood how to drive the helicopter in the first minute. So unless you're an 8 year old brat, you can easily drive a helicopter.

[celest ivy]

That's griefing, just report them
The only one on the list that would be any use for people team killing, on purpose is the
" Ability to report a teammate in the death menu if they cause a helicopter to explode at the beginning of the game"
and if we're still going with the more than a few seconds into the match, a minute alone then the heli could be in the middle of the map and fighting, an wrong evasive maneuver and right into a building by accident everyone blows up the pilot is accused of trolling and reported.

The report system in place is fine.

[wind aurora]

In the deaths I saw, the man first raised the helicopter to the height of Everset Mountain and then crashed into the bushes, killing us all. Do you think he did this by accident?

[celest ivy]

Could be, unless it happens multiple times I wouldn't report them.

[wind aurora]

ok you winned bro

[noble steeple]

-_

[wind aurora]

what?

[noble steeple]

i have been flying helis since i was lvl 13 and now im lvl 80, i get kids jumping in my helicopter, taking up seats

screaming "get out the heli"

"its my turn"

"you're awful at flying"

[wind aurora]

xd

[noble steeple]

i had 2 guys in my heli for like 15 minutes the other day

refusing to get out

so i kinda just crashed into a building and refused to let them win

[north furnace]

"Ability to report a teammate in the death menu if they cause a helicopter to explode at the beginning of the game.
Receiving a helicopter ban (7 days) if they repeatedly cause helicopters to crash."

Yeah no, gtfo

[charred owl]

You need to understand that this entire playerbase suffers from main character syndrome while also vindictive as fuck. The report system is ALREADY getting abused, you wanna tell me that people would have the moral integrity to not "Helicopter Report" literally every single pilot that steals their seat?

[tacit palm]

Give new players tools to learn how to fly and restrict heli flight until after a certain rank

And if you cannot drive a heli after being given opportunity to learn without impacting others game you are just fucking shit at flying and should just sit in the passenger

Being given the opportunity to learn something not learning it and then doing the action you havent practiced is trolling

[mystic sigil]

Just make a tutorial or smth, you rank up so fast in this game that ranks don't even matter.
Dozens of times I have seen shitters crash a full blackhawk into a building terrorist style, everyone calls them a re**rd and now you have to wait 3-4 min for a new heli
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159509815610048563/1187181427318599720/Replay_2023-12-19_22-25-47.mp4?ex=65a868dd&is=6595f3dd&hm=37e13025969875da88c054a079b8c805b5b35139c877e1705e7883ded63bf04d&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159509815610048563/1187181338848141442/Replay_2023-12-18_23-13-32.mp4?ex=65a868c7&is=6595f3c7&hm=3a93df30bd436d85a7b65544a96c36643736cb21cc287082bf735a6c6c5632b5&

[tacit palm]

Just some sort of requirement to prove competence please

So it shows you are competent enough to fly and if you crash it proves you are trolling

[leaden steeple]

Communication interface and Heli skill marker may alleviate this issue:https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1191094153040371732

[north furnace]

iirc vehicles will be available at the training range eventually

Hopefully soon

[tacit palm]

If you choose to drive a heli without practice you are basically guaranteed to cause a team kill

[north furnace]

No one is saying no to that

[marble patrol]

Yeah, i suggest we just ban them all...

How dare you crash the heli you noob, be banished!!

[tacit palm]

Or simply do not allow them to fly helis and give them opportunities to practice in the range

[normal root]

ooh helicopter thread

with a shitty core idea

[tacit palm]

Or add helis in practice range and if you crash in game griefing ban is warranted

[half verge]

Im rank 100+ and i've barely used helis. I've probably used helis less than 10 times. Your rank gets boosted very easily in this game.
Why would i be punished when i would try to learn the heli?
Right now i can fly it but akwardly. I want to learn it like in other fps games eventually. Nobody wants to go to practice range to fly a heli

People just want to learn things as they play. There is nothing wrong with that

[tacit palm]

More like add helis to practice range

Then demonstrate you are able to fly

And then you can fly helis

[tacit palm]

Not when it ruins the gameplay for others

[normal root]

I report anyone who crashes the heli for griefing idc how new they are 👍👍

I don’t want my team to lose cause one dumbass kills all 20 of us on the first tree in Waki

[half verge]

You guys were never bad at fps games? Not everyone has a malicious intent

[tacit palm]

This wouldnt happen if there was a way to practice helis

[tacit palm]

Nr1 helis is not fps gameplay nr2. I did something called practice to get better

[normal root]

I don’t mind the noob in the back of the map practicing flight when the match is halfway/almost over

I do mind when they snag a start game heli

cause I know they ain’t gonna do shit with that

[tacit palm]

Yes sure but it becomes annoying when they steal heli and crash 20 of your teamates into the fucking ground

Let the noobs who want to practice flying do that in the range

But some newbies are way to confident in there flying ability and snipe a heli off rip and crash into the ground

[half verge]

But nobody is going to do it in the range guys. You didnt do it in the range as well when you were learning

I bet you've crashed your fair share of helis while learning

[tacit palm]

True but i did it by waiting near the end of the match and taking a littlebird with nobody in it

There is a difference between taking a blackhawk with 20 people and crashing it off rip and taking a littlebird with nobody in it

Having helis in practice range eliminates having some noob take a black hawk

And thats why i also think there should be some competence test to fly blackhawks

This isnt as much about newbies not being able to fly as it is newbies effectively team killing 20 people off spawn

[north furnace]

I don't get why you are so focused on this point when IT IS confirmed we will get vehicles in shooting range eventually

[half verge]

I dont think new players choose a heli with max people in it on purpose. Selecting vehicles in battlebit is way more messy than in other games.
I usually cant tell how many people are on the vehicle when its in the base. Especially when choosing one inside the base where every vehicle is stacked so close to each other that you have to zoom 5 times on the map to actually see what it is.

[tacit palm]

Its not them choosing a vehicle to fly that already has a ton of people its more they see “blackhawk” pick it, people join newbie crash then they repeat

Just disallow noobies to pick blackhawk

[wind aurora]

what is going on?

It's like this is someone else's business now

[half verge]

If you start restricting things like that then there is no end to the restrictions you are going to apply into the game.
I've joined many blackhawks where the pilot knows how to fly but refuses to drop the rope so we can actually get transported somewhere. I've had matches where we have a fully stacked heli and we are all stuck on it cause the pilot thinks he is flying an ac130 and his role is to play support gunship.
Do we also punish that guy too? He is technically contributing by flying around and not crashing.

[wind aurora]

Well, I take my words back, there is no need for such a restriction.

** # Instead of giving restrictions you can just use these two:**

-Helicopter test drive and training.
-Ability to report those who explode helicopters.

[craggy lark]

add driver/pilot license that could be bought directly at Oki patreon page ///

[violet venture]

You can't lol

[tacit palm]

If i die on a heli because the driver is slow mentally i will start spitting slurs like a cod lobby

[north furnace]

Get banned I guess

[tacit palm]

Would rather get banned then let another braindead fucking noobie pilot a blackhawk

[cold zinc]

Well then, obviously you don’t enjoy the game as a whole if you want to be completely unable to play just because a random was trying to learn the game

[tacit palm]

They can learn the game without having to ruin the experience for others

[cold zinc]

It’s just a game vehicle, it’s not that deep

[red steppe]

So according to this, if you haven't used a Heli before, you aren't allowed to use a Heli. How are people supposed to learn? There's no tutorial. There's no way to practice except in a game. You want people to be experienced in how to do a thing before they can do that thing. Your logic isn't logical.

[tacit palm]

Use the littlebirds, they carry only a few people and have very similar physics

[red steppe]

People like you will still whine if it crashes.

I have played enough to be at prestige 2 and have barely touched helis because of people like you whining at people. It hasn't scared me off, I just don't want to hear it. It makes no sense.

[wooden iron]

add a tutorial for helos, simple

[small swift]

yeah then why punish the players for something they cant even practice lmao

game fault = punish players right

right

great idea

[tacit palm]

Vehicles in the range is confirmed

Punish players for not practicing something thats there

[small swift]

its confirmed but its not in yet

lmao

[tacit palm]

Never said they should implement it rn

[elder tulip]

If we're doing this insanity, when are we putting the people who spawn on you and take two steps forward into your line of sight then stop into in-game education camps? Or how about breaking the legs of medics that sprint around not healing so that they can't get away from the injured. Or we could limit snipers to only people who have run through an eye test beforehand. Edited to add the /s since some people seem to let it whoosh.

[small swift]

what?

[woven kestrel]

Do people not realize that crashing wouldn’t be an issue if the shooting range had vehicle support… aka something that’s planned..?

But yeah nah just throw a ban hammer at everyone who doesn’t play Microsoft flight sim, ig that will solve the problem (it won’t and people will hesitate to learn it for fear of getting banned.. meaning if you don’t have a skilled pilot you’re out of luck)

[woven kestrel]

You can already do the second part through the table menu under “griefing”, and I’m sure the mods would be able to tell if it was accidental or intentional

But literally just give people the ability to practice piloting in private and this problem would be solved. Maybe add a few scenario locations in the shooting range for them to flight in too.

Why would we want to ban newcomers for trying to learn how to use vehicles when the game gives them no way to do so? That seems counterproductive.

[wind aurora]

I think getting more than 46 rejection emojis is a really big achievement. I mean, for what idea could you encounter so many negative comments?

I got what I wanted

Goodbye

I think the lesson here is clear:
Never express an unfunny opinion again. And a place where you can learn to fly a helicopter.

[north furnace]

@delicate slate This thread is useless now and basically bait, can it get closed? Thanks

[normal root]

Rip OP died of death

[tight blade]

Having a minimum rank of 15 to fly helicopters.
thats fine

Inability to switch teams if a helicopter explodes at the start of the game.
no point

Ability to report a teammate in the death menu if they cause a helicopter to explode at the beginning of the game.
report them for griefing

Receiving a helicopter ban (7 days) if they repeatedly cause helicopters to crash.
horrible idea no game has ever done that how else will they learn

[violet venture]

Unironicly I would agree with op, let's gate keep all vehicles for those that can use it. But also unironicly that would be terrible ans stupid thing to do, so we shuld not

[normal root]

Yes do it please

[abstract bay]

tbf those who are not skilled at flying helicopters are just punishing those who are skilled by wasting it, and are punishing their team

[charred owl]

Again, how else will they learn, it’s like saying “oh well you shouldn’t play engi because you’re gonna miss all your RPGs and punish the team as a result”

You can extend that logic to literally anything, really

[abstract bay]

🤷‍♂️ a environment that doesnt effect others on their performance probably, like a practice mode similar to "squad" with helicopter practice course

honestly too many times have i spawned on a helicopter just for the pilot not understanding how to even lower the rope

or willing to listen in general

[tacit palm]

Cant rpg your teamates besides they can use the FUCKING littlebird

[charred owl]

but you can miss the tank, which will then proceed to wipe out 15 more people

it's a scary philosophy to follow, I get the sentiment, really I do

but just gatekeeping people ain't it

[abstract bay]

🙄 whats the point of wasting an RPG on a tank when you can instantly kill it with C4?

[tacit palm]

In that situation your team can do anything but if you are in a blackhawk piloted by a noob you can and will not survive

Difference is that against a tank you have atleast a smidge at survival but in a black hawk piloted by a noob death is 100%

[charred owl]

I have a saying for that... "gg go next"
Sure it might just be my own philosophy of "its just a game, I literally do not care what happens" but I just don't like the idea of heavily gatekeeping people.
We can put down a flight tutorial, make them pass a course, that I am entirely fine with.

[abstract bay]

im not scared to call you a fucking idiot for wasting our teams resources ntm my K/D because you dont know how to fly a helicopter

[charred owl]

oh no, not your precious KD

that should be a non-argument, really

[tacit palm]

Not gatekeeping, saving frustration of players

[charred owl]

aka gatekeeping, you literally want "you're not good enough, you don't get to try"

Again, I get it, I slightly sigh whenever it happens too, but preventing even the attempt is just something I can't find healthy for the game

[abstract bay]

its like waking up one day and saying you want to be a carpenter and attempt to build someone elses house with 0 experience and then expect them not to complain when their house falls over

[tacit palm]

This same philosophy of not gatekeeping or having a requirement for a task that has effect on others is entirely idiotic

[charred owl]

A "flight school" kinda tutorial that needs to be passed would be ideal.
If someone wants to fly, they can do that and get the ropes.
If someone doesn't, then we can move on

Of course they won't be perfect and will still fail, but it's at least better than "lmao no"

[abstract bay]

wow you really can nail something into someones head

[charred owl]

I detect text based sarcasm

[tacit palm]

Ok so if they pass the school and still crash they should get punished

[charred owl]

No

[tacit palm]

Why not?????

[charred owl]

I'm willing to call this a false analogy because comparing a real life scenario that could cause actual fatalities is not comparable to breaking some polygons

[abstract bay]

i think an admin should survey every pilot 24/7 to tell if they are brain dead or not

[violet venture]

Not true, really. RPG is not a team asset, just a individual one. You sucking with it affects only you

[tacit palm]

If they crash after doing a tutorial they are obviously trolling

[charred owl]

(shh, let me live in my dream world of actual teamplay)

[charred owl]

"You've been in the shooting range, how do you not have 100% accuracy"

[abstract bay]

next time i hop into a noob helicopter and die, i will jump off a bridge to prove you wrong

[charred owl]

shit, you got me, gg

[abstract bay]

EZ end of argument, stay mad

[tacit palm]

No a better anology is you went in the shooting range for 10 minutes how do you not know how to shoot

[small swift]

i mean the solution here is just put vehicles in practice mode lmao

[charred owl]

human error can and will always exist, obviously if someone is purposefully wasting the resources because they think it's "haha funny", yeah report the shit out of them.
But if someone crashes out of a genuine mistake, shit man give them a break

[tight blade]

only if it was that easy

[small swift]

IDK why do people even need to like ban unskilled players who cant even practice

[abstract bay]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-shocked-ashtonished-astounded-explosion-gif-4927161

[tacit palm]

Honestly, if you crash after doing a whole ass tutorial there is more than human error at play there

Human nature is accidentally bumping a wall

Human nature is not flying into the fucking ground and exploding

[abstract bay]

most choose not to practice and thats an issue in most games that have sort of complicated vehicle physics

[charred owl]

A tutorial is a controlled enviroment, getting shot at by an RPG while bleeding out is something entirely different

I would not and COULD not fault someone for making a mistake even after doing a tutorial

[small swift]

my whole sentence wasnt even caps lul

[abstract bay]

i would know, i used to be a RS2 helicopter pilot and would play resort 24/7

[charred owl]

because a tutorial isn't an "we expect you to have mastered this mechanic" thing

[tacit palm]

We arent talking about being shot out, im talking about running the heli into the ground

[charred owl]

which has happened to me! I'm maybe a mediocre pilot, I don't fly much but I can make my rounds

but sometimes I just fucking shit myself and crash

[abstract bay]

thats an easy fix, put AI in the training coarse

[small swift]

the only game that i played that had report for unskilled players was LoL and they removed it

[charred owl]

dunno if that's really worth doing

it's a long ass walk for a short glass of water

[tacit palm]

If you have a tutorial and then ability to practice and still run into the ground and team kill a bunch of players you SHOULD be punished

[charred owl]

so what if I accidentally run a humvee into a river because I made a misinput?

should I be reported?

[small swift]

why would you punish someone who had an "accident" or got clipped by a big hitbox of a tree or building?

[abstract bay]

multiple crashes that arent involved with getting damaged by the other team should be labeled TKs and maybe put a timed helicopter ban

[small swift]

the only you should get punished for is like literally intentional stuff

[tight blade]

YES due to being a bad driver!!

[violet venture]

It is. Make them client side. Now you can have them in shooting range, can have skins, customisation and propably even better physics

[tacit palm]

Like i said, you scratch a tree or a building not run into the ground and fucking explode

[normal root]

What’s goin on here

[small swift]

like ive seen chopperpilot like literally got an accident on some of his game should i report him?

[charred owl]

a surprisingly well behaved discussion

[tight blade]

only if it was like flipping a switch

[small swift]

i guess i should

his skilled enough

[normal root]

Impossible. It involves helicopters

[small swift]

but killed his team mate

[charred owl]

there aren't enough insults being thrown around guys, lets fix that

[abstract bay]

people ending on the same conclusion while arguing for no reason

[charred owl]

@tacit palm I hope you stub your toe on a shelf tonight

[violet venture]

It requires some time,yes, but it needs to be done. Better sooner than later

[normal root]

Guys just be good at helicopters like me

[tacit palm]

I hope you step on the sharp part of a lego with bare feet

[normal root]

It’s not that hard bruh

[tight blade]

then it wouldve been done with how many times its been asked for

[charred owl]

how fucking DARE YOU

[abstract bay]

i hope you have a nosebleed while your sleeping on a new pillow tonight

[violet venture]

Doubt. You prob know why, you are here long enough

[tacit palm]

I hope your back gets itchy at the part you cant reach

[abstract bay]

😳 ow shit

[tacit palm]

So your solution is no punishment for TKing?

[small swift]

if its not intentional no

if it is yes

intention bruv

but i guess intention doesnt matter

ill just report chopperpilot for greifing on every accident

[tacit palm]

You think every mod is gonna go through every report

Make it easy by giving the tools to perform a task properly

And if they arent able even after the tools they should be punished like a warn or a heli ban after repeated offenses

[abstract bay]

govern the ungovernable by banning all vehicle users that dont have a positive K/D

problem solved

[normal root]

If we are punishing heli pilots for fuckin around and dying then we should punish infantry who don’t contribute to the team

[small swift]

like some snipers?

[normal root]

Precisely

[tacit palm]

Not fucking around, TKing

[abstract bay]

like most

[normal root]

then punish team flashers

[tacit palm]

Ong

[abstract bay]

lets punish everyone

[normal root]

Yknow what

That’s a good idea

[small swift]

might as well

[normal root]

Punish everyone

If they aren’t going 50-0

[abstract bay]

fr

personally i think we should just remove players entirely

lets refund those who suck at the game

completely uninstall the game for them and return the funds

[charred owl]

I hope you forget to close the fridge tomorrow...

[abstract bay]

🙄 theres nothing in there anyways

im poor

[charred owl]

yeah but the power bill will rise >:D

[abstract bay]

who says i even have power?!?!?!?

[tight sandal]

Wow you guys care a lot about this. Glad I'm not that uptight aboutanything! Tbh, some of the most funny moments I've had recently were in a noob piloted heli. Only time anyone talks in voip any more.

[mystic sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159509815610048563/1187181427318599720/Replay_2023-12-19_22-25-47.mp4?ex=65a868dd&is=6595f3dd&hm=37e13025969875da88c054a079b8c805b5b35139c877e1705e7883ded63bf04d& lmao so funni

[tacit palm]

People who dont want any sort of punishment for tking even after a tutorial are the people tking

[celest ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-gif-20942945

[willow spade]

Accidents happen, no need to ban people or “punish” them for crashing a helicopter in game on accident. Plus haven’t seen any helicopters get crashed on purpose so far. Im rank 80 and still crash from time to time when getting shot at, It happens. Plus the game needs constant new players, banning them or applying restrictions may not be the best option.

[tough kite]

If they added a heli tutorial to unlock the ability to fly helis thatd be good

[nimble cloud]

Braindead suggestion

[abstract bay]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-saying-randy-marsh-south-park-s14e14-crème-fraiche-gif-23114913

[tall apex]

These are great suggestions

[neon glade]

also.. you don't drive a helicopter

you fly one

🤓

[brisk moon]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-meme-speech-bubble-bubble-gif-25115885

[thorn pagoda]

just make it so they can learn to fly the helicopter in the shooting range

[full ibex]

this post is hot garbage

[small root]

this isnt just an easy fix though, it will take significant time

im sure oki is aware of the issue but its probably not high priority enough right now

[tacit palm]

We found the TKing griefer

[full ibex]

?

[full ibex]

?

[tacit palm]

People who dont want punishment for people who tk are the ones who do the tking

[charred owl]

I haven't TK'd in a helo before so what does that make me

[north furnace]

Punishment for tk is obviously needed, BUT against people who do it on purpose, not by accident because they don't have any other way of trying

[ruby moss]

A better option might be to have helis instantly respawn if they explode under the following conditions:

• They did not cross territory border or a minimum distance from the spawn point
• They did not take any damage from the enemy team.

[violet venture]

Don't mind him, he seems to be delusional and not well in mind

[woven kestrel]

This is about to be another inertia thread isn’t it?

[charred owl]

Proof of this can be found in his about me

[charred owl]

No because the overwhelming majority is against it

[woven kestrel]

I mean in terms of comments

[charred owl]

78:6 in ❌

[charred owl]

I Hope your pillow is warm on both sides tonight

[violet venture]

Fuck, i fell for the bait

[woven kestrel]

Tbh i’d need that given how cold it is

[charred owl]

Well then I hope your favourite snack reaches its expiration date

[woven kestrel]

But yeah literally nobody is pro griefer, we just don’t want newcomers punished for making what could be honest mistakes

[charred owl]

Like god damn, I crashed a helo into Waki Bridge while flying under it because I fucking sneezed

GG report me, deserved ban tbh

How could I sneeze in this highly competitive environment

Literally trolling

[brisk moon]

I've never seen anyone fly under the bridge

[elder tulip]

Surely we can detect that on your mic and then quarantine you at base for 10 minutes until the sneezing has stopped

10% of medic classes are held back in reserve to staff these hospitals

[tacit palm]

Get baited, i will now masterbait you

[normal root]

i love master baiting

[tacit palm]

I hope the next time you go to a friends house and ask if they have a charger for your phone and they say “yeah” then when you come there they actually dont have it and you didn’t bring your own charger and your phone is about to die

Actually i hope next time you are having a really good conversation you say “yeah” to something completely inappropriate and it becomes awkward but you have to spend the next 5 hours with that person

[jaunty shell]

What about just add a place like the shooting range where you can try to ride and practicing piloting? Wouldnt it be less toxic and gatekeeping?

[delicate slate]

It's planned to add vehicles to the training range

[tacit palm]

Add to range then if you still crash get punished

Ez as that

[violet venture]

How? Making them client side?

[zinc linden]

what does rank have to do with being able to fly helis? you can get rank 30 in a couple of frontline games

[tacit palm]

Rank 30 means that they have atleast a little bit of game time and enough time to practice flying in the range (when it gets added)

[zinc linden]

anything that punishes players without breaking terms of service is a horrible idea
if you jump into a heli make sure that the rider knows what to do

[tacit palm]

Thats so dumb, your logic is basically “if you dont want to be tked off spawn dont spawn in the heli”

[zinc linden]

or open your mouth in voice, if you don't get a response then exit the vehicle

I agree though it's pretty troll trying to ride a heli without knowledge at the start of the game but I don't think punishment is the way

[tacit palm]

If there is no repercussions for newbies who cant fly fly 20 people into the ground how are they supposed to learn

Like genuinely a question

[zinc linden]

give them advice in chat, I still have to tell people everyday that they are not supposed to lay mines on top of teammates

[tacit palm]

Works on paper

Ingame i do not think so

Atleast here in eu there is a language barrier and 99% of the time people dont listen to voice coms

Or text chat

[distant obsidian]

Just add vehicles to the testing place or a helicopter tutorial

Should fix all the issues

[small swift]

let them keep playing it if theres no training ground

thats how i learned how to fly a heli

LUL

punishment should just happen if its 100% intentional tking

[silver remnant]

This post its a hate letter to the least experienced players

[north furnace]

Op admitted it was bait

[neon glade]

by... continuing to fly?

[neon glade]

we who do that do it on purpose

[tacit palm]

fly, just not the blackhawk

[distant obsidian]

Hey it’s easy to drive

Tbh littlebird is harder to drive but it’s more appealing to beginners

Cuz it’s faster

[normal root]

❌

[distant obsidian]

It’s harder to drive littlebird

[normal root]

imo ❌

[distant obsidian]

It’s a lot faster

[neon glade]

why?

[normal root]

hawk worse to fly cause you fuck up your momentum = boom
meanwhile lb you can correct faster

[distant obsidian]

A lot faster, movements and tilts faster

[neon glade]

speed isnt really a factor in difficulty to fly

[distant obsidian]

Meh

If it’s a map with tons of buildings

It is

I love being a heli driver

[neon glade]

buildings do not go high enough to where it matters for new players learning to fly

[distant obsidian]

Blackhawk is just easier if you want to learn how to turn and how to control tilts

[neon glade]

blackhawk is harder if you want to take full advantage of them

like blank said above

it bleeds speed easily

[distant obsidian]

You don’t want to go fast as newbie

[neon glade]

why?

[distant obsidian]

As newbie driver you want to learn how not to FALL

[normal root]

obviously not

you dont even know the term

smh my head

[distant obsidian]

I do

[neon glade]

speed helps with that

[distant obsidian]

Guh I am a newbie

Making good progress so far

[normal root]

then why you talkin

🧠

[distant obsidian]

Cuz I have an opinion..?

[neon glade]

speed gives you the ability to gain altitude easily

[distant obsidian]

Not professional but an opinion.?

[normal root]

whitename detected
opinion disregarded

[neon glade]

speed gives you the ability to not fall out of the sky via rpg

or other weaponry

[distant obsidian]

My first heli that I drove was littlebird

[normal root]

same

[neon glade]

mine was blackhawk/ka60

[distant obsidian]

Well uhh.. it did not go well..

[neon glade]

blackhawk is better to fly than ka60, it feels more manuevrable which i havent done any tests but it also has better visibility

[distant obsidian]

I did not understand how tilting works

So uhh, I kinda tilted to the side and crashed

[neon glade]

if you watn to relive that experience set yaw to mouse x and roll to A & D

[distant obsidian]

I don’t want to relive that

RIP those teammates who thought I knew how to drive

[neon glade]

alternatively you can
A. pretend you dont know how to fly and try risky stuff that may blow up your helicopter
B. people complaining so intentionally crash the helo

[normal root]

dont tell him meta keybinds

[distant obsidian]

I think my fav map to drive around is uhh

I forgot the name uhh

Something sun related

Desert city

[neon glade]

sandy sunset

[normal root]

sandy

[distant obsidian]

Yess

[neon glade]

that was the map where something inside of me awoke

and i became a blackhawk main

sandy is amazing for helicopter gameplay

[distant obsidian]

I love to see people using heli as quick taxi for only themselves

I revoked enemy littlebird rights cuz some goober parked his helo right in front of me

[normal root]

thats what i do often

[distant obsidian]

I know right

[neon glade]

i hate snipers who do that
once on old wine some sniper flew barely 200 meters out of spawn to camp and snipe on the top rock, so i drove over with a jeep, climbed up the rock, and just stole the heli back

[normal root]

i hate sandy

[neon glade]

sandy is pretty good all around but tank sniping is annoying

needs more inaccessible terrain for ground vehicles

[full ibex]

i fly heli when i get sick of pvp so i join a tactal team and i would be there personal pick up and drop off

[neon glade]

i fly heli to pvp

[normal root]

i hate sady

[neon glade]

i love killing littlebirds

[normal root]

89-1

[neon glade]

that was my doing

[full ibex]

people get really salty about the little bird

[neon glade]

it will easily die to a blackhawk

[faint fable]

people in this game take flying REAL seriously apparently
good to know, i won't even bother

[neon glade]

were the equivelant of people who talk about gun stats and which gun/attachment is better

except we dont have actual stats

[distant obsidian]

Buh not even much caps

Smh

Anyway, how the hell do heli drivers drive BACKWARSS

[neon glade]

pitch nose up

use landing camera

[normal root]

fly backwards

[neon glade]

pay attention to instruments

by instrument i mean the HMD as thats the only working one

pay attention to descent rate mostly

[full ibex]

no no well yes but every time ive crashed a black hawk we always be like oh nooo doctor and stuff it would always just be fun and no doubt someone blasting some music making it better

[neon glade]

also learn how to fly without relying on the hmd

[neon glade]

someone aws talking about blackhawk down shit in my helicopter
we got killed by an lav
its a fucking curse

super 6-4 went down

[distant obsidian]

I guess I kinda did that..? Idk what HMD is

[neon glade]

helmet mounted display

[full ibex]

have you ever been the heil drive in the black hawk and you got a team that is only eng with repair tool

[neon glade]

the green stuff

if you freelok ti travels with your haed

[distant obsidian]

Oh this thing

[normal root]

if someone asked me what i aim with using my littlebird i literally couldnt tell you

[distant obsidian]

I can kinda fly without it

[normal root]

its all muscle memory

[neon glade]

ok so this is fucking horrible video quality but

[full ibex]

so every time we got shot by a tank or anything we would be healed in a insent

[neon glade]

the bracket looking icon is 0 roll 0 pitch

[distant obsidian]

That’s a picture

[neon glade]

the plus icon is where your nose is

[neon glade]

from a video

[distant obsidian]

Oh ok

[neon glade]

and the semi circle thats dashed is roll angle

[distant obsidian]

I really only use the tilt thing

That’s it

[neon glade]

which im not sure should actualylb e present

the symbology is only really sueful for hovers

[normal root]

only thing i use from the hmd is the altitude

and even that i use rarely

[neon glade]

just match the crosshair in the middle of the bracket

or for A/A combat

you cn match the middle heading marker to an enemy target, the central roll angle (assuming low roll angle), in between bracket, or on crosshair

thats where gunners can aim straight ahead

[distant obsidian]

I never used armed littlebird

Cuz I am just that unlucky and can’t grab one

[neon glade]

armed littlebrids overrated

but do you know how to read altimeter?

[distant obsidian]

Idk what y’all r on about, I just fly and do thick stuff

[neon glade]

do you know how to read this

[distant obsidian]

I just work as taxi driver for people and as long as I am at the high rating, I am good

[distant obsidian]

Oh this

Yeh

[neon glade]

ok

thats all you really need for bakcwards flight

if the m/s number is positive and youre abotu 100 meters or higher youre good

[distant obsidian]

I wish they added helicopters to the testing place

So you can just fly around and practice

[normal root]

no

[neon glade]

learn from in game

[normal root]

gatekeep helis

[distant obsidian]

And don’t ruin life’s of ur team

[neon glade]

yse

gatekeep helis

fuck bad hlei pilots

😠

[neon glade]

why?

its funny

[distant obsidian]

I just camp heli pods withh my friend

So I always get a heli

Not armed littlebird for some reason

Idk they just never respawn

[neon glade]

which heli?

unarmed littlebird, blackhawk/ka60?

[distant obsidian]

Unarmed littlebird, Blackhawk

Whatever spawns first

I can drive it

[neon glade]

erm akshually its flying

[distant obsidian]

GUH

[neon glade]

for blackhawk make sure you use landing camera

its more important

than in littlebird

[distant obsidian]

I barely ever use landing cam

[neon glade]

its good for

[distant obsidian]

I simply can’t come up with a use to it

I just drop off people with a rope, I don’t need to land

[neon glade]

• seeing below you
• backwards flight
• air to ground

3 and 1 are the same thing

[distant obsidian]

Meh

[neon glade]

plus air to air when youre maintaining distance

if nything id say its mroe etrimental for landing than for combat

[distant obsidian]

I just sit in vc with gunner and he tells me everything

[neon glade]

gunners cant tell you what they catn see

and its faster to just see yourself

[distant obsidian]

I worry about only 2 things when I fly a helo

1st thing is

RPG

[neon glade]

speed & situational awareness is all you need

[normal root]

i spawn in armed LB waki
he doesnt get kills
he uses it for transport
i tell him to kill people
he tries, fails
fucking dies

[distant obsidian]

2nd is

My inability to fly

I fly quite decent but

Sometimes things happen

[neon glade]

define flying good real quick

[distant obsidian]

For me flying good is

Going quickly, doing objectives, not crashing and actually being useful to your team by deploying them in good spots

I mostly fly to help my team

[normal root]

for me its 100kd games

[distant obsidian]

Not myself

[neon glade]

solid definition

you need to fly erratically to avoid death

and

sometimes

crashing is good

usually it isnt intentional but leads to good outcome

[distant obsidian]

I almost always have a friend that repairs my helicopter if something happens and if I am really low, I fly to the base

[neon glade]

you will die often before repairs

[distant obsidian]

I mean.. there was only that one time

And we don’t talk about that one time

[simple solar]

mfw people don't relies huds are on helmets nowadays

[distant obsidian]

I only use the hud in the middle

The one that helps you with tilts

And stuff

That’s it

Rest is optional

[neon glade]

huds

are still

where they used to be

[simple solar]

never heard of an HMD?

[neon glade]

helmet mounted displays are HMD's or HMCS

or whatever other abbreviation you watn to call it

[simple solar]

an HMD is a hud.

[distant obsidian]

Wait

[simple solar]

just... on a helmet

[distant obsidian]

Make a pilot helmet for every class

Frfr

[neon glade]

why

[simple solar]

ask airforce for pilot helmet

[distant obsidian]

Cuz I mostly fly helos

[neon glade]

so?

[distant obsidian]

I want to have an actual pilot helm

Cuz I luv piloting

I tried flying a helo once

I could not stop

I found happiness in this game

By flying helos

I can’t play the game without driving helos

And if I am not driving

I am deploying from helos

In conclusion

helos

[neon glade]

no

[brisk moon]

only 300 messages less than sniper trails, keep it up guys

[normal root]

Honest to god skill issue

[simple solar]

a skill issue for wanting a pilots helmet?

[normal root]

No, a skill issue that he can’t play anything else but heli

Even I’m not that addicted

[simple solar]

he followed that right after.

[neon glade]

skill isue

[noble steeple]

"drive a helicopter"

[slender drift]

This could be solved by having vehicles in the shooting range, which I think is a work in progress? Because I know that when I was a new player I was scared of flying helo's because I didn't know how and didn't want to kill everybody. I still haven't really touched them (because I mostly play in servers without vehicles) but it would be nice to be able to practice with them in the shooting range.

[small swift]

i just practiced on a map where theres a lot of them

isle has like 5 helis

6 if you capture that island

[distant obsidian]

Wait what

Interesting 🧐

[small swift]

yeah 3 black hawks

1 transport lb

1 attack lb

isalnd has that transport lb

ive seen games where some of the helis are untouched

they rather spawn on the land part than the base

so i practiced there and now i can fly a heli. i can fly but cant do what those LB players do tho

also this is on conquest mode

dont do it on invasion kek

[lilac hornet]

This is so toxic lmao

[normal root]

This thread is a bunch of people arguing whether or not 50% damage reduction is real or not

[north furnace]

Op admited this was a bait 💀

Can we ignore it and spam Inertia instead? Oh wait

[normal root]

Thought this was the other thread

This one is the “punish noobs” thread

[vale topaz]

Yep

[small swift]

He only said that cuz he got downvoted to oblivion

[ruby moss]

This ain't Reddit.

Making Vehicles instantly respawn if they get destroyed after never taking enemy damage nor leaving spawn zone is a good enough fix.