#gun changes

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storm geyser
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-nerf hipfire on dmrs, they should get a damage reduction as well
-pp19, starting pistols, honey badger overall needs a buff
-ssg69 is nearly useless, not sure what to do with this one honestly
-unica should penetrate helmets
-mp5,f2k could use an extended
-sg550, pp2k dmg could be a bit higher
-groza quick mag
-as val reload time should be reduced
-m249 should probably not have 100 bullets

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lmk what u agree and disagree wit

ancient lodge
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Don't even need to ask why.

shrewd folio
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  • dmrs hipfire is fine, just their close range dmg is too good
  • snipers need a general overhaul
  • can agree on this, hb needs its velocity reduced (same for val) to be more stealthy (bulletcrack when the velocity is over 350m/s) but other buffs are needed
  • the uniqua is obviously not supposed to be the 1sk on headshot sidearm (deagle, rsh are)
  • starting pistols are fine too, if you can click fast enough
  • the as val needs to reload quicker? even quicker than 1.9s? groza is also fine, it got 2nd best ttk but no recoil
  • the lmg should not have 100rnds?
storm geyser
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sure lmg can be lmg but on top of the exo helm with proning + bipod it seems egregious

shrewd folio
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what did the lmg player do to you?
you walked into their los while they were already set up yet decided to start blasting anyways?

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does this issue stem from sniping?
if so you should've thrown the ultimax in there, not the m249 HyperXD

storm geyser
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no i dont snipe

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groza reload is too slow 2 me

shrewd folio
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then what
how did you fuck up

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assault...

storm geyser
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if they are prone and all you can hit is their face it seems stupid w the amount of bullets they have

shrewd folio
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also the thing has dumb ttk and even dumber recoil, literally 3nd best in the primary category

patent yacht
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3rd best ?!

storm geyser
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cant it not have a quick mag option?

shrewd folio
patent yacht
ancient lodge
shrewd folio
patent yacht
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recoil is non existent either way

storm geyser
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pp19 is pretty bad and needs buffs

shrewd folio
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absolutely

patent yacht
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and lets not forget about the aug for a perfect example of insanely good recoil

storm geyser
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3 would be ssg/aug tho

shrewd folio
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everything else on your list seems like it's coming out of a rather butthurt place tho ngl

patent yacht
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supports can honestly take a L for once in my eyes every other class so far has take them outside of support

storm geyser
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no not rly ive just spent a lot of time listening to streamers and friends and putting them down on a list

patent yacht
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rather they got the option of better guns for a faster playstyle

storm geyser
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right

shrewd folio
storm geyser
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they need to either have good armor or good guns

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cant be both

patent yacht
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support literally never sucked

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not even on release

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the fuck you on about mate

shrewd folio
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you don't wanna tell me that bad guns + bad armor makes up for a fine class do you

tropic stump
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Support took the l from the start compared to other classes.

storm geyser
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not both

patent yacht
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care to elaborate

storm geyser
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on top of their grenade ability its pretty cracked

tropic stump
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Medic and speed engi

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Assault was in a similar situation prebuff

patent yacht
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both you can reliably drop in a few shots while support has hella rng armor

tropic stump
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Support got buffs from buildables and new guns actually being good.

patent yacht
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you got LMG's that are insane for beaming whole squads

storm geyser
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and they can refill grenades like crazy

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its funny but stupid

patent yacht
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the l85 is one of the most fun things to run on a fast assault kit and highly effective aswell

shrewd folio
# storm geyser either one is fine

guess what
everyone who runs support seriously runs it as light and possible
heavy armor at least, normal is imo the only viable way
and the only actually good weapons i can think of on support are the l86, rpk and ultimax (and fal but battlerifles are just not for the classic support role)

tropic stump
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Grenades was like the one great thing support had before.

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I run heavy armor exo helm

storm geyser
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most supports i run into run exo

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idk bout u

patent yacht
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support is the most handheld class when it comes to a 1v1 situation

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and you cant tell me its not

tropic stump
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Shoot their legs and they die the same.

shrewd folio
storm geyser
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generally punishing headshots doesnt feel right to me

patent yacht
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ye im gonna go against everything my brain tells me and gonna shoot a lower body extremety thats harder to hit while the support can beam my chest with a l86

storm geyser
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but if they have worse guns bc of it thats fine to me

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they have too much atm

shrewd folio
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"ok lets remove leaning 🗣️"

storm geyser
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thats the compromise im willing to make

patent yacht
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give us back lean spam and watch this discord fall into a frenzy

storm geyser
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lmao

tropic stump
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I still see people try to lean spam fights.

patent yacht
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movement is still effective

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in fights

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they just made it harder to do wich is a good thing imo

tropic stump
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It’s like cs and their crouching cooldown.

storm geyser
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lean spamming is braindead easy to do when they have keybinds set to their a n d

shrewd folio
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yk what, there are huge ass arms in front of the "armor"
and shit's compensated for by one of the easiest things ever, aiming down
and it's also quite easy to just much through their armor
most of the time you don't get them "because of armor" you wouldn't have gottem them otherwise

tropic stump
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Slows down the more you spam crouch.

storm geyser
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thats probably why it happens so much

patent yacht
shrewd folio
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you could also just spam the buttons individually lol

patent yacht
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with how the armor currently works

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you are just talking out yo ass

shrewd folio
patent yacht
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sure

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but armor rework belongs in a diffrent discussion entierly

storm geyser
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settle down fellas

shrewd folio
tropic stump
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Ak5c doesn’t have any magazine options

storm geyser
patent yacht
tropic stump
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It was ass when it first dropped and is still mid even after buffs.

patent yacht
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there's just not real reason to play it over anything rn

shrewd folio
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magazines need a rework in general
looks at 60rnd rpk drum that should actually hold 95
looks at extended hb mag which adds a whopping 3 bullets
looks at fal extended mag which no longer lets you see the difference between ass aim and gun recoil HyperXD

tropic stump
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Don’t forget the ak-15 40 round extended is actually a straight downgrade in all stats compared to the 45 round extended.

shrewd folio
patent yacht
storm geyser
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rpk is busted it doesnt need any buffs

patent yacht
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But yeah in general the mags need a massive rework

shrewd folio
storm geyser
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its still very strong

shrewd folio
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sure but velocity is mostly a qol thing anyways
especially for guns supposed to be used at range

patent yacht
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Considering the rpk is 545

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It's not supposed to be used at range at all

shrewd folio
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tf you getting that from xD

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it's an lsw/lmg

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ofc it's usecase lies in "accurate" f/a ranged capacity

patent yacht
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And now think about how they scale everything down in this game

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and they aint very accurate either

shrewd folio
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i'd like to have a source on that ngl

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yet still, the velocity should be higher
even just for balancing sake
it's basically a bigger ak74 yet it lacks its velocity and it's also not on par with the other lmgs/lsws

patent yacht
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i'd love to dig it out for your but im on my phone rn

shrewd folio
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ok...

patent yacht
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its fairly easy to find tho

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you can most likely just google it yourself

shrewd folio
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didn't find anything on wikipedia about it (the effective range that is)

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and i'm not that much of a gun nut to search up other sources

patent yacht
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5.45 is on average slightly slower than 5.56 nato and about 300-400 meters out of a standard AR15 pattern rifle is what you can expect

rustic falcon
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"as val reload time should be reduced" brother...

patent yacht
rustic falcon
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"ssg69 is nearly useless" oh no brother...

shrewd folio
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and what does that say about 5.45 now?
you have given no real comparison there

storm geyser
shrewd folio
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oh i overread the pp2k and sg550 buffs you proposed 💀

rustic falcon
shrewd folio
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fuck no

storm geyser
patent yacht
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That it has about more or less the same effective range as 5.56 wich is very well known to top out around 400 meters in military accuracy

storm geyser
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its god awful

patent yacht
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Do I need to translate to German or smth?

patent yacht
shrewd folio
shrewd folio
patent yacht
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I'm down for it

shrewd folio
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yeah nah

patent yacht
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That would be insanely fun to play

shrewd folio
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180ms ttk

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at that capacity, reload speed, ads speed, movement speed, recoil

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just nah

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even worse than pre nerf vector
like fr

storm geyser
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pp2k reload not great

patent yacht
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Finally arena shooter vibes with faster ttk

shrewd folio
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ttk is already fast af what

patent yacht
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Ye that's what I'm saying

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It would be insanely fast ttk with quake type movement

shrewd folio
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150ms on the scoop
92ms on the fal with a headshot
200ms on the vector
189ms on the mp7
and so on, that's already ridiculously fast

shrewd folio
patent yacht
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Idk sounds fun to me

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Would it be fair

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No

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But would it be fun

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Yep

shrewd folio
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i think there's a reason devs like to fuck over people with updates (cs)
or just outright tell their community how fkn dumb their ideas are (hakita, ultrakill)

patent yacht
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Ohh for sure

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Never claimed it's a good idea

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But it would be hilarious for a few days

shrewd folio
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but anyways
the rpk should definitely have higher velocity to be in line with its peers

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wouldn't even be unrealistic in the established logic the game has

patent yacht
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But unneeded balancing wise

shrewd folio
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not really unneeded lol

patent yacht
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I do belive it is

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The gun does just fine as is

shrewd folio
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well yeah but it'd just make sense

patent yacht
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Why give it a buff to further extend its range and make it Sven easier to use

shrewd folio
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have you tried using the ultimax before the velocity buff tho?

patent yacht
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I don't play support much anymore

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As I nowadays focus on rush and stacking consecutive wins

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And support isint very suited to that

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So last I played ultimax has to be few months ago

shrewd folio
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well, it was a pain to use at range before the velocity buff
(and you can feel it on the rpk too, a longer ranged gun for this game - supposedly at least)

patent yacht
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Then again in this game support isint really meant to engage at a distances much over 150m

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That Falls into the dmr role

void bolt
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20% right 80% wrong

shrewd folio
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looks at my 197m m249 kill and 204m ultimax kill xD

patent yacht
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Cool I've also killed ppl past 300 meters with assault rifles

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But that's not their intended purpose in this game now is it

shrewd folio
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yet lmgs are supposed to be used like that 😉

void bolt
patent yacht
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I give up keep believing in it

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Idc

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Buff support to high heavens for all I care

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The game is dying either way sadly

void bolt
patent yacht
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Mhm and now compare that to how it used to be

void bolt
patent yacht
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Just realistic

inner granite
patent yacht
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Especially for the folks from AU and Asia region

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They are allready running into trouble finding filled servers

void bolt
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doesent matter the game

patent yacht
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Yet those servers used to be filled aswell

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Keep ignoring the obvious signs all you want

void bolt
patent yacht
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Now ignore the peak from the free to play weekend and there you are

void bolt
patent yacht
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Yep just keep posting the same screenshot cuz you don't have a actual argument

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Average clown

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no downwards trend guys

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not at all

prisma cape
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Launch hype

patent yacht
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launch hype plays a massive role for the spike

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same for the free weekend

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but its doesnt chnage that players numbers arent rising but rather slowly declining

prisma cape
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After free weekend spike you can see a slow increase

patent yacht
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ye and you wanna know why that is ?

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steam sale

rustic falcon
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population stabilized not dead

lime ruin
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looks like a slight upward curve to me

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steam sale or not, it shows that there is
1.) interest
2.) stable returning player counts

rotund bison
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Good luck queing a match in OCE, Asia, or Japan

void bolt
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Thank god japan oce and asia arent real

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