Modular Vehicle Destruction please

[wanton badge]

Let us be able to disable tracks, ruin engines, break windhields, disable vehicle guns etc.
There's currently a "Our vehicles are made of paper!!!!" and "Vehicles are so broken!!" type of faction war.
If we had modular vehicle destruction, I think we could safely change vehicles to be more durable, while at the same time making skillful use of anti vehicle weaponry just as, if not more valuable.

But the most important part: We can stop people from driving off in spawn vehicles

We currently only have rear rotor blades on choppers being modular, and with Oki confirming that the spotter part of tanks will be destructable too. Would love to see that carried out to the other vehicles in greater effect too.

[whole jay]

agree, but you should be able to fix the broken parts on any vehicle by repairing it past a certain health amount like 90%

[wanton badge]

Yeah, having it be repairable would be part of the deal. What if for each module, it would kinda have a separate meter you would repair, or is that too much busywork?

[whole jay]

nah seems too complicated to me. imagine being an engi and having to run all around a humvee just to get it moving.

[urban turtle]

it might actually be fun to do that

[whole jay]

sure but most of the time you are trying to repair a shot out track or wheel is in the midst of combat

[urban turtle]

it's hard but it'll be a nice feature

[whole jay]

if overall repair speed is increased greatly it might be balanced

[urban turtle]

yes

[whole jay]

but how it stands currently very few people actually repair ground vehicles and making it even more difficult without much reward doesn't seem like a good idea

[urban turtle]

hmm, actually true.

[wanton badge]

Yeah, its so frustating and feels so pointless to take the repair tool now (after they rightfully nerfed the repair exp). A tank gets a mild slap and panics and rushes back to spawn. Camera pan to me running behind the retreating vehicle with my repair tool screaming at them to let me repair...
While its a different discussion, something should really be done to spawn repairs or something to encourage vehicles to get repaired by engineers instead of playing defensively in the backline because they want to be close to spawn repair...

If we had tracks being disabled etc it would be harder to retreat to spawn due to slow vehicle which indirectly would make repair tools more valuable though.

[thin relic]

As far as this is intresting take, this is definitely very realistic concept.
We are talking Squad/Arma level of Milsim games.
It doesn't fit in a fast paced ardacy game with a lot of C4 and RPG's.

For Hardcore mode, yes, very much needed thing

For current BBR it would just break the game, and given amount of potential damage sources would maje vehicles unplayable

[vivid vine]

heat rpg does no damage to tanks apart from tracks and from engine hits 🙏 🙏

[void sigil]

Why would arcade players care? They dont have to engage with vehicles. If the gunplay/movement is arcady, but everything else isn't, whats the problem?

[thin relic]

Why those that play vehicles in BBR exactly for tier more arcady (BF style) feel wouldn't care?

[wanton badge]

But doesnt BF have engine disables and stuff?
I haven't played soul-less AAA FPS games for some time so I thankfully dont remember.

[thin relic]

And most importantly, slapping on very realistic mechanics on super fast game with a lot of damage tool will create inherit dis balances in gameplay, making one side og it bad and not fun to play. If you copied Squad vehicles in to the BBR, no one would touch them, because single HEAT would be a death esentence with 127 players with c4

[thin relic]

It does, but only critical hits, that limit, not remove, your mobility. BUT most importantly, BF has 32v32 players max, not 254 when everyone runs with C4 or RPG or both at once.

[wanton badge]

But... we have rotor disable already

[thin relic]

The players numbers make a BIG difference

[wanton badge]

Oki has already confirmed that we will have Tank Spotter also be destructable

[thin relic]

I have never seen or experience rotor damage by anything else then enviroment and pilot fault combo

[wanton badge]

In all fairness, I just want a way to stop people from taking spawn vehicles.

[wanton badge]

You lack game hours/heli hunting/piloting then. It happens a lot, especially with LAV and RPG hits
That's what happens when a heli goes spiralling down.

[thin relic]

But that's ONLY spotter seat, no one uses it anyways

[thin relic]

You mean tail rotor or main rotor

[wanton badge]

Tail rotor, sorry

[thin relic]

Oh yeah

[wanton badge]

I use the spotter seat a lot

[thin relic]

It is like that

It sucks tho and needs buffs, tail rotor that is

To easy to destroy, even with random lucky shots

[wanton badge]

Needs to be easier to destroy with bullets, and harder to destroy with LAV tbh.

[thin relic]

Whenever I play tanks, I very rarely have someone on spotter seat, and IF someone uses it, he doesn't use mic

That's EU for you

[void sigil]

Well eventually Vehicles will have modular balance so the larger the server, the´more advantages the major vehicles have

[thin relic]

First time I hear about that

Any context?

[wanton badge]

I honestly don't think it will ruin gameplay in any way.
Its just hyperbole reaction.

If you could buff a vehicles total HP with 50% but add modular damage, it would honestly make combined arms play way more fun imo.
Ofc, C4 needs to be removed from classes/reduced the amount they can hold, but that's a change that needs to happen regardless. Devs are completely insane on their "every class should have anti-vehicle capabilities". Its just a bad, stupid take.
Hitting weak spots would reward skill, and its not like disabling an engine would disable a gun. I dont even care if vehicles can move (slowly) with a disabled engine.
Disabling tracks/wheels is a great way to stop people from stealing spawn vehicles, which is a HUGE deal, and can win/lose games.

The problem is that right now, you have tanks/LAVS playing like pussies because they get taken out so easily. Thats why we have tanks sitting in spawn zone/near spawn zone.
There is NO reason to carry a repair tool since they just run back.
This isnt about nerfing vehicles, its about enabling more varied, engaging play for vehicle users and counterplay.

[thin relic]

So you want to turn vehicle gameplay 180 degree, very probably making it worse than it already is (detracking is 1000% death sentence with this amount of players), just to make people unable to move jeeps you spawn from?

right

I have some better solutions for you

Use squad rallies

Call for implementing dedicated spawn vehicles (PS2 Sundered)

Explore vehicle squad lock ideas

No reason to totally rework whole gameplay loop, that may or may not improve the expirience, just to remedy something that's with current itteration os squad spawning is a no issue

[wanton badge]

ok

[void sigil]

No, i meant if such system were to be implemented

[thin relic]

So no one ever said anything about it?

[flat wagon]

I think this would be a must for the future. Would make the game stand out a lot too

[flat shard]

ah i see battlebit war thunder

[spice hamlet]

Well, vehicles didn't mean to be team beacons.. Lack of good places to respawn (to not slow down the gameplay that much) should be solved some other way.

[clever valley]

Yes