new squad system

[ornate nest]

In my humble opinion, which seems to be reflected by every single player and talk to the new squad system is kind of a failure because it doesn’t encourage the filling of squads. It’s singles people out by themselves so you end up with 15 squads that I’ll have one person in it.

[crystal mason]

it does encorage full squads so you have as many people to spawn on as possible, but everyones stupid so they dont join half full squads

[errant ether]

#dev-wip message

Took oki like 5 minutes to cobble this together and it's absolutely useless; it's entirely just clutter and a waste of time.

Could of gave us something like party queing, instead we got this shit smear that everyone just spam clicks the default squad so they can play. It's like having two rule confirmation windows to go through before getting to play.

[crystal mason]

im yet to hear a single vc usage in a tactical squad

[errant ether]

Doesn't fucking happen because they've killed off their milsim playerbase, in favor for a more casual game.

[crystal mason]

tbh this game isnt methodical enough to have one, dk what the game was prerelease tho

[ornate nest]

I’ve noticed that and it’s a real god damn shame call of duty has to poison everyone doesn’t it

[mild lance]

Well yes, there are few of us left who really support the main idea of the game, but seeing that he continues to pamper arcade players and of course later he is complaining that the game is not what he wanted, it's like... what are you expecting brother ? Let him make the game slower if he wants, he has the necessary content creators to re-promote the game if necessary, but what does he do? add more random things and then complain that the game is not what he wants... bruh

[ornate nest]

This game lives and dies on its community, keeping it propped up, giving the community more options and freedom for server control should be what they’re trying to achieve, not forcing us to play the game they want us to. It’s a part of why battlefield four still has active service right now.

[mild lance]

Basically turning it into a sandbox shooter (like Arma 3 or Enlisted) and it would be a good idea... if it was accepted by both him and the arcade players

[ornate nest]

I don’t understand how that’s not the discussion being hard right now

[mild lance]

I didn't understand your message hehe

[ornate nest]

Basically what I’m trying to say is if this game would like to number one stay relevant and grow it’s player base number to keep that player base, satisfied and returning they need to a give more options for server control be put a more constricted version of whack, the squad system should prioritize filling squads only, spine timers, need cut in half along with the option for server owners to remove them entirely. The in combat system needs toned down. Or removed entirely. There’s a lot of simple things that they can do to go back to the older version of game Flo that this game used to have them trying to artificially slow the game down. It’s frustrating the player base.

[plain sluice]

"arcade" player here I fully support giving server's more freedom to make the game what they want for their players

[ornate nest]

That’s my whole point about this entire conversation we can’t choose to get rid of spawn timers. We can’t choose certain versions of maps because of game size if I want to use an eight player version of a map for a 256 player game I should have that choice.

[plain sluice]

The thing I can forsee happening tho is the more milsim focused servers being entirely dead

Just how it is with the "hardcore" servers right now allready

[mild lance]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1182474154822336512

[mild lance]

I confirm this, if Oki turned his back on all those who supported him in the first years... the best thing would be to make it a sandbox

[plain sluice]

I mean let's be entirely real here

The success and hype this game saw on release did not stem from milsim / hardcore players at all

we saw that very clearly by who was getting tons of views on twitch etc.

[ornate nest]

Maybe if a pound of C4 actually did a little bit of damage or if grenades weren’t fire crackers, or if RPG’s weren’t just bottle rockets, the milsim community would be around more explosives are always severely under powered in pretty much every single video game

[plain sluice]

For good reason as they take absolutely no skill to use

And in the games where they are very strong they are hated for that exact reason

Perfect example there would be tarkov

And their grenade launchers

You allready get matches devolving into RPG spam on normal servers where they don't do exceptional amounts of damage

How do you think it would go if they had a massive blast radius

[ornate nest]

You cannot possibly have a milsim game and have explosives be this week. This is not a trade-off that can go back-and-forth. It’s the same way with guns of the same caliber doing different damage. If you would like to have milsim, these things are mutually exclusive.

[plain sluice]

Sure

[crystal mason]

A its not milsim

[plain sluice]

And then you can also throw game balance out of the way completely and end up with another dead game

[crystal mason]

B theyre broken as fuck already

[ornate nest]

C4 is not broken. It is super weak, especially for the amount displayed in the animation. That’s about a pound of C4. I eat enough to level a fucking small house not only get a hit marker when it’s at your feet.

[crystal mason]

pipe down buddy

[plain sluice]

I get your point but the issue you run into with guns having the same caliber doing the same damage eventually ends up with everyone playing the exact same 5 guns

[ornate nest]

It’s not my fault that’s how guns work if you want to do that maybe don’t have real firearms in your gun game and it would make some kind of semblance of sense, but when you have two guns that are both 762 with no difference in barrel length firing the same ammunition with the same green wait in the same powder load they should carry the same kinetic energy on target

[plain sluice]

Yes but guess what it's a game

[crystal mason]

this game isnt realistic it does not matter

[ornate nest]

Certainly tried to advertise itself as that, and started that way when you freaking higher operator, Drewski to advertise your game people are going to expect a certain level of milsim number one number two this is way off topic of the problem with the new squad system

[plain sluice]

If you'd like more realism you can always play suppression simulator also known as modern squad

[ornate nest]

Too bad you have to work for fucking NASA to run it

[plain sluice]

Oh wait that game is also not realistic

And way over blows the weight of weapons

[ornate nest]

Oh it’s fine I’m just on a laptop that’s like fucking seven years old

[plain sluice]

That's a riiip

[ornate nest]

Weight as in like Carrie wait

[plain sluice]

Weight as in you cant even fire a m249 saw while standing last time I checked

Something we have literal combat footage of being done constantly

[ornate nest]

Yeah, exactly as it should be you do not fire an M249 standing up

[plain sluice]

Read

[ornate nest]

Yeah, I saw guys do it for maybe a 10 to 15 round burst and then they egress to a new location it’s not something you’re gonna do consistently

[plain sluice]

Nahh there's only combat footage of a saw operator beaming half his belt down a road while standing

[ornate nest]

They also have the thing feeling from a magazine and the M2 49 does not do that. Yes you can stick a magnet but you will have to write the charging handle every three rounds.

[plain sluice]

Realibilty on the mag feeding is iffy

But that comes mostly down to the magazines being fucking ass

[ornate nest]

Word

[plain sluice]

Especially those surefire 60 rounders...

And I don't even wanna talk about their quad stack 100 round abomination

[ornate nest]

I’m angry because they’re half the price of airsoft magazines like how the fuck