Tec-9 (Automatic Pistol)

[hallow hearth]

//Stats//

Unlocks at lv50

Damage: 24
V-Recoil: 1.25
H-Recoil: 1.0
First Shot Kick: 1.0
Muzzle flash: 0.8
Control: 0.75
ADS: 0.25
Sound spread: IDK (same as the other pistols)
ROF: 900 bullets/minute
Draw speed: 1.0
Mag Size: 20
Running speed: 1.05x
Reload Time: 2.5s
Damage falloff start: 15m
Damage falloff ends: 40m

//Attachments//

Grip Attachments: No
Muzzle Attachments: No
Magazine Attachments: Extended Magazine (32)[Debuffs: Reload time +1.5s, V-Recoil +0.2, H-Recoil +0.25, Draw Speed -0.25, ADS +0.03, Running Speed -0.1]
Rail Attachments: Lasers, All Flashlights
Sight Attachments: Pistol red dot, Pistol delta sight.

It's like a slightly worse MP7

[rugged jungle]

but sidearm right?

[hallow hearth]

Yeah, a secondary weapon

See al the stats

[rugged jungle]

id like it

[hallow hearth]

Im thinking in more pistols could be added into the game

Like the P250

FN-Five seven

Automag V

Etc

[gray sluice]

...

[hallow hearth]

: (

[hallow hearth]

Sad

I only see 1 pistol

[gray sluice]

well...

2

fn57 and (berreta) m93r

[hallow hearth]

Oh, misrread

Thanks

[hearty grail]

Yeah tec-9 is not automatic
It is semi only
But wouldnt be a bad addition if its very spammable

[rugged jungle]

pf lied to me

[inner oracle]

Only if we kept the Google doc with all the listed guns

Don’t mind the suggestion for its stats
But weapon suggestions in general should just be removed
Usually low tier (I’ll give you this yours is better than most others) posts that contains nothing

[gentle crown]

Tec-9 is not naturally automatic but some people have converted them.

[deft night]

These stats would make it a weaker alternative to any other comparable sidearm. Has slightly worse ttk than others, and a much longer ADS time with no real advantages other than a slightly shorter reload (which isn’t that important for secondaries)

Unless being full auto counts (but the glock has that already)

[hallow hearth]

Is full auto

Read the title

[deft night]

I know it’s full auto.

What I said relies on that to make sense

[strong bear]

increase draw speed. secondary becomes kind of useless if u cant draw it quick enough

[hallow hearth]

Thanks I guess

[hallow hearth]

It's a secondary MP7, it's the perfect balance between power and weaknesses

[strong bear]

draw speed 1,5 take it or leave it.

[hallow hearth]

1.25

[strong bear]

1.3

[hallow hearth]

[hallow hearth]

No

Xd

[strong bear]

1.299

[buoyant steeple]

Ok so I decided to crunch some TTK number and here is how it is assuming all body shots.
All times are in milliseconds
Tec-9-
No Armor: 267
Light/Ranger: 333
Normal: 333
Heavy: 400
Exo: 467

Let's compare that to the Glock 18-
No Armor: 273
Light/Ranger: 273
Normal: 327
Heavy: 382
Exo: 436

Considering the Glock comes with a higher rate of fire which allows you to more easily compensate for missed shots I would go with the Glock

However boosting the damage to 23 would boost the ttk on Light/Ranger to 267 without affecting any other armor matchups

In my professional experience of being a Sweaty Tryhard™️ I do think 23 damage or a slightly increased headshot mod to reward accuracy would be best

at least in order to prevent it from becoming the MSR of the pistol world

[deft night]

It would

Armour matchups are not only how many shots it takes to kill to the torso, since the health pools for the player and armour pieces are independent

[hallow hearth]

Wow

Impresive

[hallow hearth]

Granted

[hallow hearth]

I upped the Damage per shot to 24

[wispy barn]

Unlocks at lv130

Horrible start

[hallow hearth]

Wich level you recommend?

[wispy barn]

110/100/90

[hallow hearth]

Maybe can be a lower LV weapon

[wispy barn]

The problem with 130 is that is too high and lower lvls need more love before moving too high

[hallow hearth]

Read, lowered the level to 50

[wispy barn]

💯

[hallow hearth]

Gud

If you see the Glock has better TTK against Heavy and Exo

[wispy barn]

As an introduction to automatic pistols is a very good choice

[fluid sundial]

beast gun +1

[hallow hearth]

Glock is more stable and the TEC-9 is more powerful but has more recoil than the Glock

[raven compass]

despite at this point being a compact smg

[hallow hearth]

Yep, but the SMGs and ARs are better choices in medium range

Lit the Tec-9 is your close and personal weapon

[buoyant steeple]

I should had that 24 would mean it would reduce the bullets to kill on people with no armor and no helmet by one with a single headshot

if it was released at 24 I could see a lot of the no armor medic tryhards complaining about but I do believe the slower draw speed would help balance it out.

[hallow hearth]

Yeah

[hallow hearth]

Ok

Read the stats

[buoyant steeple]

Yea I know

but yea somewhere between 1 and 1.1

[hallow hearth]

1

[buoyant steeple]

I should mention I am a medic tryhard but am reasonable about it and game balance.

[hallow hearth]

To compensate the good firepower

[deft night]

with damage upped to 24 it will have the best ttk of a sidearm

[buoyant steeple]

Yea maybe reduce the ROF a little

maybe like 850

[hallow hearth]

Yeah, that's why I will increase the recoil in both ways

[buoyant steeple]

IRL the ROF on those conversion varied a shit ton

[hallow hearth]

Making the close and personal weapon of the sidearms

[hallow hearth]

Yep, from 950, to 925 to 900

At least this chat are giving healthy feedback

And I like it

[buoyant steeple]

Yea those were the most common rates but some could vary from 600-1,500 depending on a shit ton of factors

It was mostly in the 800 to 1,000 range

[hallow hearth]

The glock has 1100 ROF if I remember correctly

[buoyant steeple]

But yea I do like the idea of an auto secondary that rewards accuracy and recoil control rather than just being a constant stream of Skill™️

[hallow hearth]

I'm trying to make the Tec-9 a more aggressive sidearm than the Glock, but less versatile to compensate that

[hallow hearth]

The Glock is more that the last resort weapon

[buoyant steeple]

you mean last resort?

[hallow hearth]

Yeah

Sorry if a writte bad some words

My ENG is sometimes good and sometimes goofy xD

[buoyant steeple]

Dude it is fine English is my only language and it feels like that sometimes

[hallow hearth]

Actually I'm trying to learn Portuguese

[buoyant steeple]

Ok I misread that I think

[hallow hearth]

I'm already speaking in Spanish, and English, now is time to learn a third language

[hallow hearth]

Brazilian for my homies

[buoyant steeple]

Anyway the weapon

[hallow hearth]

I modified the stats based in the feedback of this chat

The TEC-9 needs to be a alternative to the Glock depending of the class and playstyle

[buoyant steeple]

I would say the 1.25 may be a little low for recoil but we should get some other people opinion on it too

[hallow hearth]

Yeah, I need a primary weapon to get a point of reference

The first iteration looks more like a MP7

Remember there is no grip/muzzle Attachments

[buoyant steeple]

I would suggest not trying to compare it too much to the Glock though and focus on how/what makes it different

[hallow hearth]

So you can't improve the stats, and the extended Mag only adds debuffs

[slim vector]

mind sharing the link to that spreadsheet?

[inner oracle]

i dont have it anymore

[gleaming wing]

Can you guyys add some of these plz

[pale crystal]

it can be automatic easily but then the atf will be pissed

auto sears

[inner oracle]

those were just suggestions
chances are they wont be added at all

[gleaming wing]

None of them?

[inner oracle]

They’re just suggestions

[gleaming wing]

Implemented suggestions can make the game better 🤷‍♂️

[deft night]

ergo, #1170727258537865367

[inner oracle]

guns itself wont make the game better

specially when you add 100s of guns
alot will feel the same/have no personality

[hearty grail]

And many would end up being either useless or ridiculously overpowered

[gleaming wing]

Course but i think you guys should still add some guns over time and updates. For us gun freaks.

Like youve been doing anyway

[atomic mural]

Hm

[deft night]

Something nice would be a gun like the M16A2, which would uniquely force players to burst fire, which would set it apart from others imo

[pale crystal]

i think that should be added, low caliber dmr essentially with a higher fire rate for panic shooting at cqc