Limit Team Switching

[knotty bone]

I have observed countless players changing teams every couple of minutes. This is so they can see where the enemy is, flank, get a lot of kills, then change team to do it again. Make it so you can only change teams once per round or reset your K/D on the score board for that round upon team switch

[sterile prism]

Can't you just spectate if thats your theory lol? Am I wrong here?

[knotty bone]

I have spectated them. This is how I saw this.

[ember crag]

still pointless if spectator mode exists

[vital maple]

No

no one does this

Not an issue

only thing this would do is make it even harder to play with friends

you already cant change teams if your team is losing

[knotty bone]

then why do i see players changing teams 10+ times in one round?

[knotty bone]

to play with friends you only need to change once. not multiple times

[vital maple]

because ur delusional

and why is this an issue anyways?

[ember crag]

lmao OP reacting with clown emojis

[vital maple]

even if this is fixed you can just go into spectator mode to find enemies?????

[ember crag]

bro can’t look past his own opinion/take on things and consider another idea

[knotty bone]

youre probably one of the people that does this

[sand rampart]

you can only do this on community servers (and the first points on invasion on official I think). just talk with the community server owner of wherever you're playing and noticing this

[marble vine]

Sometimes you can, but I don’t know what it depends on. When I play Wakistan I constantly change the team to the one that controls point C to occupy the little bird. And sometimes this works out even if the gap is 200-400 points

Perhaps it was on community servers. I'm not really sure. It would be nice if someone could confirm

[sand rampart]

By default I believe community servers let you team hop whenever. On official it's only if you're winning or it's the start of the match. There might be some leeway on ticket count before it considers someone losing but I haven't tested to see if there are limits

[broken mango]

I think you can swap as long as the teams are even?

But still noone is abusing team switching lmfao

[grim idol]

what is this

[ripe basalt]

I used to team swap alot just to have a more entertaining match and less of a run through tbh

[sand rampart]

Even or winning would make sense

[ember crag]

Invasion you can swap teams however many times you like as long as you wait the cooldown

[charred timber]

In my 800 hours i have not seen this issue wtf are you talking about

[knotty bone]

I saw a player doing it last night. so wtf are you talking about

[sand rampart]

it's true though I've seen those cateat guys spam switching teams

[grim idol]

one guy lmao

[tiny juniper]

Unless community servers are different you can’t switch if your team is losing.

[charred timber]

One guy

= massive issue that needs to be changed

Read my message again

[knotty bone]

the one is the most recent example. I have seen sever other players doing it. Why are you so against this being changed?

[winter crescent]

probably bcos its a non issue and pointless change

[charred timber]

Because this doesnt happen

If you see someone cheat just report them

[knotty bone]

it does happen however. Next time I see it I will take screenshots

[ripe basalt]

in my 500+ hours i've not seen it tbh

[knotty bone]

never claimed they were cheating also

[unique crane]

screenshots won't be enough, you're going to have to record the activity.

[charred timber]

You literally did

????

So wheres the issue if they are not cheating 💀💀💀

[knotty bone]

I literally did not????

[charred timber]

.

[knotty bone]

I never said they cheated

[charred timber]

I have observed countless players changing teams every couple of minutes. This is so they can see where the enemy is,flank, get a lot of kills, then change team to do it again. Make it so you can only change teams once per round or reset your K/D on the score board for that round upon team switch

You literally did?

Thats the reason you created this suggestion????

[pure crater]

wants to make the game worse for normal players to solve a nonissue
”Why are you so against this being changed????”

[knotty bone]

if anything thats exploiting rather than cheaing

[sand rampart]

moukwa is definitely a team switch abuser

[charred timber]

Same thing in this context

[knotty bone]

not rwally

[charred timber]

But dont know anyone who has encountered this issue

[knotty bone]

look next time I see it, I will record it and post it here

[charred timber]

Thousands of hours playtime combined and not a single one

Post to reporting lawyers

Should they remove xp gain also? Because people can farm kills with friends in the enemy team?

[knotty bone]

Ill post it in both

[knotty bone]

delusional

[charred timber]

I have literally clipped people like that and sent to modmail but okay

[pure crater]

You have no right to call people delusional…

[charred timber]

This 💀💀💀

[ember crag]

I’ve xp farmed 360k and somehow I’m not banned

[charred timber]

Ban the few abusers instead of changing the system

[knotty bone]

Im sure this does happen but that is not the purpos of this thread...

[charred timber]

And you clown reacting me just proves you’re a dumbass

[charred timber]

You clearly dont see my point.

[ember crag]

he can’t look at someone elses idea and think “maybe im wrong”

[charred timber]

Yea…

Literally 2 similar scenarios

The main point is the same

Instead of changing a system, report the people who do that, not worth it to change something that hasnt been seen in thousands of hours playtime combined.

[knotty bone]

the main point is team switching repeatedly. Yeah i guess you could kill farm if for example 2 [Ether] players are going to opposite teams to do it

[charred timber]

That happened a lot on the early days

[ember crag]

not an issue worth changing if a tiny tiny tiny amount abuse
definitely and issue worth changing if a large amount abuse

[charred timber]

People trying to get a 100 kill game that way

[charred timber]

Tiny tiny amount of people who will get banned

And looking at enemy locations isnt that big of a deal since you can just look at the map and see where your teammates are dying

= location of enemies

You do not gain accurate locations

• you could literally have a friend stream their minimap even after this change so….

This ”fix” could be bypassed anyways

[knotty bone]

I did actually report the individual yesterday but in-game

[charred timber]

And they will likely get banned

If they can somehow prove it was used for cheating

Hard to tell if they used it to maximise their amount of kills by having constant spawn points in the action

Or to cheat

[azure marlin]

nah lemme team swap for that xp

[night herald]

This is exactly how catEat, 800exp, URL, etc. members consistently get ridiculously high scores. You can spectate most of their members who top-frag and this is exactly what they're doing. They die, look where their teammates are, switch teams, spawn nearby, wipe out 5-10, die, rinse and repeat. This isn't a theory, this is what's happening, and it's killing the game. This is a commonly cited reason why people have rated the game so poorly recently.

Others in game see it, too. These members are reported for exploitation but are never banned. Not sure why. Nobody who actually cares about the health of the game would be against changing this.

[dense forge]

🗣️

[rich solstice]

[idle eagle]

Well, as someone else has stated, one of the reasons outside of top frags is to not completely curb stop the other team
Those clans are pretty good, and they can easily overpower a team of unorganised casuals in a quick amount of time
So, they switch teams to keep it somewhat balanced (and byproduct is oftentimes high kills)
Are some mayhaps doing it solely for kills? Maybe, fuck if ik
Least damaging solution here is to limit amount of swaps per match and thats really it

[rich solstice]

Are some mayhaps doing it solely for kills? Maybe, fuck if ik
main reason from what i have seen. No care for balancing whatsoever

[idle eagle]

Either way, limit team swapping up to 3 times for example

And make teamwork on a smaller scale and allat actually work

And fix the 50 other issues that could circumvent the problem as well

[dense forge]

make frontline backcapping way harder

make objectives in frontline larger

[idle eagle]

Make it so that squad spawning works properly, make backcapping harder by proper map design, make it harder by promoting defending the capture point like giving points for staying in the spot and actually letting you fortify the spot

Better yet make cap points not a large fucking circle

[strong isle]

https://youtu.be/GEcUcDg7IcQ?si=EVGd6JujrcyW1Ka1

[runic cradle]

This you? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158548455506059395/1362281119638229062/image.png?ex=6801d2a8&is=68008128&hm=73a041c460d9b9f787dfdd0e160b11e1c1eba3606580d79a2346d30658997564&

“Everyone I dont like is in a clan and must be cheating”

Anyways this argument falls flat when people complain about clans playing on the same team/stacking as well. So damned if you do damned if you don’t.

[runic cradle]

Also this, games end too fast because “fallback” mechanics aren’t like rush’s where defenders actually have time to set up. And that’s not even accounting for the fact some layouts are hilariously one sided for both US and RU. Hell defending in general isn’t going to feel as satisfying when I cant even set up defenses on the point.. you know.. where they’re best utilized

[runic cradle]

Also, whilst we’re on this since the reports are public.

You also accused CAwar as well as the mentioned clans of cheating, also saying “these people are assholes and dont belong here”

You sound like a redditor and quite frankly this argument you make is nothing more than an emotional strawman, I would advise getting a better lawyer in the future as he clearly fucked you (along with your ex wife) during the divorce.

[wet jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-2088247993237804628

[versed elm]

Holy reddit yap

[runic cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/anything-else-anything-else-to-say-trash-opinion-mic-to-the-bin-mic-trash-gif-14239991437264505463 holy once again bringing no value to the suggestions channel and only hopping on clan hate

[robust lily]

CAAAAAAAAM OOOOOOON URL 💪💪💪

[versed elm]

You're so interesting.

[night herald]

Yeesh what an entitled prick you are.

No I don't use reddit, but nice try. If this is how the discourse surrounding a very real problem is, and the discord mods don't seem to see a problem with it, then maybe it's best this game really does die.

GG

Glad you got your dopamine hit shitting on some random stranger on the internet for having a concern with the game's health, hope that mindless gif reaction felt good bruh 👍

[rich solstice]

beef in suggestions

[night herald]

Yeh. All I said was that this was an observed thing top fraggers do and it's killing the game from where I sit. The only response is some uninspired pissing match from a guy who has way too many colorful roles on a discord server. Fuck me I guess.

[weary isle]

Is team switching stupid? Yeh when abused. Is argue with pepega pointless? Also yes. Does battlebits fate rest upon removing team switching? No, it has much much bigger issues than the remaining creatures farming kd in a fast spawn lobby.

[night herald]

Is pepega's whole approach to people who are genuinely trying to have a conversation something mods should encourage? also no.

You're a community helper FWIW, doesn't seem very helpful to the community.

[weary isle]

!modmail hit em up if you got concerns

[buoyant pond]

I need help, who to contact?

If you have any problem that related to the BattleBit (includes Discord, BBR Steam Forums), please:

• Direct Message @worldly charm.
• Select the correct category.
• Describe your issue.
• Be patient while waiting for answer.

If you can't DM ModMail, please open your DMs.

[rich solstice]

Just ping oki and tell him directly

[weary isle]

I am not here to agree with everyone my dude, I provide information I can and am still a player.

Team switching to farm kills is dumb

[night herald]

Then don't scold me for being the one trying to converse in a level-headed way.

[weary isle]

For my own understanding where did I scold you?

[night herald]

Is argue with pepega pointless? Also yes.

[weary isle]

Yeah cause pepegas a brick wall most times I'm amazed he made it a paragraph with outtalking about mil sim dads

[night herald]

Anyway, all I'm saying is that prone spamming and team switching and all of these other little tricks that those clan members commonly use discourages people from playing. You're either a sweat, or people call you a noob and give you a barrage of gifs. You're not allowed to enjoy the game unless you're investing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week into it. If that's the kind of community the devs want to cultivate then cool, their funeral.

And all of those exploits, collectively, are what's killing the community. That's my assertion.

[weary isle]

That, feels like so many generalizations based on discord alone, to which the development team looks at a whole lot more than the 13 people remaining in this discord

[rich solstice]

prone spamming?

[weary isle]

Right on, theres many changes being worked on to make the game more enjoyable for the majority of players, removing the fringe easy to exploit issues with the game.

And the developers do read the suggestion threads, even if they dont comment in em.

[night herald]

Hitting Z, going prone and shooting at the same time for every kill.

[weary isle]

Yeah getting nerfed into the ground

Gunna be great

[rich solstice]

ah that's what you mean
it's not really spamming tho

[night herald]

It is when you do it for every kill.

It's been referred colloquially as "prone spamming" elsewhere, I'm just reusing the term.

[rich solstice]

haven't heard that one before

[night herald]

Just refers to the strategy in BBR.

[weary isle]

From reading the discussion toastie you have discovered that, battlebit fundamentally has a massive stack of minor to larger irritants that make it difficult for most players to enjoy outside of those who dedicate a substantial amount of time to the game. Which is valid, and many many of them do contribute to the downfall of the playerbase. Aruging in a suggestion thread, is never worth it, for any game. Throw your opinion out, share your thoughts and disengage when people shit it up. Save yo sanity

Thankfully, players are not incharge of bbrs development, as, very rarely does a player know the solution to the pain they experience

[night herald]

That's correct, I'm still going to call out childish asshole behavior like pepega's though.

Getting really tired of the shift towards being a jerk and making it your own personality thing.

[rich solstice]

discussing the feedback instead of just throwing it out might not be a bad idea

[night herald]

Isn't that what I've been trying to do?

[weary isle]

Being a casual asshat isnt against the rules, but if theres something that does bother you, send it to mod mail. The mod crews some good nerds, and terminal does he best to keep the server from being a hellhole when he can.

[night herald]

And screenshotting a report I made and calling me a redditor isn't "feedback".

[weary isle]

Yeah hes, not worth engaging with at that point

[rich solstice]

i mean darths "throw opinions out and disengage"

[night herald]

Their profile said "toxic to those who deserve it", are obviously biased against any sort of feedback because they're a catEat member, etc. They're a troll who doesn't care about any sort of intellectual conversation.

[night herald]

Ah right, yeah. I mean I have the time to engage. And I care about BBR.

[rich solstice]

catcheaters are ruining the game

[weary isle]

Then you are going to encounter some bitter assholes who will never change their opinion, there aint no other way around it my dude. I am sorry

[night herald]

Yeah, so boot them 🙃 why do we just accept assholes should be allowed wherever they please. Seems silly to me.

Clearly they're not here to improve anything, quite the opposite. Just annoying that we're supposed to be alright with that when the game is so clearly failing.

[weary isle]

Send the issue to modmail, cause, none of us are mods

[night herald]

Fair enough.

[rich solstice]

i am a mod in disguise

[weary isle]

Shut up haro

[rich solstice]

thats why i know about the riot shield rework

[idle eagle]

You can have a convo with pepega, but tbh when you hear the "X clan are cheating/abusing" for the 5000th time it gets tedious having to convince them that the 1000 cuts the game suffered are the reason it died, and not some random bruise on the corpse

[night herald]

If it's tedious it means it's unaddressed. If many people are saying it, maybe the devs should listen. Even if it's not outright hacking, clearly a large amount of people feel something is off balance - and, more importantly, something that makes the game less fun to play.

It's probably super fun for catEat members to play (or maybe not, I can't imagine investing so much effort into one video game indicates general happiness but that's aside the point). But if that's all the devs are catering to then the rest of the community suffers.

[idle eagle]

Its more tedious for the reason of "this person is clearly biased and suffers from the severe lack of skill issue"
Which has been the case for the last year or so 99% of the time

[weary isle]

Imma throw this out here then dip, cause, i gave up argueing in suggestion threads long ago.

If the game isnt in a near dead state, the actions of 20 people aint going to fucking matter. Players working as a team is over powered, people who have never stopped playing the game are going to farm kills and it IS irritating, but it is such a small problem in the scope of the game.

Theres tens of thousands of players who never played the game long enough to even notice that 6 players are farming the lobby because they cant figure out how to spawn.

back to the grave with you thread!

[idle eagle]

Second, certain things arent really a problem

Such as drop shotting

Its honestly just a matter of aiming downwards and thats it

There is a fine line between "yeah this is bs" category and "yeah this player is just bad"

A lot of the time, it is the latter

[rich solstice]

you can see a problem in dropshotting without being bad

[idle eagle]

I mean outside of some goofed up animations, dropshotting isnt much of an issue as is

Not that it matters now since its being nerfed anyways

Either way, darth is right

Some of this wouldnt be a big issue if the game wasnt in a nigh dead state as is

Its only become noticable now

And lets face it here, yapping about issues occuring in this very moment is pointless

None of it is gonna make devs magically solve them out of the blue for the 500 people still playing

Sure they solved the ping issue but they wont be adressing much beyond that at this stage

Probably will start doing it again once an update drops

Till then, every possible topic has been beaten and has turned to utter dust in regards to BBR

It is simply pointless

[runic cradle]

Reminder, you necroed a 2 year old suggestion and only came to accuse everyone of cheating/“ruining the game” with this original accusation after doing it elsewhere.

I will happily have positive discussions with people, but you literally only came here, by your own admission in the last deleted thread, because you “got too heated over certain people you didnt like”

You dont get to be toxic, then complain that people are being toxic back in response to your toxicity. That’s not how life works.

[runic cradle]

FL in general needs overhauls, Team swap or not. (Let’s be honest, some of the points overlap anyways)

Vilaskis is testing those chances with new sandy’s FL layout. We’ll have to see how that plays out

In general team swap is so minor in the grand scheme of things because at the end of the day 1-2 people aren’t going to magically make the other team win. Same point made 2 years ago still stands. People get overfixated on it just as they do if we play together, or hell even “play on seperate teams, no swaps.” Not exclusive to us either. 1s1k gets it, URL, phycat even… I could go on but the horse is beyond beaten and bruised.

This being said, if oki were to allow in-house customization of team swap in a way that’s more than “cant swap to winning team” without doing something akin to what e4gl does to help with the teamswap issues (basically coding their own plugin entirely, bbr api my beloved), that would be a step in some direction that im sure most would be fine with.

or I could just post funny milsim dad image that you expected. Your pick.

[runic cradle]

Also lets be clear:

You literally throw insults at us then say you “don’t deserve it” after accusing everyone of cheating right off the rip and calling all the clans playing on a specifc server assholes. Then complain mods aren’t doing anything even though again YOU came here to instigate.

Refer to my first point, and what found said. Especially if you’re doing to others what you also claim to hate (people being an ass)

There is no reason to assume an argument is in good faith if its essentially “these guys are cheating and staff should ban them based on speculation, btw fuck these guys I hate them”

[versed elm]

Yeah that wasn't a jab at you, pepega is just really dense

[runic cradle]

Because you literally only post in suggestions to hate on clans, openly defend people who are toxic towards said clans, then complain that “clans are toxic”. Much like the other guy is doing when we clap back.

[versed elm]

I don't, but sure, go for it.

[runic cradle]

3 suggestions so far where you’ve done this. This being the latest one.

[versed elm]

I made this post?

[runic cradle]

You’ve inserted yourself into it just to add to the clan hate. I don’t think I need to say more here.

[versed elm]

I never mentioned clans once in this server lmao.

[runic cradle]

Sure, if you want to think that.

Either way, I don’t want this point to die because imo its a good one: change up FL in general, see what works for the mode, and by proxy you’ll likely have less people “team switching” for said reasons listed earlier (most boiling down to we dont want the match to end in 5 min)

Like I said even the bare minimum of having Rush’s fallback system (with a slight delay/chance for people currently capping points to try and continue to do so until they either fully cap it or leave the point) would go a long way

[versed elm]

Your mixing me up with someone else.

[runic cradle]

For the other modes, it’s mainly just a ticket thing. But the bare minimum system also fails and doesn’t account for team sizes, so this is something that needs to be accounted for in the vanilla system (aka the official) too if they plan to go that route. (And if anything that’s the main thing people notice more. The average team of 127 is going to beat the average team of 110 or whatever in the long run, even if the 127 team is currently losing.)

[versed elm]

Im really curious about when I mentioned clans or hated on clans...

[runic cradle]

You know the suggestions. Go find them. In the meantime I will see if the person im addressing wants to entertain an actual positive discussion here, which I have my doubts on, but invite it since that’s what he claims to want now.

I predict nothing will change and this will be the same “I hate certain group of people, make their experience lesser to mine because fuck them” in a months time, knowing past interactions with suggestions. I welcome anyone who I haven’t had positive interactions with in suggestions already to prove me wrong on this.

[versed elm]

Your mixing me up with someone else, i have never talked about clans, especially in a negative light. You made a claim and are refusing to prove it.

[runic cradle]

Literally 2 months ago, did the same thing because another guy was trying to insult clan guys and when clan people spoke out you sided with those who started the insult fest. Found can back me up on this.

Some clan stuff in gen chat around the same time frame.

And this suggestion.

Im not mixing you up with others. The proof speaks for itself.

I will say the same thing I said earlier: if you want a positive conversation, then there are better ways to do so besides “I hate you fuck you every name in book”

[versed elm]

What proof? You haven't given any proof!

Litterally go point it out, otherwise its hearsay and your just as bad as the people your claiming to be against.

[runic cradle]

#1324094170104594432 message

you did the same thing here too

I dont know how else to state the obvious. If you hate when shit turns toxic then the obvious solution is to not be toxic out of the gate and stop expecting people to just take it solely because “they’re a group of people I don’t like”

[versed elm]

Mhm. I sure did. You caught me!

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[runic cradle]

Yep, default to insult when pointed out you were defending people being toxic towards players you didnt like. Classic suggestion moment.

[runic cradle]

Anyways, this offer still stands. Take it elsewhere duck lets not derail the suggestion any further.

[versed elm]

Also I litterally said you weren't wrong? Like what?

Only thing I did was call you rude.

[runic cradle]

Let’s discuss it in off topic

[versed elm]

Good idea

[night herald]

I was pointed to this thread by a discord mod. But okay. I uninstalled BBR, have fun with your exploitation @runic cradle, you win.

[runic cradle]

like I said, the option to discuss it productively exists and you instead opted to rip out insults and accusations out the gate, by your admission of being “tilted”. But you hate when people do it back? Not how that works for any productive discussion that you claim to have wanted.

And funnily enough most issues you brought up have been discussed in such a positive way. Even in regards to team swap.

Seperate the issues from the player(s) who play.

[dense forge]

can’t you both just stfu

it’s not like anything will get fixed soon

[wet jackal]

ask oki

[runic cradle]

Oki not doki :(

Maybe one day though

[idle eagle]

Just 16 more months

Just a little more

[earnest flicker]

Never seen this happen

[robust lily]

Stfu poopbox