remove the zeroing mechanic for snipers

[last tree]

Sniping in this game shouldnt be anywhere near as easy as it currently is. The zeroing mechanic combined with rangefinder eliminates any need to learn bulletdrop, which is one of the main learning curves (for me, at least) when sniping in most games. Learning the traveltime of bullets and leading targets is the other main learning curve (again, for me) which is greatly minimized by just using the m200 with its ludicrously fast velocity eliminating leading almost entirely.

Just for a frame of reference: Ive spend hundreds of hours in pubg's shooting range learning the bullet drops for all the guns at various ranges, yet I've never gotten to a point where I could confidently hit a headshot at 300m. The moment I slap a rangefinder onto an m200, I'm hitting those shots like nothing. Its rediculous.

[shell epoch]

Fair point, but then we should remove bullet trails, and maybe Glint again

[last tree]

Bullet trails maybe, but keep the glint.

[shell vapor]

I feel like the bullet trail is a nice cosmetic addition

Since there already is sniper glint, theres no harm in revealing the snipers already visible position

[north oracle]

imagine this
||realistic velocity||

[shell epoch]

So.. If we, have bullet trails, scope glint & remove the zeroing mechanic.. What the point of even using a Sniper? It's now nerfed beyond ridiculous

[shell vapor]

Well I guess snipers are cool

[pulsar charm]

I don't like snipers but this wouldn't be a good way to fix the problem, it would be easier to just remove it, because I think a lot of snipers will just stop playing with it

[shell vapor]

Or just make it so camping is discouraged

Map changes might help

[shell epoch]

Snipers are supposed to camp..

[shell vapor]

Yea but nobody likes it

[south turret]

Literally all problems with the with snipers can be pinpointed to map design. lol

[shell epoch]

They are designed, to overwatch area's, to keep troops safe

[shell vapor]

Unless you're the sniper

[shell vapor]

It's not fun for either side

[shell epoch]

I mean, techincally, any of the LMG's should only work, when used with a Bipod.. Are they are area suppression weapons..

[shell vapor]

It plays like one of those "Sniper 3d" mobile games

[pulsar charm]

I don't mind snipers if the map has good cover or some points that are harder to get sniped out of the other side of the map

[north oracle]

getting shot ain't fun 😮

[pulsar charm]

the new dustydew is terrible because there is too many spots for snipers and terrible cover againt them

[shell vapor]

Not being able to do anything about being shot is no fun

[south turret]

Getting shot by a sniper is a skill issue.

[shell vapor]

Keep in mind you also have to take cover from other enemies

[north oracle]

"i can't do anything about that ar with my smg 🗣️ 😭"

[last tree]

most people that play sniper wouldnt hit those shots in any other game. Rangefinder literally tells you how much to zero the sniper to negate bullet drop.

[shell epoch]

I generally see it as, if I get shot by a Sniper, either I was in the wrong place, or they just have a good spot, and good aim.. (not including the 3rd party software idiots)

[shell vapor]

Also what's with the damage drop off on snipers

Why does it do more damage at long range

[shell epoch]

Because it's designed to NOT be a shotgun

[shell vapor]

Yea but why can't it be just a better dmr

[shell epoch]

therefore, it does more dmg, at longer range, meaning you require a tad more skill

[north oracle]

it allows for non hs kills at range so a slight error isn't just
"oh i hit him
i hit him..."

[shell vapor]

We live in the modern day

[last tree]

Id agree with that if rangefinder didnt exist

[shell vapor]

Rangefinder is pretty reasonable

[pulsar charm]

at >900m I really don't mind snipers having a greater damage, its not like people stand completly still all the time at this game

[shell vapor]

Bc it's supposed to be modern day

[shell vapor]

Yes exactly

[shell epoch]

For the shot, maybe, but, using a long range scope gives glint, so you can still be picked off by anyone, witha capable weapon

[shell vapor]

I think we can all agree camping is not fun for anyone

[south turret]

I love to camp it's fun for me and the guy who walked 1000m

[shell epoch]

While using a 4x scope, at generally 300-500m range, it's was nice to pop a Sniper at 1144m, every now & then.

[shell vapor]

I wish there was a way for infantry people to suppress snipers by shooting

[shell epoch]

You can when they are in range

[shell vapor]

Sometimes I might be shooting at the sniper glint and they still kill me

[shell epoch]

but AR's don't go to 1000m

[south turret]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laugh-lol-winkandpoint-spooky-gif-12686999

[shell vapor]

Not spawncampers

[last tree]

The problem is, that anyone is literally everyone. Statistically, that shouldnt be the case. Sniping is far too easy in this game which is why so many people feel comfortable using it.

[shell epoch]

I'm all for making it require a bit more skill, but, nerfing it to the point of being practically useless, isn't the way to go.

[shell vapor]

Sitting still in a corner doesn't take much skill

[orchid nova]

Still don't think range finder is the reason though. I used to play bf1 and even though there's no range finder you can still find a lot of players using them

[shell epoch]

Players sitting in an armoured vehicle (tanks), also does not take much skill, but it happens

[shell vapor]

Ehh that's a problem too

But its easier to deal with as compared to snipers

At least you know where the tank is

[shell epoch]

You also know where the sniper is, that's the point of Glint

and now, trails

[shell vapor]

Well you can't get to them very easily

Especially when they're in the back of their spawn

[shell epoch]

Then, the snipers on your team, aren't doing a good job

[shell vapor]

I don't know where the recon squads go but I don't think they're picking off the important snipers

[last tree]

Well yes, that is usually the case. Easier to kill people who cant fight back

[shell epoch]

When I'm sniping, I primarily go for other snipers.. I only go with close range people in front of me, if, it's easy, or I have nothing else to shoot at.

If you get shot by a Sniper at 1.5-2km, then you were standing still 90% of the time

[shell vapor]

You might also be taking cover

The bullet travels quite fast

[last tree]

It wouldnt be useless, it just wouldnt be braindead.

[shell epoch]

Yes, either way, you were going slow enough, for them to get the shot

[north oracle]

it'll take at least 1 second for the m200 at 1500m
even more for everything else...

if you're not able to dodge something with multiple seconds of warning before hand, with over a second of time to dodge then it's just a skill issue lmao

[shell vapor]

They might be on a flank

Or you could be reviving someone

[last tree]

So what do you suggest, run in circles the whole time? Take cover tje whole game? Switch to recon class so you can fight back- oh wait

[shell epoch]

Then you should drag them behind cover

[shell vapor]

You don't know which cover is safe

Snipers are usually at pretty impressive spots

[north oracle]

you know once you can't see the glint anymore

[shell epoch]

That's a learning curve, but most things are safe, if they are between you & them

Fences that have the blue cover's, are not safe

[north oracle]

and if flanking is no longer allowed then nerf as val, hb, p90 and literally every gun being used for flanking (nearly all of them)

[last tree]

Yeah you see the problem though? Taking cover from snipers takes more skill than being the sniper. Thats a little weird

[south turret]

All I'm hearing is that these people don't want to switch out their explosives for smokes.

[shell vapor]

You also have to deal with enemy infantry

[orchid nova]

Uhh, are smokes not a thing?

[shell epoch]

Honestly, it's not, if you have a rough idea where the shot came from, you can find cover from it.. Whether you're in range of that cover, before he can shoot, is a different matter

[south turret]

then deal with them.

[north oracle]

it's not lmao
just move your mouse while holding sprint + w and you're safe

[last tree]

All im hearing is you rely on recon class the whole game. Mr. "you-have-no-skill"

[shell vapor]

You have to deal with both infantry and snipers

[south turret]

I don't touch recon, im support main.

[shell vapor]

Explosives help a lot

In cqc

[north oracle]

you know what helps against snipers?
being in cqc

[last tree]

The average player doesnt control map design

[north oracle]

what does that have to do with map design?

have a working brain and move towards the nearest building

[shell vapor]

I don't wanna run a kilometer just so I can be in range of the sniper

[south turret]

lets nerf more shit because val isn't going fast enough.

[shell epoch]

Then don't, he isn't your problem

[last tree]

Yeah thats the problem. In a lot of maps, the buildings arent exactly prevalent

[north oracle]

oh so you're playing sniper

[north oracle]

there's enough cover everywhere

[cobalt summit]

If you're getting hit by 500m+ range snipers its your own fault, you're standing still and not paying attention to a giant lightbulb telling you you're being aimed at.

[shell vapor]

well snipers are like a thorn in the side

[north oracle]

don't run out in the open ffs

[shell epoch]

Building, cars, walls, pillars.. all of this can be hid behind

[shell vapor]

im pretty sure any self respecting sniper wouldn't just live inside their scope

[cobalt summit]

you're standing still, have you tried hitting a target that's moving eratically at 500m? its impossible

[north oracle]

BUILDING

[shell vapor]

well what if youre hiding from other enemies

[shell epoch]

+S

[last tree]

Theres snipers in every direction most of the time. "Get into cover" means building your own most of the time

[shell vapor]

even if you are moving, you can still get hit because they can lead shots

[north oracle]

it's easy and if there's one in every direction wtf are you doing out in the ope

[orchid nova]

Then again, use smokes

[cobalt summit]

lol, go in a lobby with a friend and ask them to jump around and sprint at 500m, you won't hit them

[last tree]

Which is obnoxious when snipers usually arent your only threat

[shell vapor]

most of the time you arent gonna be zig zag jumping around

it affects your aim and perception

[last tree]

Then you cant see the enemies in close range who kill you anyways

[orchid nova]

But they can't see you as well?

[shell vapor]

ive killed people using flashbang and c4

while in smoke

[orchid nova]

Ok?

[north oracle]

but you couldn't see them

[last tree]

Half of the enemies are snipers, the other half would be chucking grenades into your make-shift fort

[shell vapor]

smokes arent too useful for cqc

[north oracle]

this and the https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1190315105070628985 threads are just a huge skill issue

[cobalt summit]

?????????????????

[shell vapor]

yes explosives exist

you cant hide in the smoke if grenades are being chucked at you

[last tree]

Yes, sniping takes none of it.

[south turret]

Oh yeah I forgot about that one! Kek.

[north oracle]

do you play sniper?

[orchid nova]

For assault and support there are also trophy system?

[shell vapor]

i dont usually see that often

theres more important things for those slots

besides, the snipers usually destroy them

[cobalt summit]

you hide them behind walls....?

[south turret]

Doesn't hide his trophies..

[cobalt summit]

man, this is a "ive tried nothing and im all out of ideas" conversation

[shell vapor]

does it block RPGs as well?

[last tree]

Not mainly, but I have. M200 with rangefinder is braindead easy

[cobalt summit]

Some people can't cope with the fact that they're bad at the game and need a scape goat to blame so they go after the guy with the slowest firing weapon

[shell vapor]

Those people with the slowest firing weapons play the game like its "Sniper Elite 3D"

[last tree]

It becomes an issue when "that guy" is half of the players at any given time

[orchid nova]

Im confused, aren't the reason we are talking about using smokes is because of the "there's no structures to hide behind" issue? Then how would snipers be destroying the trophies if you can just like put them behind the structures?

[last tree]

Gets a little goofy

A tad silly

[shell vapor]

all they really need is a small pixel of it to be showing

also structures are regularly destroyed

Trophies dont provide many offensive advantages either

[maiden willow]

Let's just make the game an endless operation metro without snipers and vehicles

[shell vapor]

Even without snipers, i think its mainly camping that ruins the fun

[maiden willow]

And ban for camping ofc

[shell vapor]

I respect people who do infantry sniping, but people who sit in their spawn all day are scummy

[orchid nova]

But we are talking about using trophies to counter flashes and nades in the smoke? Which, snipers can't see through?

[fading steppe]

I support this

[shell vapor]

well you would have both your slots filled

which means you dont have an offensive advantage anymore

smokes dont help much in clearing a building

[cobalt summit]

so you're asking for a kit that's good against all classes in all scenarios?

[shell vapor]

There is no such thing

but if camping didnt exist

a kit thats good against most classes would exist

it would be balanced

[cobalt summit]

if a kit is good against all classes then its the best kit, then its not balanced

[orchid nova]

It takes one or two person to do so, and the rest of the team, which i assume you would be pushing with, can clear the building?

[maiden willow]

This dude just wanna be superhero

[shell vapor]

usually if its just 2 or 3 people i can clear the building with a few flashbangs and c4s

[last tree]

How would you fix this issue, out of curiosity?

[cobalt summit]

people who complain about 'camping' are the people who never defend objectives and instead rush off to the next shiny thing. 100%

[shell vapor]

it could be fixed by simply making it so snipers arent broken at high range

[shell vapor]

Infantry serves to capture points

infantry snipers or dmrs might defend

but people who sit in the back with a 40x scope are useless

[orchid nova]

And when you are in the buildings you're not threatened by snipers?

[shell vapor]

you have to face off against other infantry

also ur not too threataned by snipers

as long as you dont linger around windows

[cobalt summit]

I dont think so man, you can pile up kills on maps like wakistan invasion by sitting on the roof, building barricades and destroy the guys on the bridge. Obviously there are people standing around doing fuck all, but there are going to be pepple fucking around doing nothing useful in every match, its a video game.

[orchid nova]

Exactly, so how are snipers the issue, then?

[shell vapor]

snipers are an issue when you're not in buildings and trying to capture points

and its not just snipers

usually people who camp all the time are the problem

they never move around

[south turret]

Ban campers, esp all campers, kick campers who don't hold down W key all game.

[cobalt summit]

if there are 15 guys on each team playing tag at 900m and for the most part are ignoring you, how is this an issue?

[orchid nova]

And so smokes and trophy systems

[shell vapor]

those dont help against your main targets, being other infantry

[cobalt summit]

they're dealing with the other snipers, which would be shooting at YOU if they weren't pre occupied with each other

[shell vapor]

well theres the other issue of the sheer amount of snipers and campers

[cobalt summit]

then switch teams

[shell vapor]

since snipers are always well hidden, they almost never engage with each other

[cobalt summit]

they glow like fucking christmas trees...

[shell vapor]

not when they use 4x scopes

or if they actually have 2 braincells and dont live in their scope all the time

ive played sniper a few times and even i instinctively avoided being scoped in all the time

its actually fun to play infantry sniping too

just its not as good as assault

[cobalt summit]

they have glint on 4x?

[orchid nova]

But now we also have bullet trails in the game

[orchid nova]

Yes, but not that visible if you're not paying attention

[shell vapor]

if theyre using 4x scopes its likely they move around

[cobalt summit]

"if you're not paying attention" found the problem

[shell vapor]

and also i thought glint didnt exist on medium scopes?

[cobalt summit]

jesus christ

[south turret]

that change.

[shell vapor]

ah

[south turret]

🐴 ...

[shell vapor]

well at least i know where half the other snipers are hiding

[south turret]

Dude, don't you think you've embarrassed your self enough?

[orchid nova]

All this time you're not familiar with thr recent sniper changes?

[shell vapor]

"butt" i dont live in the game so dont expect me to know every detail of it

[cobalt summit]

?

[orchid nova]

Sorry wrong tag

[shell vapor]

i legit only bought this game to see what alternatives i can get as opposed to battlefield

ill say this game is better than battlefield in everything, except for graphics (not much of an issue for me), and the camping problem

[teal talon]

"Ive spend hundreds of hours in pubg's" "I could confidently hit a headshot at 300m" xDDDDDDDD

[cobalt summit]

if you're new to a game dont you think you dont have enough experience to identify if something is aproblem?

[shell vapor]

well ive played a lot of other similar shooter games

none of them have as bad of a camping problem as battlebit

[cobalt summit]

battlebit also has a movement set that makes 'campers' far less effective

its more that you aren't using the tools available than it being a problem

[shell vapor]

Based on the playstyles i have for other games, i expect to be able to fight close quarters engagements fairly

without the crutch that is a sniper hiding in a hill 1000 meters away

[orchid nova]

Why should the same playstyle work in every game?

[north oracle]

go play cod if you want close range snipers lmfao

[shell vapor]

I dont like close range snipers

i like fair and equal fights

a camper is unfair without even hacking

[alpine island]

It's not normal that snipers can kill at a distance of 1000 meters just by aiming at the head

[south turret]

Camping is a valid strategy.

Everyone should camp.

[shell vapor]

camping is valid when its moderated

when you actually move around

[south turret]

Memememe.

[shell vapor]

theres a difference between camping and a bit of covering

[cobalt summit]

it sounds like you dont know the map layout dude, once you know where players tend to be you'll get picked off by stationary players less, to the point it becomes negligible

[stiff ore]

Damn this is one the most brain dead takes I've seen in a while

[south turret]

Staying perfectly still to not get detected is a valid strategy.

[alpine island]

I'm not against camping, but the mechanics just don't make sense, considering that you just need to aim at the players and shoot

[cobalt summit]

you just described a gun

[shell vapor]

i have tried avoiding big open spaces, but i find that they can be legit anywhere

unless ur protected all around, i dont think there is a good safe spot

[cobalt summit]

it depends on the map and the mode, i felt helpless at first too, you'll learn.

[stiff ore]

Youre acting like all you do die to is snipers when it's probably a very small portion of your deaths @shell vapor

[shell vapor]

it is a small portion of my deaths, but when it does happen, its incredibly annoying

[south turret]

Homie has a tendancy to not check his corners.

[shell vapor]

you cant examine every window in a 50 window building in 1 second

thats about the time a sniper aiming at that exact corner needs to pull the trigger

[stiff ore]

Skill issue then don't see the problem you're bound to die by many weapons in lobbies this big

[cobalt summit]

oh man you should've been here before 75% of the windows had shutters on them

[atomic vine]

that would happen with every weapon

also yeah, I forgot we didn't have shutters before

[shell vapor]

they also dig tiny brick size holes in the wall

[cobalt summit]

ya pick axe best kit lol

[shell vapor]

its not too big an issue with other weapons because theyre close enough to see

[fading steppe]

just make it so you can't see the range finder number while scoped in

[stiff ore]

That's part of their kit lmao

[atomic vine]

my man AR's and LMGs can do so at 300 meters pretty easily, a more dedicated person can do it at 500 meters even

[shell vapor]

yea but they dont instakill

[orchid nova]

How's that going to work if you can't pin point the spot?

[atomic vine]

2-4 shots is not alot bud

[cobalt summit]

75% of my deaths are from running towards a building while my camera is swaying up and down from running and not noticing the 4x4 pixel block on my screen is a dude with an smg and he deletes me. Super annoying, but it isn't 'a problem'

[north oracle]

lmgs don't work out to 300m and they have damage fall off 💀

[south turret]

Lol, I can see it coming "Nerf The pick-axe, kill holes too powerful "

[shell vapor]

releasing Q or E is pretty fast

[north oracle]

yes, easiest way to deal with snipers

[atomic vine]

why not, people have two eyes, its just mimicking your other eye being able to read it while in game you are focused in the sight.

[shell vapor]

they can instakill you

[atomic vine]

if you peek once, don't peak that spot again for a bit, a sniper is prob watching you for a good 10 seconds before moving on

[orchid nova]

Headshots only

[shell vapor]

at long range

[shell vapor]

i usually peek corners for info

[cobalt summit]

and they're dogshit at close range, that's the trade off

[atomic vine]

they would have to prefire you so hard. don't peak the same spot.

[shell vapor]

which means the only way to use a sniper is at long range

[north oracle]

why are you standing still in the open wiggling around with a glint on you?

[shell vapor]

you cant always immediately see the glint

[atomic vine]

I use an ssg within 100 meters pretty often, its not that hard.

[shell vapor]

im talking 1000 meters

where snipers instakill

[atomic vine]

ok learn wear snipers like to be, let me tell you most snipers that like being at that range are in the same damn spots

[orchid nova]

At 1000 meters snipers should not be your concern

[shell vapor]

its always those big buildings with a bunch of windows

[cobalt summit]

If you are standing still, and in the line of sight of sniper at 1000m then your positioning is bad dude, no other way to cut it.

[atomic vine]

they would still need to prefire you, peak for less than a second, and dont peak same spot

[atomic vine]

ok what fucking map are you talking about

[stiff ore]

There are very few maps that actually allow 1000m shots ngl most maps allow maybe 600-800m shots at most

[atomic vine]

Maybe sandy? 1k from a building with alot of windows to E?

cause I can't think of any other map where those buildings give that much of a sightline

[shell vapor]

isnt that often i get killed from 1k meters but when it is theres always the l96 or m200 with 40x scope

[cobalt summit]

no you're getting killed at 200m with the L96

[atomic vine]

ok? so....don't go where they can see you?

[shell vapor]

how would you know where to go

unless you hide in the buildings the whole time

[atomic vine]

if they are actually at that distance, there is plenty of spots to avoid sightlines

[shell vapor]

they can also be in the grass, bushes, or small buildings with holes

[atomic vine]

my man at that range, there is very few spots where snipers hang out. don't run in a straight line all the time, and you will be fine unless you get really unlucky

[cobalt summit]

no body with a 40x sits in bushes my man, they also dont shoot from holes in walls, they lay down so they can use a bipod. you are conflating multiple things here

[shell vapor]

well i dont really main snipers so im not too sure how they work

[atomic vine]

my man sees a glint in narnia, dies to a much more reasonable sniper, and just assumes

[north oracle]

then don't comment on their state with such concrete examples

[shell vapor]

its from the times i have used snipers

[south turret]

Do you have any hours on sniper at all? Maybe you should play a little bit of it before commenting on shit you don't know about.

[north oracle]

just leave it at "i don't like snipers but i'm new so idk"

[shell vapor]

ive played sniper as infantry

[atomic vine]

what

[shell vapor]

not sniper as in camper

[atomic vine]

...what

[shell vapor]

like actually playing the game like its a movement shooter

[south turret]

[shell vapor]

not sitting in spawn all day

[atomic vine]

ok....?

that has to do with this...why?

[south turret]

If they don't play the game they way I want them too, that's a problem!

[shell vapor]

snipers dont work that well in closer ranges

which means they have to camp

[atomic vine]

no shit

they do not have too

[shell vapor]

and if youve ever fought a camper you can tell its not fun

[shell vapor]

most of them do

[south turret]

I fight campers all the time, and have fun.

[shell vapor]

and how exactly do you fight an enemy thats 500 meters away looking through a brick sized hole

[orchid nova]

Counter sniping is indeed fun

[atomic vine]

my man an actually camper is a dude in a corner with indestructible cover and some meta weapon, and anti-grenade trophy's.

[south turret]

Circle around where they'll still be and blow that whole fucking building up, lol

[atomic vine]

you don't peak him and let him sit there barely killing anyone

[cobalt summit]

i think we're having the problem where people don't know the actual distances in this game and just call out random numbers. like 'that smg beamed me at 150m'!!

[atomic vine]

or better yet tell your engy to hit him with a HEAT

[orchid nova]

You either snipe back, ignore em, or flank them?

[cobalt summit]

im positive you dont

[shell vapor]

replied to the wrong msg

[atomic vine]

we need distance, and kit.

[shell vapor]

anyway its almost half of most maps

[atomic vine]

how many times you think you die to something only to learn it was someone else

[atomic vine]

1k covers alot more than that

[shell vapor]

it shows you the kill weapon and points you in the direction of the killer

[cobalt summit]

500+ is very very far away in this game, and the sniper doesn't get a damage increase until 600m and its only a one shot kill after 900 on the m200, iirc

[shell vapor]

500-1000

[atomic vine]

you are talking oneshot kills, not including headshots

which is not till "900" as was said

and only with a certain weapon.

[orchid nova]

Have you ever tried sniping in long ranges, like the 500-1000 that you claimed?

[atomic vine]

other than that, you are exposing yourself challenging a murder-hole anyone, that happens to be a sniper, and wondering why you die.

[cobalt summit]

There's often NO kills over 1000m in an entire game, you can see it on the scoreboard at the end of the game

[shell vapor]

ehh ive seen it a few times

[cobalt summit]

a few?

[atomic vine]

like top guys are pushing it, but most of the time its like 2 dudes.

[cobalt summit]

so you've died, what, 5 times total to super long range snipes? and thats a huge issue?

[shell vapor]

its mostly the camping issue

[orchid nova]

And are they the ones that are dominating the game?

[atomic vine]

game should tell us distance, kit, and headshot or not.

[atomic vine]

literally anyone can camp.

[shell vapor]

often with a decent enough kill count and 1 or 2 deaths

[atomic vine]

so what is a decent kill count

[shell vapor]

anyone can, but it isnt encouraged in every game

[north oracle]

"oh no that one guy just got 10 kills on one death with an as val time to nerf it"

[shell vapor]

id say above 20

for snipers

[atomic vine]

fucking 20

lol

[south turret]

fucking 20.

[north oracle]

wow

[shell vapor]

the gameplay is so slow for this game so im not pushing it

[cobalt summit]

this game has super fast movespeed and parkour, the highest scoring players are all run and gun flanking players. camping is not encouraged, its punished.

[atomic vine]

dude people get more kills rocking pistols than that

hell, I've seen HAMMERS do better than 20

[orchid nova]

My guy, 20 is NOT a high kill

[shell vapor]

the average i see in most games is around 30

[atomic vine]

40-60 is average.

and I think that might be low

[orchid nova]

30 is still not though

[shell vapor]

thats for the top of the leaderboard

in the middle its usually around 30

[atomic vine]

no dude

top is 100

[north oracle]

the actually annoying part are the rats and people sitting in a corner with their aggressive af gun, we're talking vector, p90, pp2k, hb and so on

[atomic vine]

90+

[cobalt summit]

lol wtf is going on

is this chat gpt

[shell vapor]

well maybe its cuz all the servers im in are full of campers

[north oracle]

40-60 is rather good
30 is an average joe infantry guy

[atomic vine]

how many

do you know their classes?

what weapons?

[orchid nova]

30 kills, 1 death and on the top of the leaderboard? That's just not possible

[shell vapor]

i usually play 64v64 and i barely see any people attacking the points

[atomic vine]

did you die to the same guy in the same spot?

[cobalt summit]

just throw in a grenade and watch them panic lol, if they catch you unaware you were gonna get got anyways

[shell vapor]

i dont rush the exact same spot

[cobalt summit]

that isn't because of snipers though, its because people dont care about points or objectives, they just like shooting

[atomic vine]

...

also

are 64v64 maps even large enough to have 1k spots?

because 127 doesn't have many of those already

[shell vapor]

theres a few

usually its from people sitting in the back of their spawn

[atomic vine]

my man, you think 20 kills is alot

[shell vapor]

i said above 20

not around

[atomic vine]

excuse me if I don't believe you

that's like saying above 1 kill is a problem

technically true

but also, no

[shell vapor]

im being generous by saying 20

ive seen lower, but usually the medium is around 30

[cobalt summit]

burvy how many hours are you at?

[shell vapor]

around a day of playtime

[cobalt summit]

so 20?

[shell vapor]

23 right now

[cobalt summit]

you'll probably feel differently about the game balance when you're around 100

[atomic vine]

man if I started talking shit back in my first 48

[shell vapor]

ehh i was kinda expecting a battlefield type experience with this game

[atomic vine]

I would have been saying nerf everything

[cobalt summit]

yeah i got completely bodied for my first 50

it was brutal

[atomic vine]

think my best back then was like maybe 30 kills

[shell vapor]

Im fine with the TTK being fast

[atomic vine]

and like 50+ deaths

[cobalt summit]

kind of sucks you didn't experience the complete mayhem when everyone was new, it didn't feel as bullshit and everyone was goofy

[shell vapor]

it feels like the only people who play this game now are preteens who just camp all the time

[orchid nova]

The free week was kinda like that

[atomic vine]

it can be. there's some funky movement you got to learn to counter but it ain't that different.

try 127 instead

[cobalt summit]

ya man, i dropped the game for a while but when i heared there was going to be fresh blood i knew the comms would be crazy again

[shell vapor]

when i play 127, its usually just huge maps with 64 on each team

so i just play 64

[cobalt summit]

use server browse

[cobalt summit]

127 is more fun, its a shit show

[atomic vine]

server browser is a better option. since you can choose oen directly and not a low pop one.

[orchid nova]

True, i remember joining a team eith everyone being single digit levels, good times

[atomic vine]

if you want chaos BOB servers are up pretty often during daytime in NA

[cobalt summit]

BOB players are better than average though

might be painful

[atomic vine]

true

but honestly, first main server, helped learn the ropes alot faster

(fucking robocat got like 150kills on me at least)

[cobalt summit]

ya i try to avoid him lol, guy air strafes well, super obnoxious to deal with

[orchid nova]

Anyway, if you play long enough you will find that campers really isn't that big of a pain in the butt, and shouldn't be what you are focusing on when you are playing infantry

[shell vapor]

eh maybe its just my bad luck

[cobalt summit]

you're just new, we all felt the pain

[orchid nova]

We've all been there

[shell vapor]

the games im in are way too quiet

i hear a gunshot every so often

yet again i usually flank around the sides so to get behind so it might be that

[cobalt summit]

play 127, if you do server browse look for invasion or frontline, its mayhem

[atomic vine]

that's... strange. even on smaller servers

[vital stratus]

just make them ise mil dots more often

make them useful

because mil dots are useless

[atomic vine]

would need scopes built for every weapon velocity

otherwise they are pretty useful for certain weapons or quickly switching targets

[robust isle]

God he's so based. Ive never used the zeroing mechanic, or range finder. Just hit your shots. !eussi llikS

[vital stratus]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1184093443962720357

i made a suggestion a while ago

[atomic vine]

mil dots are used when you make a quick change of target not exactly where you are aiming.

[solemn forum]

tank campers are harder to get to since you cant just shoot them

[shell vapor]

I usually just put a few c4s on it

[solemn forum]

nonono

cant throw them when your in their spawn

idk if its just an oce thing but they are always camping in their spawn

[shell vapor]

Oh

[solemn forum]

have to have an intire fireing sqaud with tandoms if you even want a chance they will retreat and repair the second they get hit

[shell vapor]

Havent seen that tactic yet

[solemn forum]

its probably mainly on oce servers

[shell vapor]

Ah

Well there's a bunch of brain dead stuff in this game

Landmine drones for instance

[solemn forum]

they are pretty funny to be fair

[shell vapor]

One of them took out like half our team

Cuz we had only one cover

[solemn forum]

i forgot about c4 drone

only way to beat the backmap campers with their tank

[shell vapor]

Thats actually smart ngl

I gotta try that

[solemn forum]

me and my friend kept doing it to some guy who just kept coming back with another tank and another tank and another tank

he kept trieing to camp the last point on isle from that island

[shell vapor]

Come to think of it

Landmine drones might even be good against campers

[solemn forum]

drones do have a range tho

[shell vapor]

How much

[solemn forum]

i forgot what it is havent used them for ages

i think around 100 meters

[shell vapor]

Yeahh checks out

It's a really brain dead way to rack up some free kills tho

[solemn forum]

never tried it preffer to just shoot them

[shell vapor]

It's really hard

Unless u have automatics

I usually use dmr

[solemn forum]

but if they are camping in a tank in their spawn its free game tho

[brisk plinth]

350M

give or take. with significant degredation in video quality as you get close to its max range