add incendiary grenade and molly

[wanton blade]

why not

we have all the grenades, even flyers, but we don't have molly and an incendiary grenade

this would be a cool idea from a tactical point of view

[violet zenith]

it would be cool till there are 200 ppl throwing them on waki bridge

[wanton blade]

Yes, but I really do

[crisp stone]

I’m not against them on the condition that smokes (both grenades and the smoke nade launcher) can snuff out the molotovs like they can in CS. Otherwise evey chokepoint would just get moly spammed, like waki bridge as mentioned here

but then again every choke point would be spammed with smokes so.. hard to say if that would be better, although that already does happen with smokes sometimes

[south geyser]

Somethingsomething trophy system somethingsomething

I'd like to see more area denial kinda options for sure, as the game lacks it almost entirely rn

Outside of maybe barbed wire ig

[hidden mango]

Bro the area denial is bullets fucking shoot people

[south geyser]

Fairrr, I mean more lingering so you can secure points etc

Hold an angle, prevent rushes... Without having to watch a doorway or push yourself

[hidden mango]

You looking for like 60 seconds of burn duration or what?

[south geyser]

God no

I was thinking 10ish probably lol. if not less

[hidden mango]

10 seconds x up to 120 motlves / your fps

[south geyser]

Probably like 5-8s or smthin

[south geyser]

i'm in danger

[hidden mango]

Hard pass on aoe damage in a game where everyone is a paper bag

[south geyser]

That's true too. I'd more like it for slowdown if anything

[hidden mango]

Fire is fun, but not sure where it fits in battlebit

We got barbed wire, trip mines, anti personal, barriers, watching the LOS

When i think about the potential risks of, damage going through walls, visbility, health pools and performance.. eeh.

I fuck with fire though

[south geyser]

"calm down with the caps"

I just like the interaction that can come from denying a doorway and the like - trying to counterplay it, trying to predict what the other player is gonna do, etc

Vs rushing head-on and just blasting the guy

[hidden mango]

The counterplay options i see to a puddle of fire are, dont step on it

[south geyser]

Hence why I think it would have to only be like 5s in a normal match lol. And destructible by trophies to prevent the "spam it in the doorway forever" strat

[crisp stone]

If the trophy was more effective, agreed. Maybe I’m dumb but half the time when I place 4 near a choke point as support I notice the grenades sometimes just don’t get canceled out.

[south geyser]

They seem fairly consistent, but frag grenade AOE is bigger than trophy AOE, and since trophies are on the ground they dont cancel nades thrown over them usually - A grenade at the back of a room can still be damn near lethal in this game.

But I also wouldnt be surprised if some grenades just phase through at random due to lag and whatnot

I've started throwing a trophy along the back wall of a room behind a barrier and it usually helps a lot more than you'd think

[alpine kiln]

remove wakistan problem solved

[winter owl]

Wakistan it's a decent map, but the bridges are 💀

It's really big and the forest part allow very interesting flanks

Sandy is the worst map for me, poor cover areas and snipers covering many angles, the city it's the only good part of the map

[violet zenith]

_ * insert any other chokepoint on any other map *

[wanton blade]

I think it makes no difference whether the bridge is thrown with grenades or burning bottles

[violet zenith]

flames prevent you from pushing way longer

[wanton blade]

thats true

[alpine kiln]

I like Waki except it ends up being a bridge battle where you throw grenades and pray you dont get hit by a grenade or sniped from C2 if you try to take any other path besides bridge you get sniped or beamed by dmrs

The center of waki with the bridges is awful in my opinion the rest is not to bad honestly

But thats off topic but seeing how oki would implement an incendiary or molly would be interesting, something that would replace smokes or grenades but something to create variety

[wanton blade]

I'm thinking, maybe I can create a topic about allowing each player to choose which grenades to take

For example, flesh, HE, Smoke

or is this a bad idea?

[south geyser]

Like as in a mix of grenades?

[wanton blade]

ye

[south geyser]

I wouldn't be opposed. Would help support a Lot.

Make them a proper grenadier

[slate zealot]

If we're going to add status effects, can we also have gas grenades, concussion grenades as well. :)

[alpine kiln]

I dont think we need a flashbang 2.0 and after dealing with gas in finals i dont want it near battlebit, i almost always agree with you steve but this is cant see being good lol

[slate zealot]

im completly joking, I X'ed this post.

I dont wanna die because some noob just panic throws fire at his feat killing us both

and just the overall spam of area denial ruins the flow of the game

[alpine kiln]

Yea like nade spam is horrendous, i think if incendiarys are added it should be a semi short duration and doesnt work like other throwables where if you have 3 grenades you will have 1 or 2 incendiarys so you cant spam fire everywhere

[wanton blade]

Basically, I created something similar to what you are saying

[alpine kiln]

Okay lol personally i checked it cause its an interesting idea, would need alot of testing to balance to not over dominate every other throwable and isnt something that cant be spammed all over the map

[wanton blade]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1187428239937896519