timid seal
Medic can heal, Support can supply, Engineer can blow things up, Recon can snipe, Assault can ?
Truth is, Assault does nothing special that justifies it being its own separate class. All the class gets is generic stat buffs.
I suggest that it is either removed/merged with other classes, or given some kind of unique element that separates it from other classes, such as special breaching equipment or something that enhances the run and gun style gameplay.
lethal willow
Can be without a squad so no one moves my m7 truck while I’m shooting
worn charm
Assault assaults. His buffs help him assault better than others. Also like his gadget line up. Grappling hook and ammo kit are so good, I wish you could have both at once.
wind jewel
I'll say more. Any class can blast with c4 -_-
amber widget
you get inspiration from the guy that had the remove recon or make it useful?
assault class is basicaly the default with stuff balenced around it
with buffs to reload swap and ads speed
why remove it?
river estuary
Assault needs more breaching and explosive capabilities that don’t belong on medic or support. They have an opportunity for new gadgets and throwables here depending on if they implement artillery/air strikes
amber widget
has c4 and a sledge hammer and is already most powerful class against infantry
also gets ranger armor
zenith lichen
assault can go tank with the shield or run lobbies lmfao
echo quest
You know what.. lets get rid of assault.
amber widget
rip medic sweats that changed to assault class
earnest wigeon
kind of a rant, but also an opportunity to post my thoughts while on this subject, i always hate it how the "assault" class in most squad/team/role play shooters is designed to either get generic stat buffs or equipment that help only they themselves move faster - essentially the solo, easy-to-pick up role that either falls behind the medic role if it does not have self sustainability or becomes extremely meta because of its nature.
I've always liked to imagine an assault role designed around helping their team essentially bypass obstacles.
for example, giving them equipment a simple ladder that stands and falls forward to double as a bridge, a zip line, a supply drop that spawns a small transport vehicle, a supply box containing parachutes/wingsuits, etc, etc.
TLDR: a class/role that promises to be more effective causes more imbalance/controversy and i wish someone will come up with a more creative and less selfish design for the assault role.
these are just my thoughts.
amber widget
assault class can help the sqaud with grapple hook or ammo
zenith lichen
assault is fine you goobers wtf is this, might aswell use this as copypasta source
amber widget
assault is fine you goobers wtf is this, might aswell use this as copypasta sour...
ikr
timid seal
assault class can help the sqaud with grapple hook or ammo
Recon and support already do this
amber widget
Recon and support already do this
recon cannot play agressively anymore and support would fall behind the sqaud not be infront
oh wait means ammo
fair but with less downsides i guess
and not as well
timid seal
The suggestion is to give Assault something that makes the class unique
(or remove it)
It can do plenty already and its a good class but its entirely redundant because other classes also do what it does
And it does nothing special, hence the suggestion
amber widget
The suggestion is to give Assault something that makes the class unique
remove the class that others are balanced around (i would essume) smart idea
i dont see the problem with it having nothing too special?
timid seal
Why is it a class if it does nothing special?
Every other class serves a purpose
Has a unique gameplay element
Idk how else to word this so you can understand
If Assault is supposed to be the run and gun breaching class then why not give it some unique item or equipment that facilitates this
amber widget
its not about classes having special abilities its about what playstyle they are to suit
amber widget
Every other class serves a purpose
as you said run and gun mainly
lethal willow
I like having a basic class with just some passives 🤷
amber widget
I like having a basic class with just some passives 🤷
same
timid seal
Okay, then give Assault something to enhance that
echo quest
timid seal
So the same thing you get from changing weapon attachments and armor?
Every other class can do that too
amber widget
on top of that
get an instant reload with something like a maxed aug
compared to 2 seconds
ember mountain
Yea honestly assualt needs more to its class and some buffs totally like its not the meta cause of its passives already
timid grove
Yea honestly assualt needs more to its class and some buffs totally like its not...
honestly true, who even notices the reload, ADS time, and swap speed?
such unimportant stats frrrr
ember mountain
yea triple the passives so the effect is more noticable and let assualt heal to 100 with one bandage at half the speed that medic does
timid seal
So are you guys just not reading the suggestion or is this trolling lmao
timid grove
dude thats the play
100 hp bandage for assault really lets it lean into its niche fr
nah brother im being 1000000% serious rn
this thread is an invaluable place to state my thoughts
ember mountain
honestly make assualt have rpgs, snipers, more armor, and a medkit
in a single loadout
timid grove
yeah that sounds legit
timid seal
Erm...other classes already have those things 
ember mountain
Erm...other classes already have those things <:onetoothnerd:993922287818522687>
yea so make assault the best of all the classes so it unique now
timid seal
Haters in the building...
timid grove
but dont you hate assault?
isnt that the point?
I hate assault too! BRING BACK MEDICS!!!!!!!!!
ember mountain
yea so whos the real hater here
the one making suggestions about the meta class needing something unique?
timid seal
How is that hating
timid grove
tbh I still think its gg when supports start using fal exo armor
ember mountain
tbh I still think its gg when supports start using fal exo armor
people dont understand, all the support players are just "camp in building hold ads with lmg"
fluid flume
such unimportant stats frrrr
Bruh, you can't be more wrong. The reload speed and ADS are noticible to some extent but weapon swap plays a huge difference.
Man, this thread is already quite pepega
karmic totem
assault is the "COMBAT" class, they get buffs that help them fight better and also has access to the widest range of weapons and tools
timid grove
Bruh, you can't be more wrong. The reload speed and ADS are noticible to some ex...
Somebody missed the joke here
oak bough
I agree with what arthor is saying but I love that gif lmfao
I think the buffs are fairly helpful without being overkill. Riot shield is underused but is nice... I'd like to see them have more of a niche for sure, like having more supportive actions for their team somehow. Dunno what that would be
in some armor rework threads players suggested armor kits/repairs go to assault
compact sphinx
many games have a 'soldier' class, which is good in combat, have no special ability but because of high stats, is good in everything
narrow trench
Jfc this suggestion is obvious bait 
“Just forgot about passives, riot shield, sledgehammer, the only other class with DMRs that benefits them… remove it cause I don’t like it”
Come on man April fools isn’t for another 4 months
celest moon
Change the smoke launcher to be either a single shot m203 or a 6 round smoke launcher
celest moon
Even better give Assault a time-delayed breaching tool
timid seal
Give the Assault class something unique to its role
lament flare
Assault is already very meta so it doesnt need anything more. On top of that what makes it unique is that it does the things other classes can do better than they do it.
wintry field
Give suggestions to the Thread WHICH MEANS that they can be Positive or Negative it's just in which way your opinion will go.
Do not go insult others for whatever opinion they may have and you will not be harassed when the obvious is pointed out, which is that you are simply annoying and trolling.
Now go talk about the topic and if the mods have to come back here since you can't behave the Thread will be Locked indefinite.
livid harbor
Give assault class bayonets
And a slight move speed bufd
Maybe make it so if they can carry more grenades, or keep everything else the same and give them 2 grenade launchers, a basic m79 thumper style one and a MGL style one at like rank 75 or something
Or buff gun handling if player is using an assault rifle
glad raptor
Ziplines was put forward. I think having the other classes with less explosives would give assault its identity back
livid harbor
Ziplines was put forward. I think having the other classes with less explosives ...
Except for engineer
Wait
I think assault should get rog
Rpg
And engineer gets like HMG and stuff
Maybe a mortar, maybe ability to modify vehicles
glad raptor
less explosives yeah, Engy could Keep RPG and AT mines. c4 maybe be split into 2-3 different gadgets? small one that works like it does now but less damage to vehicles and players(same blast radius, a second one that is good against light and ok against medium vehicles but is far slower to throw and you carry less)
lapis yarrow
c4 maybe needs a vehicle damage nerf but taking it away from other classes is not the move
assault is in a good spot, its unique because of the passives and riot shield (which needs to be actually useful somehow)
livid harbor
We need better attack helis too. And maybe MAN PADS to balance them
Mb getting off topic
glad raptor
c4 is just a generation of explosive, just change the size and total damage and split it into two. a breaching charge that works on walls and maybe people, and one that is ok vs armor that is a heavy gadget that you carry less off. breaching charges go to the others, Engy and Assault get the big one.
livid harbor
Honestly assault getting RPG would make sense
lapis yarrow
nah its fine
the flexibility is what makes c4 fun
glad raptor
not really, its too plentiful for how versatile it is.
livid harbor
Or a grenade launcher
glad raptor
sniper can carry 5, which means one dead tank.
glad raptor
we do have the m320 for assault
livid harbor
Or underbarrel
glad raptor
giving it HE wouldn't be that much of a stretch
lapis yarrow
not really, its too plentiful for how versatile it is.
i think a vehicle damage nerf would be fine
livid harbor
Should engineer be able to modify vehicles?
glad raptor
Should engineer be able to modify vehicles?
what?
glad raptor
i think a vehicle damage nerf would be fine
it needs its max range, and throw speed nerfed as well.
glad raptor
You could put like a mk 19 on a humvee or something
eh I think if we got that it would be a separate vehicle
lapis yarrow
nah c4 flies so slowly its fine
livid harbor
eh I think if we got that it would be a separate vehicle
Imagine putting LAV-AD turret on the lav chassis
Also should basic armor be model for tanks?
glad raptor
nah c4 flies so slowly its fine
it flys 20 meters out, and you can throw 5 c4 in less than a second, maybe 1.5 seconds.
livid harbor
General health buff, front shots do 0.4x DMG turret sides do regular DMG and hull sides 2x DMG. Rear hull shots would knock out the engine but nothing else
lapis yarrow
20m if you arc it and let it slowly float there. i don't see how that needs to be nerfed
glad raptor
20m if you arc it and let it slowly float there. i don't see how that needs to b...
thats still less than 2 seconds of "flight" time, and most of the time you don't need it to go that far.
livid harbor
C4 should be engineer and assault only
lapis yarrow
thats still less than 2 seconds of "flight" time, and most of the time you don't...
yeah but why does it need a nerf?
livid harbor
And you should be able to put it on riot shields
On the back of them so u and a friend can clear a room quickly
lapis yarrow
And you should be able to put it on riot shields
for sure, but this should require 2 people
livid harbor
for sure, but this should require 2 people
Ye
glad raptor
yeah but why does it need a nerf?
because its one of the most powerful weapons in the game that all classes have access to, and allows one dude to kill any vehicles with little to no effort. it "flying" doesn't mean much at all.
livid harbor
Idk if u read second msg right after first riot shield one
But I said you and friend because it would take 2
lapis yarrow
because its one of the most powerful weapons in the game that all classes have a...
so if you nerf the vehicle damage it will be fine
livid harbor
Tbh c4 should only knock out tank engines
glad raptor
so if you nerf the vehicle damage it will be fine
thats the main reason, but being able to spam them out as fast as you can is also a problem.
livid harbor
Cuz c4 is nothing vs tank armor
lapis yarrow
thats the main reason, but being able to spam them out as fast as you can is als...
i don't see how this is a problem
most classes/armor only have like 5 c4 anyway
glad raptor
most classes/armor only have like 5 c4 anyway
which is alot. since that is enough to overkill a tank from full health.
lapis yarrow
yeah make it 6 to kill a tank and the problem goes away
glad raptor
not really.
because since everyone has them, it takes 2 snipers. or two medics to do it.
which doesn't make sense.
lapis yarrow
if a tank lets two medics get within range to plop 6 c4 onto it then it has made a mistake
with how fast a tank can move and how slow c4 falls its already reasonably hard to land 5 c4 onto a tank unless its completely stationary and unaware
glad raptor
not much of a choice unless you sit way away from the objectives
and yo are also forgetting about the magnet.
it will latch onto the tank quickly and easily from 20 meters out. + splash damage works for some reason
lapis yarrow
tanks should not be that strong anyway
glad raptor
to say that c4 is alright is like saying the tandem is alright
thats like saying the vector was fine
glad raptor
tanks should not be that strong anyway
its a tank
lapis yarrow
its a *tank*
yeah and? game is not a milsim
glad raptor
it should take a team effort to take it out, and actually be a threat to infantry. but it isn't. its seen as a point farm
lapis yarrow
a tank can be controlled by one player
it's a temporary powerup in a game like this
glad raptor
a tank can be controlled by one player
it's a temporary powerup in a game like ...
yeah no
not how that works.
lapis yarrow
apart from the spawn camping tank issue, i think most people are fine with the weak vehicles in the game so far
glad raptor
"fine with weak vehicles" yeah because its a point farm
lapis yarrow
so why do we need to make them stronger apart from "realism" and "tanks should be strong"
glad raptor
so why do we need to make them stronger apart from "realism" and "tanks should b...
because people want to actually have vehicles do something instead of just be a point farm. I'm sorry that your idea of fun is just see tank, charge it, and kill it with c4 becasue who cares if you die because you'll be back and with more c4 in less than 10 seconds. Thats not a good design and vehicles need to be better.
lapis yarrow
tanks are effective already
requiring two people to kill a tank with c4 would put it in a good place
lapis yarrow
they are
glad raptor
nope.
lapis yarrow
have you never played against a good tanker
glad raptor
sitting at the edge of the map lobbing 20 HE is not "being effective"
lapis yarrow
not all tanks play like that
glad raptor
anyway. the other classes need to lose c4 as we have it. give them a much weaker breaching charge if they must have it. assault and engy should be the only two with it as is.
Riot Shield needs some work, QoL like the shield being put away when you try to go prone, going to one of your guns.
a GL might not quite work in this game since assault and medic are seperate.
lapis yarrow
riot shield blocking more damage and having a melee option would be fine
lapis yarrow
oh yeah that too
lament flare
have you never played against a good tanker
I've already gone down this line of conversation with him
its a lost cause
oh nvm im thinking of a different guy
timid seal
Ziplines seems like the best idea thats been put forth so far to make Assault stand out more as its own class and not the "Frankenstein's monster amalgamation of other classes" I called it before
At least then it gets a unique equipment that serves to enhance the intended playstyle
brittle condor
Give them C4 trebuchets.
karmic totem
I think rebalancing other classes to give assault a better identity is going to make assault too powerful and it will make no sense to play any other class. Buffing / fixing riot shield is a good idea though, or giving them a new class specific tool.
lethal willow
I’d like to see the small ammo kit upgraded with another bandage and a nade
amber widget
while on the topic of buffing the items assualt class can use fixing the grappling hook so that it goes over rocks because sometimes you shoot is in the wrong place and it just is way out of reach and becomes a very shot rope
also riot sheild is incredibly useless right now most you can really do with it if you have a dedicated squad mate that puts c4 on your side and blows it up when you call out
which sui c4 is just better at in everyway since you get mowed down fairly quickly even crouching
glad raptor
I think rebalancing other classes to give assault a better identity is going to ...
we want class identity. a medic plays medic, not tank hunter. sniper/recon does recon and also not a tank hunter. if we want wall breaching tools we need a breaching charge that the other classes can use that blows open walls but does far less damage that what we have. We can then add class specific gadgets for their job down the line, different ammo boxes, different types of first aid and healing, and similar. the c4 we have now if changed should also be a heavy gadget to ower how much spam there is. Grenade trophy also blocking flyc4 should also be a thing.
lapis yarrow
bro just hates c4
frozen coral
“Just forgot about passives, riot shield, sledgehammer, the only other class wit...
Tbf, the riot shield isnt unlocked till level 100 or something
celest moon
The riot shield so far only lets you get spotting points as well. And with collision still being worked on...
glad raptor
bro just hates c4
If you think it’s in a healthy spot right now, you are delusional.
lament flare
If you think it’s in a healthy spot right now, you are delusional.
What’s unhealthy about c4 right now?
narrow trench
Tbf, the riot shield isnt unlocked till level 100 or something
Fair, I think it couls be lowered to make it more of an option for assault early one… also would be more practical once player collision gets added
glad raptor
What’s unhealthy about c4 right now?
Already explained it if you wanted to bother reading. But then again you want all the classes to be the same. At that point we should just get rid of the class system entirely and make it like cod.
lament flare
Already explained it if you wanted to bother reading. But then again you want al...
Summarize. Im not going to read your 100 message conversation.
As it stands now every utility explosive has a place. C4 can do some things that APMs cant and vice versa. The only one that doesnt is claymores which just kinda suck now im pretty sure.
glad raptor
Yeah, a class needs to be able to do what the class is meant to do. And not double dip into another classes style. C4 is ok, it needs changes, but the ability for every class to carry it needs to go. So stop wanting every class to be the same.
As for everything else, read.
lament flare
I think every class should have different things that it excels at, not one specific role that it is forced to fill.
POE's class system is a perfect example of this. Every class can use any weapon and any piece of gear as long as they have the attribute requirements. The only thing that makes certain classes better for certain builds is their position on the skill tree and ascendency.
glad raptor
action rpg... right. totally the best way to compare.
anyway, you've already said you want the class to be able to do everything. at that point why have the class, just give a pick 10 or something and call it day. if you want COD, just say so, it would save so much time.
lament flare
anyway, you've already said you want the class to be able to do everything. at t...
When did I say that?
glad raptor
all classes able to do everything is going against what a class is. I.e what cod is, take anything you want at any point. if you try and say "oh I didn't say that", just because you didn't write it out explicitly does not mean anything.
also trying to compare it to an action RPG is just another thing that you failed at.
lament flare
all classes able to do everything is going against what a class is. I.e what cod...
What? I think you're imagining things...
glad raptor
"I dont think the solution to that is to only give certain classes the ability to defend themselves against them."
"Because if I'm playing medic I dont want there to be nothing I can due to punish an out of position tank. Other than just dying to it"
"Why should I be forced to switch to smokes and or rely on my stupid teammates to allow for bad tank drivers to play the game?"
Sure buddy. Medic killing tanks because you want to punish it as a medic. enough said. There's more but you get the point.
karmic totem
A medic has a hundred times less chance to kill a tank than an engineer though, it has to be a sneaky medic plus very unaware tank combination. Thus making engineers being best at tank killing by far.
As a medic or assault I usually just ignore the vehicles and leave them to engineers to take out, because it's too much effort for little reward compared to just fragging people.
glad raptor
tell that to the medic squads who do so anyway. all the classes being able to encroach on engineers role, and then assault role too with c4 is a problem. people hunt them down with c4 no matter what class.
worn charm
A medic has a hundred times less chance to kill a tank than an engineer though, ...
Unless they're hiding out in spawn zones not really. All it takes is a moment of occupied attention on their end and you can kill them with zero warning.
But restricting c4 to x class just means everyone will run that class over anything else because c4 blows every other light gadget out of the water.
lament flare
tell that to the medic squads who do so anyway. all the classes being able to en...
Do you agree that engi is better at killing tanks than medic?
glad raptor
Unless they're hiding out in spawn zones not really. All it takes is a moment of...
c4 needs to be a rework and a light and heavy variant anyway
karmic totem
Unless they're hiding out in spawn zones not really. All it takes is a moment of...
Yeah I agree and I think vehicles are not in a good spot right now because they are too easy target to eliminate in general, that is why I never use vehicles outside of transport. Taking away C4 from certain classes would mean that nobody would want to play those classes.
I personally could not care less if my C4 as medic or assault does not damage heavy armored targets, I just want to frag people and breach walls
glad raptor
Yeah I agree and I think vehicles are not in a good spot right now because they ...
hence the light gadget c4 is a wall breacher. minimal damage to vehicles and people. and the heavy gadget c4 with shorter range, less carried, but hits as hard (possibly harder since it would hopefully be restricted to class) as it does now.
lapis yarrow
why does c4 killing people need to be restricted
glad raptor
just because shere quanitity. I'm not saying it needs to do 10 damage per, but less damage in the explosives radius would make it be a tool for blowing walls open, a breaching charge, but not necessarily something meant to kill people, like a breaching charge.
as for the class because with everyone carrying at least 3 but more likely 5-6 you can throw all 6 in less than 1.5 seconds at two seconds all 6 will be on the ground and explode, which defeats the point of a damage limit, which was the previous way to nerf explosives as a catchall.
jolly sky