#Toggle “new sound effects” on or off.

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radiant scaffold
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I’m sorry but these new sound “muffles” and “pew pew” sfx are way to distracting. I’d rather have the choice to have it toggled on or off rather than just shoved down my throat.

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way to turn on or off “new sound effects”

signal wren
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Can’t have people playing with two different sound systems. Break the balance.

upper escarp
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better than breaking the game

tired ore
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it doesn't break the game lol

upper escarp
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new audio is trash

tired ore
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your ears maybe

signal wren
radiant scaffold
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Again Id rather have the choose to toggle it on or off then just forced onto me when it’s not beneficial at all to me

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And plus I’m pretty sure others will agree with me that if they had the choice they would turn it off, let’s not pretend like most wouldn’t.

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Literally the suggestion oki linked to in #dev-wip regarding the new “sounds” and this is the first thing posted about (in conjunction to what I’m referencing to)

signal wren
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Considering that it actually makes it easier to hear a) enemy shot locations b)enemy shot trails and c) enemy footsteps, while muffling friendly sounds and other irrelevant information, I struggle to see how it actually hurts gameplay.
Is it new? Yes. Is it different? Yes. Will it take adjustment? Yes.
But Oki’s whole philosophy was to make it easier to respond to threats.

Think some of you don’t actually understand what it is you are hearing and assume a lack of any information is a bad thing when it’s actually removing irrelevant information.

radiant scaffold
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Your missing the point entirely

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If someone’s intentions are good but the outcome isn’t inlines to the original intent it doesn’t matter then at all.

uneven marsh
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Feels like oki doesn't give a fuck about community feedback about this goofy muffle shit

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Making game for himself is awesome my dudes

radiant scaffold
radiant scaffold
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If it works for you? More power to you but it doesn’t for me, again such things like this I would like not forced onto me and rather given the option for a toggle like every other setting in the game. There’s literally a toggle for flash grenades colors, make it make sense.

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Toggle “new sound effects” on or off.

mossy gulch
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I'm ok with a toggle for each individually... But I really think its silly to have new balance-related systems in place if you can pick and choose the best settings and ignore the others

radiant scaffold
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Or better yet, just don’t add it when no one asked for it 😊

signal wren
# radiant scaffold Or better yet, just don’t add it when no one asked for it 😊

“Don’t make changes to the game that I don’t like”.
“Give me a way to go back to previous updates because I don’t like this one”.
That’s basically what you are asking for dude. Sorry you don’t like it. Having two players using a different sound design is not good for balance cohesion nor level playing field.

And I did read that post. That’s how I know the changes that Oki made and his design intentions.
He is trying to fix very specific problems and using the tools at his disposal to do so. Bitching because you don’t like the symptoms of imperfect solutions is not productive.
I hope to god oki doesn’t listen to input from people like you. Game would be a shitshow. And I feel for him when he tries to get meaningful feedback and has to drown out the incessant drone of “I don’t like this change, let me disable it”.
This isn’t an accessibility issue. This isn’t a harmful change to the player base. This is a change that makes it easier to do what you are trying to do, when you are trying to do it, and you just don’t like it.

radiant scaffold
mossy gulch
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Tl;dr Sound design is a repeated complaint and this is his (imo fairly good) attempt to address it BBClown

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Better feedback than before that's for sure.

radiant scaffold
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It’s been disabled and added to “milsim/hardcore” modes

heady gale
radiant scaffold
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If I’m hearing you right, your asking “how does adding more ways of differentiating and understanding what is happening around you on the battlefield for example make you bad/worse”

heady gale
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Sure. You're saying that Oki's got good intentions with the changes. He wants to make the battlefield clearer by using audio. He makes steps to do that by adding a new layer of audio cues for us to react to, but you're claiming the way it's been implemented is AGAINST that. I want to know more about why you think it's against it. As it stands there definitely needs to be some changes made to how it's mixed etc. but you wanting them to be toggled means youre viewing it as an optional thing, rather than what I believe to be an integral layer of information that every player needs

radiant scaffold
heady gale
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No prob, I did a bad job in linking to what I replied to lol

radiant scaffold
# heady gale Sure. You're saying that Oki's got good intentions with the changes. He wants to...

Spending the better part of the day on this, I’ve come to multiple conclusions and some of these are by no means my own conclusions but ones I’ve seen while browsing other suggestions channels. 1. Make it so you can toggle it on or off (most popular consensus) 2. Going back to the drawing board and rework it/more testing (not as popular but still a good suggestion) 3. Add it for only milsim/hardcore game modes (100% on board with due to my own biases)

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Referring back to that comment you linked to “good intentions bad execution” absolutely no doubt in my mind did oki in-vision a new and exciting layer for players to explore and learn from but again although he had good intentions the outcome was completely the opposite.

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I played for about 2 hours this morning and I was distracted not by anything going on screen but by what was going in my ears. Now people might laugh and say “skill issue” but for many who want to use audio to there advantage this is feels like a step back rather then forward.

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With more refinement this could be the standard for the game. oki recently mentioned this evening which was pretty insightful.

stone harbor
# radiant scaffold It’s been disabled and added to “milsim/hardcore” modes

The muffle is all that was moved. The rest of the audio changes are still in, and they're pretty damn stellar if I do say so!

The muffle was the most divisive thing. Some like the added oomph when getting shot as opposed to having a more casual, less intense, less immersive experience, and I think that suits the hardcore community, so good on Oki for not scrapping a month of his dev time and finding a use for it. 👍

The game has to grow and improve. If you dislike it, propose solutions rather than going "let me turn that shit off it's annoying and shitty" and other such useless, rude "suggestions". Construct a solution first, then criticize the current game.

TL;DR in case you can't read two paragraphs :

  • Only the muffle was moved to hardcore.
  • Game's got to improve, it can't stagnate or it'll die.
  • Construct first, criticize after. Gimme solutions don't just whine.
gusty pike
radiant scaffold
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and even if the muffle was moved, I'll take that

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the pew pew sfx, we'll have to see about that later

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and how dare you assume I nor others weren't giving feedback?

stone harbor
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🤷‍♀️ Not sure what your point is. I just meant to let you know that it was just the muffle that moved. The rest of the sounds are A-OK.

The gunshots sound fine. If you check a couple videos of people doing "getting shot by different calibers", it sounds pretty much just like that. Whizz when subsonic, crack when supersonic.

You might've had discussions afterwards, I did not read the whole thread, so you very well might have come up with some constructive things to say in the mean-time! I didn't read everything, just got exasperated because the amount of "Ugh x bad remove please" threads that die at the first post is too damn high and wastes time.

radiant scaffold
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I'll have you know that through out my non arguable complaints where some very good criticizisms

radiant scaffold
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I'll have you know! I make my suggestions off of the highest of intellects and of best judgements

radiant scaffold
stone harbor
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Maybe it's because I haven't invested (past buying it on Steam) into the game, but I tend to just see where the game goes rather than align it to my desires. 🤔

I'll admit I came in here hot on the heels of another thread with lots of pretty upfront, rude folks, apologies for bringing over that attitude, it was undeserved.

Having read through all the way, these two responses from above seem to have upset me;

Or better yet, just don’t add it when no one asked for it 😊

See now you’re getting it! (Just saying that cause I’m not reading all that)

I got the vibe from them that those big red flags meant that you're trolling / not really wanting to have a two-way conversation. I may have assumed wrongly on that part, but it's hard to read those very aggro lines and think otherwise, with the way folks seem to chuck vitriol at one another lately.

Again, apologies if I assumed wrongly. You've got to admit that those got pretty aggro though. 😅

If you're just passionate and really really really cannot in any way shape or form digest the changes and get used to them.. then by all means, I'm all for the suggestions provided (options are ALWAYS good, I'm a huge fan of them 💜).

Would've been nice to get those thoughts out from the get-go to avoid people mis-reading the situation, but here we are! At least I understand your POV better now. 👍

drifting hedge
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I do not like these lasers sam I am

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stone harbor
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By "I didn,t invest much" I was saying I'm not a Patreon subscriber for the game, I just spent the price of buying it on steam, currently sitting at 114 hours played rn.

What I meant was mostly that I might just not be in the same camp when it comes to the changes. I feel like adding polish to the game (which - staying with the paint/polish analogy - I'll admit the recent changes were more like the first coat of pre-primer.. and not polished) increases it's enjoyability. Just gotta give Oki time to polish it up and make it up to the high standards we have for the game.

I guess we can agree to disagree, I'll leave the thread being solely focused on "update bad, revert update" and focus my efforts and time elsewhere where there might be a discussion folks want to have?

For the record, my point wasn't to say "you're wrong I'm right", rather I'm just bringing up positive points I see with it, and trying to figure out a middle-ground to reach between folks who are against and folks who enjoy the new system. Feel free to interpret it otherwise.

Off the internet I go, sorry, I didn't get this was a troll thread, enjoy!

orchid flare
stone harbor
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okay I'll stop typing like a redditor

dude comes in, yells "change bad, let me turn it off" and proposes no solutions or changes (besides turning it off/reverting it).

People come in, point out the flaw in it, he answers with troll-ass "That's wonderful, please tell me more. 🙃" snide remarks and acts like an ass to people giving him very legitimate counter-arguments, yet I'm the one calling the thread a troll thread?

Yeah fuck that. Enjoy your thread, if you're gonna be disrespectful I'mma disengage tf out of here and take my "fucking redditor" posts elsewhere.

Good luck finding anyone who listens to you if you talk like this everytime there are disagreements. I'm sure you'll get your point across to Oki, he'll listen patiently to your snide comments and we'll magically see your changes get implemented thanks to that rude-ass attitude. lmao

I ain't engaging with folks who can't show basic-ass respect. Act like an adult and I'll respect you like one, otherwise peace, I'm out.

orchid flare
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i do hope oki gets the point. not everyone has to have absolutely flawless arguments with an essay prepared. end users know when something feels bad, not all know how to fix those issues.

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any input at all is better than a circlejerk of people who feed off of each other's terrible advice

radiant scaffold
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