#Oceania Region is being held hostage by community servers.

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torpid sigil
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In the Oceania region we have 2 servers, BBOCE which is a heavily customized infantry focused server with wildly diffrent gameplay from vanilla (despite being official progression), and Aussie Battler Gaming which has incompetent, apathetic admins who don't know what they are doing and repeatedly break the server switching up the gamemodes.

Right now 8:30pm on a Saturday night there is no server to play on apart from BBOCE. Conquest in Oceania is dead. All the Oceania regulars are playing in American servers at 200 ping which have working Conquest servers.

I suggest you allow community servers to be made once more for the game or for this region to compete where the current ones are severly lacking, or add an Official server to our region. The only time an official server was playable was during the free weekend when one was generated for us. Furthermore the gamemode voting at the end of the match also needs to be addressed, as you cannot vote conquest twice in a row which has had a negative affect on the Oceania playerbase causing them to play in 24/7 American Conquest servers.

brazen citrus
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Aussie battler gaming is pretty good for vanilla gameplay. 0 restrictions unlike BBOCE that ban explosive and heavy armor. Unfortunately most of the time there is only half the player of BBOCE

torpid sigil
primal cove
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sounds like an introduction to a book ngl

torpid sigil
primal cove
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and ofc it's the random map voting again (don't mind the already random map selection you're being shown)

torpid sigil
primal cove
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gonna do it, you're just to funny and idc about the upside down

median steppe
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🗣️ RANDOM VOTING KILLED THE GAME 🗣️

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🗣️ IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE ITS ALL RANDOM VOTING 🗣️

primal cove
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common Old Chum W

median steppe
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Maybe you really just didnt like random voting because you liked the status quo.

torpid sigil
median steppe
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You didnt have to unblock me to say that

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Also that doesnt invalidate anything. If the only gamemode that's being played is invasion... then couldnt they just vote conquest whenever they want?

torpid sigil
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Primetime on a weekday but no conquest server. No players.

torpid sigil
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Friday night primetime and the server is dead. Fuck these ABG admins

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Well just got banned from the ABG discord for repeatedly brining up this issue around conquest. Games dead.

primal cove
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*game's dead

torpid sigil
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Bump. This region is dying. Death by a thousand shit admins. 10pm, and only a half server. The game was at its best when there were NO community servers like on release. Community servers only serve to destroy the playerbase, lower the skill level and hemorrhage new players with their vile gameplay.

fringe harbor
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I think just 1 official 127 v 127 conquest server would go a long way tbh.

torpid sigil
lucid falcon
torpid sigil
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@rugged mulch I'm uninstalling your game. Thought I'd just tell you this personally.

signal oracle
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🐴 Thoughts and prayers.

Slazenger, peace be upon him has uninstalled Battle Bit after a long fight and has finally given up.

tulip latch
faint canyon
tulip latch
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Average day in oce

signal oracle
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Though, no one takes a slaz thread seriously.

pallid gull
tulip latch
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😭

native arrow
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🫡

acoustic aurora
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the real W you can get from this game

trim plover
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But yeah Slaz’s final message kinda funny, 🫡

trim plover
# fringe harbor I think just 1 official 127 v 127 conquest server would go a long way tbh.

There is 24/7 conquest servers that do try to mimic official settings whilst not being “too off putting” for those that rarely touch official, but outisde of PBS and one other one I forgot the name of (both EU) good luck getting it filled once they fall asleep.

As for official servers period, not sure if it’s possible with the way they currently function when people try to queue (and obviously none of us know if the devs plan to change that)

slow gorge
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official server/queue system is most likely broken in those regions

faint canyon
# slow gorge official server/queue system is most likely broken in those regions

its not broken, its working as intended, it was a lack of planning and understanding on how these regions work in terms of what players expect

if i want to play something, and decide to play battlebit, open it, and find no server in the list, and have to get in a queue with other 3 people, without knowing how much will i need to wait until i can play, i would just go play something else or use a USA server

torpid sigil
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I'm looking at my friend list on steam and most have dropped the game too, the exception being my Japanese friend who plays in Asian servers since they are available to him.
It's funny watching the latest devcast where Oki says new players are leaving "because it's too hard" - They are leaving because the game has no player retention, exacerbated by these wretched infantry only community servers with no respawn timer further encouraging schizophrenic gameplay where all you do is rush in and die. It's no wonder they leave, since the gameplay at that point is the same as some shitty f2p browser fps.

median steppe
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New players dont rush in and die lmao.

torpid sigil
median steppe
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I've played bboce

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New players dont rush in and die, new players have no idea how to play the game. That's the problem. I'm sure a lot of new people would get really into the game if they watched a streamer play the game and saw how it was done first, or if there was a good tutorial or something. But right now there's really no way for a new player to actually learn the game.

Personally I only bought the game because I watched Surefour playing it. If I hadn't seen him play it the way he does I can't say that I would still be playing right now. There are probably plenty of players like me who have the game but didn't get introduced to it in a way that's conducive to them actually wrapping their heads around how to play.

torpid sigil
# median steppe New players dont rush in and die, new players have no idea how to play the game....

You learn the game by playing vanilla Conquest instead of pressing W into the nearest frontline and holding Spacebar when you die (since 0 respawn timer), repeated ad infinitum. Which is all the community servers offer gameplay wise.
In Conquest you actually have to play as a team within your squad to win and succeed. Teamwork - the main appeal of the game, is what keeps player around. Always has and always will. Such thing has not been the case for months now and now the Oceania region cannot even maintain half servers since it's plagued by community servers that are anything but vanilla. The Asian region surpasses it by x5.

median steppe
# torpid sigil You learn the game by playing vanilla Conquest instead of pressing W into the ne...

In Conquest you actually have to play as a team within your squad to win and succeed.
This isnt true.

Teamwork - the main appeal of the game
Just because you say this is the main appeal of the game doesnt mean it is. The only way to tell for sure is by actually looking at why the average player plays the game. I assume youre drawing from your and your friend's favorite part of the game, but that claim doesnt generalize to everyone or the majority of players.

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The thing I was talking about was a subtle thing that you have to keep in mind when thinking about how to design a game, so I'm not sure if I can communicate it effectively to someone who doesnt already understand it, but I'll try. If you've played a lot of games, you have probably run into a game that you didn't quite "get" or understand on a deep level, but eventually you did find a game that you did intuitively grasp the first time you played it. For the former games, it's quite possible that if you think a bit more about it, change your mindset about it, or just try playing it for longer you would eventually "get" it, but a lot of the time people will just drop the game before even trying.

Battlebit is a pretty unique game, so new players might not have the experience / mindset to succeed in it just because they've never played anything like it. So a big goal that should be focused on (that is not being focused on at all currently) is making sure that if a new player doesnt "get" the game there's something that convinces them to give it a second try, or something that convinces them to play for a little while longer. Each second longer you get a new player to play is another chance for the game to finally click with them.

torpid sigil
# median steppe > In Conquest you actually have to play as a team within your squad to win and s...

The only way to tell for sure is by actually looking at why the average player plays the game. I assume youre drawing from your and your friend's favorite part of the game, but that claim doesnt generalize to everyone or the majority of players.
I know deeply well why players keep with the game or drop it, since I've been monitoring the server browser for Oceania pretty much daily. It is as I said, schizophrenic infantry gameplay is what causes new players to drop the game instead of sticking around since that kind of gameplay has zero player retention and is all the game has to offer in the eyes of new players, who inevitably dropped the game after the latest sale.
Teamwork and squadplay is what keeps people around.

median steppe
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Ok I know stats isnt quite your forte, but you cant actually determine what type of gameplay people like based on the vibes you get from watching the server browser. The idea that you can doesnt make any sense at all.

torpid sigil
median steppe
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Seeing how BBOCE is the only remotely active OCE server left that seems to kinda go against your point

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Since BBOCE is the more arcadey of the two big ones

torpid sigil
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The alternative is another shitty community server as described in the OP

median steppe
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Yeah but wouldnt you expect the less arcadey more teamwork oriented conquest server be the one to win out

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even if its not exactly what you want

shrewd lichen
median steppe
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surely if everyone really liked that type of gameplay they would take what they could get

torpid sigil
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It's not conquest but rather unfortunately all gamemodes.

torpid sigil
median steppe
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wdym?

shrewd lichen
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Newer players are genuently clueless as to how to play the game itself and there is very little way to actually learn the games mechanics through the game itself

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BBR isnt as intuitive as other games, its not like trial and error teaches you how to say, change the armor on your player character, how assault has passive stat boosts etc.

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Conquest or not, they aint learning shit

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Maybe if they are lucky they will hear something useful somewhere

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But through the game itself? Nope

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Closest you get is a mid tutorial at the shooting range

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And you think people who dont understand how to play the game to stick around?

trim plover
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Idk why the point of “infy only modes is why nobody knows how to play”

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Doesn’t matter if there’s a tank or not if you don’t know how to use your kit’s tools, you don’t.

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“Bu-but BBOCE”

Yeah they changed some of the shit because the community agreed that

  1. It’s used to grief (flash, mines)
  2. People don’t like fighting it in infy situations (exo, rpg)
  3. Noobs benefit more from visual cues (colored armor) [and even then it helps people with vision problems, among other reasons that again… their community reasoned would work on that server]

Has nothing to do with player skill they just want their own settings.

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Which.. funnily enough oki mentioned #3 might be done in the future in the dev cast on official

median steppe
trim plover
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Not exactly colored armor but possibly different looking armor for both teams

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Along with the sound cues of friendlys being shot at, enemy footsteps, etc

shrewd lichen
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Last i heard they making friendly steps silent

tulip latch
trim plover
# tulip latch 😭

I mean im just going to say it how it is.

Slaz is trying to gatekeep his own community just so he can have a “super serious high amount of teamwork in 127 conq” servers and yaps all the time about how bboce should be shut down because it doesn’t cater to what he wants. He’s in the minority of opinions because if such opinion like his being the “main one” was the case, people wouldn’t be trying to seed BBOCE to fill it up, nor would they have community official checked in search.

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Same guy who’s complaining about how other Aussie’s should accept the fact he’s going to say gamer words and that he shouldn’t get in trouble for that blobshrug

shrewd lichen
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Im for more servers being open in OCE and all that, but conq only? Really?

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Like i dont think your average joe wants to play nothing but conqest all day

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Every day

shrewd lichen
thorny lagoon
shrewd lichen
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Slaz is the type of guy to unironically consider himself a sigma male

torpid sigil
# trim plover I mean im just going to say it how it is. Slaz is trying to gatekeep his own c...

BBOCE has bled thousands, not hundreds, thousands of players from the game since release of community servers. So many flat out refused to play on it for it's r^tarded rules and banned weapons. Those who didn't leave outright went to American servers months ago/last year to play conquest. More recently now the few remaining players are playing Asia which surpasses Oceania x5 over.
Facts before paragraphs mate. The game was undoubtly at it's best before community servers.

median steppe
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If you want to claim that what youre saying is factual, you have to actually back up your claim.

torpid sigil
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Scroll to the top of this thread

median steppe
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I dont know what you think that shows.

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You present nothing to back up the claim that the reason bbr is dead in OCE is because of BBOCE

trim plover
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And if such was the case anyways, people would be unchecking community meaning an official would generate

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You’re in the minority of players where most dont mind it eShrug

torpid sigil
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Many people share the sentiment and have said the same thing over the year. That reddit post was a good one.
When the game was active before community servers there was thousands of players and multiple full 254 Official servers. It all progressively went to shit after community servers and the player bleed began. Quite a lot of people would never ever play in BBOCE and when there was no local alternative, they bled out and dropped the game entirely.

Playercount evidence: there were full servers in January-Febuary but since I uninstalled and stopped seeding ABG this region lost 50% of it's players even with a sale, and cannot maintain even a half server during a weekend.

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BBOCE bleeds new players at a much faster rate than anything else

trim plover
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again literally uncheck community and official generates. If one didn’t that’s on oki not bboce

torpid sigil
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To be expected when the gamplay is spam rush die respawn repeat.

trim plover
median steppe
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Yeah I dont understand why you think there's no way to make an official server.

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If people wanted to play official they would, they're available for them to play

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If people wanted to play abg more than bboce, they would

torpid sigil
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The only time an Official server was generated for us was during the free weekend.

median steppe
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Why is that?

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Why do you think that happened?

torpid sigil
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All servers full > game generates a new official server for this region. It was the only time we wern't held hostage but even then it was unfortunately invasion 24/7 because of the gamemode voting

trim plover
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Because invasion was new and people want to try new things. Just like those who play infy modes only want to play infy, same with non-infy players.

median steppe
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When does the game generate official servers?

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Do you even know how that works?

torpid sigil
trim plover
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So.. literally what I said. Thank you

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Invasion is new, people see it as new, they want to try it.

“Why is it voted the most” when people want to try new content… hmmm…

And even with that limit if it was in place, it would be conq > invasion on a loop.

torpid sigil
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Bro learn to read. I'm sure it was the same in other regions too

This was there permanently even when it's supposed be that you cannot play the same gamemode twice.

trim plover
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For devs to gather feedback and give everyone a chance to try the new mode

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Congrats, most of your region wanted to try new things.

median steppe
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How are you simultaneously against random voting and angry that invasion was getting picked a lot?

torpid sigil
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I'm not mad. Invasion was quite fun when it released but the gameplay was eventually revealed to be pretty fucked. Lots 40 minute games as a defender which were a total slog. Though it increased the playercount after christmass it unfortunately didn't represent the game to new players as well as Conquest would, which the end of game map voting would scarcely allow us to player since Invasion was permanently an option.

You understand how official servers are generated now or nah?

median steppe
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Okay. I'm not sure what that has to do with official servers generating though.

torpid sigil
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You brought it up by asking how to generate an official server 🤔

median steppe
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I asked you if you understand how they are generated, because you seem to think that they just kind of pop up out of nowhere or something

torpid sigil
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We remain held hostage because we cannot generate an official vanilla server to play on and are forever subject to these shitty community servers.

torpid sigil
trim plover
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So you’re saying there’s less then the 18 required people queuing official with community unchecked for it to generate?

torpid sigil
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I should stop uncollapsing messages

torpid sigil
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thus, we are held hostage

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I wasn't aware unchecking it can generate one, but coordinating 18 players is an impossibility

median steppe
trim plover
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The alternate solution would be what BR has currently if you want only official played. (1-2 dedicated official that are always online) But then you screw everyone who wants to play community, hence why it’s currently reserved for the Brazilian region only (they literally had nowhere else since Sen chior shut their doors)

median steppe
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Because I cant find it

torpid sigil
median steppe
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Oh you just think they generate when community servers are full?

torpid sigil
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Though anyhow recently the community manage created a permanent 64 player server that no one has yet to play on because it's.... 64 players lol. One step forward, one step back.

torpid sigil
median steppe
trim plover
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eShrug gotta convince terminal and oki to change it to 127, Brazil had that issue too

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Until enough of them spoke up about it

median steppe
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I'll explain how it works in full since you are missing some details: Official servers are generated when there are 18 players queuing quick match who have no available slots in any other servers that match their selected filter (Official, Community, and Community Modded are the options). Once there's an active official server, no community servers will get default quick play players until the official server is filled. The vast majority of players are default quickplay players, which means they will search for Official servers and non-modded Community servers.

torpid sigil
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Hmm thank you for the clarification.

median steppe
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The problem arises when a given region doesnt have enough players to fill more than one server. What ends up happening is there is a majority of players who dont care what type of server they play on, and a split minority who do. The official players have to get 18 people together to launch a server to get prio. The community players have to seed their server to get quickplay players to fill it.

torpid sigil
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I have a few steam friends but not 18 of them able to coordinate like this every night. Could of been a game changer

trim plover
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Get 18 people and as you would probably say “im free from bboce”

torpid sigil
trim plover
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And uncheck community ofc

torpid sigil
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so it gives it a huge advantage

trim plover
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I wont go too much into detail because I wanna still be able to play on bob’s and e4gl, but servers usually try to seed and reset around the same times daily (reset has to happen once per day to prevent issues iirc)

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You know when bboce attempts to seed, you could in theory get 18 people to generate an official and take prio over them

median steppe
trim plover
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^ hence also why official dedicated is usually done as a last resort, since you asked slaz

median steppe
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The point is, if there really were so many people who only wanted to play conquest, then you guys would have an official server extremely easily. The fact that it's so hard for you to get one spun up really shows that not as many people want to (or wanted to) play conquest only as you think.

pearl ermine
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did Slaz come back just to leave again when he found that nobody actually agreed with him?

trim plover
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Yes

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I’m convinced he’s secretly holding out hope for “the opportunity to play OCE conq” but is pretending to doompost because negativity generally gets more attention.

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Like I said, I welcome him to try to get enough people together to generate an official (needs 18 people queuing official only, not community in total + bboce has to not be full for his plan actually work. He knows this now so assuming he’s actually planning on trying to get this to work, it shouldn’t be hard for him to test his theory regarding gameplay in his own region.)

But I have my doubts it will be mostly vehicle modes given most of that region seems to prefer infy modes (specifically frontline currently)

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I could be wrong. I could be right. I won’t know until he tries. (If he ever does, anyways.) Given how BBOCE is still the go to for OCE though.. that leads me to think it’s still him being annoyed at his own region not liking what he does.

shrewd lichen
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I just dont know why he comes back

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Didnt he literally say at some point how he gave up on bbr

thorny lagoon
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Honestly just ban him

shrewd lichen
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We should just spam that image whenever he speaks

median steppe
shrewd lichen
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Idk and idc

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Heres the image just spam if he comes back

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thorny lagoon
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I imagine Slaz has a lisp, someone who talks like he does has to

median steppe
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you dont have to be mean to people with lisps

thorny lagoon
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Not every person with a lisp is like slazenger I’m sure a lot of people with lisps are great people

shrewd lichen
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People with lisp would kill slaz

tulip latch
random shell
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and the whitelisted guys immediately spun up like twice as many servers as OCE could pop at peak, so there was ALWAYS a community server and basically no chance of spinning up an official

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most of us that didn't want to play some shithouse perk enabled, smoke only, infantry only server just went to servers in other regions instead

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for a few weeks at least, then OCE kinda just died

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I don't even remember what hosts were fucking around with settings so idk if "BBOCE" is to blame, but there was a lot of rule changes in the early weeks

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so yeah the shitty launch of community servers and the fact that like half the whitelisted ones in OCE were not even close to vanilla BB killed off most of the OCE playerbase

trim plover
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But in regards to not knowing the info, that's more of a "oh hey I didn't know this" issue due to oki/the game not explaining it. Not BBOCE's fault, nor is it the fault of the players who like the modded settings who happened to know how seeding worked in BBR.

shrewd lichen
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I mean now you lads know

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You just need 18 dudes and you be set

trim plover
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Assuming it's a common complaint, getting that number before a community fills shouldn't be an issue, right?

shrewd lichen
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Tbh it cant possibly be overly difficult to get 18 people

median steppe
shrewd lichen
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OCE is either super unlucky that 18 dudes didn't happen to queue at the same time or what chum said

random shell
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I'm not talking about ONLY conquest or whatever the fuck

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I'm talking about the fact that hitting quick play in OCE had like a 50/50 chance of being put in a heavily modded server which killed the region

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Because yeah lazy fucks tend to just hit quickplay and if they don't find something they like they just swap region or stop playing

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It's not just "unlucky" that oki only whitelisted two hosters for OCE and one of them is allowed to be full progression despite being modded out the ass

shrewd lichen
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You did read the part where you can disable queing on community servers right

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It cant be that fucking hard for 18 dudes to gather and start a server

median steppe
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If one of the community servers has players and isnt modded then why didnt they just join that one?

shrewd lichen
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Wouldnt make sense if every OCE server was super modded

median steppe
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They werent, there was BBOCE and ABG

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ABG was pretty much just vanilla conquest, BBOCE had kill streaks and jerseys and stuff

pliant gate
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BBOCE used to be uhh less accommodating
no heavy/exo armor, no flashbangs and nades, colored uniforms

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mostly just fast respawn and perks now

random shell
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insta join server or wait for an official to spin up when enough people who turned off community servers show up in a small region, most pubs are just going to join whatever

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my lord I don't know why you dickride a server in a region you don't even seem to play in

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but kurossu is correct, idk what mods they have now but BBOCE used to be a shitshow where nothing was worth playing except medic

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and the vanilla servers were already 70% medics

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I know community servers implementation fucked CN and SEA/JP regions too, because officials eventually died and the CN servers that outseeded everyone had dogshit performance

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bad implementation, bad choices for whitelisting server hosts pretty much killed off the AP region as a whole

median steppe
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You CANNOT out seed officials if they exist

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You are making the mistake of thinking that your position is far more popular than it is. If people actually hate community server to the point where they quit the game because of them, you would think that maybe they would try to turn off queuing for community servers first?

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There are thousands of people in OCE that played the game. Surely if there was a significant portion of them that only wanted to play official there would be atleast 18 players trying to queue official during peak hours?

trim plover
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If it’s a lack of knowing how seeding/official generation worked at the time or not, that is a different story and would ultimately fall on oki for failing to explain it

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But blaming community server(s) in general for oki making such a questionable decision to begin with is just nonsensical. I agree for the record that oki’s whole whitelist shit is dumb and should change to allow for more servers. Will it happen? Who knows, maybe when he stops being paranoid about xp farming in a game where the people who wanted to get p10 likely already have it.

trim plover
shrewd lichen
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Honestly if people strictly wanted officials they would uncheck community servers
Like legit the first thing that pops up for a new player when they click quick play is what kind of server they want the quickplay option to choose from

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Its not some obscure option or anything

median steppe
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I dont think that there is any person alive who wants to play bbr, presses the quickplay button, gets sent to a community server, then gives up entirely and quits the game forever.

viscid pasture
plush radish
plush radish
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they COMPLAIN.

trim plover
plush radish
shrewd lichen
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Only unofficial progression setvers are inchecked

potent lagoon
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bls OCE servers 😭

slow gorge
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i dont think you can blame any of this on BBOCE though

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its not their fault they are the most popular server

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the real issue is that its too difficult to spin up an official server and keep it on

median steppe
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They dont reach the intelligence / problem solving threshold that I think most people would deem necessary to be called a person

slow gorge
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i doubt most people know that official servers are spun up on demand

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i mean hell if i dont really give a shit about a game and just play it casually i would never go searching online or in discord

median steppe
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I agree

slow gorge
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and then if i hop in that game and the official queue gives me nothing for a few minutes then i leave

median steppe
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The key difference is with bbr you have A) the server browser and B) a checkbox that you are shown to queue for official servers only

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Those that I describe in that message use neither of those things despite somehow knowing enough about the game to only want to play official servers.

quaint mantle
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Whered the flaming d**k go>?

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I was gonna react to it

slow gorge
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they just get in a server with a bunch of sweats and certain things disabled

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and that makes them quit

median steppe
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Those are the aforementioned homunculi, not people

random shell
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old chum is just tilting at strawmen up there

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the whole being held hostage by shitty community servers part is a result of the bad rollout not a cause, from what I've heard NA community servers are fine so lucky them

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but AP had janky modded servers in AU or stuttery messes in CN

torpid sigil
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Aussie Battler Gaming servers deleted. Excellent news. A step closer to actually being able to play the game again without shit head A*stralian admins destroying what remains of the playerbase. BBOCE next!

torpid sigil
torpid sigil
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@stone fable I request on behalf of the Oceania region that you endeavor to convince Oki to change the current 64 player official server that was recently added to Oceania to a 254 player server. While you are at it, be sure to mention to that the forced alternating gamemodes at the end of match game voting need to be removed too, along with the random roulette map voting (if that is currently how official servers are set up by default.). Thank you!

torpid sigil
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Furthermore Terminalintel, if the update does release and the only option for new players joining the game is some vile modded server that's infantry only and a 64 player server it will be terrible for giving them a first impression. Not a single helicopter or armor vehicle! Let's get it sussed out for when it drops. 👍

thorny lagoon
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lose some weight

tulip latch
torpid sigil
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oof. Game generated another 64 player server instead of a 254 tonight.

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hardy grailBOT
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