quasi forum
When a gamemode is played, that gamemode is removed from the next voting queue until the end of the next game. This can help diversify official servers without several official servers becoming 24/7 invasion, conquest, frontlines, etc. for weeks on end.
Edit: Or we could do this: Rock the vote. Somebody can initialize a counter vote during a game and if enough people go for it, the mode is excluded from the next voting round.
This is mostly a complaint about invasion on NA servers being voted on nearly every official server but I think it would be a good change nonetheless
rose saffron
just join a different server
there are normally one or 2 for domi or frontlines
other than that its conq or inv
quasi forum
Official servers should be diverse 24/7. Community servers already have servers dedicated to certain game modes like invasion anyways. But you dont have a lot of selections anyways for 127v127 community servers.
winter lynx
If most people wanna play invasion, why not let em play invasion?
quasi forum
If most people wanna play invasion, why not let em play invasion?
Then play community servers that offer 24/7 invasion.
Or play what is your second favorite game mode and then vote for invasion after the next game
🤷♂️
winter lynx
Then play community servers that offer 24/7 invasion.
Why can't you just go to community servers that offer other modes then? If the mode wins the vote, it's what most people want.
wheat falcon
Why can't you just go to community servers that offer other modes then? If the m...
Not exactly true. If 34% vote for something and win, you still have the other 66% that want something different.
winter lynx
Not exactly true. If 34% vote for something and win, you still have the other 66...
None of them want the same though, in that case invasion is still the one that most people agree on wanting.
wheat falcon
They want something other than invasion
quasi forum
You really want to be playing only invasion for weeks on end in official?
When do you get tired of it?
Because it’s been more than a week of invasion
wheat falcon
Everyone that doesn't vote for invasion agree they don't want invasion
In this case the actual majority don't want to play invasion.
quasi forum
Exactly
wheat falcon
Same thing with map votes
winter lynx
You really want to be playing only invasion for weeks on end in official?
If that's what wins the vote, sure, otherwise I can go to a specific server for something else
winter lynx
In this case the actual majority don't want to play invasion.
And what do they want then?
winter lynx
Something other than invasion
And what specifically do they want?
quasi forum
Literally anything else
upper sierra
What do they want?
wheat falcon
Something other than invasion
upper sierra
Okay.. but.. what do they want? the majority?
wheat falcon
Something other than invasion
upper sierra
See invasion wins if they can't agree.
wheat falcon
If you have 2 choices you'll get a better answer, but there are multiple choices
winter lynx
If 40 people vote for all the others combined, and 40 vote for invasion, that means invasion is still the single most popular choice.
wheat falcon
But the majority don't want invasion
winter lynx
If you have 2 choices you'll get a better answer, but there are multiple choices
There are multiple choices, and the most popular choice wins.
upper sierra
But the majority don't want invasion
The majority can't agree on one gamemode to play.
wheat falcon
The majority can't agree on one gamemode to play.
Because there's more than 2 choices
upper sierra
Why should there be less?
winter lynx
Because there's more than 2 choices
And out of those choices, invasion is often the most popular
wheat falcon
So you're saying the majority of people should have to listen to a minority 100% of the time
quasi forum
Why not switch official servers to play another game mode? Oh wait, every single one is playing invasion
wheat falcon
It's never a vote over 50%
winter lynx
So you're saying the majority of people should have to listen to a minority 100%...
if that minority is the largest one to agree on a vote, yes, that's democratic.
wheat falcon
if that minority is the largest one to agree on a vote, yes, that's democratic.
That doesn't mean it's good lmao
upper sierra
it works
upper sierra
yes
winter lynx
That doesn't mean it's good lmao
So it's better to force people to play another mode that the majority don't want? If invasion is the one to get the most votes, that means that all the other modes are even less popular, you'd just be giving power to a much smaller minority.
wheat falcon
So it's better to force people to play another mode that the majority don't want...
That won't happen as often as it is currently
weak sparrow
this is what mario kart voting is supposed to address, idk what happened to it
quasi forum
So it's better to force people to play another mode that the majority don't want...
Let’s bring it back to the original purpose of this suggestion, why not agree with one game mode not being able to be chosen until the next round?
winter lynx
That won't happen as often as it is currently
If invasion is always getting more votes than any other mode, it'd be happening with every vote.
wheat falcon
If invasion is always getting more votes than any other mode, it'd be happening ...
Mate invasion is getting voted almost every game
It's not fun. I like the mode, but variety is more fun than the same thing everyday
weak sparrow
it's karma for months of 24/7 conquest wakistan
wheat falcon
it's karma for months of 24/7 conquest wakistan
Don't take me back
winter lynx
Mate invasion is getting voted almost every game
Cause it's the one most people agree on wanting. If you force it to be other modes, you'd thereby just be letting a smaller group dictate which mode to play.
wheat falcon
Cause it's the one most people agree on wanting. If you force it to be other mod...
So the smaller group should have 0 say every time?
winter lynx
So the smaller group should have 0 say every time?
If they can't get enough votes, yes, that's generally how a vote works.
wheat falcon
If they can't get enough votes, yes, that's generally how a vote works.
That doesn't mean it's a good thing
upper sierra
Let’s bring it back to the original purpose of this suggestion, why not agree wi...
The nature of making a suggestion on voting is that it's a shit starting topic, just better to use the one of many that already exist.
quasi forum
The nature of making a suggestion on voting is that it's a shit starting topic, ...
The rest are dead threads and they are not similar to as this one
winter lynx
Let’s bring it back to the original purpose of this suggestion, why not agree wi...
Why do it though? The other modes are simply just not as popular, so why force them on people?
winter lynx
That doesn't mean it's a good thing
Is it better to just force less popular choices on people?
wheat falcon
Is it better to just force less popular choices on people?
Yes, because right now you get the same mode and maps every single day for hours.
Look at #1133151405125935307 screenshots
Look at how homogeneous it is before and after the changes
winter lynx
Yes, because right now you get the same mode and maps every single day for hours...
Cause that's the ones most people can agree on wanting.
If the others are consistently less popular, then that's an issue with them.
wheat falcon
How many people are in your games lamenting playing the same things over and over again
wheat falcon
Cause that's the ones most people can agree on wanting.
If the others are consi...
Again, it's not the majority.
winter lynx
Again, it's not the majority.
It is though, it's not a binary choice.
wheat falcon
You only get a representative majority when choices are down to 2
Again, most people do not vote invasion
Each vote is a choice to want to play something over the others
winter lynx
Again, most people do not vote invasion
Out of all the choices, most people do vote invasion out of the choices presented to them.
wheat falcon
Most people want to play something other than invasion
But that's not the majority of the lobby
winter lynx
Most people want to play something other than invasion
Most people don't wabt to play any other specific choice.
wheat falcon
Most people don't wabt to play any other specific choice.
But most people specifically want to play something other than invasion
winter lynx
It's not a choice between invasion or not invasion, it's a choice between multiple options, and the most popular option is invasion
winter lynx
But most people specifically want to play something other than invasion
Specifically which choice does the majority want then?
wheat falcon
If you aren't voting for something, you're actively not choosing that option. That's what having one vote means
winter lynx
I get you need to present it as a binary choice for your argument, but it's simply just not reality.
winter lynx
If you aren't voting for something, you're actively not choosing that option. Th...
You're voting for an option, not against another.
wheat falcon
It's not for my argument. It's how having one vote works. If you have multiple votes that that would be more representative of the majority
winter lynx
If you can't get a majority to vote for one specific other option, then that's not what you're gonna get
wheat falcon
If you can't get a majority to vote for one specific other option, then that's n...
Yeah, because that system is not good
winter lynx
It's not for my argument. It's how having one vote works. If you have multiple v...
Having one vote means you get to choose one option. If one choice gets the most votes, then it's the single most popular option.
dull sparrow
If most people wanna play invasion, why not let em play invasion?
You overestimate most people. They just see that it says “new” and click there. And the only exception is this mode. Everything would be fine if he weren't an exception
winter lynx
You overestimate most people. They just see that it says “new” and click there. ...
Their motive for wanting it doesn't change that they choose it.
dull sparrow
Their motive for wanting it doesn't change that they choose it.
There would be no problems if this worked for all modes. This is obviously either a bug or the dumbest solution from Oki
wheat falcon
Having one vote means you get to choose one option. If one choice gets the most ...
It's not. Again, you only get one vote. If you vote for something you can't vote for another. Which means you are willingly not choosing certain options. Which means the majority is willingly not wanting to play invasion
winter lynx
It's not. Again, you only get one vote. If you vote for something you can't vote...
So which single mode is more popular?
"not invasion" is not a mode, which mode gets the most votes?
wheat falcon
If you limited it to 2 choices, not invasion would win
winter lynx
If you limited it to 2 choices, not invasion would win
Is "not invasion" a gamemode?
wheat falcon
Is "not invasion" a gamemode?
It doesn't matter. If it was a choice between invasion and random, currently random would win. Why? Because most people won't vote invasion
You can replace "not invasion" with something else.
winter lynx
It doesn't matter. If it was a choice between invasion and random, currently ran...
So which single gamemode is getting the most votes then?
wheat falcon
Again, one vote is not representative of the real majority
winter lynx
You can replace "not invasion" with something else.
You can, but that'd then make it a completely different argument
wheat falcon
So which single gamemode is getting the most votes then?
You can't get a single game mode because there's not 2 choices
This isn't a gotcha
Most vote for something not invasion
winter lynx
You can't get a single game mode because there's not 2 choices
So then a single game mode isn't getting the most votes and getting chosen all the time? Problem solved for you then.
winter lynx
Most vote for something not invasion
And what specific mode do most people vote for then? Which one gets chosen in the system that chooses the mode based on which one gets the most votes?
wheat falcon
And what specific mode do most people vote for then? Which one gets chosen in th...
I'm saying you can't get that because there isn't 2 choices
If it's invasion vs conquest who is going to win
Not invasion
You can agree that the majority of the lobby does not want invasion right
winter lynx
If it's invasion vs conquest who is going to win
So if 5 people want conquest and the rest don't, why should those 5 get to choose for them?
winter lynx
You can agree that the majority of the lobby does not want invasion right
The biggest group in agreement want invasion, your solution is to just let an even smaller minority get to pick for everyone.
weak sparrow
obviously we need runoff elections
quasi forum
True, we need to vote for a voting president to make these battlebit changes for us
winter lynx
"not invasion" is not a gamemode despite what you seem to think. If the majority wanted conquest, they'd vote for conquest, but they don't, cause the majority don't want it.
wheat falcon
The biggest group in agreement want invasion, your solution is to just let an ev...
Invasion voters are already a minority
Majority means more than 50% lmfao
weak sparrow
from what i've seen most players typically don't vote for any game mode at all, servers should shut down after a single match imo
it's what the people want
winter lynx
Invasion voters are *already* a minority
And so are the groups who vote for any other gamemode. Why is it better to let the tiniest minority choose? If 50% want one choice, and the other 50% are spread out over 4 choices, each other option is getting picked less than invasion.
wheat falcon
And so are the groups who vote for any other gamemode. Why is it better to let t...
But it's not 50 holy mother
winter lynx
Invasion voters are *already* a minority
Every choice is a minority due to the amount of choices.
wheat falcon
Every choice is a minority due to the amount of choices.
Duh that's what I'm saying
winter lynx
But it's not 50 holy mother
It's still a larger percentage than any other mode lmfao
wheat falcon
But it's not a majority
winter lynx
But it's not a majority
That doesn't matter
dull sparrow
The problem is that we can only vote again for this game mode and no other.
wheat falcon
So if 9 people vote for 9 different things, and 2 people vote for the same, who is the majority
winter lynx
If nobody can get a majority, then power goes to the biggest group.
winter lynx
So if 9 people vote for 9 different things, and 2 people vote for the same, who ...
None of them, but the 2 are the largest single group.
wheat falcon
If nobody can get a majority, then power goes to the biggest group.
And that's not fun!
That's the whole point
It's not fun for a game
dull sparrow
The problem is that we can only vote again for this game mode and no other.
This already makes voting completely unfair.
winter lynx
And that's not fun!
Neither is forcing people to adhere to the 1 guy who voted for CTF lmao
wheat falcon
Neither is forcing people to adhere to the 1 guy who voted for CTF lmao
No one is saying that
Just remove the last game mode that was played. That's the whole suggestion
winter lynx
No one is saying that
So you agree that the power should go to the people who compose the single largest group then? That's the ones who vote invasion
wheat falcon
So you agree that the power should go to the people who compose the single large...
No
winter lynx
Just remove the last game mode that was played. That's the whole suggestion
Which would just mean you ignore the wishes of the single largest group
weak sparrow
but what if everyone on the server does just want to play invasion? there used to be 24/7 domination servers before community run ones were available just because people who wanted to only play dom stayed on it
wheat falcon
Which would just mean you ignore the wishes of the single largest group
Mate, when conquest is voted it won't show up again. Invasion does
The whole suggestion is to make things consistent holy mother
winter lynx
The whole suggestion is to make things consistent holy mother
Consistently bad
winter lynx
Mate, when conquest is voted it won't show up again. Invasion does
Yes so you can then whine about invasion showing up every other match
wheat falcon
Yes so you can then whine about invasion showing up every other match
It's way better than every single match lmao
winter lynx
If you want conquest, vote for conquest, and then accept that most other people just don't want conquest
winter lynx
If your preferred choice isn't getting the most votes, it's not what people want, that's really not such a difficult concept.
wheat falcon
Again, it's not a real representation
winter lynx
Again, it's not a real representation
Neither is forcing to be some other option
No singular choice is going to represent a majority
wheat falcon
If you want a real representation, you vote until only 2 options remain
wheat falcon
No singular choice is going to represent a majority
And that's why it's a broken system
You agree
winter lynx
If you want a real representation, you vote until only 2 options remain
That's still not gonna be real representation. Then the people whose choices get knocked out are still being ignored
winter lynx
And that's why it's a broken system
No, it lets the most popular option win
Not everyone is going to have the option they choose win, that's just not possible.
wheat falcon
Not everyone is going to have the option they choose win, that's just not possib...
It's not fun lmao
You just don't want to stop playing invasion
winter lynx
It's not fun lmao
Neither is being forced to play CTF if you hate that mode
wheat falcon
You cant possibly think this is good game design
Sounds like you're a little hurt about playing it once
winter lynx
You cant possibly think this is good game design
I think it's better than just ignoring the single largest group
wheat falcon
I think it's better than just ignoring the single largest group
Agree to disagree
winter lynx
So it's better to just let a smaller group dictate it for others? Why is it an issue to only listen to the largest group, but not an issue to listen to a smaller group?
dull sparrow
You cant possibly think this is good game design
He's just trolling or a little dumb
quasi forum
He's just trolling or a little dumb
Definitely trolling or too young
winter lynx
He's just trolling or a little dumb
Lmao keep whining about democracy not picking the option you want
dull sparrow
Lmao keep whining about democracy not picking the option you want
It's not democracy when the voting is unfair
winter lynx
It's not democracy when the voting is unfair
So the option with the least votes wins?
quasi forum
Bro... we are not arguing for a battlebit oligarchy
dull sparrow
So the option with the least votes wins?
My God. The whole problem is that you can only vote again for invasion. Why are you trying not to notice this in conversation?
winter lynx
Bro... we are not arguing for a battlebit oligarchy
No you're just whining about having to find a server that caters to you
quasi forum
No you're just whining about having to find a server that caters to you
u are having a fit
winter lynx
My God. The whole problem is that you can only vote again for invasion. Why are ...
You can't only vote for invasion
quasi forum
calm down
winter lynx
u are having a fit
I'm not the one namecalling others lol
dull sparrow
You can't only vote for invasion
my god...
dull sparrow
Other game modes disappear from the voting after the game, but not ivasion
winter lynx
Other game modes disappear from the voting after the game, but not ivasion
yep you're definitely blocked from voting conquest
quasi forum
i am not name calling. just trying to point out that its a flawed idea to only let the majority decide on one specific mode every time it comes up
dull sparrow
yep you're definitely blocked from voting conquest
other game modes also disappear
winter lynx
i am not name calling. just trying to point out that its a flawed idea to only l...
It's less flawed than forcing people to vote for a mode they do not want. Why is it better to force people to play conquest, CTF, or a third mode than forcing them to play invasion?
wheat falcon
Don't know why you're defending a broken system. Single vote voting is not the most fair. Ranked choice or even open ticket is more fair
This has been proven mathematically lmao
winter lynx
Don't know why you're defending a broken system. Single vote voting is not the m...
So outright blocking an option seems more fair than just picking the most popular?
wheat falcon
So outright blocking an option seems more fair than just picking the most popula...
Mate, the single vote system is inherently flawed. It's not a real representation
That's the whole issue
dull sparrow
So outright blocking an option seems more fair than just picking the most popula...
Shoot me down guys
wheat falcon
Ranked choice is way better
winter lynx
Mate, the single vote system is inherently flawed. It's not a real representatio...
Again, does it seem unflawed to you to block people from voting on the option they want?
wheat falcon
Again, does it seem unflawed to you to block people from voting on the option th...
Sure, it is a bit flawed. If the current voting system was changed it would be less wanted
The problem lies with the current system
dull sparrow
Again, does it seem unflawed to you to block people from voting on the option th...
all game modes are blocked but not this one
winter lynx
Ranked choice is way better
The post isn't about ranked voting, it's about entirely removing the option that people want
wheat falcon
The post isn't about ranked voting, it's about entirely removing the option that...
You're right. I like it because it's consistent
Doesn't matter if other modes are unlocked. I want consistency
Although, modes shouldn't be locked in the first place.
They're locked because the voting system is not fun. Same reason why they reduced the map pool
winter lynx
The only thing this would do is just get people to leave the server after every match of the mode they like
mighty radish
we had this before and it destroyed 32 rush on official servers
quasi forum
@winter lynx think of it like this, mario kart came out with a brand new mode that is very popular with its player base. every official server is that mode. its been more than a week and its still on almost every server because every other mode gets outvoted. two weeks in, its the same thing over and over again. The other players are getting fatigued that this mode is being played over and over again. they leave the game because its just one mode all the time. the game becomes more concentrated with playing the same mode because people who dont like the mode are leavin the game. i fear that is what is going to happen if something doesnt change the majority voting system somehow
dull sparrow
The only thing this would do is just get people to leave the server after every ...
And they will be able to quickly find a server with the mode they need. Don’t wait until, by some miracle, non-invasion wins the vote
mighty radish
the problem your trying to solve is a big one, but no back to back game modes is not the right approach imo. Or at least doesn't fix everything without creating its own problems.
winter lynx
<@381209845237415936> think of it like this, mario kart came out with a brand ne...
And what you're suggesting is just punishing whatever is popular. If the playerbase keeps making one choice, then that's the one they find the most attractive. If you want them to pick other options, make them more attractive, don't just ban them from picking the option they actually want.
quasi forum
i am not banning modes, but back to back modes 24/7 on official is very much fatiguing
winter lynx
i am not banning modes, but back to back modes 24/7 on official is very much fat...
Blocking repeated modes would be banning them from making that choice.
quasi forum
then play community servers with 24/7
winter lynx
then play community servers with 24/7
The same can be said for you wanting to play any other mode, just go to community servers.
true cobalt
One of the issues I faced when it comes to voting is that a majority of the players will leave the match after the game and it’ll go from 127v127 to 70v70 for half of the game.
So bigger maps would feel completely empty at times. So I try joining another full server and by the time I join, the game nearly ends. And then the voting happens again where majority of everyone prefers certain modes/maps and the ones that don’t get what they want ends up leaving the server to go find the modes/maps they like.
Rinse/repeat.
quasi forum
The same can be said for you wanting to play any other mode, just go to communit...
That would be a really good suggestion if they were not dying off in the evening hours
winter lynx
That would be a really good suggestion if they were not dying off in the evening...
So why is it better that the people who want to play invasion have to deal with that?
quasi forum
Good you understand the issue I have presented in the beginning of the thread. Then lets agree to give game modes a decent chance to be played on official without it constantly being one mode being back to back 24/7
winter lynx
Good you understand the issue I have presented in the beginning of the thread. T...
If we're just gonna take away choice from the players, let's just completely take away voting since some maps and modes are always going to be more popular then. Even if you stop them from being played back to back, you're still just going to end up with a rotation of the same two all the time, and the issue will remain, the only way to remove it is to just randomize the choice.
quasi forum
If we're just gonna take away choice from the players, let's just completely tak...
Okay why dont we rock the vote? Somebody can initialize a counter vote during a game and if enough people go for it, the mode is excluded from the next voting round.
cold talon