new gun

[analog belfry]

Modern lever action 45 70 with a revolver to go with it have it. Have it so you can put attachments plus a 4x make have a slow ish reload. Real life there kinda slow to reload an have it so it kicks like a mule but have it at 70 dmg an slow fire rate

[dire coyote]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1170741264791130162

[analog belfry]

@dire coyote I did says nothing about my post just says nothing old doesn't say new guns don't understand why you keep posting that

[next aurora]

Lever action rifles are a 19th century invention. Nobody's using them in the army now.

[stiff seal]

Let's not bullshit, oki's putting experimental attachments on giving us a sense of Alternate reality technology on every soldier and amplified by recon drones giving everyone ESP.. why stop there.. what if the lever action rifle gets brought back because Browning started selling refurbished BLRs to the Russians in the current year?

[analog belfry]

@next aurora welp can say the same about the ak so your point is invalid

@stiff seal I just would love to have one in the game just for a fun gun to use you get bored using the same guns all the time it'd be nice to have something new that's not a dmr or AR or even a smg something completely different

[dire coyote]

the ak is from the 20th century 💀

ak 1974

[analog belfry]

@dire coyote lmao when was it first invented??? That's completely bs what you just said

[dire coyote]

the ak47 was made 1947 obviously

ak74 (the one we have in the game) in 1974

and that's the 20th century

[analog belfry]

Exactly

[dire coyote]

we are talking ak74 here blud

and even then your "point" wouldn't stand lol

[analog belfry]

So when was a lever action first invented 1860
There's modern lever action made to this day 20th century some your point isn't a point

[dire coyote]

cool

there's a leaked guns page on the wiki btw

[analog belfry]

@dire coyote cool but no lever action tho

[dire coyote]

ye

kind of makes you think aye

also how would you even balance that thing

[analog belfry]

@dire coyote 45 70 kicks like a mule there slow to shoot an slow to reload. Give it high dmg with high recoil an have a slow reload an slower cycle speed I've shoot 45 70 before I can tell you that Boi she kicks. Real life the range for them is about 150 yards after that there not as accurate an lose alot of power.

[dire coyote]

so a worse sniper

got it

[analog belfry]

@dire coyote lmao why you say that? I wouldn't want it to be in the sniper class more for a medic or assault of course it's not a sniper rifle

[dire coyote]

so just a bad gun all around lmao

[stiff seal]

sure, why not?

[dire coyote]

it's literally a worse sniper in every regard

and it also clearly doesn't fit the game

[stiff seal]

Lots of things don't 'fit' the game but were still added.

[dire coyote]

what for example?

[analog belfry]

@stiff seal damn straight cleo

[dire coyote]

yk you can also just, yk.. reply to a message right?

[shadow gorge]

I was gonna say that...

Right Click > Reply

You get a pass because you're new to discord.

[analog belfry]

Let's start off sniper trail glint on 4x how about that target finder dumb thing that makes everything doritos. Sorry not good with technology 🤣

[dire coyote]

all those fit lol

[analog belfry]

Ah OK so why aren't AR have that?

[dire coyote]

because they aren't snipers

they don't 1sk from 500m+ away

[shadow gorge]

A gameplay mechanic as a whole can't entirely be compared to what is essentially an ingame item, but it facilitates the point that sometimes something has to be added for the sake of gameplay, while other things just don't have a point.

If the devs choose to not implement lever actions for example, then that's that. Sniper Trails were added because this is a video game and video games need balancing. They weren't added because it's cool, there was a gameplay thought behind it.

Sooo not really a fair comparison.

[dire coyote]

exactly

[analog belfry]

Lmfao well I can tell you I've never had that problem just move an have map awareness

[shadow gorge]

Again with your map awareness, this doesn't even make sense in this context

[dire coyote]

i play assault, my job is to move lol

[analog belfry]

See problem solved movement

[dire coyote]

yet there's still some mf sitting in a tree thinking he's the coolest dude in existence taking pot shots at you

[wet sentinel]

why is that a bad thing?

[dire coyote]

and that severely hinders moving, snipers aren't suppression guns, lmgs and lsws are for that

[shadow gorge]

We're getting off topic here.

[wet sentinel]

snipers are meant to control sightlines 😭

anyways a lever action revolver sounds pretty cool

[shadow gorge]

This game uses mostly modern weaponry, firearms that you could reasonably see being used in a Military Scenario, a lever action is NOT that. A revolver, yes, especially modern ones I can at least reasonably see being used in the military though I doubt they are.

[wet sentinel]

have you seen the russian ukraine war?

[dire coyote]

haven't heard of any lever actions lol

[shadow gorge]

Yes, the scavenger hunt because after 2 years of bloodshed both sides are running out of supplies.

[analog belfry]

Dam straight them bois over that making shit work a weapon is a weapon

[wet sentinel]

100 year old machine gun and its being used

[dire coyote]

maxim guns and cuns from that period sure, but not goofy ah worse "sniper" rifles

[shadow gorge]

Out of NECESSITY. Blud didn't see the thing and went "You know what, I can make this work" and decided to forgo a modern arsenal.

[wet sentinel]

a gun is a gun, lever action rifles and pistols aren't a thing of the past, some firearms come equipped with that mechanism in the 21st century

[shadow gorge]

Not a compelling argument, if the design of the game is "semi-realistic military scenario" then by all accounts some guns just straight up don't make sense

[dire coyote]

they are for modern militarys

[wet sentinel]

how are lever action rifles not realisitc?

when they are real.

[wet sentinel]

some could be used in modern military

[dire coyote]

bro context

[shadow gorge]

I'm not saying the gun isn't, but their usage wouldn't be. We're US v RU, presumably in our current times, NEITHER side would hand those out to their men except if ABSOLUTELY necessary.

[dire coyote]

could
as already explained above out of necessity and not because they are oh so good guns

[wet sentinel]

US military rifle ^

[shadow gorge]

So add that one! :D

[dire coyote]

i seriously doubt that they hand that thing out to soldiers

[wet sentinel]

you asked for evidence, provided that and you refute it under 0 basis

makes sense

[shadow gorge]

if it's in the Military (dumb as it may look, seriously someone on the design department really shit the bed) then I'm not opposed

What I'd be less thrilled to see is weaponry that by all accounts would have no place in the modern military

[dire coyote]

i mean yeah, but then wtf would it be?
a worse dmr? a worse sniper?

[wet sentinel]

schlam you literally have 0 argument, you are just saying no for the sake of it.

[shadow gorge]

he literally just asked a quesiton

what category?

[wet sentinel]

probably a battle rifle or dmr

[analog belfry]

Think of it like this it can be used as a sniper but then you don't got a range you can use it cqb but then you have a disadvantage now mid range is where it shines

[shadow gorge]

DMR would make more sense, with the cycle speed at least.

[dire coyote]

yes.

[shadow gorge]

So a DMR.

[wet sentinel]

it being "worse" is up to the devs

[dire coyote]

because it has no real basis in modern combat

[wet sentinel]

so why would the US manufacture and distribute them?

for shits and giggles?

[shadow gorge]

anyway i'm hungry, I will go eat my shrimp salad

[analog belfry]

no dmr are semi auto so no its not

[dire coyote]

we are talking about forces with all the equipment one could need, heck they even got full kits with attachments

[wet sentinel]

.

[viral geyser]

i must have missed the part where people get standard issue suicide vests

[shadow gorge]

okay that one's a gimmick like the pickaxe and hammer

this weapon isn't a gimmick

[wet sentinel]

its not milsim at the end of the day

[shadow gorge]

but still set in reality

we can go silly here and there but there's some margins we shouldn't cross

[wet sentinel]

yes the suicide vests do really make you feel like a true american

lever action rifles oh lord no

[shadow gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[shadow gorge]

Again, if it's modern and could reasonably be used, I'm not opposed

[analog belfry]

Oh so it's alright for a guy to troll with a sledge or pickaxe but not with a lever action

[shadow gorge]

AGAIN, IF ITS IS MODERN; I AM FINE WITH IT.

[viral geyser]

spetsnaz axe throwing backflip where

[analog belfry]

Modern there you go

[shadow gorge]

I'm not complaining because it simply IS a Lever Action, I was opposed because I didn't see how it realistically could be used

[shadow gorge]

I literally gave in 5 minutes ago why are you still arguing with me

[wet sentinel]

😭 go munch man

[shadow gorge]

I now see that there are very modern Lever Action variants, so I am no longer opposed >:(

just don't let this open the door for fucking

muskets and shit

[viral geyser]

woah there

[shadow gorge]

now THAT would be a lil too silly for me

[viral geyser]

whats wrong with sex update

[analog belfry]

Thanks an a musket lmfao

[shadow gorge]

???????????????????????????

[dire coyote]

fr no sex update

[analog belfry]

Gotta make a new game where it's civil war with cannons an muskets

Call it battlebit civil war edition

[dire coyote]

minecraft might be the better game for you then

[viral geyser]

battlewar 😎

[analog belfry]

Ah shit we need them to get on board with this

[analog belfry]

That shit would slap so hard your momma would feel it

[next aurora]

Jeez, such american way of thinking that since a gun can be bought then it has to be in a game. Last time I checked Lever action rifles were not used by any army in the world. Hence why they shouldn't be in the game.

[analog belfry]

Canadian bro

[next aurora]

Every single gun that is right now in game is in service of some country. Russia, USA, UK, Singapore, Australia, Sweden etc.

[wet sentinel]

suicide vest..

[next aurora]

Hamas

[wet sentinel]

you are so misinformed it genuinelly hurts

[next aurora]

but at the same time I personally don't like suicide vest as it is just worse C4

[analog belfry]

Your point dont make sense ain't no Russian or us soldier gonna strap a vest to them self an run into battle so a lever action isn't any different then putting suicide vest

[wet sentinel]

or use a sledge hammer in an infantry battle

[next aurora]

Hence why I am opposed to it being in the game

[wet sentinel]

whats your point?

[analog belfry]

Look at Russians or Ukraine using world War 2 weapons

In my books a gun is a gun still will kill you if your shot same goes with levers

[next aurora]

we ain't talking about a country that has to literally scrape the barrell to have anything

[wet sentinel]

so your argument changes to suit your point

makes sense

[wet sentinel]

this previous message isn't there? 🤣

[analog belfry]

Bro talking through his ass checks

[next aurora]

Also nothing that was made before 1960

[wet sentinel]

i know that, there are lever action weapons that are made this year

[viral geyser]

If stuff that Russia uses is going to be your measuring stick, I'm pretty sure they've found Mosin Nagants in their trenches as of lately...

[wet sentinel]

a military will pickup whatever, and at the end of the day its funny block game, who cares if your average Navy seal wouldn't of used a lever action to rush down a tank?

[analog belfry]

Still being used today why because it's a Damn good invention look at the 50 cal browning same thing why change what works good

[next aurora]

Some people do, sych as I and lucuma, and we oppose that stupid idea

[wet sentinel]

so you play this game for its realism factor?

[viral geyser]

Sterling and Sten are still in use by many African nations btw

[analog belfry]

Because it's a good gun why make a new one when she still slaps

[wet sentinel]

spawing out of thin air, healing any wound in 2-3 seconds and using movement tech to avoid taking fall damage when jumping out of a high rise apt building screams realism

[next aurora]

Damn, people really dense in USA. Don't you really see no difference between M2 HMG that has reached it's peak design and hasn't been outclassed by any other HMG, and a damn lever action rifle that was last time used in WW1 by russian empire for cavalary units

[analog belfry]

Canadian

[next aurora]

Good lord, reformer spotted

[wet sentinel]

tell me toonell, how is a lever action rifle different from a bolt action sniper

ill answer for you, its literally if a battle rifle and a dmr had a baby

thats it

[next aurora]

If you area talking about those subpolar indigineus unit that has like 70 people in it, then it's too small of a sample. Second they haven't had any combat experience?

[analog belfry]

Go read history what you just said is complete bullshit

[next aurora]

A name differentiates them in the first place? A different way of cycling the bullets? Lever action being being more prone for jamming? Bolt action rifles being able to be fed with stripper clips/ magazines?

[analog belfry]

We don't start wars like crazy USA

[wet sentinel]

what is your evidence behind lever actions being prone to jamming?

[next aurora]

Go read? Ha good joke. It's your job to provide me the sorce

[analog belfry]

Lever action is actually very reliable both bolt action an lever are by fair more reliable them semi or auto

@next aurora

Go read history before talking bs

[wet sentinel]

The reason i was asking between those two specifically is for one key distinction to see if you knew what you were talking about. Lever action rifles had a greater rate of fire to any bolt action rifle, the only con was its usability in prone. And some militaries were wary due to its much faster fire rate, it woulc cause more ammo consupmtion

[next aurora]

We talking WW2 or moder day conflict

[wet sentinel]

the weapon itself is on par with bolt action rifles

its not outdated under any sense.

infact lever action rifles were the more premium of the bunch, thats why it wasn't mass produced. 0 issue behind it in itself.

[next aurora]

Then if they are so good in your opinion then why no military wen't to western front with lever action rifle and didn't develop them in favor of semi automatic rifles such as M1 Garand, SVT-40, G41, G43 and down the like SKS

[wet sentinel]

simple answer my friend

🙂

to say that a lever action rifle is not viable in combat, is to say that bolt action rifles aren't either, and in fact worse.

[next aurora]

So there is a problem. They are too expensive and harder to maintain by your average soldier. same with M1 thompson that got switched up for M3 grease gun

And grease was better

[wet sentinel]

they were too expensive

now in modern day they are cheaper then most bolt action rifles, and are lighter weight, have a higher rate of fire. only drawbacks now are that bolt action rifles have superior range

i.e why it would be a great idea to include this as a dmr/battlerifle

[next aurora]

Then again- do we see any militaries that favor lever action rifles above high caliber bolt action rifles and semi automatic rifles

[wet sentinel]

its a niche in between high caliber bolt action and semi-automatic

only specialists would use it i assume

[next aurora]

DO WE SEE any militaries that favor lever action rifles above high caliber bolt action rifles and semi automatic rifles?

[wet sentinel]

do you see russia use the M249?

[viral geyser]

you don't see them because it's for the most specest of spec ops 😎

[wet sentinel]

nope since its a an american lmg, so how come russia team uses them and not the equivilent motherland counterpart?

since this realism is so crucial for your experience

[next aurora]

Aha, just like the ice wall around the flat earth. Trust me bro, it's there you have to trust me

[wet sentinel]

allow me to pose this question to you, DO YOU SEE any militaries that use the suicide vest?

[next aurora]

Motherfuuuu don't you see it's a game mechanic where we could've had any faction, even fictional and we use modern weapons

[wet sentinel]

lmaooo

so when it breaks realism under your rules its fine

[next aurora]

no I don't but at the same time I don't say it should be in game

[wet sentinel]

dont be angry toonell its okay

the lever action rifle wont hurt you

[viral geyser]

okay you know what you do see that isn't yet in game tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCra4qOrjFw

[wet sentinel]

akimbo m249 when?

[next aurora]

real

[next aurora]

Oh now you try to "calm" me? nice try

[analog belfry]

Read it

[wet sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-redshirt-red-redshirtmad-kid-mad-gif-26094399

when realism breaks ^

[next aurora]

That's the rule that devs came up with. Two real factions that use military issued weapons from all over the world

[next aurora]

ad hominem

Just accept that you are grasping at straws here

[viral geyser]

ad honorem

[wet sentinel]

or you could just accept that a lever action rifle is a modern weapon

🤯

[next aurora]

Fot publicum bonum civitatis Battlebit

[next aurora]

civillian use

[wet sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[next aurora]

gimme a picture, better yet 10, of US army using it

[wet sentinel]

under that stance ak74 is a civillian weapon in somalia

[analog belfry]

I'd take that to war definitely over a dmr you get hit by that bullet you ain't walking away thats for sure

[next aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[wet sentinel]

get me 10 pictures of women you have interacted with

better yet just one

[next aurora]

first designed for soviet army, then released for civilian use

[next aurora]

damn, another ad hominem

[wet sentinel]

same can be said for the lever action 🤣

[next aurora]

you have nothing to latch onto so you start throwing invectives at me

[wet sentinel]

you are the one that called me a motherfucker 😭

[next aurora]

and now only civilians use it while Ak-74 is a standard issued rifle for russian army

[wet sentinel]

didnt know the ak-73 was a gun

[analog belfry]

What about a hcar?

Modern m1 garand

[wet sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-isnt-real-no-way-for-real-are-you-serious-unbelievable-gif-15720269

toonel rn

[analog belfry]

Guys an gals we are so off topic

We talking about nonsense now

[wet sentinel]

my b was having too much fun fucking around, i genuinelly don't think lever action is that feasable in military combat, just wanted to egg on toonel 😭

[next aurora]

Cool, but no army is using it. Would rather see XM-5 as it's going to be new standard issue rifle for us military

[wet sentinel]

but as i said would be pretty cool

[analog belfry]

That's what you think

You don't know until it happens

[wet sentinel]

you should upvote that post i made #1183830822265049210

[next aurora]

Made by private company based in Ohio (sic!), only semiautomatic as it's dedicated for civillian market.

[next aurora]

already did

[wet sentinel]

G

[next aurora]

you should've checked

[analog belfry]

I really would like to run around with a lever though or hcar would be cool but in all honesty a lever would just be satisfying asf

[wet sentinel]

yea i can imagine the sound deisgn would be

https://tenor.com/view/satisfaction-uhh-kevin-owens-reassured-relaxed-gif-15742160

[analog belfry]

Wouldn't be good if you can't hit heads but when you do it'll be sick asf

[wet sentinel]

can you check? i thought only way was to hover over it and you get like the first 3 guys that do

[analog belfry]

Both 45 70 an would go nice together

[next aurora]

did you just like your own post?

[viral geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[analog belfry]

Damm straight

[analog belfry]

That not aloud?

What about a shotgun with slugs?

[manic magnet]

at that point add the SREM

[next aurora]

!shotguns

[wary citrus]

Are you planning the addition of shotguns?

NO

⠀

[sudden mulch]

can we just stop these gun suggestions
just fills the suggestions with useless stuff
and not to mention the limit of 1000 threads

[stiff seal]

Mods too busy chasing cat threads, make more gun threads is what im hearing.

[sudden mulch]

hmm
well
do we start the cult...

[stiff seal]

Of.. you mean .. that's cool.. we can do the horse cult another time..

[analog belfry]

Not really shotgun there called slug rifle

Slug rifle shot a solid projectile well shotgun shoot many I don't want shotguns there lame but a slug rifle is a shotgun in a sense but just shoots a solid projectile