hazy wave
I think the compromise between the people who want the game to not have doritos, and the people who has visibility issues is to only give the ability to auto spot to certain gadgets or the recon class only
Right now there isn't a choice to make between the target detector and other attachments, most of them are not as useful, i think to counteract the spam of the doritos it should be better to just... remove it...
bitter veldt
Oki's entire thought process for that thing literally was "hey remember that thing from Battlefield? sounds cool, I'll add it"
It was live on dev stream when he had that random bit of monologue lol
So yeah, maybe just adding things because they "sound cool" isn't actually a good idea
lethal gate
I'm fine if it was just recons that have the ability to give red Doritos. The rest should be like the old ping imo.
oblique citrus
disagree on recons having it. atleast until vilaskis stops making sniper heaven maps where you're always exposed to snipers
just remove live ping. it has no place in bbr and is by far killing all my interest in the game
cosmic mantle
just remove live ping. it has no place in bbr and is by far killing all my inter...
Agreed, if people don’t want to use voice chat to communicate then it’s just a skill issue
strong totem
Jessie, checate el DM!
lethal gate
The white pings with squad was decent enough. Awareness should be learned with experience and not simplified for people with short attention span
oblique citrus
^^^^
you can get into a cqc fight with someone, barely surviving each gunfight with eachother but now instead of having to rely on audio cues/timing/experience you just stare at the red dorito through the wall
modest crescent
Agreed, if people don’t want to use voice chat to communicate then it’s just a s...
People might be avoiding talking over comms because it also alerts enemies of your position if they are in ear shot. I know using squad comms previously allowed for enemies to hear me over squad chat becuase I had enemies responding to my callouts. I haven't heard of any change regarding the comms, if that is intended or a bug but, It's not a better solution if that's the case either. Unless you coral people into a closed discord channel but that's not happening in lobbies at a frequent rate that I'm aware of.
jaunty yacht
What’s cool though is you can do that neat thing from the movies without having to talk if both players have target detector. “I got guy on left you get guy on right” then you shoot both guys more or less at the same time. Hoping that’ll happen to me at some point lol
cosmic mantle
People might be avoiding talking over comms because it also alerts enemies of yo...
No people don’t talk because it’s literally a checkbox on first boot and the option is immediately provided to them instead of having to search for it.
They literally just turn it off
I can tell because I use chat and about 80% of people don’t respond to call outs
oblique citrus
i turned mine off because i get reported a lot for doing well, so it's really really funny to get racism voice reports when i haven't talked in game in like 300 hours
modest crescent
No people don’t talk because it’s literally a checkbox on first boot and the opt...
That's more than just a skill issue...that's a lack of reading comprehension and cognitive thinking. I always opt in but I rarely use comms when I'm alive unless I know there are no enemies around or the comm going out is more important than the enemy knowing our position (ie: already comrpromised by a flank)
cosmic mantle
I don’t care who’s around when I use comms. Always better to have someone come to me than skulking around
Again it’s people literally turning it off. Pay attention when you give accurate concise callouts how many actually react even if they don’t vocalize acknowledgement
lethal gate
It should be experience that if someone is ADS on one side of the door/window, the other should cover the other side. But there will always be someone blocking my view trying to see what I see
jaunty yacht
Hey
The target detector should be a unique color for each person using the detector
So that movie moment I talked about above is easier
And it doesn’t get blended in with other enemy pings
cosmic mantle
How about 3d spotting is entirely removed
modest crescent
I just try not to give the enemy more information than needed. It's situational though and not always cut and dry. A lot of team member's just don't respond so it's like talking to a wall. You can even be specific and call out directly to a player "hey ScubaSteve, enemy on the roof SW adjacent to my body, watch out" and they just tunnel vision at the window they're at. Then again, I dunno what is going on in their head and they could be choosing to ignore, have comms off like you said, or be legitimately deaf.
As for the target finder, it wasn't as big of a deal when it was released because spotting/pinging was borked when it released. Now under the new spotting system it just makes it dorito hunter remastered lol. Even the most awareness inept players can sorta figure out "moving red triangle, me shoot there maybe get kill". A general location spot isn't a bad thing but having live tracking on you allows for a player to know where you are going so they can engage in more real time. There is less guesswork. You can sorta wait it out but in action out in the open it's often just a cheese death sentence.
lethal gate
Prior, I just spam the ping button. If the squad doesn't respond, it's on them to die
lethal gate
Red Doritos kill the milsim aspect even more
1 ping is fine. Just let me spam it and get the attention of a squad mate
1 white ping, no red live tracker
cosmic mantle
Part of the issue is we went from proximity visibility on pings to global tracking
jaunty yacht
Oh yeah. 1 ping every 2 seconds or something my bad
lethal gate
I think if it's limited red ping and if it's on the map only. Nothing on the hud
Hud kills the fun when someone expects me and I don't even know it.
modest crescent
Part of the issue is we went from proximity visibility on pings to global tracki...
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm sure the target finder has lead to more rage reports since players won't be able to tell if someone is using a live ping to track them or "actually cheating" lol.
well, not explicitly the target finder but the new spotting system. The finder just enables more is all.
cosmic mantle
I'm sure the target finder has lead to more rage reports since players won't be ...
I had that just because I listen to people moving. But it was just local vc hackusations I don’t think I’ve ever been reported.
modest crescent
I had that just because I listen to people moving. But it was just local vc hack...
Yeah, I've been called a cheater before for sound whoring =/. Luckily rarely reported though.
jaunty yacht
Maybe the issue is deeper
What if you weren’t able to directly ping enemy
Just put red ping near him
Or generalized “enemy in this area” ping
cosmic mantle
So the original system???
Worked fine enough, if you’re near teammates they see a ping on the exact location you put it
modest crescent
Agreed. I'm not sure how exactly it helps new players as much either because if they were having issues before, being 3d spotted only makes them more prone to getting melted by the sweats they detest so much. More information to an experienced player is more of a net positive over a player that isn't sure when to pre-fire and so on.
lethal gate
Well before, tagging an enemy leaves a red static ping
Some complaints were it had no value because it was not live and enemies are gone
And being squad only
lament tulip
Agreed. I'm not sure how exactly it helps new players as much either because if ...
This really wasn't the skill ceiling lowering at all, the static pings were the most balanced version .
lethal gate
Static ping was best. It didn't reveal and it required game sense. Whether or not enemy is/was still there is where experience comes
If Oki wants to help newbies, he should have a training course instead of dumping people into the game and learn on their own then quit because it's too hard
lament tulip
any 3d at all.. really breaks it.
lethal gate
Just remove 3d ping or leave it for map view only
jaunty yacht
What if, you replaced 3D ping with a “gaze marker.” You could hold some ping button that places a moving marker that smoothly follows wherever you look, not the enemy, until you release the ping button. It turns red when hovering near enemies. It could even be invisible to teammates unless it is red.
lament tulip
I think pings should of been left alone, and he should of focused his time on what ever the hell he was trying to do with the sound.
or community servers... so we can fix the population bleed.
lethal gate
Sound is a better choice but that won't bring player retention when newbies are even trying to learn by dying
lament tulip
Sound is a better choice but that won't bring player retention when newbies are ...
Newbies who have trouble with this game probably weren't the games audience in the first place? It's easier than most titles, my only thought is they're trying to keep a younger audience who needs the help.
Roblox players.
jaunty yacht
With gaze marker you could help noobs similar to 3D ping. I believe gaze detector was a miss and gaze marker was the target.
lament tulip
The training course needs to be turned into a proper one.
And the first thing you click when you launch the game.
dire pumice
And the first thing you click when you launch the game.
true and factual
strong totem
Roblox players.
Hearing several people say that this is a "refined Phantom Force" gives you an idea...
strong totem
And the first thing you click when you launch the game.
In fact, let him teach you how to play as a team, coordinate with your teammates, things like that, not run around the map like crazy, in turn Oki must stop acquiescing to this type of people and stop nerfing in an unnecessary way things like the sniper role
We literally have assault rifles, DMR, light machine guns, smoke, RPG to combat snipers and yet they continue to nerf them just to continue pampering these people who don't like coordinating a strategy with local voice chat? I mean, they'd rather play the radio 24/7 than talk to you to coordinate a strategy, incredible.
The only thing that gets hot with things like 3D Spotting or Detector is to keep playing the same way