Add smoke trails to DMRs

[fresh portal]

The smoke trail doesn't matter for snipers if they get a headshot on you. Obviously then, it's function is to let you reposition only if they miss or get a bodyshot. In that scenario, DMRs are better since they can shoot faster and still be two-shot kills when used optimally. Therefore, it only makes sense to give them the same treatment.

[rose stirrup]

maybe glint but smoke would be to harsh

[fresh portal]

Why too harsh? Because other people would shoot back at you too easily? Simple solution: they also get smoke trails

Players should also leave a smoke trail behind them while they run so nobody is frustrated by not paying attention to people when they move around the map

[rose stirrup]

at this point give every gun smoke a lot of ARs can kill at like 150m

and i played with smoke was still getting plenty of kills sitting 50-100m from objectives just stayed moving after every so kill

like 50-10

just people need to learn to play around it

because i know a lot of people in game are sitting in one place amd not moving after 10 or so shots

amd getting killed because of it

and i know a support or an assault with a full auto gun taking that same play style will also die

[errant briar]

They never stop complaining aren't they?

[rose stirrup]

ya and as a recon main playing rn it feels almost exactly the same except i can run around with a 6x instead of a 4x XD

so I'm seeing it as an absolute win

[errant briar]

I don't even use recon anymore. I'm running around with engi/assault with DMR. Don't event need x4 for most games

[fresh portal]

Complaining about what? Smoke trails are great. It's not fun to be shot without knowing where it's coming from. Hence the more things that have smoke trails the more fun we will all have.

[strange grotto]

#1184004829325053994Look at my clips and tell me what you think.
I think the update is fine.

[stray hawk]

we need to know exact geolocation after every sniper shot and the ability to air strike them with 1 button

[errant briar]

They not fixing anything, you know? Most of DMR kills goes from 100-300m.
You won't be able to respond if DMR shooting from 300m anyway.
In closer distances DMR works exactly like AUG or AK15/SCAR
You want all DMR users to sit farther away? Like 500m away to be safe?

[fresh portal]

So what's wrong with smoke trails? At AUG ranges your target should be dead before they can react anyway

[errant briar]

They discourage you to play at AR range, because you now super visible at ranges where you die easily to any vector-cocain-addict-kid

[rose stirrup]

tbh most full auto guns are already easy to see where they are shooting with there tracers

[swift thorn]

To Strong dmrs yes like m110 and mk20

[rose stirrup]

same with DMRs excluding the m110

mk20 isn't really strong just really good in the right hands

you have to get a head shot to two shot so i don't have much of a problem with it

because most people dont hit head and have to go for 3 shots anyway

[errant briar]

Same goes for m110. Most people overestimate it's ability to 2 body shot kill.

Not to mention, it's way too clunky to use at longer ranges

[rose stirrup]

i was saying other DMRs are easy to see where shots are coming from because most people shoot them really fast bit the m110 is stupid op and 2 shots so even if you see the first shot your dead by the next

[rose stirrup]

bruuuuu my longest kill with it was like 1000m its really not hard to control if you know what your doing lol

so lets add smoke to any gun that does +50 damage

[errant briar]

Any way, my point about trails ^

[rose stirrup]

that seems fair to me

[errant briar]

You can say - if you stay closer than 200m - that's your problem, just stay farther.
OK, imagine all DMR stay far enough to be safe from AR. What's next?
AWW those shitters stay out of battle. I don't see they aiming at me! ARRR! Add glint RN!

Don't you see the pattern there?

The fundamental design issue RN, ARs range suck ass. They can't kill snipers, can't respond to incoming fire, have no suppression mechanic to fight long range campers. NOTHING CAN BE DONE. No glint fixes that. No trail fixes that. No sound changes fixes that.

[rose stirrup]

ya i still think its funny they said no shotgun but added DMRs and snipers both are stupid hard to balance without just pissing people off

[errant briar]

Well, I have a video for that exact case, lol #off-topic message

[errant briar]

DMR are way more balanced than snipers tho

[rose stirrup]

oh ya

tbh snipers are kinda balanced in this game with everything fucking melting in less then a sec if you hit all shots

and if they are far away the games movement stomps that into place

[errant briar]

Not in terms of range and lack of suppression

That's just all other weapons suck. tbh

At range

[rose stirrup]

i mean i don't think an ar should kill 500m out

and if your getting constant head shot on moving players 500m out then you deserve the kills

[errant briar]

They should tho. Not full auto tho. Semi with med range scope.

They at least have options to fight then

If you have no potions - there's where problem begins

[errant briar]

I mean at least those battle rifle ones. All other ARs should work at 300

[rose stirrup]

ok that i can agree with

but normal ARs shouldn't go out that far lol

i can agree with 300 on semi

also this sums up my thoughts on smoke trails

read my message and watch the vid I'm responding to

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[raw trench]

Smoke trail is too much even for snipers so DMRs it's just an overkill

[median cave]

so you want only adrenaline junkies on speed in the game and nothing else?

[fresh portal]

Absolutely not. We can add smoke trails to sprinting players to make sure that playstyle is also kept in check.

[median cave]

Really... if we are goingv to add mechanics that destroy playstyles i would prefer that oki added a stamina system that only allowed smg junkies to go at full speed for 1 sec with a 10 second cooldown. I mean why not let more people have their playstyle destroyed🤨

[verbal yoke]

Wrong already. Smoke trails suck even with a kill. You do realize this isnt a 1v1 game right? About 30 people can see the smoke trail at any given time with a few positioning situations being the exception. It isn't obvious that you should reposition, not even in movies you repo after EVERY shot. Before taking further nerfs into action, we should get proper data to evaluate if DMR oppression requires action in this way.

[verbal yoke]

HAHAHAHA motion blur intensifies

[verbal yoke]

indeed, why can they run for miles, but we get bullet trails?

[cinder vale]

DMR difference with snipers :

• Doesn't One shot Headshot, 0 TTK.
• Doesn't have Infinite range.
• Has downside from different range.
• Doesn't ignore Armor. (Exo only for sniper)
• Have to actually manage recoil.
• No access to scope over 6x.
• Needs to fire multiple bullets = More sounds, more flash, more tracers.
• Can/mostly is in range of BR/AR.
• Cannot duel snipers at long distance.
• If you want to kill fast someone from long range, you actually need to HS multiple time.
• In general is played under 400m and more around 200m.
• Have to think about ammo.

All this, make it so trail is unnecessary. We already have massive tracer bullet. 💀

Do you really have a hard time finding where a DMR is?

The problem isn't "DMR are hard to see" but "I'm getting killed by DMR too fast". 👀

I wouldn't mind having less damage but better HS multiplier on DMR.

[royal tangle]

I just think it should be consistent for large caliber weapons to have the funny trail if it's going to be apart of the game; aesthetic reason.. I'd prefer if it went away along with the red Dorito clicking simulator.. and the wack attempt to add what ever the hell oki was thinking with the sound . . .

[rose stirrup]

all guns have trail but its opacity matches the damages?