AsVal/Honey Badger should be niche stealth weapons as designed | BattleBit Remastered Official | Page 1

azure pumice Dec 11, 2023, 8:54 PM

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Separating the discussion from #1183480619854995518

AsVal and Honey badger are unique with permanent suppressor and quick movespeed. However, most guns benefit from either a short/long suppressor with the new attachment update.

Benefits of short/long suppressor: increase velocity, no muzzle flash, and low noise profile.

These benefits outshine what AsVal/HB offers both guns can only use grip attachment.

As a AsVal user, the noticeable drawbacks are low magazine and recoil. It relies on flanking and picking off people to reload every few kills.

My proposal to promote stealth gameplay (doesn't need to include all of these for the buff)
-Dying to AsVal/HB prevents death pings
-both guns have softer footsteps
-noise profile from 200 to 100.
-shorter bullet tracers
-updated: damage indicator ring does not show direction of damage being taken
-per Oki's new update to gun shot noise proximity #dev-wip message - AsVal/HB should be the lowest tier gun noise, below long suppressor

abstract trench Dec 11, 2023, 8:59 PM

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I'm on board up to the softer footsteps because I think that should that should be determined by how fast a player is moving.

azure pumice Dec 11, 2023, 9:00 PM

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My thoughts is AsVal/HB are stealthy so it could be passive buff for those guns, it's just two

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Sweats won't pick them up because UMP is best

abstract trench Dec 11, 2023, 9:00 PM

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I think passives should remain a feature determined by class and not weapon.

snow grail Dec 11, 2023, 9:00 PM

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Instead of softer footsteps it may be faster crouch movement or ads movement

azure pumice Dec 11, 2023, 9:03 PM

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I can see faster ADS will help.

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But the idea still is to improve AsVal and HB as the niche stealth killers somehow.

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Anyone can stick a long suppressor on a smg/groza and be just as good if not better than both guns.

snow grail Dec 11, 2023, 9:05 PM

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Agree

misty monolith Dec 11, 2023, 9:55 PM

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different weapons/attachments affecting crouch speed could be a neat idea

rough orbit Dec 11, 2023, 10:00 PM

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Increase magazine count on asval to 30.

Its kinda hard to seriously enjoy this weapon while it's being outclassed by PDW. It's a shame too because it's one of my favorite guns to use, regardless of spending half the game reloading it.

azure pumice Dec 11, 2023, 10:51 PM

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I would be fine with 20 rounds because it's 800 RoF and 32 damage. But something needs to help that reload hit and run style. That's why I propose lighter footsteps. It would be a better ak74*

snow grail Dec 11, 2023, 11:00 PM

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Lighter footsteps sounds like class perk. For recon likely

azure pumice Dec 11, 2023, 11:02 PM

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Recon are so far removed from the battlefield, it's not needed lol.

snow grail Dec 12, 2023, 7:24 AM

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Does Val still have muzzle flash? Need to check, but I'm at work

snow grail Dec 12, 2023, 12:43 PM

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Bump

azure pumice Dec 12, 2023, 2:22 PM

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snow grail Does Val still have muzzle flash? Need to check, but I'm at work

0.10 muzzle flash.

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I think flash hider is 0 flash. I am not sure if long suppressor does the same.

snow grail Dec 12, 2023, 8:03 PM

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it does. for some reason AsVal less stealthy than any other supressed gun lol

snow grail Dec 14, 2023, 10:22 AM

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Make Val/HB great again!

rugged oyster Dec 14, 2023, 3:03 PM

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As well as returning the AS VAL specs to what they were in the closed playtests before they were cut. Let's start the anihilization of all living things. Yay. Just kidding. But a barrel improvement definitely wouldn't hurt. One more thing. The horizontal recoil method of balancing the gun makes me shudder every time.

azure pumice Dec 14, 2023, 3:12 PM

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I would just like AsVal to have a better purpose being a stealthy playstyle and be better at it than any gun with a long suppressor. So this would be changing the gun externally and not the gun stats itself (shorter bullet tracers, prevent ability to ping, etc).

32dmg, 800rof, 1.05move speed is great. My best distance kill is 99m and I'm okay with that since if it can consistently go long range, it would overstep ak74.

snow grail Dec 17, 2023, 10:00 PM

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So after the latest update flanking became much harder imo. It's hard to stay unnoticed not only because of spotting, but also directional sound cues are pretty much pinpoint your location if you are shooting at the group of players (even with suppressed weapons).
Right now I'm not even sure how to highlight the stealthy side of these guns.
Cuz if they ignore current sound mechanic, then it's even easier to duel against them

azure pumice Dec 17, 2023, 10:34 PM

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since we don't know if we are ping'd or not, its hard to tell when im 'safe' from view. But new update might help since doritos wont be seen when out of sight.

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But, with the new sound implementation and if Oki believes only guns with <350 velocity shouldn't have a gunshot cracking, it would be a nerf to HB/Asval. Which in that case, their damage should be increased a bit. HB at 31-32 dmg and Val at 35 dmg

snow grail Dec 18, 2023, 9:52 AM

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Bump

chrome bolt Dec 18, 2023, 10:34 AM

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Oki plz notice this

snow grail Dec 18, 2023, 10:45 AM

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Notice me senpai Oki

#AsVal/Honey Badger should be niche stealth weapons as designed