Revamp Sniper Stats

[hollow jetty]

Only 2 snipers are used L96 and m200
All other snipers are pretty much the same and for a High Rank Unlock MSR feels too weak.

[hearty meadow]

yes

[late slate]

Yeah there's a decent set of stats to balance across, would be nice

[hollow jetty]

agree a short mag L96 beats everything except m200

[late slate]

I don't get the short mag hype honestly, probably my play style tho

[hollow jetty]

some snipers are good mid and long ranges but the other 2 just dominates all snipers in all ranges

l96 with a short mag and ranger barrel is good in short - long range

[late slate]

Oh yeah no I have over 1000 kills on the L96 and M200, the others just aren't worth using

I specifically don't like having to reload more often with the short mag, I use long mag

And carry more ammo

[vestal rain]

Rem700 is only worth using for the chonky sound

[hollow jetty]

yeah for a class with 6 guns only at least make each one unique

[steep sable]

I find it surprising there isnt at least one closer range oriented one (very high firerate, no oneshots), or something along those lines

It feels like they don't really oneshot outside of headshots, or go REALLY long distance, and we already have obvious options for longer range

What stats would you like to see on some of the other options fellas? I want to hear thoughts on specific ways you would 'fix' the undertuned rifles

[pure burrow]

the MSR would work nicely as a high firerate gun since it already has the fastest bolt animation, i'd like to see its movement speed increased as well

[hollow jetty]

Early 2 snipers are pretty decent and should stay like that.

L96 - need a lower velocity for an early unlock sniper and its the strongest sniper if all attachments are unlocked. Needs a revamp to balance it out.

Rem700 - mid late game unlock this gun should have a better stats a velocity buff would be good enough, but since this a known hunting sniper maybe they should just add a dedicated suppressor like sv98 short scope.

M200 - for a late game unlock stats are understandable but they need to balance the close range gameplay of this gun.

MSR - needs buff overall

[pure burrow]

i think rem700 should have high control so it's easier to shoot long range while standing

although idk if the control stat affects sway

i think it does?

[hollow jetty]

It does

[pure burrow]

yeah so i'd say rem700 should be control oriented

[hollow jetty]

Swap l96 and rem700 velocity

[steep sable]

yeah i forget what the first sniper is, but the velocity feels godawful bordering on ununusable from what I remember. And velocity is worth So much on snipers that it feels like m200 just gets immediately picked over others

[hollow jetty]

its like when you add all snipers you get m200

there’s need to be a gun for different play style

[pure burrow]

i think the SSG69 should be an all-rounder, but not as weak as it is rn

[hollow jetty]

M200 is good at any range and at any job

[steep sable]

Yeahhh, I really dislike how they all feel very samey... except one shoots faster and the other is just cracked

[pure burrow]

SV98 should be a damage/velocity boost from SSG69 at the expense of firerate

[hearty meadow]

rem 700 should have good movement speed and bolt/reload

but less velocity and damage

[hollow jetty]

L96 should have that since its a close mid sniper

but lower the velocity to balance its long range capability

[hearty meadow]

it is right now, but it really doesnt make sense as close range sniper

[hollow jetty]

L96 short mag takes the rem700 role

[hearty meadow]

i meant like rework all snipers

not just the bad ones

[hollow jetty]

Yeah agree they should support different play style

Recon is basically a late game role

[pure burrow]

this is my take on how each sniper should be:
SSG69: balanced/consistent
SV98: quieter/stronger than SSG69 but slower
REM700: high stability and good velocity
L96: lightweight and aggressive at medium range
M200: excellent at the longest ranges, but heavy and slow
MSR: fastest firerate and ADS, other stats similar to SSG69

[late slate]

I like that a lot

And the guns have enough meaningful stats to put them into specialties like that

In my opinion it's better if none of them are strictly better or worse, but the higher level ones have bigger trade offs

[pure burrow]

yeah with my suggestions there's a perfect sniper for every player

with none being exceptionally better than the other, plus different players would do best with different guns

right now there are only 2 snipers worth using otherwise it's a handicap lol

[late slate]

Yeah it's bad

I just prestiged again but wanted to try out the new sniper changes

SSG69 feels so much worse than the L96, has no redeeming qualities

Well

Except the 20 round mag

[pure burrow]

it has 20???

doesn't sound right

also i think MSR should have a higher capacity, like 6-7

[late slate]

Oh I'm using the long mag on it

Still 20 shots in the long mag is nice

But it's still not good

Really brutal to give new players such a bad sniper to start

It's already hard enough to learn to snipe

[pure burrow]

yeah it definitely drives away new players for wanting to use recon

[verbal jasper]

We need a high RoF bolt action sniper for cqc-medium range, equivalent of cs5 from battlefield 4. It can still headshot kill everything except the exo but has much lower bullet velocity, high RoF, decent mag size (10), fast zoom in speed.

[crude thunder]

The bolt unlocks are an idiotic "progression" system that could very well be removed to give the weapons actual different feels

E.g. M200 would just always get the manual+unscope bolting while the beginner one should just be automatic and in-scope

[hollow jetty]

yeah what’s up with that, that’s the most unnecessary progression I ever seen

[devout ginkgo]

Chonk700 my beloved

[hollow jetty]

Everyone who supported this thread thank you

Rem700 buff please

[devout ginkgo]

We need chonk700 buff

[random pawn]

I genuinely had 0 kills with recon till I unlocked the l96

[hollow jetty]

I leveled up to 70 playing recon most of the time

Its hell

[hearty meadow]

yes yes yes

remove smoke trail when tho?

[hollow jetty]

He already said never

but we have a chance to have a good m700 so good trade

[hearty meadow]

bro what

at least lower the duration or something

it was already super easy to find snipers

[hollow jetty]

yeah he agreed on tweaking it but not removing it

[hearty meadow]

ok thank God

[hollow jetty]

also DMR problems should be solve in the next update too

[hearty meadow]

what dmr problem

[hollow jetty]

So thank god we aint gonna die to invisible DMR while scouting

[hearty meadow]

I've never encountered that big

Bug

[hollow jetty]

Playing 400m sniping and its a problem

[karmic tree]

I never had any problems with it, although I didn't realise you could zero your scope until I was into the sv-98, so I never experienced the pain of the 500m zero limit

[crude thunder]

Add trails to anything that moves in the game for fairness

[karmic tree]

Yes, all guns have bullet trails, all vehicles players and grenades have rainbow trails

[crude thunder]

Smokebit: Resmokered

[karmic tree]

Battlebit:420

[devout ginkgo]

Battleweed Reignited

[fallen fern]

I'll post what I wrote on other suggestion like this 👀

that's my wish :
2 Sniper category, with 3 sniper per category :

• Long range sniper : High velocity | Medium~Long reload time | Medium~long bolt time | Slow ADS time | Slow draw speed | Short~medium level of sway.

• Medium range sniper : Low~Medium velocity | Short~Medium reload time | Short~medium bolt time | medium ADS time | medium draw speed | High level of Sway.

This way, you can still play Medium range sniper to longer distance and opposite. But you're trading ease of shots at distance (aka High velocity), for ease of use at shorter distance.

Then in the 3 snipers per category, they have each their unique perk over the other.

Make the level you get them in order of each. Like :

• Long range sniper 1
• Medium range sniper 1
• Long range sniper 2
• Medium range sniper 2

etc

[karmic tree]

shouldn't the sways be the other way round as due to the way angular motion works, what is a fairly small sway at close range will be a large sway at distance

[fallen fern]

Yeah you're right 🤔

Let me swap them

[karmic tree]

otherwise it would feel like you're drunk when you try and use your long range scope 😛

also bipod should still give almost no sway when in use

[fallen fern]

Doesn't it do that already?

[karmic tree]

when actually deployed, not just equipped

Fixed it 🙂

[late slate]

Just harder to hit moving targets and you're at more of a disadvantage in sniper duels

[lost elk]

Bump

[hollow jetty]

Up

Still no updates

[hollow jetty]

10% now

[rain belfry]

it's in todo with other things as well, there no reason to bump and make it a spam, I clearly mentioned this is something 100% being considered and planned.

[verbal jasper]

In other words, expect sniper nerfs

[valid raptor]

I honestly think the other snipers do not need glint and smoke trails I mostly find using them in team fight for 200-500m picks and roaming support, maybe have it so the l96 and m2000 are classes as long range snipers due to the velocity and the other are in another sub class

[merry fern]

For being the class they are, and the game already having amazing visibility. They really do hold your hand spotting snipers. Feels like too much.

[valid raptor]

Yea its so true, personally I think they should just remove glint and trails.

or at least remove glint and have trails on kill shots only

[merry fern]

My biggest personal gripe is with the trails cause it's visually in my way when I'm trying to do a follow up shot on another enemy in the same area,I already know my bullet trajectory, I've played the game long enough where I don't need to know this, even for 1500m+, why can't I even just turn it off for myself 😭

[valid raptor]

yea true, could have it so the first 200m it does not leave a trail

But I have noticed including myself that more people play recon for the dmrs now because of glint and trails just being way too much

[quartz narwhal]

That's skill issue 🥱

[valid raptor]

Having glint and trails on it legit a skill issue for sure

[quartz narwhal]

Yep 🥱

Now being seriously

There are 2 paths:

• Remove glint but leave bullet trail as is

• Rework maps so is not a sniper festa every other match and delete both glint and trail

The class IS NOT the problem, the maps ARE

[valid raptor]

The amount of kit everyone has to counter snipers is insane tbh, I have never understood why they need nurfing so hard

[quartz narwhal]

I know I'm extremely harsh on Oki on a daily basis but it has to be said:

Oki can't think of something better and Vilaskis maps are 💀

His only good maps are the smaller ones

Namak

Old Namak

32 vs 32 versions of some

[valid raptor]

I have never played the 32v32 before

[quartz narwhal]

Meanwhile, conquest maps are a big land of nothingness

[minor mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-seriously-cat-cat-really-cat-really-look-cat-look-gif-5524432498705390840

Seriously

[vestal rain]

Namak on 128 v 128 💀

[viscid skiff]

he should reconsider removing the trails. the game lost an avg of almost 2000 players this past month after adding them.

[viscid skiff]

hmmmmm... very interesting actually 🤔

[forest lion]

it makes you wonder

[visual trout]

Yo can anyone tell me whats the point of Recoil on a sniper rifle? You are bolting anyway so it makes no difference. Also every bolt just gets gradually better no? So A is worst and E is just best.

Definitely needs a stat rework. Since the magazin rework fellas roleplay the italian mafia to try to look intimidating I propose we become the Sniper Stat KGB, thoughts? /s

[pure burrow]

having to realign your shots is still important to sniper balancing

[visual trout]

But you can realign while bolting. To me the recoil is indifferent

[neat skiff]

I run rem700 aCog, for the sound

[neat skiff]

high powered rounds as a equipment, would be cool to see, get like 10 damage per hit instead of like 4/3 on tanks and helicopters. one mag.

[pure burrow]

the thing is extreme range sniping would be trivial if you didn't have to realign your scope

makes very little difference closer than 500m but should still be in the game imo

plus a weapon without any recoil would be out of place when the handling is meant to be realistic

[fresh bluff]

We're never getting sniper rework, are we?

[devout ginkgo]

It a bit astonishing something in the lines of "low damage = faster firerate and better handling" and "high damage = slower firerate and worse handling" hasnt been done so far

[visual trout]

Partly I think its because the damage of Snipers do not matter that much. Dealing 60-80 damage doesn't really matter with a sniper rifle

Headshots always kill and body shots don't, double taps always kill unless we get more body regions than head/body

[devout ginkgo]

Not really, ssg does struggle a bit in the headshot department

[visual trout]

And how exactly do you "worse handling" on a sniper? - apart from movement speed

[devout ginkgo]

Well lets see

Slower ADS speed, slower bolt speed, slower reload, slower draw speed

[visual trout]

true actually

but what do we do with Bolts?

[devout ginkgo]

Wdym

[visual trout]

bolt balance

[devout ginkgo]

I mean

Stronger the sniper, slower the bolt shall be

[visual trout]

Yeah sure but Bolts within the Sniper

Bolt A-E

[devout ginkgo]

Ah

[visual trout]

I think auto bolt and Bolting while in Scope should be more disruptive and take longer to return to the actual ADS position

[devout ginkgo]

Not really sure what to exactly think about bolts

They are pretty much a straight upgrade

[visual trout]

Yeah, and overall bolt B (or was it A?) is a joke with just +0.01 of a stat

[devout ginkgo]

I forgot honestly

Prolly should be looked at

Either way, sniper stat revamp would be simple

Ssg 69, lowest damage, but has fastest ads, reload, move speed, draw and bolt speed
Also let it zero beyond 500m

Then you have m200
Big damage, but slowest ads, reload, move speed, draw and bolt speed

As for the MSR, well, idk
You could make it a bit more specialised or something

[visual trout]

I think BBR needs more body areas. Like atleast leg too and then maybe lower body.

So that the damage would matter more

But with the integration of armor to HP that might also achieve that so that damage matters more and something with like 130 HP can't get two tapped by some snipers

[pure burrow]

i think it should be like the l96 but heavier and with the fastest in class bolt speed