The C4 is just a child's toy, not an explosive weapon

[river cairn]

I want to draw attention to the C4 damage problem. Very often the enemy is standing right on it, and it just tickles his heels.

Or when you can see the enemy's feet through the destructible texture, you throw C4 there, BOOM, and nothing. Is that explosives or fireworks? Although fireworks would be more deadly.

In anticipation of "fix the internet" I'll add my connection speed metrics

[cinder perch]

you should have posted a test against one of the game servers instead

you can have a 2gb/s connection speed and your route to game be bad as fuck

yet, your clips doesn't seem laggy anyway

[deep cobalt]

C4 is already broken as hell and best gadget.

[livid mountain]

In clip number 1 you simply died before it detonated. Remember your perception of the enemy killing you is delayed.

clip number 2 is just a product of C4 only damaging players it has a line of sight to. Not neccesarily how it should be but if you want that to change you should elaborate on exactly how.

not sure about clip number 3 though. I agree you probably should have killed them and I don't know why it did not.

Presumably they were just further from the blast than it looks like they were. The kill radius of C4 is not wide

[deep cobalt]

he got the hitmarker of it tho

[livid mountain]

you get a hitmarker whether or not the server accepts the hit

hit markers are created client side the moment you see yourself as hitting them

[chilly apex]

yep same in roblox shooters

[livid mountain]

they wait for server confirmation to change colours

[chilly apex]

phantom forces in particular

[livid mountain]

I don't think this was always the case in this game, but before that people complained about not getting hitmarkers in these cases so it didn't really change anything

I remember shortly after release an undersea cable went down and everyone in the server I was in was playing on 300+ ping. You could have hitmarkers take a whole second to show up. This does not happen any more

[chilly apex]

honestly my issue is that when i c4 sometimes ill try and throw it through a window and i miss, and dont notice itll i pull the trigger

i geuss beter explosive hit detection in general cause ive notice the impacts hit dead on someone ad not kill them

with impact grenades

[livid mountain]

impact grenades just don't do much damage so it's harder to say. Perhaps they measure distance to a specific body part

[chilly apex]

i kinda stopped using impacts cause i cant tell if my throw will kill em or not

[river cairn]

I suggest increasing the blast radius or having the damage go through more textures that collapse.

[livid mountain]

C4 is pretty much unanimously already considered meta

[deep cobalt]

if the nade throw was "cleaner"/"Stable" I think impact would be much much better.

[left smelt]

Wait, if c4 only does damage with line of sight how come you can kill people through floors with it sometimes?

[river cairn]

And sometimes you can't. And you never know what the game's gonna pick now. And it's infuriating.

[split thunder]

Adding these to support the cause, this is still not fixed. The c4's damage is being eaten by the wall's hp it seems, or the sticking of the c4 causes the explosion's circle to only do damage to the opposite side of the wall/ move the damage circle in some cases and causes players to survive when the explosion circle completely engulfs their player model.

Double c4 clip 32 ping, BBC Dommy Mommy server 127v127
Wall explosion clip 36 ping, Official Domination 127v127

I dont really know what causes double c4 to be thrown, but it may have something to do with pressing an additional key at the same time as throwing.

[livid mountain]

yeah... I have no idea why it doesn't apply to ceilings

it is a bit weird

[river cairn]

First clip. You were killed by Mina. I think the guys got hit, too. It's okay.

Second one. Classic.

[livid mountain]

putting a single C4 on most surfaces won't kill the people behind them

[split thunder]

@river cairn this is not a mine, this is a second c4 that was tossed at nearly the same time.

[river cairn]

I think C4 damage should spread out in a sphere shape from the point of explosion. Not end at a random staircase. Naturally, the damage can decrease after the obstacle. But if the enemy is standing at point-blank range of the object being destroyed, they should die. It's C4, for fuck's sake.

[river cairn]

А. Lol. Well such delays are more like server lags or ping.

But it's a thrash)

[split thunder]

Its clear we're all experiencing c4's hit detection/hitbox being completely thrown off of its explosion animation. This is usually due to destructible walls near by and or sticking to walls.

[hasty ridge]

Ive had c4 get kills through walls consistently so idk how line of sight means anything

[river cairn]

https://youtu.be/zf2slqOf97w?si=hpR2yvbv7yufvGFg First moment. The video is already old. But it's been like this for a long time. She kills through the wall or not.....

[hasty ridge]

C4 is just too buggy the sticky magnetism where it floats to the closest surface and the blast not reliably doing dmg and i have proof of these both on pc but im at work on my phone so cant show it sorry

[livid mountain]

I usually use 2 since otherwise it doesn't seem to kill behind walls

but it could be inconsistent

[vestal yew]

where tf are you? Europe?

I can't get my provider to give me any up 😭

[terse barn]

C4 deals less dmg in air

but C4 is already super meta, so no to buff it
Also you need only 2 to destroy LAV, idk what you need, tactical nuclear c4 maybe

[river cairn]

Ru. Ural Mountains. Ping to Europe 50-70 stable.

[plain plover]

like straight up, dmg nerfed in the air? I didn't know that, explains a lot

I was gonna hop in to say it seems inconsistent but overall REALLY strong

[terse barn]

It's the strongest accessory in game rn with RPG HEAT

[river cairn]

This does not change the fact that it explodes right under the feet of the enemy, tickling his heels. Or it bursts out a centimeter from his face, but stuck to some garbage and does not do any damage

[terse barn]

check some clips with C4 there's already tons

[river cairn]

C4 is very strong, but very randomized

[terse barn]

you're not used to

[river cairn]

Yep

[split thunder]

dont get fooled they dont know what they're talking about, and just made that up

[winged walrus]

i dont know because i find myself using c4 alot this somtimes happens but i dont think they need to buff it again because they might have to debuff after all the bugs are fixed just saying

[plain plover]

It may be due to server side hit reg jank maybe? like its much farther on client's end a lot of the time I imagine

[main epoch]

best way would be to increase C4's player damage while reducing the radius, basically guarantee a kill by maxing the fuck out of the damage

Right now C4's damage is low while it's radius is high, which is likely what leads to the hitmarker factory compared to heat RPG, which is unironically the only other thing I can think to compare it to

obviously that doesn't address the double C4 or the floaty airship C4 bugs but hey a win's a win

[ruby pagoda]

That was probably because of the same thing that causes peakers advantage. The other guy was moving pretty fast and already at the edge of the explosion, so he probably just barely got out of the radius that would have killed him on the server before the detanation packet could reach the server.

[main epoch]

dude whoever chose the tester role color needs to try again I hate that now everyone has puke green instead of radioactive piss green

[quiet widget]

💀

[main epoch]

the explosive is LOS based though so clip 2 remains

[ruby pagoda]

I think here the first one was the c4 being desynced because it wasnt attached to a wall yet, and the second was was working "as intended" because it got LOS'd by the lip of the door.

[split thunder]

The desync causing two to throw instead of 1?

Is it actually codes that way? That's.... Really terrible

[ruby pagoda]

Oh

I thought you were talking about it only killing two

didnt realize the other was a body

[livid mountain]

If it’s set up like that I’d be surprised but it’s possible?

One would probably expect hit reg to be on the attacker’s side rather than the victim’s.

Though perhaps not, in the case of things like grenade positions experiencing any desync.

[ruby pagoda]

When oki explains this he says the servers are made to favor the 'attacker' but what he really means by attack is 'peaker', it just so happens with peaker's advantage the attacker and the peaker are the same.

[livid mountain]

I am aware but that is not what I was talking about

The C4 clip

Bullet hits are registered on the attacker’s client so you might expect that to apply to other damage as well

[ruby pagoda]

Bullet hits are registered on the client for hitmarkers and stuff, not actual damage. Damage is handled by the server.

That's why you get cases where you have extra hitmarkers just before you die that would have killed the other person

like with this clip #game-bugs message

[split thunder]

@ruby pagoda no, when i pull out my c4 it throws 1 at my feet before i even clicked to throw it, 2 c4's are beng thrown instead of 1, and the one thats thrown as a bug is usually at your feet/really close to you, resulting you dying like in the clip

0 c4 on stairs when i get to the enemies and prepare to throw

I toss the c4 at the enemy and begin to prone

2nd c4 magically tossed instantly after into the floor in front of me

[livid mountain]

Damage in a sense is handled by the victim's client, but the hit registering, which tells the victim's client to take that damage, is handled by the shooter's client, not the server. It would be unconventional and janky to handle hits server side and moreso for the other client. The server will validate them though

I don't actually know of any games with serverside hit reg

[rose basalt]

It's an early access, not a final release, there are supposed to be bugs while the devs focus on getting all the content of the game out. Also, how are you complaining about c4 not being strong enough, it's already quite strong.

[livid mountain]

I don't think "supposed to be bugs" is exactly accurate.

whether or not they are to be expected anyway depends on how long they've had to be fixed

[ruby pagoda]

Oh I know what you mean. I think that could actually be the source of the problems with c4. If explosives didnt do that like bullets seem to it would explain pretty much all of the hitreg problems with c4.

[native ether]

here's another c4 explosion that apparently didn't hit any of these four guys

[livid mountain]

I think it must have been a slight discrepancy in the terrain that led to it not having line of sight to the enemies

C4 is too sensitive to that

Perhaps the point of the explosion should be moved a little further from the surface it’s attached to?

[ruby pagoda]

It looks like the c4 actually exploded way above the group of people

I think what's happening is the throw c4 packet is being sent, but it takes a while to reach the server. So while the c4 is moving and almost to its destination on the client, it's quite a bit earlier on the server. Then the detonate packet reaches the server faster, which causes this desync.

[livid mountain]

Looks quite floor based to me

But that’s possible if that’s how it was implemented

I guess only oki can gauge what actually happened

[native ether]

i think airborne c4 is giga unreliable

[plain plover]

I think it appeared high because the explosion disappears upward typically, kinda like how fire billows upward

yeah, watch this (Very loud and crackheaded) clip, specifically when they throw c4 in the building, the particle billows upward when it disappears

[plain plover]

so this should be the top of the hitbox, not the bottom/bulk of it

[warm abyss]

Since the update where he reworked throwing it, now the velocity is inconsistent. Sometimes it throws as fast as it used to and other times it's like throwing something in slow motion.

[plain plover]

reworked how? Velocity based, or...? (as in your throwing speed gets added to however fast you're moving)

[livid mountain]

Presumably an artefact of your own movement

Unless oki actually added a randomiser to velocity or something, which would be goofy

[plain plover]

not sure why that would be the case. I mean the damn thing explodes, being precise isn't exactly much of an issue in the first place... Then again the clip shows how jank it can be

[jagged turret]

When I use an impact grenade, it only kills a wounded enemy; if he has full health, he will not die, although the explosion occurred right under his feet or in his body.

[plain plover]

Yeah I think impact nades aren't a 1hk

Wiki says 120 infantry damage, but also 'will not kill on direct hit' hm

[warm abyss]

The update before last where it magnetizes less to things you throw over.

[left smelt]

They are if you hit someone dead on, otherwise no.

[kindred plover]

Wiki is ass

impact grenades can definitely kill full HP people