#End the Usain Bolt SMG meta

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uneven hazel
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I don't feel the upcoming enemy collision change is a strong enough nerf to the Usain Bolt SMG players running around in every game. It makes the game look more like Unreal Tournament, or at least Call of Duty, than BF (which it emulates in most other aspects). Meanwhile sniper was mercilessly hit by the nerfhammer. The mechanics enabling this build (movement speed upper bound) has to be balanced.

pure silo
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SMG Medic's literally aren't a thing anymore since they don't have access to that weapon class. The problem you allude to, a very high upper bound of player movement speed, nonetheless results in a very large gap across builds.

Given Oki's current proposal to tone down 180° turn speed, I think it makes sense to wait and see how that plays out before further tweaking the movement system.

naive cove
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The SMG Medic meta got replaced by the SMG Assault meta.

naive cove
pure silo
naive cove
pure silo
naive cove
pure silo
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But the votes were like 30% for 70% against

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Oki did say he was aware that the Discord is not representative of the larger playerbase though

loud oracle
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@uneven hazel farmerama is your game

uneven hazel
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End the Usain Bolt SMG meta

brittle tree
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Odd how I'm able to perform just as well as I normally do on assault as a support.

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Maybe it's not atually movespeed thats the issue 🤔

ocean badger
uneven hazel
brittle tree
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Nowhere did I say skill issue and nowhere did I imply you were bad at the game.

ocean badger
brittle tree
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How about you engage with what I actually said. If movement speed is so oppressive and awful for the game, why am I able to perform just as well on support?

low granite
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pls guys not into a big match of who can talk about each other the worst

brittle tree
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Thanks for your input moderator.

low granite
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haha very funny

loud oracle
# uneven hazel Read rule #3 of suggestions forum.

"3 : Being toxic may get you removed from using suggestions." this wasn't a toxic comment, it's just that some people are bothered that this game is like this, then maybe they shouldn't be playing this game

vivid wharf
brittle tree
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How?

vivid wharf
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Your comment is just stating that you do fine (implicitly because of higher skill), so the feature/balance isn't an issue, just the person's skill.

brittle tree
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Sort of. My point is more that with a constant skill level you get the same performance between movement speed builds, thus meaning that movement speed is not an issue.

tropic briar
brittle tree
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Yes

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@normal talon

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I just dropped a 138 as a support with the rpk

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and then another 90 on conquest with the same loadout

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Which are both on par or better than my usual pace on assault.

tropic briar
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Tbf technically acshuyally 🤓 light support guns are identical to assault rifles, I've had similar games with the L86 or RPK but I've never come close with the LMGs or seen anyone else do it

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But I've seen a bunch of people get 300+ kills with the MP7 or P90

slender terrace
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You want to nerf SMG meta? Buff barbewire. And do something about being easily able to destroy/deconstruct them.

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Make barbewire slower to deconstruct, add noise when you do.

steep verge
pure silo
steep verge
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so is a minor change

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good

brittle tree
tropic briar
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If you could get 300 kill games people would play support

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That's not really moving goalposts that was the first thing I asked

brittle tree
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300 kill game? Or 200?

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This is by definition moving the goal posts.

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You asked for 300 or 200 kills, when given 200 kills you restrict that to 300.

tropic briar
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Well yeah there's a pretty big difference between them haha. Moving the goalposts is when you change the conversation to something you never even said

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Getting 200 kills with support is sick but I just don't think it's even possible for anyone to get 300+ which I've seen a bunch of people do as assault or medic.

brittle tree
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No. Moving the goal posts is when you lay down a requirement and then change the requirement once it's met. You said that you wanted an example of 300 OR 200 kills. I gave you an example of 200 kills and you now make the requirement 300 kills for some reason.

I dont even know what you're arguing at this point? That support is somewhat worse than medic or assault? Ok sure? that doesnt mean it needs a buff.

tropic briar
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It's when you change the goal to something that you didn't say in the first place, the goalpost in that example was 300 or 200 because I've never seen anyone do either. You hit one goal but not the other bigger goal. If I only said 200 in the first place it would be like that

And why shouldn't something weaker get buffed to match something stronger? I don't get that

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Supports one of my most used classes and the L86 is my most used gun but the class is just weaker than other classes, if there was some sort of competitive mode I wouldn't use support at all for it

brittle tree
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"Can you show me like 3 or 4 scientific studies that support the use of flourination in water supplies?"

"Sure here's 3 studies supporting that"

"Ok but can you show me 4?"

Here is an example of moving the goalposts in another argument. I have no idea why you would argue this isnt what youre doing, it quit clearly is.

tropic briar
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200 and 300 were two different goals, it wasn't a yes or no question. You proved me wrong on 200

brittle tree
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Please stop trolling man.

tropic briar
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You need to chill out haha I'm just having a conversation, you turned it into an epic reddit debate

tropic briar
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Yeah that's sick

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Ive seen 2 people do it in game, someone called lonelydood and I can't remember the other name

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Yeah ive only ever seen people get 300 on invasion, highest I've ever seen before this mode was added was a couple of games that barely got over 200

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Invasion is just insane

brittle tree
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355 was the wr before invasion was added

tropic briar
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Jesus

pseudo needle
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Lonely got like 320 yesterday

lean sand
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smgs are imo, worse than pdws, assault weap and dmr

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Rpk is so broken I'm not even going to mention

pseudo needle
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Snoozns 355 be like

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Bruh

uneven furnace
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Will people ever stop complaining about movement? Battlebit has amazing movement. Smgs aren't as nice as pdws after the change. It's so chaotic in 254 matches Half the time while shmoovin you get shot anyway. It really only works in certain circumstances.

pseudo needle
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Ok and its still a 355

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Only streak is uav 😭

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Its on the same level as current invasion Clueless

brittle tree
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Didnt lawae almost get a 300 on official?

lean sand
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modded servers dont count

frosty glen
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I personally think this could help bring it in line

pseudo needle
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My pb is 157 or something on frontline gg

uneven furnace
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I got like 50 or 60 once true story

brittle tree
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Honestly I think the only mode you have to distinguish is invasion. Conq is 40 minutes for example

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nuh uh

uneven furnace
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I do way better in conquest k/d wise usually. In invasion or any other modes it's hit or miss. Domination is usually fine. But the more meat grinders modes Def are where you either die way too much to do way too well I find

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But this isn't relevant to anything. Close this topic. Done.

frosty glen
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I's argue the thread isnt irrelevant but there's tons of threads on movement and smgs... and maybe others on both

plain raptor
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Went ahead and made a funny