Team flashing is bad

[vernal osprey]

Look, when you're in a gun fight, just turn away. Simple. 👍

[idle shore]

Just equip your own flashes to counter everyone else’s flashes

[vernal osprey]

Dude, Brazil LOVES flashes. When enough people equip flashes it's closely unplayable. Separate problem I guess.

[idle shore]

Avg. Brazilian frontline game?

[vernal osprey]

It comes in waves

Lately not so bad with flashes

Last week was really bad

[idle shore]

I do not play on those servers I just know they only play frontline on community servers

I mean nade spam is “eh” in general but that’s why trophy exists

But even then that can only do so much

[vernal osprey]

Nades MOSTLY have a delay

The rolling nades that have no delay are cancer

It's like they pick up speed rolling

[idle shore]

HE nade moment

But I think this makes a decent case for slightly buffing trophy’s range/encouraging the use of trophy systems more

At least, in regards to general grenade spam.

Idk maybe I just have skill issue/bias, but it feels like trophy just doesn’t delete grenades at times where it should (mainly near walls/cover in general) and I feel like if it was more effective, spam (especially flash and HE) wouldn’t be as complained about as much

[tough token]

Not even. Most of the time flashes are off screen.

[vernal osprey]

good point

[woeful arrow]

spot the flashbang here

[polar zenith]

This spot the flashbang argument is silly

I could do that with any type of nade

I think a noti for friendly nades should exist so you can clearly see know one is being thrown and what direction it’s in

[woeful arrow]

they already exist

unless you mean a more prevalant one

we can fix this whole issue by removing flashbangs though

[polar zenith]

Far more prevalent also what do you mean I don’t believe there is a noti

And ya jsut remove them

[woeful arrow]

there's an icon over friendly grenades/flashbangs

[polar zenith]

?????

I’ve never seen this

[spare ermine]

every frendly gadget, + barbed wire have a green little marker

its fucking tiny and only shows up like within 5 meters?

[woeful arrow]

it's this one

[polar zenith]

Never noticed it

You learn something new everyday

[spare ermine]

its like the one on friendly mines and stuff

absolutely worthless for information other than "oh that thing I stepped on is friendly"

[woeful arrow]

the one on friendly mines is way too small

[patent cape]

What does team flashing even add to the game for people to say "hmmm yes I think this is a perfectly fine feature and better kept than removed"

[vernal osprey]

oo this sounds like a fun game. spot the flashbang

[woeful arrow]

well that one doesn't count because you died to it

[vernal osprey]

but where was it..

[woeful arrow]

ok buddy

[mint flower]

Why does that matter?

[woeful arrow]

it's not really a game of trying to spot the flashbang that affected you if the flashbang just kills you

he didn't even get affected by it (other than dying)

[mint flower]

Why?

[mint flower]

That is literally the most effect you can get from a flashbang

“Spot the flashbang” is a lot more important when you’re low enough for it to literally kill you

[woeful arrow]

the effect

of blinding

if it's within a certain cone of your vision

not the explosion

[tough token]

yeah you always get damaged by a flash regardless of if you are looking at it

[gray whale]

wtf

[gray whale]

Because if team flashes are removed more people will use flashbangs

[scenic shoal]

They would still be unreliable as all hell to use; you might see a spike post removal but it would die down quickly.

[mint flower]

half of this thread seems really convinced the playerbase cares really heavily about the others on their team

[polar zenith]

Etc why they should just remove flashes all together

It would be nice to be unaffected by friendlies but they’d end up getting abused as they have in many games before them

Need I mention why battlefield never added flash bangs to the multiplayer of any of their games

[spare ermine]

the actual reason being that the maps were very large and in the open so flashbangs didn't have a place really. you also couldn't change grenades anyway until like bf1 right?

[gray whale]

No one should care about their team lmao they do nothing

Unless you're playing with friends ig

[mint flower]

and nobody really does

[mint flower]

which is why this doesn't make sense

[gray whale]

The people who do care about their team will have no penalty for using flashbangs

[mint flower]

right now the penalty is already pretty minor.

[gray whale]

No chance of hurting your team so you just throw them in every building and if you get a hit marker you know someone's in there

[polar zenith]

Bf3

But yea at bb has a very similar play style

[candid stratus]

no reason why this shouldnt be added

[uneven tide]

team flashing funny

[stuck wolf]

I want to use flash bangs, but don't for 2 reasons:
The effect is really inconsistent
My team will blindly run into where it's been thrown

[polar zenith]

Reason is simple they can be spammed like nuts without consequences if no freindly flash

Etc why they should just remove flashes as a whole

[vernal osprey]

shit's getting old

[vernal osprey]

What do I do in this situation?

[polar zenith]

Remove flashbangs from the game

[exotic cosmos]

Flash doesn't belong in the game honestly

[polar zenith]

The person who put the X better not be in here complaining about team flashing

[tough token]

Just look away from the flash :)

[spare ermine]

notice how he complelty misses the enemy flash at his feet lol

you suck dude

[tough token]

Thats the point of the clip...

I looked away from the flahs

because it was traveling behind me...

[spare ermine]

remember when everyone told your dumbass it effects you in radius anyway if you are close enough?

and did you even notice you weren't even effected fully?

[tough token]

Please re-read this interaction and think about why what you just said is monumentally stupid.

I will not engage unless you are able to tell me the reason.

[exotic cosmos]

The only people who want flash in the game is the people who rely on getting at least 1 kill per game

[spare ermine]

don't engage then, just keep being stupid, this was explained to you already.

[tough token]

Gladly

[vernal osprey]

[potent mason]

well well well

it stinks of bad takes and bitch in here

[granite fossil]

Just make it a toggle so those that voted ❌ can get team flashed and everyone else won’t ✅

[stuck wolf]

sssssorta, the radius is really small and the grenades bounce for miles

also in most of those clips it's not clear if it's a team or enemy flashbang, nor is there any way to tell

If a team FB lasted 1/4 the time, or even less, I'd be fine with that

that way they're still usable, but it's not quite so much an "I win" button

[potent mason]

then there's purposeful griefing

I'm sure some of you would have encountered it at least a few times

[stuck wolf]

Honestly, never. Carrying flashes means you have to sacrifice nades or smokes, it's a high cost to troll

[potent mason]

You'd be surprised how many do that

I can name and tag a few individuals if you'd like

[patent cape]

I just like flash so I can feel tactical

[polar zenith]

Bros spitting XD

I’m on the side of just remove flashes as making flashes not affect friendlies will only make the situation worse just on the opposite side of balancing

Like you might as well add shotguns if we where to make it so friendlies could blindly run into flash spam in affected cuz they’d have about the same effect

And you know it would happen the moment flashes only affect enemies

Remove flashes and it fixes all the problems complained about here

[stuck wolf]

you know there's a comfortable middle ground right

[mint flower]

sir this is #1170727258537865367

everyone here insists on black and white arguments with good solutions already known to not exist

[exotic cosmos]

there is no middle ground on flashbangs

[scenic shoal]

I think everything should give the flashbang effect.

[polar zenith]

I mean ya I’ve explained afew but sense everyone refuses to accept compromise might as well yeet and delete

[potent mason]

maybe not remove the entire effect for teammates

but slightly reduce the intensity or tweak the radius

[stuck wolf]

Fuck me a sensible suggestion

[potent mason]

yeah I mean otherwise I could just flash a room and my teammates would rush in at the same time

[polar zenith]

The best recommendation is a larger more noticeable icon on it flashing with a timer

As if getting into the reducing game you gotta then balance it enough that they could be able see but then enemy’s. Need to also be able to slightly see by time freindly wears off otherwise its strength skyrockets

[potent mason]

oh like a friendly flash icon ?

like the current frag nade

could work yeah 👍

[polar zenith]

Just bigger XD

flashing and shit make it noticeable

[tough token]

Why not just nerf flashes to compensate?

Reduce the amount of time they last, and make it they only obscure the screen, never full blind

[polar zenith]

Could potentially work depending on the level of obscurity we talking about

But then again it would maintain a uselessness if it where a balanced level of visibility and at that point return to the remove stance

[tough token]

It wouldn’t be useless, it would just be counterable

[sterile mist]

skissue

[vernal osprey]

[sterile mist]

just dont get flashed smh

[polar zenith]

These clips really aren’t doing anything at this point we get it noobs chuck random flashes thus why ALOT hence clips do is make me say remove flashbangs

[vernal osprey]

I thought we were playing spot the flashbang

[polar zenith]

Ya you can’t cuz they don’t really have a indicator

Etc 2 options that won’t fuck the balance are remove flashbangs or add a very visible indicator I’m talking about flashing symbol or something

[vernal osprey]

All I'm going to say is this: in it's current state, they don't work for 254, like smokes. Something needs to change.

I will keep playing spot the flashbang

[exotic cosmos]

Gotta love flahsbangs they are a great asset to the game

[tough token]

its here

[gray whale]

Stop driving while flashed

[gray whale]

Dont

[vernal osprey]

Was going for roadkills. I don't play that dogshit. It was the community event.

Also, stop driving with ppl in front of me? There were people on the ship.

[gray whale]

Driving while flashed can endanger your fellow drivers

Shouldn't do it

[vernal osprey]

I hate you with love, I hate you.

[vernal osprey]

I thought u were going to sleep

[gray whale]

So did I

Then I didnt

[mint flower]

ermmm, if your teammate's flashbang didn't randomly blind you 3 times in a row, they'd be op and everyone would use them!!

[patent jasper]

maybe a new helmet equipment that slightly decreases flash intensity only.

[proper trout]

Realistically it make sense but gameplay wise, it’s just annoying

[west rose]

don't think many ppl would use it

and it would make flashes even more inconsistent

[proper trout]

I think they should remove for normal severs and keep it hardcore

[spare ermine]

they were thinking of face gadgets as a possibility, keeping a helmet flashlight as default rather than NVGs. Anti-Flash goggles were brought up at least.

[west rose]

ye

[vernal osprey]

spot the flashbangs

[polar zenith]

No one cares

Fuck trying to find a good solution y’all arnt willing to discuss this #removeflashbangs

[gray whale]

lighting up my entire room at 3am

[winter raft]

Uniroincally works better on your teammates than your enemies. They always seem to kill you regardless but flash a teammate they smack a wall instantly

[stuck wolf]

Why do you keep looking at the flashes?

Just turn around lmao

[idle shore]

Wonder if he spotted the flashbang honestly im just adding to the clips to prove the point that flash just sucks to fight against. Especially true with team flash but.. yeah.

Also i'm directly below the stairs.. yet still partially flashed by my own nade. Probably a "radius" thing or some sort but that's minor in the grand scheme of things compared to duration tbh. Imagine a teammate somehow doing this whilst fighting an enemy, unintentionally flashing you in the process. at best you're flashed for 1-2 seconds, at worse.. at least 5+. And no, "use trophy" isn't a solution cause trophy wouldn't even eat the nade in this situation if its an enemy nade. Point is the "worst" shouldn't be punishing to the point of where it's annoying to fight against, or work with. ignore shit aim I was using support with flashes to gather clips like these, don't usually play that class

[patent jasper]

the radius in bbr doesnt make sense at most times

[potent mason]

his arthritis prevents him from flicking his mouse

[junior briar]

Have they tried simply not looking at the flashbang? Are they stupid?

[stuck wolf]

How is getting flashbanged real lmao just look away

[sterile mist]

team play based mechanic (Allies can throw flashbangs) which we don’t want any teamplay at all as it ruins the crackhead assault p90/mp7/skevo/ump sweatlord experience

[stuck wolf]

look m8, I don't want anything, ANYTHING, to stop me sprinting towards a crowd, C4 in hand, whilst rapidly mashing Q and E.

Anything that does not only ruins the game for me (the most important part), but also ruins the game for anyone I'm about to kill in the chessiest way possible.

What's the point in yelling "Mum get the camera!!" when my screens all white.

[idle shore]

Fuck it im biting.

Just fix the inconsistencies in regards to what the game determines as “looking at the flashbang” and duration so it’s not 5+ seconds.

[stuck wolf]

trolling aside, the inconsistency is definitely what needs fixing

[idle shore]

Spam is its own problem and might need to look into trophy more to fix inconsistencies in that regard, mainly the awkward situations of “it’s too close to a sandbag wall so somehow you died through the sandbag but it didn’t get deleted”

[stuck wolf]

lower the quantity of FBs, losing grenades is already pretty big as theyre so powerful

I dont think spamming will be an issue, if youre getting fb spammed youre not getting grenade spammed as hard

[idle shore]

I meant for nade spam in general

Sorry, should have clarified

[stuck wolf]

shorten the fuse on the FB too, which inherently limits its range

I think it currently has the same 4sec fuse as frags, it should be half that easily

means you have to use it up close, rather than yeeting it Kobe-style which seems to be one of the primary issues

also inreases the chance you're going to flash yourself if you fuck up

[hard plume]

Way grenade fuses work is pretty weird

Like it feels like at times a fuse starts when it hits the ground or something

[buoyant lodge]

Ever tried counting?

[hard plume]

Whats counting?

[mint flower]

uhh probably this stuff or something

[tough token]

🤔 Are you sure about that?

[spare ermine]

it was in front of the van bud, please open your eyes

[tough token]

Oh my bad

So it now needs a line of sight too? But it doesnt need one to do damage to you?

Is this your final answer?

[spare ermine]

man has learned how grenades work

have you used your brain before this?

and where did you get "doesn't need one to do damage to you"

if you had actualy read you would understand that was applied to flash's near you but not looking at.

[hard plume]

Yeah damage being a radius on a flashbang makes sense

Flashbangs dont just magically stun mfs those things actually fucken explode

Its not as bad as an actual frag nade but you'll feel the blast if you are right next to thats for sure lmao

Only sucky part about them is the team flash its just stupid af

Like just let myself get flashed and not everyone around me

If i fuck over a frag throw i be the one getting the penalty by getting hurt

Why not make that for flashes

[tough token]

Thats not whats at contention here

Devildogg thinks that flashes will blind you if theyre close enough to you regardless of if your looking at them

In this clip I show clearly thats not the case. He thinks it didnt blind me because the car broke LOS, but if the car broke LOS, I wouldnt have taken damage

[hard plume]

Ah i see

[spare ermine]

actually, rewatching, the thing blew up at your feet and a grenade also damaged you when it blew up in front of the car. so basically you looked away and were not flashed by a enemy flash, while ticking a tiny bit of damage.

[sly idol]

Team kill ahh move

Oh, wrong chat

[spare ermine]

so... basically proved my point, thank you Chum.

[tough token]

Please stop baiting

It wouldnt even be that big of an ego hit to just say you didnt know and admit you were wrong

[spare ermine]

enemy flash came in, blew up at feet, not flashed, takes 3 damage.

[tough token]

I dont understand why youre like this, its crazy

[spare ermine]

"oh no I proved to others guys point, quick backpeddle"

also I said I rewatched it.

and changed my statement.

you want me to grovel or something?

[tough token]

Man you still think you were right. The claim you made was that a flash still blinds you if your close enough to it, regardless of if you are looking at it

Which is wrong

[spare ermine]

ok, so my experience was wrong

so now

that just proves you even more wrong

because you say its way to easy to flash people, and say "looking away" is not good enough. which I conceded thinking a close enough flash would flash you. which is not the case, as per your video.

so again, thank you for proving my point and disproving my concession to your point.

[tough token]

Thats all i wanted

What you said next though is so obviously stupid I dont think it even requires a response. The majority of the clips just posted in this channel show people getting flashed by a flashbang thats off screen. In fact, the clip that I posted that started this disagreement was one such clip.

[spare ermine]

yet your video proves the opposite and you are just backpedaling now. You lost the argument with your own video.

[candid stratus]

no reason why this should not be added

[hard plume]

Pretty much no reason why not

Would be nice for once

[stiff bolt]

my teammate flashing an entire room with 10 enemies while i run aroud deploying c4 and leave without getting target

thats probably the only reason where not getting flashed by your teammates is bad

[polar zenith]

I see this sub hasn’t changed still the same video spam of people getting flashed and not understanding the true effects of flash in a competitive manner

[opal sierra]

sub?

[fierce valve]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[hard plume]

[scenic shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-this-guy-with-hammers-gif-11774906233371367374

[echo kelp]

Team flashing is part of the game, although it is annoying when people constantly troll, you should instead be able to vote kick them

[tough token]

I hate this idea

Thats a really bad idea

[candid stratus]

how can you get a proper votekick system on 127v127

or 64v64

hell even 32v32

[granite fossil]

You can make one easily but people would abuse it if the value is too low or not enough people would vote cause they can't read or don't agree

[idle shore]

“Guys kick these people with 100 kills they’re hacking. I don’t have proof I just think it’s not possible legit”

Why we’ll never have vote kick. Community isn’t the best intelligence wise

[gray whale]

Community is literally definition of r word💀

[thin needle]

“How’d he know I was there, he’s hacking” accusations any time a mofo forgets that I have ears

[gray whale]

Shit up cheater

[thin needle]

Yeah sorry, using a headset is actually just using 3rd party cheats my bad

[gray whale]

Yeah

[mint flower]

pay to win

spending money on your cheats doesn't make them valid

[candid stratus]

hardware cheats exist for cs