Give Recon rifles a new laser attachment.

[warm harness]

This laser attachment will always stay on, helping us to aim AND helping everyone to see where we are.

Everyone is happy.

[spiral cape]

👀

[clear fiber]

👀

[slim lantern]

:x nobody needs help finding out where recon is there are already plenty of tools in game already to help with that

[warm harness]

recons are so dangerous though, we basically make any game one sided. also, some people have trouble aiming, so the laser will help them.

[slim lantern]

how often do you play recon to come to that conclusion?

[warm harness]

i main recon

i just wanna make everything fair, ya know?

[slim lantern]

i mean its already pretty fair

[spiral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-despicable-me-siren-gif-15637723

New Sniper

[warm harness]

nahh we need more shit dumped on us, we are obviously op

[tawdry tinsel]

speed run: getting your thread deleted

[slim lantern]

making jokes like that is why recon gets nerfed more and more despite having the least game impact 💀

[warm harness]

have you ever even not been killed by a sniper rifle?

[limpid nexus]

Lighthouse class is still too OP 💀

[slim lantern]

ive never not died from a sniper and not instantly know where they are

[warm harness]

see

now imagine if there was a laser accompanying that bullet

probably wouldn't have died

[stiff hollow]

n-no?
Seriously, no, that is not a good idea. For starters, DAMN, how many fucking lasers do you PERMANENTLY want to see on the map?! That's like, what, 50?
Secondly, yeah, there's already a shit ton of stuff that gives away a recon. Glint, the new tracer, damage indicator, the fact that you're a big funny block man...
I can't tell if you're baiting or actually deadass

[slim lantern]

dying is part of the gameplay loop

[clear fiber]

I'd like to see 100 ideally.

[slim lantern]

i vote we give assault clown shoes that way when they flank you know where they are at all times

[clear fiber]

And a clown car to replace the humvees

[stiff hollow]

Would fit the community a lot better since they all think they're funny af

[clear fiber]

imagine hearing some dude running up in big ass squeaky clown shoes lmao

[warm harness]

guys lets keep this on topic please

we are discussing the Lighthouse class

[clear fiber]

lighthouse class should have a placable beacon, that flashes a giant "KILL ME" into the sky

[woeful fiber]

Whole recon class? Or only Snipers?

Because you do know Recon has DMR and BR

[warm harness]

dmrs and br are stupid to have on recon

[clear fiber]

The ligthhouse class

[warm harness]

why is it stupid?

because recon has no purpose except bolt rifles

drones?

[woeful fiber]

The new spotting mechanic tho

drone will have 3D spot too

[spiral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/xanadu-xan-signal-xanman-gif-22475803

[warm harness]

ah yes the new spotting mechanic, that makes for very fun and exciting gameplay

[clear fiber]

I vote that lighthouse class when using a laser rifle should also project an audible "SNIPER! GO PRONE IDIOT!"

[warm harness]

we are the literal least important class

[woeful fiber]

💀

if you can't make use of it, that's your problem

[warm harness]

our power was having a rifle that can 1 or 2 shot people

[limpid nexus]

I think both teams need to have a communications container in their spawn.

From that container, engineer class can instantly call down a HIMARS or Burevestnik missile strike onto the position of any enemy recon that shoots their gun (location and firing detected by sound sensor technology)

This would perfectly balance the overpowered as hell recon class, and give a buff to the engineer class which is currently a bit underpowered.

This suggestion is for sure inline with the developer's vision for the future of recon class, so I hope they can squeeze this into the next patch (or maybe the next bigger update). ❤️

[clear fiber]

No, the lighthouse class needs paintable clown makeup to help reveal them more.

[warm harness]

well said, ty

[clear fiber]

S-400 is a surface to air missile

wait wait wait

[slim lantern]

true 💀 please reclaim this meme thread so another may rise

[warm harness]

the only meme is reconLighthouse at this point

[clear fiber]

lighthouse*

[limpid nexus]

fixed

[warm harness]

i already have my next suggestion thought out

[clear fiber]

Nuh uh

[warm harness]

i can really give some great ideas to help us

[clear fiber]

1: reduce bullet velocity, it increases the amount of time to enjoy watching your bullets

2: real sniper rifles are quite heavy, we should reduce run speed and ads time even further

3: real snipers typically prone or brace their weapon against a solid structure....we should emulate that. can only shoot a bolt rifle while prone or against a wall

i dont know waht came over me, it felt like someone else was talking through me

[warm harness]

wow those are great ideas mister factory!

very realism

[clear fiber]

thank you Cun "ningStu" Nts.

It felt like you were coming inside of me

[warm harness]

great minds, you know?

[limpid nexus]

Another suggestion to balance recon class, is to give the medic (and maybe assault) a "Recon Heartbeat Sensor" attachment which shows the heartbeat (position) of any recon class within ~1200m.

The developers have already mentioned that they would like to remove / limit medic C4, so perhaps this would be a welcome addition to the medics kit to avoid nerfing medic class too much.

This would allow medics (and maybe assault) to hunt down the recons as soon as they step out of safe zone, ensuring that they don't manage to get into a position which allows them to be overpowered and truly broken (as they are currently).

two birds, one stone ✅

[clear fiber]

FearfulSky — Today at 4:38 PM
Another suggestion to balance recon class, is to give the medic (and maybe assault) a "Recon Heartbeat Sensor" attachment which shows the heartbeat (position) of any recon class within ~1200m.

The developers have already mentioned that they would like to remove / limit medic C4, so perhaps this would be a welcome addition to the medics kit to avoid nerfing medic class too much.

This would allow medics (and maybe assault) to hunt down the recons as soon as they step out of safe zone, ensuring that they don't manage to get into a position which allows them to be overpowered and truly broken (as they are currently).

two birds, one stone ✅

[warm harness]

getting two birds stoned at once is always more efficient

[clear fiber]

great minds, you know?
FearfulSky — Today at 4:38 PM
Another suggestion to balance recon class, is to give the medic (and maybe assault) a "Recon Heartbeat Sensor" attachment which shows the heartbeat (position) of any recon class within ~1200m.

The developers have already mentioned that they would like to remove / limit medic C4, so perhaps this would be a welcome addition to the medics kit to avoid nerfing medic class too much.

This would allow medics (and maybe assault) to hunt down the recons as soon as they step out of safe zone, ensuring that they don't manage to get into a position which allows them to be overpowered and truly broken (as they are currently).

two birds, one stone ✅
Treefactory1 — Today at 4:39 PM
FearfulSky — Today at 4:38 PM
Another suggestion to balance recon class, is to give the medic (and maybe assault) a "Recon Heartbeat Sensor" attachment which shows the heartbeat (position) of any recon class within ~1200m.

The developers have already mentioned that they would like to remove / limit medic C4, so perhaps this would be a welcome addition to the medics kit to avoid nerfing medic class too much.

This would allow medics (and maybe assault) to hunt down the recons as soon as they step out of safe zone, ensuring that they don't manage to get into a position which allows them to be overpowered and truly broken (as they are currently).

two birds, one stone ✅
cunningStunts
OP
— Today at 4:39 PM
getting two birds stoned at once is always more efficient

[full cargo]

I hope Oki goes through with it to stay consistent with his uncalled sniper nerfs

[final imp]

Attachment means that it's optional. It should be mandatory. Also maybe some flashing lights too

[warm harness]

yesss, very good idea. fitting for the new Lighthouse class.

give that man a raise

[stiff hollow]

Yellow hazard vest when?

[warm harness]

holy shit good one, i never thought about how dangerous we are. very good.

osha approved

[stiff hollow]

Hard hat Skin incoming

Can we get some grade 5 pierce resistant gloves?

And why aren’t your boots steel capped damnit, those guns are heavy

[warm harness]

the guns are very heavy, we probably should only be able to use them while prone

honestly, i don't know if we should even be able to sprint with such a heavy burden

[woeful fiber]

You know what, put that giant laser mechanic you want also on any RPG heat.

[clear fiber]

great minds, you know?
FearfulSky — Today at 4:38 PM
Another suggestion to balance recon class, is to give the medic (and maybe assault) a "Recon Heartbeat Sensor" attachment which shows the heartbeat (position) of any recon class within ~1200m.

The developers have already mentioned that they would like to remove / limit medic C4, so perhaps this would be a welcome addition to the medics kit to avoid nerfing medic class too much.

This would allow medics (and maybe assault) to hunt down the recons as soon as they step out of safe zone, ensuring that they don't manage to get into a position which allows them to be overpowered and truly broken (as they are currently).

two birds, one stone ✅
Treefactory1 — Today at 4:39 PM
FearfulSky — Today at 4:38 PM
Another suggestion to balance recon class, is to give the medic (and maybe assault) a "Recon Heartbeat Sensor" attachment which shows the heartbeat (position) of any recon class within ~1200m.

The developers have already mentioned that they would like to remove / limit medic C4, so perhaps this would be a welcome addition to the medics kit to avoid nerfing medic class too much.

This would allow medics (and maybe assault) to hunt down the recons as soon as they step out of safe zone, ensuring that they don't manage to get into a position which allows them to be overpowered and truly broken (as they are currently).

two birds, one stone ✅
cunningStunts
OP
— Today at 4:39 PM
getting two birds stoned at once is always more efficient

[limpid nexus]

There should be a system which detects the position of your barrel. If your barrel hits dirt/sand etc., you will no longer be able to shoot your gun.

You will have to call in a gun cleaning supply kit via squad menu (costs squad points), which will arrive by parachute after 2 minutes. Then you need to hold a button to clean your gun for ~3 minutes. After that, your gun will work again (unless you again dump the barrel into the ground).

This should of course only apply to recon lighthouse class, as they are overpowered and often abuse the benefits of proning to minimize the chance they are seen. This will add more depth and force recon lighthouse players to think if proning is a good idea / a risk worth taking.

[warm harness]

another fantastic idea, wow

[woeful fiber]

Can I also have a majestic beacon of red light going to the sky, for anyone switching to C4?

[limpid nexus]

thanks! Glad that my insights can help shape the future of this game (where recon lighthouse class is no longer overpowered)!

[warm harness]

i'm so proud to have inspired so many great ideas for the new Lighthouse class

[full cargo]

Nah, I demand a spotlight gadget on snipers that has a bat symbol on, so that everytime we unpack the sniper, Batman gonna gives us Okis full fists of justice .

[warm harness]

Don't be shy with suggestions everyone, Lighthouses need your help

[final imp]

Auto tag snipers as soon as they spawn, in case some players are still having difficulty seeing where they are

[warm harness]

[woeful fiber]

show them on the map all time

[final imp]

Yep

[warm harness]

that would be useful

[final imp]

And add in a kill cam for sniper kills so everyone can get a good look at where the snipers are

[woeful fiber]

Recon's only camo are bright pink

[final imp]

Bright pink and orange flashing

[woeful fiber]

bright pink of the unity error

also, there should be a giant floating "double XP" bounty on top of their heads

[limpid nexus]

Great idea! Can't believe this was not yet suggested here. Thanks! ✅

[cloud plinth]

There are too many snipers in the game

[final imp]

Oh maybe lock sniper's controls for a full minute after they shoot

[limpid nexus]

Did you read this thread??? We are giving many good suggestions to solve the issues related to snipers.

[woeful fiber]

can only shoot once per game

gotta make it count

[final imp]

Aim or shoot, but not both

[woeful fiber]

you need someone with advanced bino to tell you the asimuth and the distance to snipe.

add wind mechanic too

teamwork is best

[pure junco]

every time you shoot a d10 gets rolled, on a nat 1 the recoil of the rifle hits your character's eye with the scope and you lose vision for the whole match

[final imp]

Oh, combine sniper rifles with suicide c4

[woeful fiber]

[final imp]

And it randomly executes 5 other snipers on your team for good measure

[woeful fiber]

[limpid nexus]

Developers could add wind into the game.
On areas that are higher (vantage points where OP recon lighthouse abusers usually are), wind speeds could be higher.

Wind speed will severely affect bullet travel and accuracy.

In order to accurately hit targets, they will require another player as a partner, to provide them with wind measurement information (using a new cool gadget).

Wind speed will change all the time, so recons need to calculate their shots quickly, using the information provided by their partner.

This would make the recon lighthouse class more dynamic, and also kind of limit the recon lighthouse classes that are actively abusing the OP state of the class and farming kills (as the partner will be doing wind measurements).

[clear fiber]

Wind so when the sniper shits themselves the smell can float towards the enemy?

[woeful fiber]

themself

[final imp]

chemical warfare is a warcrime

[sacred tangle]

Ass suggestion. Lighthouse is arguably the weakest class in the game and has a disproportionate amount of ass players who think they are not ass.

[cloud plinth]

yes like allowing only 2 per squad

[limpid nexus]

Perhaps 2 per game is more suitable and in-line with the developers vision for the future of Lighthouse class.

And that means only 1 in 64v64.

[clear fiber]

Lighthouse*

[cloud plinth]

Sounds better snipers in this game are absolutely useless for the team

[sacred tangle]

Fixed

[limpid nexus]

No they are too OP which is the reason for this thread...

[sacred tangle]

Point still stands. Giving them a laser thays always active is stupid

[limpid nexus]

ok how about this #1181374982081753118 message

[sacred tangle]

No tf they are not. Just don’t stand still or stand out in the open.

[sacred tangle]

Sure, yeah. Let’s play the waiting simulator for 2 minutes to… clean our gun…

In an otherwise insanely fast paced game.

[cloud plinth]

Its not about that, snipers should be limited

[warm harness]

i love all of you

[cloud plinth]

Now everyone just spams that shit while doing shit

[warm harness]

i'm not as angry now, thank you

[limpid nexus]

The class is very clearly OP. Hence the changes in #dev-wip. However, these changes are not enough.

Luckily there are now dozens of good ideas for future balance passes in this thread.

[sacred tangle]

Lmao the only reason thoses nerfs are coming is because he’s buffing glint

It’s called game balance

[cloud plinth]

if they cared about balance dmrs would have been removed from assault

[sacred tangle]

You can keep clown reacting me all you want, doesn’t make you right LMAO

You don’t take away a classes major weakness and not give it something else to compensate

[final imp]

Oh how about the lighthouse class is permanently blind because of all the light he's emitting

[sacred tangle]

Mfer said “we can fix sniper by giving them a two minute cooldown” and then acts like he’s the authority on if recon is OP

[warm harness]

habit.....i think something has went over your head bud

STEVE

PLEASE HONOR US WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS

[sacred tangle]

Not a sniper bullet I’ll tell you that much

[limpid nexus]

I have many hours with this class and it is clearly OP. I think you do not understand how far above this class is compared to the others.

You can just freely farm kills as long as you want, and there is no counter.

(btw here was another suggestion related to future counters to the class #1181374982081753118 message)

[slow ore]

If you give me another tool to not use to out snipe other players I'm all for it.

[final imp]

IIRC this is actually how US troops were trained to deal with enemy snipers in afghan

[sacred tangle]

I like this one better but unless I’m wrong they planned to give air strikes to Squad Leader. So those compete.

[limpid nexus]

Great to hear that this would also increase immersion and depth in a realistic way!

[warm harness]

would you be so kind to share this thread with your fellow gamers? I would like more constructive criticism on this important topic

it's a big ask, i know, but i would be greatful

[slow ore]

Yeah I can bring it up in discord for you.

[warm harness]

i just want reconsLighthouses to be fairly balanced

we are very unfair at the moment

i'm just thinking about everyone else.

[slow ore]

My input on this is, it's an attachment that has equal good and bad. If you can play without it you're at an advantage. If you play with it and it helps you get to the point where you may not need it anymore then awesome.

[sacred tangle]

The straight up counter to sniping is just good positioning. Just because a majority of players in this game think they’re playing a movement shooter don’t watch their heads doesn’t really change that.

[warm harness]

ahhhh yes i see. the attachement should really be integral, like the suppressors of the asval and badger!

now we're getting somewhere

[sacred tangle]

Also genuine question, why are some of y’all calling them lighthouse? Half the community seem to think that sniping from a distance is just camping like a coward

[limpid nexus]

#dev-wip

[warm harness]

habit.....there is a literal airport flying above you right now

[sacred tangle]

So this is a new thing

The name I mean

[slow ore]

Mind you positioning is very good. Though in very chaotic games, snipers are just more or less just something you get picked off to every several deaths. No real counter play to it when you can't get to them and are refusing to counter snipe.

[sacred tangle]

You can either provide context or shut it

[warm harness]

I made a suggestion to rename recon to Lighthouse, but it was deleted because it was considered a joke

[cloud plinth]

just dodge the 30 snipers shooting from the safezone in frontline real easy

[sacred tangle]

“There’s an airport over you” and then explains the related joke was deleted, so how am I supposed to know?

[slow ore]

Any time I play sniper I'm like 10+ KD cause it's just too hard to freely move in 127v127 frontline/invasion

[sacred tangle]

Yeah, lmao. Move smart and be in good positions and… what are they gunna do? Shoot through the wall at you?

[final imp]

Half the community are simpletons who think that the only respectable way to fight is pistols at 20 paces

[sacred tangle]

They aren’t an engineer with an RPG or a medic with C4. They’re some hundreds of meters away. If they can’t hit you and you don’t peak, they’ll look somewhere else

[full cargo]

They never heard of smokes

[sacred tangle]

Agreed

[slow ore]

My 92-0 game on tensa invasion was all from spawn, on 1 roof. Actually brain-dead point and click game with 0 threats.

[sacred tangle]

Lol

Bite me. Go cry about your lack of situational awareness

If you’re so mad that I’m calling your positioning shit that you wanna use slurs, maybe I’m touching a nerve?

[cloud plinth]

ye just dodge the 30 dmr 30 snipers

real easy

[warm harness]

Michael

[sacred tangle]

Yeah. Find a better spot to stand and you won’t have to dodge.

[warm harness]

lets not be rude

[cloud plinth]

just sit 30 min inside a house and not play the game so snipers are countered

[sacred tangle]

Nah it’s okay, I touched a nerve. :)

[warm harness]

we are all friends here

[cloud plinth]

nah bro I just hate to see people are god awful at the game yapping here

[sacred tangle]

Mmmh. Read the last sentence, yeah?

[cloud plinth]

cant stand it anymore

[full cargo]

Smokes and cover, if only half of the lobbies knew about Smokes grenades, the game would be totally different

[sacred tangle]

LMAOOO. I’m god awful, he says not knowing anything about me or how I play. Hush up and keep poking your head out that window

[warm harness]

argue somewhere else then, this is for legitimate suggestions to the recon lighthouse class

[sacred tangle]

And then call people slurs in chat because you suck

[warm harness]

i PMed you Habit, you shall know the context now

[cloud plinth]

Doubt

[sacred tangle]

I don’t have a messsge from you

[warm harness]

yes you do 😦 i msged you like 6 times

[sacred tangle]

I had to physically go into my stuff to see it

I didn’t get a normal notif for it

[lapis talon]

Then the snipers who find good positions in the frontline to flank people who you can counter are punished because theres everyone and their mother can see the tracer the guy who found a good flanking spot is at

[warm harness]

yeah the message notification in discord is kinda awful

[sacred tangle]

Good for you lmao

[cloud plinth]

Don't see your top score

[sacred tangle]

Because I lack whatever drive you have to screenshot my stats

[cloud plinth]

Sure. Hopefully they do something about the amount of snipers per game.

[sacred tangle]

Frankly, I don’t particularly care about your numbers of kills in a game when your attitude is so shit

[cloud plinth]

The game was much better when medic was the most played class

[limpid nexus]

Guys can you stop derailing this thread. Pls keep the discussion about ways that we can balance (nerf) the current Recon class, as it is very OP.

[final imp]

Oh every time you fire, the screen should flash in a way that induces a siezure in the player

[cloud plinth]

I don't think they need nerfs at all, just the amount of them per lobby

[lapis talon]

This change is only gonna make snipers who are useful punished and have to camp more because going in the frontline and flanking is not a good option anymore because bullet trails

[lapis talon]

Just integrate the max flashbang duration everytime you shoot

[sacred tangle]

I came in and said I thought the permalaser suggestion was ass and I ended up being called a slur. You’re barking up the wrong tree

[warm harness]

permalaser probably does need some tweaks

it should really include the added burden of an attachment

slower run speed and ads speed

[final imp]

perhaps a gravity field around the sniper that deflects nearby rounds into the sniper

[warm harness]

lasers are very heavy, you know

especially military lasers

[cloud plinth]

Yeah, sorry for the "slur". Most people in this game are very bad as their opinions are. Discord suggestion is a big mistae

[sacred tangle]

Apology denied, have a nice day :)

[warm harness]

hey hey we're making fantastic progress for making reconslighthouses more fair and balanced

[sacred tangle]

If you truly want a nerf to sniper just nerf the bullet speed or make the weapons heavier so they can’t reposition as well after shooting

There’s no need for all these outlandish and aggressive changes

[warm harness]

jesus christ

[full cargo]

Literal state of the game, devs turning the community against eachother

[final imp]

Why do that when we can just make snipers unplayable as a class instead

[warm harness]

this goes very well with the "only shooting while prone" suggestion

[lapis talon]

Did anyone even suggest making snipers have tracers in the suggestions

[sacred tangle]

Because if you do that you’ll end up having DMR snipers at 50 meters

[warm harness]

Oki is already taking care of that, read the upcoming changes post

[final imp]

Make them unplayable too

[sacred tangle]

Honestly the bullet velocities need a change anyway because like… the SSG69 has a velocity of 900

every single DMR has a faster velocity

[warm harness]

people who are good with the ssg are legends

[sacred tangle]

Well considering they removed it’s scythe camo, ain’t no reason to use it anymore

[warm harness]

i need to complile a list of all the wonderful suggestions here

[sacred tangle]

Or just remove all snipers and replace them with a musket

Long reload included

[final imp]

TBF i'd really love to see them all made real just to witness the carnage

[lapis talon]

Facts I have respect to whoever uses that unbearable gun

[final imp]

I support box formation volley fire

[lapis talon]

Why

[full cargo]

Yeah you should, only a matter of time before this gets deleted 💀

[lapis talon]

Why did they remove it

[warm harness]

i know :/

[sacred tangle]

Idk, same reason they removed that neat red/black/grey pattern camo

[final imp]

Would need to have a drum as a gadget so you can beat a rhythm for the snipers

[warm harness]

it wasn't supposed to be removed, it's getting added back

[lapis talon]

Yeah I heard it was a bug

[final imp]

Because we aren't allowed nice things

[sacred tangle]

I want to walk into a site and see 25 people lined shoulder to shoulder with muskets at the ready aimed at one doorway

And I want that blast to be heard across the map

[final imp]

Then half the map fills with smoke

[sacred tangle]

So DustyDew

[final imp]

booo

[clear fiber]

Lighthouse class pls

[true sparrow]

I can't believe everyone replied seriously to you lol

Oh man, I feel the pain. Those sniper updates are just stupid

[steady kelp]

The devs need to stop hurting snipers instead add things to deal with snipers

[pale birch]

this is dumb. a laser? The more effective method is to make it so you have to call out your shots before you can shoot your gun. The callout should play on the enemies radio which would cause them to freeze in confusion and let your sniper hit them in the head.

if they freeze in confusion they r bad

[stiff hollow]

My sister in Christ, this post is satire

[pale birch]

so is mine!

[stiff hollow]

So you’re innocent?

Spell crewmate backwards

[pale birch]

now i never said INNOCENT

i can't actually spell crewmate forwards so idk how thats gonna work

[stiff hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/sussy-baka-sus-among-us-gif-27599519

[tame topaz]

thiccc

[warm harness]

people never fail to entertain me

[cloud plinth]

thanks for the medic nerfs game has never been more good than now

[violet ravine]

wowee that glint change killed the class

[lapis talon]

More than half of them are useless, guarantee it

[lapis talon]

Anyways in other news Oki wants to punish snipers that actually get close enough to be useful a big fuck you and tell them to fuck off and camp like the other camping snipers