Selfish Medics

[wild sky]

OPs message was too long for threads or had too many emojis apparently so it got deleted by bot.

[tight flame]

.REPOST.

We all been there. Medic swoops by like a sonic, completely ignoring your downed body, despite its being safe to revive .

Medic needs to be changed to reinforce his role of a Support⛑️, instead of a role of "one man army" or Assault 🪖

🛠️Here is what we can do, all or combination of:

1. Restrict him only to assault rifles and carbines. +10% move speed from smg (ump and vector currently) directly encouraging "run and gun" selfish style of play.

2. Remove Light Armor. Same explanation as above.

3. Reduce self healing capabilities.
   It could be slower draw speed of his medkit or slower self heal or something completely different.

4. Remove c4.
   C4 does not belongs to Medic class. Same as movement speed buff from equipment, it too encourages the solo style of "run and gun"

.....

To those that will cry that this will very negatively impact his support role capabilities the answer is simple - start using your brains and equip Smoke Launcher and Smoke nades with heavy armor🫵

🥇Smoke Launcher is the best gadget in the game allowing you to quickly cover your team to revive and heal them and the best tool for your team to push, covering enemy positions in smoke instead, preventing them from firing from cover

🥈Smoke nades could provide same effects, but unfortunately they are inconsistent, im sure many of you have experienced this. Thats why you need heavy armor to have 4 of them, throw 2 of them in one spot to be extra safe or spread out 4 of them to cover huge area for your team to push.

[drifting salmon]

I don't know what you said OP but I agree. Selfish medics and shoo away.

aye, try going ctrl Z OP

[tight flame]

Nothing offensive

Very structured post

[drifting salmon]

Keep pressing ctrl Z

[tight flame]

I had in one go in 30 mins, no back up

[signal nest]

It got hit for spam, that's it. I know why it happened, gimme a min to fix it

[tight flame]

Basically, remove their offensives capabilities, that being:
1.Smg and light armour (+5/10% move speed each)
2. C4 (with the explanation why)
3. Slow down their self heal capabilities

And also explaining why Smoke Launcher is the best gadget in the game xd

To people that will view this as nerf to medic support capabilities, when in reality its just nerfing their offensives power

[tight flame]

Because bot was designed to mark everything with too much words as spam xd

[signal nest]

Well, isn't that what spam is?..

[tight flame]

" irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the internet, typically to a large number of users, for the purposes of advertising, phishing, spreading malware, etc."

[grand warren]

Could there be a system to prevent this in the future? Like writing a mod a DM and then he posts it with the same structure and just says: Idea by "@"Person

[signal nest]

Yes, and large walls of text..

[tight flame]

#1181199399104303124 message

[signal nest]

20 lines or more triggers the bot

[tight flame]

Ah see, no smart people allowed XD

[signal nest]

I've now made #1170727258537865367 immune to it

I've sent you your msg in DM

repost it

[tight flame]

Thanks!

[knotty osprey]

lmao

the bot is mad about line count

[tight flame]

Yeah, thats a very lazy programing

[signal nest]

Again, because walls of text is spam

and Discrd count empty lines, as a line

[tight flame]

But its not "wall of text"

[signal nest]

so

this is 7 lines

[obtuse grove]

Or they just have a lot to say? It seems far less likely that people saying a lot at once would be spamming than just explaining something complex

[tight flame]

Ok, i get your point, but its still does not change the fact that its lazy programing xd

[knotty osprey]

that has literally nothing to do with quality of code

[obtuse grove]

It could be called lazy in that it’s a very rudimentary method.

[tight flame]

Exactly

[knotty osprey]

i think it's fair

[signal nest]

It's a bot.. It has no intelligence to know if it's a well thought out, artistic piece of literature... Or a wall of text, containing random shit, letters/numbers..

[knotty osprey]

the limit is x lines
convey your idea on those 20 lines

not that hard

[obtuse grove]

I’m not aware that it cannot be changed
Since bots are fully capable of analysing text

[knotty osprey]

one easy way is to not add emojis to every phrase you say

[tight flame]

Lets stay on topic guys XDDDDD

Selfish medics xd

Medic class balance xd

[knotty osprey]

my experience with medics on the game is on the positive side

[signal nest]

In any case, I've added #1170727258537865367 to the bypass for spam..

[knotty osprey]

most of the time i'm ressed under crazy situations

one time i saw a guy jump from another building for those sweet points on my body

[obtuse grove]

Still, about this suggestion. It just sounds like a medic nerf. I don’t see why it would make them want to revive more

It just sounds like less medics so less reviving

[tight flame]

They will be forced to play their role

Basic game design

[obtuse grove]

No, they’ll just switch to an actually viable one

[tight flame]

This will be better

[obtuse grove]

If they stop playing medic they’ll revive even less than they do now

[knotty osprey]

basic game design: you nerf something, they switch to something on the meta

[knotty osprey]

not having medics is in no way better than current medics

[obtuse grove]

It would lead to more medics that are focused on team play in comparison to right now as a proportion of medics, but much less medics reviving in total. May as well just remove the class if you’re gonna make it that bad tbh

[tight flame]

If those medics dont play as A Medic then whats bad if there are going to be less medics because the switched to more faster Engineer or Assault?

Nothing of value will be lost.

Literally

[obtuse grove]

Because now reviving is less convenient so they do it even less.

Virtually everyone in this game is “selfish”

[tight flame]

That will not hurt the game

If anything, will balance overall quality of matches

[obtuse grove]

If having no medics isn’t a big hit to player freedom in specialisation then I have no idea what you’re thinking this would do

How is making a class bad supposed to balance it

It’d be like the old leader class, but honestly worse

[tight flame]

Only selfish people will stop playing medic. Medic players will continue play medic with smoke launchers

[obtuse grove]

everyone is selfish, more or less. You can’t paint this as black and white.

[knotty osprey]

not how it works

[obtuse grove]

Everyone plays to have fun and pure reviving is not what people play for

[tight flame]

Most medics dont heal and revive they just run and gun

[knotty osprey]

no one picks medic because they like holding a button to heal people
they do because it's rewarding in a way or another

same for any other class

[tight flame]

Read the post again

[knotty osprey]

they reward the player in the class with something

[obtuse grove]

So what? Most players don’t either

But for medics it is more convenient

So they are more inclined to do it

And actively punishing those that DO want to help their team will disincentivise helping their team.

[knotty osprey]

idk why he's speaking like no one revives anyone in the game

[obtuse grove]

A lot of the more selfless medics will bail as well.

[tight flame]

What you said is completely wrong.
Ppl pick medic because its meta. The other smaller portion of players pick medic to be a support.

[knotty osprey]

if i die and it says there's someone up to 10 meters of me

[sour arrow]

i was using medic as my main but then i changed to assault and i didnt run past dead bodies i revived them

[knotty osprey]

i'm 90% sure someone will ress me

every time

[sour arrow]

exactly medic is just a class people use because of how good it is

[obtuse grove]

Your idea is to nerf people who want to play medic for every reason. Not just meta (as though that’s inherently a bad thing).

[tight flame]

Thats not how its supposed to be, thats a broken balance

[obtuse grove]

Nerfing the class makes it less appetising to everyone

[sour arrow]

ik thats what im saying

[knotty osprey]

i have a better way to fix "selfish medics"

pick medic

spend the whole match healing

[tight flame]

Read the post again. Its not nerfing what medic is supposed to do. Its nerfing its overly aggressive capabilities that makes him meta

[knotty osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you will quickly realize how it will be boring as fuck

[tight flame]

Assault exist, buff him

[knotty osprey]

people will only pick medic if it's benefitial over the other classes

[tight flame]

Or ner medic so people would swtich to assault

[knotty osprey]

or quests etc...

[tight flame]

Or engi

[knotty osprey]

nerfing it to that point will make people not pick it

which also means broken balance

[sour arrow]

a good option would be to allow medics to drag bodies quicker or something, the medic should not be a yeet around class but a support one so that teamwork is encouraged

[knotty osprey]

nerfing a class to the ground to the point where it's "better removed" is not balance

[tight flame]

People will still pick medic to farm points and play support, as it should be

[autumn crest]

literally what is the point then? just arbitrarily make medics a worse class so people all shift to assault bcos???? reasons ig

[knotty osprey]

no one joins a 127 people shooting game to be healing others for 30min straight brother

[tight flame]

Reason is to balance medic class

[knotty osprey]

nerfing it to the ground is not balancing

[tight flame]

To be medic, and not asault

[knotty osprey]

you're just made because no one revived you

[autumn crest]

medic is balanced and u cant say any actual reason to suggest otherwise

[knotty osprey]

and you want medics gone because you're mad

[tight flame]

Read the post again, carefully

"All or combination of: ... "

[obtuse grove]

What it is “supposed to do” includes everything you can do in battlebit. Removing C4 for example makes it harder for medics to be meta AND harder for them to play to support the team at the same time.

Meaning: less people play medic. Reviving is less convenient. You now have less medics that revive than before as it isn’t like this can somehow make the class more popular.

At this rate we may as well reduce support to 20% move speed to encourage their playstyle further… or remove primaries from medics and ammo kits from assault…

[autumn crest]

assault is now the actual meta for most aggresive, perma pushing players, u just dont know that

[obtuse grove]

Nobody plays the game exclusively to revive people and to expect as such from a medic is absurd.

[tight flame]

Read the post "all or combination of: ..."

[knotty osprey]

more than absurd.
absolutely insane

this means breaking the ENTIRE gameplay loop

[obtuse grove]

I have read the post. What point are you trying to make here

[tight flame]

It's doesn't remove medic combat capabilities, just nering them, what are you talking about?????

[knotty osprey]

you're literally suggesting making the medic useless on your original post

lmao

making him slow

heavier

worst weapons

kekw

[tight flame]

Im playing him that way, and im top scoring

[autumn crest]

good luck healing people on medic if u make them slower for "balance" lmao, theyre already not the fastest class so why are we acting like they are?

[obtuse grove]

Mate, come on.
If medic combat abilities are made worse, that affects everyone who plays medic. I didn’t say it makes them utterly incapable but it does make them useless. Making a class this much worse probably makes it actually easier to revive people as an assault…

[tight flame]

With assault rifles and heavy armor with 4 smokes

[tight flame]

Skill issue

[autumn crest]

post stats

[knotty osprey]

said the guy who created a topic because he died and no one revived

[obtuse grove]

I sincerely wish I was a less polite person so I could bring myself to insult you right now.

[obtuse grove]

(And his own suggestion will lead to him being revived less…)

If we want medics to revive more we make it more convenient to support the team as a medic. Not less convenient to do everything with the class including helping the team.

[knotty osprey]

less medics = less chances to encounter a medic
less chances to encounter a medic = less chances of being revived

[sour arrow]

idk i dont think medic needs a nerf to the ground but adapting more capabilities so that playing selfishly isnt rewarded as much as playing with your team and assault is quite good now and the bandage speed update changed a lot and its already fine at the moment idk really i understand how annoying it is for medics to run past people that need help but a heavy nerf shouldnt be added its alright as is and people can still get a decent amount of kills with assault , support and engineer with a similar amount of kills so it usually depends on skill which is good choice

[autumn crest]

no u dont get it, we should make medic garbage, thatll for sure make people want to play the class as a healer when every other part of gameplay sucks for them

[tight flame]

That will not make him garbage, lol

I just explained that

[knotty osprey]

look this way: sniper is one of the weakest classes but everyone is fine with it
why? because it's fun

limiting weapons, c4, making it slow and shit won't make medic "balanced" it will make it BAD and not fun

[obtuse grove]

So true bestie

[knotty osprey]

"oh, but i play it this way"
yeah, that's the whole point of loadouts, keep going

[obtuse grove]

Every single one of the suggestions you made is a significant nerf.

[tight flame]

Sniper is not weak

[obtuse grove]

For KPM it is

[knotty osprey]

you're not playing the same game as us...

[autumn crest]

nah u legit just dont know what ur talking about man, sorry u didnt get revived a couple times but this is a non issue lmao

[tight flame]

Skill dependent class.

[knotty osprey]

compared to the other classes, sniper is weaker

[obtuse grove]

The most skill dependant class by default I think must be the one played by the top players…

[tight flame]

Close combat sniping with x6 is the 🐐

[knotty osprey]

he's stationary most of the time and slow as fuck when not
aiming makes a glint that everyone in front of you spot your position
you have to bolt after every shot fired

[tight flame]

Im not going to discuss with you two further because you completely misunderstand the purpose of class roles

[heady yew]

1. Move speed is good for medics that want to quickly reach teammates in need of help. Problem is not SMGs inherently. See next point.
2. Actual good KD-seeking Medics always use Ranger armor for the extra ammunition. This is what should be removed as it gives Medic way too much self-sufficiency for solo running and gunning.
3. No. Bad. Wrong. Self-healing speed should be the same across every class because it's a fundamental part of the gameplay loop. The only thing that needs to be tweaked here is their inability to give bandages to people (should be a basic feature of the Medic class) and their ability to infinitely self-heal. This is achieved very simply by turning Medkits into the equivalent of the Support box for health: right-click to heal others, left-click to deploy an abundant source of bandages (20+).
   3.5. On the point of Medkit usability, holding heal in front of someone's face until they get to 100% is very slow and inconvenient. Without buffing the healing speed, adding a heal over time effect (stopped on damage) that lets the Medic cut down the boring "hold LMB" time in half would facilitate Medics stopping by to heal people.
4. C4 itself is OP and needs to be balanced across the board. I would not tweak anything specific to Medic and C4 at this time. But the smoke launcher certainly can use a buff to make it a competitive alternative over C4.

[autumn crest]

bro lmao

[knotty osprey]

nah, you're missing the point of class roles
picking a role on battlebit is not picking a job on the team

it means picking a specific extra skill your character has to change the gameplay loop slightly

battlebit is a shooting game

every class should be competent at shooting

limiting his weapons

removing his c4

and making him sluggish makes him terrible for shooting

[tight flame]

I dont have time to write long replies proving that you are completely and utterly misunderstanding the class/role philosophy in game design

And not only that, but to multiple people

Buzzah

[knotty osprey]

you're literally suggesting to punish the medic BY REMOVING the literal definition of the game "shooting"

[tight flame]

Assault rifles and carbines are good enough for medic

[autumn crest]

u havent got any actual reasoning for ur suggestion beyond u sometimes not getting revived, u dont even know what the actual class balance is, u complain medic is too fast while engi is actually the fastest class, u complain medic is used for run and gun too much while assault is now actually the best class for this playstyle, ur completely clueless and to be honest, most likely terrible at the game judging by things u have said

[knotty osprey]

they are not

[tight flame]

Personally i use m4

[knotty osprey]

they need to be close to the teamates

[obtuse grove]

I don’t know how you convinced yourself that making a class bad will make it better at its role. But it’s just silly, really.

[tight flame]

Or fal

[knotty osprey]

which literally means close combat most of the time

[echo nymph]

You can take away my guns, you can slow my self heal, but I will still just run straight over your dead body 🙂

[autumn crest]

class thats "meant" to be on the front lines reviving and healing shouldnt have close quarters guns lmao

[obtuse grove]

They’re not bad, but it’s an un-needed nerf.

Like, why does it need that nerf

[tight flame]

It will make a class to be a Medic, from an "one man army" class that can do everything except climbing roofs

[obtuse grove]

Making the class weaker in combat in a combat based game makes it worse at everything. Not just worse at one thing.

Medic is not a one man army, it’s just competitive

Like assault and engineer are. Maybe even support

[tight flame]

Weaker in aggressive playstyle

Which is not medic

[obtuse grove]

No, that affects all playstyles

You will use your gun regardless of your playstyle

[knotty osprey]

it's A SHOOTING GAME

THE PRIMARY FOCUS

IS TO SHOOT

NOT TO HEAL

you have to put that into your mind

[autumn crest]

wait real quick OP, do u even play medic?

[knotty osprey]

it's not possible you're purposefully ignoring that

[obtuse grove]

Making a medic worse at fighting also makes it worse for supporting the team. This is such a simple concept.

[knotty osprey]

being a medic is a QUIRK you have to help your team-mates and you only do it BECAUSE IT REWARDS you

[tight flame]

Im done xd

[autumn crest]

do u even play medic? answer pls

[knotty osprey]

he said he does with heavy gear :kms:
damn, my nitro ended

[sour arrow]

umm mate this is quite an aggresive game tbh. You often have cqc firefights so i cant understand making something weaker when aggressively used. BECAUSE most classes are used that way and this means that flanking is one of the best tactics as well, speed is required so light armour is required and can be effective in the same way light armour on assault can be effective as well, or on the engineer. The only difference with medic is that they have 20 bandages and a medkit so if you play anyone else as aggressive, the medic must be able to play aggressive or its severly underpowered. Thats just how the game works and nothing is going to change nerfing the medic, but only make players never use it, if i can yeet with assault and engineer i can do so with medic to counter these classes.

and you can use assault with smgs as well

[obtuse grove]

Consider adding “.” and “,” into your messages

[sour arrow]

yeah i kinda rushed it lol

[echo nymph]

Just ANY punctuation

[knotty osprey]

"To those that will cry that this will very negatively impact his support role capabilities the answer is simple - start using your brains and equip Smoke Launcher and Smoke nades with heavy armor🫵"

A.K.A: You have no choice of freedom, forget loadouts, forget your way of playing the game YOU MUST PICK THIS IF YOU WANT TO EVER SUCCEED in healing your teamates

||oh... you decided not to go into all of this trouble and just play other class instead? SKILL ISSUE||

"Restrict him only to assault rifles and carbines"

A.K.A: you're a close combat class because you need to on top of the literal corpses near enemies, but you're stuck with those medium+ range weapons.

|| oh... you got tired of being in disavantage against the enemy team and you're failing to heal your allies? SKILL ISSUE||

"Remove Light Armor"

||who cares if you're walking like a damn juggernaut towards the middle of the battlefield on a pile of corpses? SKILL ISSUE||

"Remove c4"

||because c4 kills, and medics are supposed to heal ONLY, shoot only when necessary to not get kicked from the server for inactivity||

i actually WISH we had inactivity kicks...

[bright crown]

What did you just post? You do realize, that games are made for the most part to be realistic, or a sim, but in a FPS, you HGAVE to have things that are not, otherwise there would literally be no fun. Medics with no weapons, come on now....

[sour arrow]

the post he made is kind of showing why removing guns on medic suck and is satire of the op btw

[autumn crest]

no i dont realise that all games are meant to be sim games, what even is this take man

[knotty osprey]

yeah bro, i'm quoting the original author

[bright crown]

ahh, sorry then bro lol... its 2am.. thought YOU were stating that

[knotty osprey]

no problem

[bright crown]

i never said ALL games, I said games, a generalization. Which is what a lot of games, these days, do go for. And as most devs will tell you, the most fun is making things that are NOT realistic. hence why I mentioned medics.. 🙂

I'm use to reading silly posts of people saying "nerf medic" etc this that and the other... when most medics I play with, actually heal people and revive.

[sour arrow]

yeah not everyone wants to play escape from tarkov but 127 v 127

[knotty osprey]

momma always said i'm not everyone

that would be fun

can't wait for battlebit milsim

[sour arrow]

i kinda realized that what i just said is arma 3.... oh well

[sour arrow]

graphics are very good

[knotty osprey]

half of my battlebit time on steam is stoned anyway

as long maps are well made i don't care about graphics
we are going off-topic

[round sphinx]

The only points im for : remove c4 from medic and buff their revive capacity (faster/easier)

[obtuse grove]

Maybe putting a revives stat on the leaderboard would help

Just so people get more validation from their hard work

[heady yew]

Yeah give them the Payday inspiring shout

[obtuse grove]

Could be argued that it’s just as important to show as kills and deaths.

[heady yew]

Micspamming causes everyone around you to be revived

[obtuse grove]

Honestly medics having something like the defibrillators from The Finals could be a cool way to incentivise team support

Not spammable but a minor expenditure to get an ally up again

[knotty osprey]

could be a medic-only gadget with 2 charges (+ vest slots)

i'm down to removing c4 for that
or reducing his self-heal but allowing him to go as fast as whatever class is the fastest at the time

this would lead to the medic appearing, doing his shit but take a little more to come back into the combat

[thin gulch]

they will crucify you but you are right.

[cunning shore]

dallas; gtf up

[pure depot]

why would you want medic to be even worse to play now? most people switched to assault

[elfin quarry]

What do medics get for reviving players?

explain as im new

[gusty marten]

Bbr users on their way to shit on medics because they aren’t a dedicated heal/res bot You screamed “MEDIC!!!” 5 times in front of an enemy who’s clearly camping your body

But yeah no you’re right, medics are selfish for not going for suicide rezzes, and c4 on medic specifically is the problem and not how strong it is overall in general

“Just use smokes”

Using smokes does not stop teammates from being dumb. You complain about medic not playing more of a support role yet teammates expect us to dodge and weave through chokepoints just to “revive” one person who’s likely already hit the respawn screen (or if not, they’re right next to enemies so reviving or dragging them is pointless)

Literally the most “I hate medic smg even after the nerf” suggestion I’ve seen, jfc I might just stop playing medic if you NPCs only expect us to somehow get you out of stupid situations that you got yourselves into with your (ironically) own selfish plays. Clown suggestion.

[gusty marten]

and there it is, proof that this is clearly a low effort. "I hate medic"/cope suggestion.

[tight flame]

Worst part is that some people are imbeciles that can't read.

[tight flame]

Im playing medic my self.
With heavy/normal armor and assault rifles and his combat capabilities are the same as engi

I don't hate the class, but its just too strong. Its both Assault class and Medic class currently.

People thinking that removing light armor and smgs will some how make medic unplayable and overnerfed are clearly never played medic/healer role in other games

[gusty marten]

then you know that expecting medics to be only a heal bot is objectively bad for the health of it

because it encourages stupid play under the guise of "my medic should run in and heal me cause what else are they good for xd"

[tight flame]

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[tight flame]

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[gusty marten]

My point still stands

[empty chasm]

Only way to make people heal and revive is to make this two little things more appealing and rewarding (for both sides), that's why I ask for something like a defibrillator for instant rezz, and an alternative for medkit, limited injections that instant heal someone else 70hp, and yourself 40

[gusty marten]

Its not meant to be a dedicated heal bot. We Shouldn't be bringing it into this direction. If you want medic to do medic things, perhaps encourage them to buff up their teammates instead of kicking the class whilst its down?

[tight flame]

Its hilarious that you (and others) think that removing sng and light armor turns him in to just a heal bot

[gusty marten]

I'm saying trying to force gameplay that people get punished/not rewarded for playing a certain way is objectively dumb.

[tight flame]

Mere concept of a class/role is an enforcement of playing in a specific way. Sorry for your brain rot xdd

[gusty marten]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-speech-bubble-gif-26076572

Your suggestions are only nerfs and not "hey lets encourage them to play this way"

[tight flame]

What an intelligent way to respond, go play phantom force zoomer

[tight flame]

Smokes

[gusty marten]

ok NPC

[gusty marten]

Jfc npc agruement. "Force playstyle by removing options and adding 1 thing from assault that does the same thing as the base medic kit" is all you suggested.

[tight flame]

Its really funny how you say that, completely missing out the best way to play medic that i explained at the end of my post 😂

[gusty marten]

and I told you why it's objectively bad

but if you think spamming smokes and being heal bot = good for medic, go ahead. I still stand by the opinion that we need to give it options to buff teammates

[tight flame]

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[gusty marten]

going by this argument support is a better medic cause it can supply bandages. NPC argument again.

why am I wasting my time with skyrim characters

[tight flame]

Make his medikit heal people when dropped is the only buff that could be added

[tight flame]

Yeah, same xd

[tight flame]

And also, you have not provided single valid argument, just the "i want run and gun as medic"

[empty chasm]

He is not entirely wrong with what he says tho, healing and reviving is not rewarding at all

[empty chasm]

.

[gusty marten]

I dont care for run and gun or not, I'm the one trying to go for heals and rezzes

In an ideal world, YES medic should be buffing the team. So why are we nerfing the kit further when it's already bad?

[tight flame]

Yeah, because oki is stupid.

[empty chasm]

On that we all can agree

[tight flame]

Every class can now do it themself

[full obsidian]

yes but not the medic that dropped it

[tight flame]

With increased self bandage speed

[empty chasm]

That's why medic DESPERATELY NEEDS more healing and reviving options

[tight flame]

And reducing it for non medics

[empty chasm]

I've been saying this before the changes

Medic needs new options

[gusty marten]

or at least more support options that buff the team, that.. you know.. reward the medic and their team for being medics

[empty chasm]

That's why people only used him for gun and run

[gusty marten]

imma be real, I have more fun turning support into a medic than I do playing actual medic rn. Maybe one day I'll be able to give the team slight speed buffs or whatever

[tight flame]

Self heal for other was obvious, but buffing it was such a stupid idea, making medic even more useless as a support and more encouraging selfish style of play

[empty chasm]

Exactly, but when I suggested making the medkit work like Battlefield when thrown, one only insulted me 💀

[elfin quarry]

There is a very old saying for this OP. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink. People will inherently always do what they find the most enjoyment over. In the cases of medic players you are referring to. These are the people who gain enjoyment from high stats, and high kill games.

I can understand the frustration you're having with them but you cant shame them for focusing on what they enjoy the most.

The players you do see reviving care about the overall outcome of the game, either a win or a loss. So they're playing on the objective, and they're preventing causalities when they see fit.

Unfortunately there is no real way to pull players from doing what they want. Punishing them for doing something (in their heads) is the objective, and the source for fun will always bring backlash from them.

[empty chasm]

EXACTLY, that's why I suggested new healing options instead of what we have today

[tight flame]

Restrict the class capabilities likes its done in other bf games is exactly the solution

[gusty marten]

ok hear me out, I type out a suggestion for the med kit and hope it isn't stupid

[empty chasm]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1170745042827235481

[empty chasm]

Like I've said, make it more rewarding and people will take one sec to heal or revive, that's why no one does it, because you gain nothing, especially with how fast ttk is (don't get me wrong, I'm not against current ttk)

[tight flame]

Because people are mostly wild animals you force them to play certain way with a class/role that restricts you from playing how you want, forcing you to switch class for that

And class/role is thing that is missing with Assault and Medic currently

[gusty marten]

I'll do you one better, since bringing that thread up would likely get nercoed plus I wanna focus on the med kit

[empty chasm]

I just linked it so you can see what I posted

New threads are always apreciated

[elfin quarry]

The solution to this may in fact have players playing the role as intended but it is a very blanketed fix. There will be players caught in the middle where they do enjoy rushing around, and reviving to various degrees. It would have to be polled to figure out how many people would be effected by this change before it was made. Players in that area between rushing and focusing on reviving may swap to other classes, and shelf reviving all together. If this were to be done, you could see a significant drop to reviving at all. It is very much a possibility, but would people like yourself be okay with that? Knowing that you will be revived a lot less, but know you will most likely be revived if a medic is near by.

[empty chasm]

I now I shit on Oki a LOT, and I mean a LOT, but that's because this game is extremely good and I don't like seeing it current state

[tight flame]

EXACTLY

[empty chasm]

If this game dies because of stupid decisions it's gonna be really sad for everyone and an extremely good essay on how to not make a game

[tight flame]

Looks like someone did not played bf games

[elfin quarry]

I have over 5000 hours across all bf games.

[tight flame]

Then wtf are talking about

Bf classes are strict

[elfin quarry]

They are strict, but you still see medics running past you very often.

[tight flame]

Not as much as in bbr

I mostly get revived by non medics

[elfin quarry]

There are many variables to why thats the case. Would you like to hear them?

[tight flame]

I know them

This post explains key factors

[elfin quarry]

Your suggestion would be asking for a different solution if you knew all the variables.

[tight flame]

This a simplest, fastest solution for oki sakes

Anything more complicated would be stuck in dev for ages with how oki prioritize his work

Bandage for more bigger problem of general class identity 2 of the classes suffers

Although not really "bigger" easily fixed by restrictions of equipment

Like how its done in bf games, lol

[elfin quarry]

What you had suggested in your 4 points guts the class. Leaving it for people who only want to revive. Sure it gives you what you want. Medics that revive. There is a cause and effect of everything you change.

What about medics who revive and like fast move speed of the smgs?
What about any player that likes this move move speed of smgs?
What about medics who revive and like fast move speed of the lighter armors?
What about medics who revive and their favorite equipment is the c4?
What about medics who revive and love the faster self healing, and enjoy being able to quickly draw the med kit out?

Every variable should, and needs to be looked at by devs before making choices. All of these players would have to make a choice to sacrifice all what you listed to continue to revive on the class, or pick a different class entirely, where its main objective is not to revive other players.

Your solution may be easy for you to see, and very clear but for a dev thats a lot of things to look after.

I have a long background in this feild, and in my time ive watched many games die for various reasons. Everyone whos been around gaming for a while knows at least 1 game thats died because of something. Balancing is very difficult on devs, and many games have died because of balancing issues. Devs are human, we all are so there is always going to be things overlooked from time to time.

[empty chasm]

Do you have a really one point, but there is only one thing that should be deleted from medic, without question

C4

That's all, leave everything else as is

[full obsidian]

tbh faster selfhealing doesn't matter much now with the speed of bandaging

[elfin quarry]

Still, even in just deleting that has a ripple effect on tons of deferent variables. If you're asking for something implemented in a game and balanced to be completely deleted there must be a widely agreed on reason for doing so across all players and devs for place of overall game health, and obviously fun.

[elfin quarry]

You're 100% right. The results of which are you are seeing a lot more players spreading across different classes because they felt limited based on the previous way bandages worked.

[empty chasm]

Also, like I've already say, the only way to make people heal and revive is to make it more rewarding for both sides

It doesn't matter how much you limit medic, that will only make it worse

People won't do it if there's no good reason

[elfin quarry]

Rewarding goes hand in hand with buffing. If the issue is "medics are not reviving people" the solution has to be BUFF revives. Though you have to go around it in a way that entices players to do it, for their own benefit as much as it already benifits the team.

[full obsidian]

xp xp xp

[elfin quarry]

Nope, exp is actually not a good way.

[tight flame]

"what about people that love speed?" Is basically what your argument is build on

[elfin quarry]

Put yourself in the shoes of a player who is going for kills, and they are selfish, never revive.

[full obsidian]

"thank you" from the devs each time you revive an ally

[tight flame]

Medic do t need speed, he have smokes

[full obsidian]

💀

[empty chasm]

One way I think would work is making it instant:
Defibrillator

You and the downed player won't lose time (and if you get close to him fast enough, he won't respawn), also, instant 100% hp heal when revived

[tight flame]

Its not like i huge difference in speed loss anyway, holy shit

[full obsidian]

100%hp?

[tight flame]

You always can go normal armor and switch to pistol for speed to get to your team mates

[empty chasm]

Reviving with full hp, yes

[tight flame]

The difference of light and normal is 5%

Holy fuck people are stupid

[full obsidian]

I'd like medic to revive people with more HP but not full. Instant reviving would also cause problem I'm sure. Reviving faster why not.

[elfin quarry]

Trust me, people are very very very petty when it comes to debuffs. Even if something is a 1% nerf to something and they can feel it. They will complain a whole lot.

[empty chasm]

I can see the problem with full hp, instantaneous revive don't

[tight flame]

My suggestion wont make medic slow as a Support

Most people use normal armor anyway

And assault rifles

[full obsidian]

SuicideC4 but it's ReviveC4

[empty chasm]

Lmao

[tight flame]

This change will not affect majority of people

[elfin quarry]

This is a very realistic solution that the devs could in fact take into consideration. Where as balancing is ultimatly up to them.

[empty chasm]

Exactly

[elfin quarry]

Good suggestion marcs

[empty chasm]

We are only giving possible solutions, they can do with that information what they want

[autumn crest]

oh hey u actually came back, so as i asked yesterday, do u even actually play medic like a reasonable amount?

[elfin quarry]

Even though these types of players are an issue for the players with that W in mind. The bigger picture of it all is they're also players, even though they play like idiots in minds of other people. Players in general are what keep this game running so its number 1 priority to think of solutions that have the least negative effects on everyone.

[gusty marten]

tried doing it and got timed out, gonna wait for true devil or someone to tell me how to make it without deleting it

[empty chasm]

Oh, you wrote too much? That's the bot fault

Only make the title and a single something in the description then comment the rest

[gusty marten]

there we go

[empty chasm]

Nice

[knotty osprey]

yes, everyone who doesn't agree with your stupid logic are imbeciles

[knotty osprey]

that's YOUR way of playing the game and it's the whole point of loadouts.
do not enforce your shit into other people's

[knotty osprey]

defibrillator is actually so good if it's just few charges
hope to see it in game, revives will skyrocket

[round sphinx]

at this point, reviving should trigger an explosion that kills enemies around to give smg rushers an other tool when they're already playing best meta weapon, g18 C4
I'll always wonder how those players think of people playing the worst weapons, attachments, or accessories, they must look like gods to them

or maybe they became like that because those tools like this exist, so better remove them like that we'll finally be able to see skill and maybe they'll start reviving and doing teamplay things

[tight flame]

I play medic in all battlefield games because i enjoy supportive role.

In bbr im the sole reason my team is able to push because everyone on medic is too brain dead to equip smoke launcher and heavy armor for 4 snoke nades. %20 speed buff doesn't matter if enemy cannot see you.

My highest kd and score is on medic, i played him enough to understand that his combat capabilities needs to be nerfed and left for assault class.

Defensive style of play described by me is more then enough for medic, he is a support class after all. Its as effective as every other class.... except support, support is utterly fucked, i played that class more then medic trying to make it work, but its just doesn't

Medic role is not an offensive role, thats for assault class, and right now medic is just better assault class.

[round sphinx]

Assault and medic are tight atm, I don't think medic is stronger than assault, it depends if you're staying alive a lot while doing your fights (so you run out of bandages)

but they're still better than support, engi and recon

[tight flame]

Medic is mathematically and practically better then Assault class because you can heal faster and have inf number of bandages

Ads and reload buffs are barely noticeable on assault. Ads is already fast enough on most weapons, plus because of how hipfire is made in bbr, you dont even need to care about ads speed since you can start firing and ads in proces

[round sphinx]

nah you can't heal faster, atm bandage is almost same speed as first aidkit and Assault have bonus stats thing Medic doesn't

[tight flame]

Exactly, unnecessary buff that nerfs medic as a support

When medic needs to be nerfed as a offensive class

[round sphinx]

"ads and reload speed are noticeable" it counts when you're rushing hard and can change the end of a fight

[tight flame]

Learn to hip fire

[round sphinx]

that's why it's still played a lot with medic

[round sphinx]

Say that to best players on BBR atm, most of them are barely hipefiring, only at 5m max

[autumn crest]

so u main medic? thats odd considering ur not on the leaderboards for healing or reviving, guess ur not doing much supporting and are instead just mad people play differently to u and are asking for nerfs around how u want to play like a selfish child rather than letting people have some freedom for different playstyles

why would u not be on the leaderboards for doing medic things since ur so fervantly complaining about how other medic players dont do that?

u dont want to be a hypocrite do u?

its top 5000, ur a medic main with like 400 hours, who is posting about how medics should only ever be for healing and reviving yet u clearly dont do that urself, acting like this doesnt completely undermine ur point is kinda crazy ngl

yes dodge my point bcos u know its more proof ur clueless

i dont feel the need to talk about ur awful suggestions further, its already been done and u ragequit ur own suggestion yesterday after a few people all said ur clueless and dont know what ur talking about

calls me special, forgets what i said in literally my last message

how do u scroll up 2 messages when i said it was the last message?

and yet still, u wont actually say shit, just "haha that dumb i wont say why", just like ur response to everyone who has criticised ur suggestions bcos ur not open to any possibility that u dont know what ur talking about

i said last message, not question, learn to read

the fact ur still today arguing medic is the meta not assault shows u have no clue what ur talking about, u just sit and play ur heavy armor medic with no thoughts about anything else, u dont know what the meta is, u dont know class balance, and u sit here calling everyone telling u this dumb bcos u cant even articulate ur own points

once again the wrong message, this is just getting embarrassing now man come on

ur not trolling anything, u actually just dont know what ur talking about, it wasnt even me u were talking to about how assault is actually garbage (its not, its the meta since last patch, u just dont know anything about the game)

its literally as easy as going to the message u called me special, and then looking at the last message i sent before that, how u arent understanding this i have no clue

bcos ur wrong, medic is not still better, assault is now the meta for aggressive players

oh u mean exactly what u have done to everyone who has told u that ur wrong and ur suggestion sucks?

i was here yesterday when u ragequit ur own suggestion thread about an hour after posting it lol, people were making points and u just insulted them and ran off and didnt come back until today lmao

again, i was here, i know thats just not what happened, but whatever ur legit too delusional and unable to accept that u could ever be wrong about anything

i dont think u know what projecting means

its not, its a very good point that u completely refuse to engage with

but since we're back on ur stats, its weird how u claimed ur a medic main but the only leaderboards ur on are for using, destroying and repairing vehicles, almost like ur actually an engineer main and thats why u have no clue what ur talking about when it comes to medic

it doesnt take a top player to crack the top 5000 for holding left click with the med box in hand, especially when ur claiming ur a medic main and have almost as many hours as me

dont project ur skill issue onto me pls

no it doesnt lmao

its not supposed to mean ur good, its literally just what u mainly use, why are u this incapable of ever accepting ur wrong

evidently u havent become good at any class, and u said urself u main them all

im literally just calling u bad again.....

ur trying way too hard to try and appear smart and its not working man, pls just talk normally im getting second hand embarrassment

i mean ive seen ur leaderboard positions and hours played, feel free to dm me ur stats page if u want me to make fun of u more accurately tho

u also literally said ur bad urself

the offer to dm me/send ur stats to off topic stands, no point arguing about it bcos i know u wont send ur stats page

ive made arguments, other people have made arguments, u have no interest in peoples arguments at all, all u do is call them dumb and refuse to engage with them

the whole thing boils down to u thinking ur playstyle is the only good and correct one so medic should get completely gutted but only things that u dont use, ur a weird selfish guy who doesnt even know what the actual meta is but is loudly trying to claim that u actually know better than everyone else

[autumn crest]

.

thats, once again, not a response to what i said, u continue proving what i said about u dodging every point anyone makes while trying to reply to me saying that lmao

ah ofc i guess u didnt see the message i linked when it was posted, they sent it just after u threw ur tantrum and rage quit ur own suggestion thread bcos too many people were saying ur take is trash lmao

aint no way ur trying to "no u" me right now

google spelling of definition xd

as opposed to what? u acting like i dont know the definition of a word i used?

not to mention, it all coming from me saying u threw a tantrum and all u said back was basically "nuh uh ur throwing a tantrum!!!!"

this is the most embarrassing hill to die on

what is it that u think tantrum means?

thats not what i asked

i mean its not just that, its a bit more specific but ofc u wouldnt, oh i dunno, google a definition

oh....

yes i was being a bit hyperbolic and now u have fixated on one word for like 15 minutes bcos u just had to like treble down on trying to say i dont know what tantrum means

while also not even being able to say what it actually means urself btw

kinda yikes

u said a vague and therefor wrong definition, which i would let slide if u hadnt been so obnoxious and telling me to google the definition as if i dont know what a simple word means

[pure depot]

get a room guys

[autumn crest]

this could read as bursting out laughing, thats an outburst of emotion, are u really, truly going to die on the hill that u didnt word this poorly at the very least?

its very specifically anger, not "emotions", again proving u refuse to ever accept that ur wrong

oh look, not actually responding to a point yet again

damn u love living up to all my criticisms of u at every opportunity while still denying them being right

yes, are u going to seriously argue joy isnt an emotion now?

and crying isnt necessarily a tantrum, like i said its specifically anger, how are u still getting it wrong after being so obnoxious about this

bro.......

all that negative applause u see all the time....

oh so now u dont want me to google the definition of words to prove u wrong? now thats a strawman? i see i see

no it isnt, its a completely different word....

also, lol

and for the last time, tantrum is specifically anger

i will simply stop with this argument, u are wrong, its clear that ur wrong, and i get the feeling english isnt ur first language so its very odd to me that ur arguing this much when it would be very easy to just say that and not look like this much of a weirdo

ur so embarrassing

damn bro u forgot ur punctuation in that one

that's*

and never putting full stops smh, how can u try to pass urself off as such a true intellectual without that?

why not

ur making up definitions and rules for words in ur head in a language that isnt even ur first language, why would i bother doing anything more when its this easy

are* btw

u reading that as a compliment shows ur understanding of english is a bit lacking ngl

[shadow bronze]

🍿

[autumn crest]

obviously

that sentence doesnt make sense btw

also, definition* again

what does that have to do with anything i said? the sentence u just typed doesnt make sense

the game will be fine

the funniest part of all of it is that ur awful suggestions for medic nerfs will never happen, ur sitting here calling everyone who tells u that ur takes are bad dumb and dying on this weird hill for nothing

i already said that i was being hyperbolic, i guess u dont know what that means tho so whatever
and this, once again, doesnt change the fact that the sentence does not make sense

"a very basic english terminology" i cba man this pseudo intellectual act is so embarrassing when u type shit like this that just isnt even grammatically correct, it would be so easy for u to just say "english isnt my first language my bad" but u cant even do that, u are completely unable to admit ur wrong about even something that would make complete sense for u to be wrong about

the exaggeration being that it was a tantrum (uncontrolled anger) when it was probably just u being a bit salty that everyone was saying ur dumb and wrong

im begging u, spell definition right one time if ur going to keep using it while trying to act smart

lol, lmao even

yes when u abandon ur own suggestion thread in like an hour after everyone is telling u that ur wrong it unquestionably comes across as salty

it doesnt help that ur only responses to people were calling them dumb, saying theyre wrong without reasoning and quoting ur own post and telling people to read it as if that changes the fact they thought it was a terrible suggestion that makes no sense

i do not care anymore man, u have proven ur not worth talking to, and theres no need to talk to u anyway bcos ur suggestion is so bad that it will never be implemented, cope and seethe every time a medic player is 5m away from u and doesnt revive u for the rest of the time ur playing this game

[sour arrow]

Just close this thread dude. Medics are good, just like how assault and engineer can be ,they both have light armour , ranger armour , heavy armour and medium armour. They also have smgs so there isnt a point to remove smgs and selfish medics are usually out in the open or under fire so they wont go for your body since its not worth the risk , also if a medic runs past you dont hold space, ive had numerous occasions where other medics revive me when the threat is neutralised. i am also aware of the medics that dont heal you when they are literally on top of you , however a nerf to medic wont stop this problem, just result in less or no medics meaning more selfish people in general. No point, just close the thread already im tired of people throwing insults at each other.

[knotty osprey]

everyone that comes out of this thread says the exact same thing

it's 300 x 1 and blud still thinks he's the one in the right

i agree with gamezmaster here (like everyone else)

[tight flame]

Like ive stated here many times, this will nerf medic offensive capabilities, not the Medic class it self.

Medic is perfectly playble with Assault rifles and normal armor. Try to use smokes more, its a game changer.

[obtuse grove]

Surely you can't see the glaring issue with this argument, especially after it has been pointed out so many times?
Nerfing a major component to a class IS a nerf to the class itself.

Removing specialisation from a class is a nerf. It doesn't matter how you spin it.

[tight flame]

Medic specialisation is defensive by nature, which medic as a class already posses.

Offensive specialisation is reserved for Assault class that already exist, plus less aggressive classes like engi and support.

As it currently stands medic offensive capabilites are on the same level as assault, which is hurting overall class balance of the game, not mention issue decribed by me in this post

[tight flame]

its not a class nerf, its a class balance

[full obsidian]

Assault has stats boost tho

[tight flame]

it does not nerfing medic as a support, it nerfs medic as an offensive class

[tight flame]

whic does not matter, as i explain earlier

[obtuse grove]

...is it? Since when?

[obtuse grove]

literally all your things are nerfs

[tight flame]

since the gaming history

[tight flame]

offensive nerfs

[full obsidian]

bro all the chat up there, is just not on topic

[obtuse grove]

key word "nerfs"

[tight flame]

key word "not assault class"

[full obsidian]

How much should I scroll until I get to the discussion ?

[tight flame]

yeah, sorry

[obtuse grove]

not being assault class does not imply the class should be bad. This link doesn't really work.

[tight flame]

#1181199399104303124 message here

[tight flame]

im done with yo. you sound like a broken record

[full obsidian]

Ok

[tight flame]

about reload

you always fast reload and pickup magazine

[full obsidian]

it does depend on the gun you play. But any SMG, has already fast ADS/Draw speed/Reload so yeah

[full obsidian]

it's a fun tech

but Idk if it's balanced

[tight flame]

its not

[obtuse grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929846728176320566/1181974824508198912/attachment.gif?ex=658302d6&is=65708dd6&hm=0f60ba6da3a51adf5c96f1f693ce9425d906f7adc218afb5357ba6295cfbc6a2&=&width=739&height=993

[tight flame]

look at this looser. he made a gif just for me. wow

im honered, really xd

[full obsidian]

I don't know I have him blocked

Ain't wasting my time.

[tight flame]

i enjoy wasting stupid people time and making them salty

what can i say

[obtuse grove]

maybe 15 seconds of work

[full obsidian]

But doesn't healing with bandages is nearly as fast as Medic selfheal?

[tight flame]

yes, oki is stupid

[obtuse grove]

you have to switch items for medkit after stopping bleeding so yeah, think it might even be faster without considering overkill

[full obsidian]

There's one suggestion to add bandages ressuply be only the mechanic of medic

if you get rid of bandages on ammo box and small ammo box, it'd make medic better in this case.

[tight flame]

people die before they run out of bandages

[tight flame]

this will only affect top players

[full obsidian]

Well yeah, beginner player will die without using more than two bandages 💀

[tight flame]

exactly

[obtuse grove]

If they are a medic or have ammo kits then yeah, but other than that it's not an uncommon thing

[full obsidian]

Hmm

Removing C4 is obvious af. But idk about the other changes

[tight flame]

not all of them

as stated there: all or some

combination of

all of them would be to harsh, but ok in my book

thats why i stated all or combination of

[full obsidian]

the suggestion from the other thread to have the instant revive gadget sounds good

[tight flame]

overall game needs to slow down, otherwise this will negativly impact the game

game is already way too fast for a battlefield game

[full obsidian]

well that always depend on the "vision"

[tight flame]

like, having 4 insta rivev gadged will do

[tight flame]

but not like in battlefield games

[tight flame]

instead of a healbox

5 insta revives with full health

[modest sapphire]

Agree and Disagree, yeah it's very strong in the 100m to 1400m range, but is really weak if you're close to your enemies

[tight flame]

skill isue mostly, like in every other game

if you master sniper, he becomes very strong mid-close range

espeicaly with huge heads in bbr

[tight flame]

he is weakest in most hands, strongest class in few

thats just the design of the Sniper class in general

thats why he is so weak for most player, so good players wouldnt be so op

[modest sapphire]

Men in the 10m - 100m you can be killed by everyone, other snipers, rushing medics/assaults, supports (if they equipped the M249 or Ultimax, and Dmr snipers/assault)

[full obsidian]

Sniper is offtopic

[tight flame]

10-15 yes, you are cake

but 20-50 i takes one shot to kill someone

with a huge head hitbox its rather easy

its all depends on the ads reaction time

[full obsidian]

What if

you could overheal allies? (not yourself)

[tight flame]

true Xdddd

[tight flame]

thats too gimicky

[modest sapphire]

I say because I like killing snipers, it's easy to avoid their sight because of tunnel vision

[tight flame]

this is not tf2 xdddd

[full obsidian]

but you want Medic to be unique no?

[worn parcel]

make an ubercharge…

[tight flame]

its a military shooter ...

[versed sierra]

✅

[full obsidian]

I don't mean like temp HP. I mean like a Heal dot for next time you get hit. But then it might make people rage, like it's armor.

[worn parcel]

we have insta revive injections

[modest sapphire]

Medic and assault can be very fast

[inner wigeon]

I disagree with most of the post. None of this would make Medics revive more often or heal you more often.

The problem is rather that Medic is the only clear choice for infantry combat, because Assault is very similar but without the ability to heal like a Medic. Many games, like the Battlefield series, fuse together Assault and Medic, which is what I would do even here.

If Medic has to stay as a separate entity, then yes I'd remove C4 and mines, and add utility options in their place, as those should be the tools that Assault, Engineer and Support should have for their roles, not Medic.

But why remove guns? SMGs are the category for CQB, which a medic will find themselves in plenty of times if they have to pick people up. Similarly, movement speed can be critical, and it also makes no sense to reduce self heal, as a Medic should also survive to heal others.

[tight flame]

adrenaline

[full obsidian]

adrenaline/drugs/etc

[tight flame]

but health buff like an overheal is too much

[worn parcel]

bro adrenaline doesnt fix bullet in heart syndrome

[tight flame]

armor exist exaclty for that

[tight flame]

i wish there was a fps with such precise hitboxes

[modest sapphire]

They buffed the other classes because the Medic was the main meta

[tight flame]

by your logic, headshoted people should not be reviveble

[full obsidian]

What if reviving with medic, would also refill bandages on the person revived?

[tight flame]

would be cool if implemented

[tight flame]

most people die before they used all of their bandages

[worn parcel]

my point is there are already unrealistic mechanics overheal would be fine

[tight flame]

armor is the "overheal" mechaninc adapted to realism

[worn parcel]

can you refill armor

[tight flame]

what you suggesting is a engi/support changes, that could allow them to repair armor (overheal)

armor is basicaly healh in bbr if you did not know

[full obsidian]

Maybe reviving people to full HP ain't that bad of an idea 🤔

[tight flame]

its litteraly overheal mechaninc you are speaking of

[obtuse grove]

I don't like the idea but it could work tbh

[tight flame]

wiht the limited amount of revives ofc

[obtuse grove]

people don't revive a lot because they think that person's just gonna get themselves killed again anyway

[full obsidian]

limited?

[tight flame]

would be too op for bbr ultra fast combat

[tight flame]

would force you to work with support to restock

more team play

better

[modest sapphire]

Reviving a person makes you a very easy target, the bandage is audible, and you are disarmed

Many times I got killed because when I try revive my teammates I got rushed by other person and nobody covers the medics when they're reviving people

[full obsidian]

you can always smoke tho

or build

[obtuse grove]

in a CQC environment that's unlikely to do much

still a bigger risk than... not reviving

for little reward since most players are noobs

in most games playing to support your team relies on you benefitting tangibly, which happens by itself with a small group of people, but not with 127 of them

[modest sapphire]

When your enemy is literally 5m around you, smoke are useless

[tight flame]

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[modest sapphire]

Which is the 90% on the time

[heady yew]

And if that person happens to be from your squad, ironically, it makes even less sense to revive them since you can just stay on the move and have them respawn on you with full armor/supplies/etc.

[modest sapphire]

Yeah, the squad respawn mechanic are very OP

You can hide and literally give birth an entire squad

[tight flame]

yeah, needs to be nered or reworked

[full obsidian]

not with the new smoke tho

[modest sapphire]

Maybe

[heady yew]

We shall see how well it works, tbh it's probably still possible to guess where the enemy is and blindly shoot until you get hitmarkers

[modest sapphire]

I think the squad leader class can be the only capable of respawn in their teammates and he is the only person capable of respawning their squad

[full obsidian]

can always throw C4/impact nade

[obtuse grove]

cue the squad leader being afk the whole game or a long range sniper on some island

[modest sapphire]

And I miss the cowboy style hat of the leader class

Yeah but if you manage to kill him the scuad needs to rethink their strat

[obtuse grove]

only requires a sightline on them for half a second

having gameplay be dependant around securing someone's survival in a game where death is so fast and cheap doesn't really work

[modest sapphire]

Yeah that why I say the leader can respawn in anyone in their squad

[tight flame]

I will make a thread about this xddd

[obtuse grove]

fair, I misread that as saying they can respawn anyone, as in they can spawn on the SL

[modest sapphire]

Bring back the cowboy hat of the leader class 😦

[tight flame]

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