sniper nerf

[tulip cipher]

ok i DONT want sniper rifles to do 30 damage but a good solution is to make mil dots actually useful and maybe zeroing and range finding harder here are my suggestions

1. remove zeroing make snipers USE mil dots so sniper battles require more skill

2. make zeroing not show what its zeroed for like instead of showing 100 200 etc remove that so you have to count and to help this nerf add different zeroing thresholds for different scopes.

3. add wind past 200 - 300 m this would really help make sniper combat harder as wind would affect snipers a lot so 1km sniping isnt as easy as point and click but cqc combat would be unaffected so people that are in firefights dont have that much wind affecting the bullet trajectory

in conclusion, snipers need a nerf and i think this is the best options without reducing velocity or damage and would make combat actually not about point and click for snipers and would encourage them to actually recon and help out their team more

what are your thoughts?

[slate tartan]

stupid, move on.

[obtuse tulip]

this just makes them borderline impossible to use, no?

[tulip cipher]

not impossible im only suggesting one of the 3

because i hate sniper point and click gameplay

and btw mil dots with actual ranges specified plus a rangefinder isnt like impossible to hit something you just have to aim higher :/

[rare basin]

No 😂

[obtuse tulip]

loll from being a sniper or getting sniped at?

[tulip cipher]

both

its boring

[obtuse tulip]

then don’t snipe lol

[tulip cipher]

i play assault as well

in my opinion sniping requires 0 skill and wont help your team mates and it does still need some nerfing

[scarlet orchid]

Bruh, this suggestion is batshit insane. I don't like snipers and how measly they contribute to the team's victory but this is just ridiculous. May your woes be many and courtesans few.

[obtuse tulip]

damn that roast hit like a truck😂😂

[obtuse tulip]

if it didn’t require any skill, everyone would play it, no? but majority of players still participate in cqc for a reason

[tulip cipher]

ur kinda right this suggestion is kinda stupid, i just hate snipers lol

[full tendon]

no

legitimate skill issue

use smokes

[dark fjord]

Making mildots actually showing distance would require making unique reticle for every scope for every gun and every gun with attachements that change velocity

[royal mortar]

milsim mode when
a longstanding problem is people are divided and want two stuff: arcade and milsim
many of the proposed features should find their easy way into the milsim mode, if milsim is ever going to be released

[full tendon]

entirely different topic, with i'm pretty sure its own thread.

[royal mortar]

I mean, including this suggestion

I vote ❌ for this suggestion to go into BBR as what it is as of now
but ✅ if it is in milsim mode

and points out the OP is not thinking in the right direction: currently BBR intends to be fun. Getting things more real to nerf something is not the way of thinking
IMO at least

[alpine ferry]

sniper class was already weak enough before the medium scope glint update, there is no need to make it even weaker

[tulip cipher]

frags are better in firefights and i always use frags

[full tendon]

to block sightlines from the sniper, smartie LOL

[tulip cipher]

no im just saying i bring frags because i go to firefights but i get sniped on the way

[mossy grail]

Based suggestion

[dark stream]

This would kill snipers my guy

I would rather have lower velocity than wind

[eternal arrow]

Back in the day using the mil dots as a ranging tool was sick and very interesting

But adding wild is a lil overkill don't you think?

[strong bloom]

Can you say what about snipers makes them need a nerf though? Do you dislike their effective range? Do you dislike the onetap?

You can come up with other solutions to those problems without making sniping tedious like your idea for no-HUD zeroing

[crude gust]

snipers definitely do not need to be nerfed, and the game is meant to be somewhat realistic, snipers are snipers, it isn’t fortnite. And most of my kills are 500m + so not being able to zero in or have wind would completely ruin the class and remove a core feature in games like this

[patent hull]

Before I knew about zeroing and stuff I tried to use scope for zeroing. That’s not that hard. However, you won’t stop complaining. Snipers only look op because all other damage drops flat after 200. RN all scopes have glint, Idk why you can’t stop wining

Next time you get killed by a sniper, ask yourself: do I move enough? Do I use cover and smokes enough?

[strong bloom]

The answer to that is 90% of the time no for sniper complainers

Bro expects to cross an open field harm free

[patent hull]

Most of my sniper kills: some shitter trying to pick while sitting behind some stone in the middle of nowhere.

[strong bloom]

Or people just peeking out of windows or doors

And besides idk why people complain about the onetap that much, like honestly it's not like other gun TTKs are that much slower, an AR will quad headshot you to next life about just as fast

[patent hull]

Nah, they no peeking. They often just stay whole 3-5 seconds staring

[strong bloom]

I'm just saying when I die to snipers I don't feel like the gun is stupid I feel like I'm stupid more than anything

[crude gust]

fr, if i get sniped its usually my fault for being completely in the open or standing next to a giant openeing to a sniper camp

When i snipe, bout 80% of my kills are prople ontop of roofs kr other snipers

[strong bloom]

Mine are mostly window peekers

[crude gust]

the other 20% is pretty much just people running out in the open and just randoms

[strong bloom]

I would even say running around on its own already greatly decreases the odds of you getting shot at

[crude gust]

Fr

[strong bloom]

Purely because snipers are gonna want to go for more stationary targets

if they can*

[crude gust]

Yeah, i usualy just stay out of the scope view and just try to spot sniper glint or just where a bunch of enmies are attacking

[burnt nimbus]

Sniper is fine, it just needs so you can only have 2 per squad

They are absolutely useless to the team, do nothing but sit back 1 km alway missing every shot

[strong bloom]

And how is that a good change for the game?

[strong bloom]

Idk killing people is pretty useful to the team

[burnt nimbus]

Because I'm tired of losing games because my team has more snipers than the other

its only useful when you kill people at points

[strong bloom]

Then it sounds like snipers need a buff

[burnt nimbus]

No, they just need range nerfs so they actually contribute to the team

[strong bloom]

Then give snipers additional points for killing enemies on points, that sounds like a better change no?

add a "Long-range support" xp bonus or something idk

[burnt nimbus]

Nah, they are still useless

I don't agree with the nerfs to the class, just how many of them are per game

[patent hull]

Most of objectives are enclosed enough to make snipers ineffective. However good sniper can stop push or ruin the defense single-handedly in a right position

[foggy marlin]

If some snipers should have some nerf : M200, the wind idea is really bad, game is already super clunky in physics, netcode is not perfect.
I want to keep the zeroing ON but just nerf the velocity to 1100m/s MAX on SR (M200), like this on higher range you'll have to goes higher with your scope and atm use it. I don't even know if all scopes are now well made to use them with the mark.

SRs in general don't need nerf, I think SV98, r700, MSR etc are fine, but L96 starts to be a little too easy and as many said M200 is just pure point and click 0 brain hitscan, so maybe at some point it'll get nerf or maybe all SR will have a rebalance to make most of them useful by designing categories :

• Long range SR with slow ADS, slow movement, big velocity and dmg
• Medium SR with medium ADS, movement
• Close SR with faster ADS, faster movement, lower reload time, lower velocity

Obviously it's just an idea.

[patent hull]

They won’t lol. You can’t have a weapon with 1 second cycling time which also viable at short range (unless it’s a shogun)

[strong bloom]

Again, it just sounds to me like Recon is missing a gadget more than it needs a limit

[patent hull]

Snipers just super awkward to play short range because sidearms are trash

[strong bloom]

glock is alright but i see your point

[patent hull]

Recons now have FAL. At least a decent option

[dark stream]

This could be a good reason for snipers playing closer: #1178867564940644382 message

[foggy marlin]

"sidearms are trash"?

no recoil, 19mag, 0.273ttk body, 0.218ttk headshoot G18

[burnt nimbus]

glock is pretty much a smg

[patent hull]

Yep. They are. All trash except Glock which just a trashed version of vector

[foggy marlin]

I can understand if you told me : I'm noob, I don't like handguns, but saying G18 is trash you are topkek

[burnt nimbus]

Desert eagle and unica are very strong

[strong bloom]

Only nerf M200 needs is a velocity nerf. Literally nothing else. I've seen other games "balance" snipers by making the more long range effective ones have less ammo per mag and longer reload times. I think the comparison between M200 and L96 illustrates best what I mean.

[foggy marlin]

It's not, RSH is very good if you know how to use it too, and USP have decent ttk for a sidegun, exactly like on all others BF games

[dark stream]

Nerfing just the m200 won't really fix the problem

[restive prism]

they're a lot faster to pull out than reloading and their ttk isn't awful compared to primaries. They do the job.

[strong bloom]

Other snipers would just need their stats tweaked to give them an identity that's more than just lmao+5damageonvehicles

[strong bloom]

Refer to my other comment as well oops #1180907749719154798 message

[restive prism]

glock is nothing special compared to the others, but if you can't click the USP or the faster one at full speed then it makes sense

[foggy marlin]

a big part of it, very simple fact : because I'm pretty sure more than 50% of recon players (that unlock it) play with it daily

[dark stream]

Honestly, the entire category needs a rework to be useful imo

[strong bloom]

i use glock because it's braindead

[dark stream]

Insane velo for piss poor damage isn't cutting it rn

[strong bloom]

you're not wrong. I was mostly giving an example to work off of or make a point

[patent hull]

RH is good in comparison to every sidearm except Glock. Weapon draw time is long enough in this game that it doesn’t really matter

[foggy marlin]

I use my handguns daily when I'm killing 1-2-3 guys with my main weapon it's really strong

[patent hull]

You only chance is: you started to draw sidearm way before enemy started to shoot at you

[foggy marlin]

USP can reach same UMP ttk in headshot

Only Unica is "weak" atm

[patent hull]

Except the fact you need to click fast enough

[foggy marlin]

Fast enough?

It's not MP443

[strong bloom]

I really don't see why sidearms can't be made a little closer to primaries in viability, while still keeping them more close range oriented but that's a topic for another thread I think

[foggy marlin]

Side arms are good, game is just too easy on some other weapons so yeah

skillcap

[patent hull]

I don’t really understand why can’t we have more sidearm magazines

[foggy marlin]

On what gun?

Be specific

[strong bloom]

I meant if some guy wants to be a pistol main, fuck it just let him

[patent hull]

Glock mags are empty in a blink

[foggy marlin]

Aaaaaah yes

Now we're talking

Dude using the most meta handguns : dude it's too weak go buff

[strong bloom]

Glock is in a good spot though no?

[patent hull]

I don’t really like Glock tho. I like DEagle. But it’s unusable

[foggy marlin]

In all BF-game or looking like side arm are weaker

[patent hull]

Fkn hell that recoil animation

[burnt nimbus]

Side arms not being an assault or smg is not what makes snipers play ranged

They just like playing that way

[foggy marlin]

It's 1shot headshot close range

[patent hull]

For me personally: that’s the reason I don’t ever go to the point to contest if I have a sniper rifle

Zero chance

[foggy marlin]

It's the strongest one with RSH and USP imo, which are in really good place (G18 is imo too strong atm)

[strong bloom]

Glock is fine tbh, I see it as the as-val of pistols. You magdump for easy profit but then you're stuck with a reload

Maybe a small tweak

[foggy marlin]

You can kill 2 to 3 guys with a single mag it's not normal

[strong bloom]

yeah that's fair

[foggy marlin]

it's a side arm not a main weapon

[patent hull]

You can kill 5 guys with RSH if you good. Need a nerf?

[foggy marlin]

try to headshot 2-3 guys in the same window

[strong bloom]

Yeah the issue with the glock is also how fast it evaporates those 3 people

[patent hull]

You can kill 20 ppl with one extended mag of SSG. Need a nerf!

[foggy marlin]

Ah yes, show me 🙂

[patent hull]

I mean you sound like PS2 devs. All they did is balancing around mag economy

All their weapon had nearly identical damage per mag

That creates a dull weapon design to be honest

[foggy marlin]

You're deluded and need to get a brain, show me how you kill 2-3 full headshoot RSH on the same window as a glock can kill 2-3 dudes

Come on Faker

No one is talking about the dmg dealt from a handgun

[patent hull]

RSH is way slower man. No way it kill people fast as Glock. However it can OHK unlike Glock which suffers from presence of armor. Any armor

[foggy marlin]

🙂

That's why I said Glock is stronger than any other guns rn

[patent hull]

No doubt about it. All other sidearm a just trash. Glock just doesn’t have enough mags to truly rely on it

[foggy marlin]

Kek

[dense loom]

You clearly are the snipers who stay back in base. Try quick-sniping and playing aggressive with the sniper its actually p fun if you got good at it

[foggy marlin]

You just want a main weapon as secondary and to that : no

[patent hull]

Why play sniper at distance where any Vector clown on cocain spay you down in a split second?

[restive prism]

Deagle having a bigger mag puts it above RSH to me

Since that’s kinda the main difference between them

[tawdry python]

I also play assault

If you're dying to snipers you're sitting still too much or in bad cover.

Use a DMR or deal.

[foggy marlin]

Main difference is the reloading

[patent hull]

Deagle animation is just insanely bad. It’s just feels wrong to shoot. Other than that - good stats

[restive prism]

Reload only matters if you run out of ammo in both, but even then I’d just switch to C4

Mag size is pretty directly applicable to a scenario where you need to quickly kill an unspecified number of people

[tawdry python]

Snipers who play near/on the enemy's flank >>>>>>> gremlins going for twitter clips.

[foggy marlin]

all sidearms are reloaded after 1-2 frags max

[restive prism]

How many until they’re reloaded is entirely dependant on the mag :)

Setting an arbitrary value like that doesn’t really make sense unless they were all really limited to that

[foggy marlin]

Not obviously you can reload when youre not full exactly like main weapon 🙂

[restive prism]

If you’re in a situation where you can reload you wouldn’t be using your sidearm to begin with.

You’d reload the main gun

Because it’s better

[willow valve]

I support this

[tawdry python]

Pretty much yeah, if I know I cant reload before someone swings me they're getting shrek deagle'd

But if I can mag drop I'm swinging

[foggy marlin]

And again, no, sidearms should reload faster and that's why in every BF games you can reload your handguns pretty fast

[restive prism]

If you’re in a situation where you are able to reload you have either won the fight or ran

[foggy marlin]

exactly how it's also used IRL in emergency situation

[restive prism]

In the first case there would be no reason to prioritise sidearm and in the second you probably have time to reload the primary

But secondary reloads aren’t super fast in this game to begin with

I don’t think I’ve ever reloaded my sidearm in an active fight just because there just aren’t times when it makes sense

[dense loom]

You dont go completely short range lmao

[restive prism]

(Aside from playing CQC deagle recon ‘cause it’s actually better than the primary then)

[foggy marlin]

No a fight can actually get longer if enemies come 1 by 1 without giving you a break

[dense loom]

My man 👍

[restive prism]

If you don’t get a break you can’t reload

[foggy marlin]

Greenwizard said guns are bad, so boosting the reloading could be an idea

[foggy marlin]

You can if the reload is faster, that's my point

[restive prism]

Or just switch to C4

[dense loom]

^^

[foggy marlin]

Truely clown moment

Solar moment*

[restive prism]

And then after that you’re switching back either way, so may as well do primary

[dense loom]

You have 2 secondary weapons for cqc realistically, side arm and c4

[tulip cipher]

hey sorry for not responding but all i want is for base snipers to actually have to adjust their aim so that sniper battles can be more interesting but from all the responses i know that this isnt the best idea lol

[foggy marlin]

it's normal to have a primary with a long reload not to have a handgun that take 4s to reload

[restive prism]

Long equates to like 2 seconds with mag drop, which is pretty short really

[dense loom]

B25urk got a buff on snipers too didn’t it? No control cost for better reload

[restive prism]

Unless you’re using an LMG but then, you probably didn’t need to reload anyway

[foggy marlin]

the drop reload depends on each gun

[restive prism]

I am aware

It’s just usually about half or something

Feels like that at least. I haven’t timed it

[foggy marlin]

and here I'm talking about sideguns being buffed exactly how GreenWizard talk

but they don't have to be buff in ttk because they don't need to be as efficient as primary

[dense loom]

Yeah that’s what I meant by being aggressive as a sniper, playing more risky to find flanks and surgically kill people holding a position before they know what is happening due to the fact that a long suppressor sniper basically can 1 shot stealthily

Or you can go the gremlin route sometimes and quickscope for fun

[foggy marlin]

We need a sniper rifle rework

To have those categories

[tulip cipher]

i didnt really realise i can do that, and i didnt explore that many playstyles and only thought that you could hide in bases and snipe my suggestions are kinda shit so i should close this thread as its already done tbh

[dense loom]

The fact that you only need 1 shot to kill as a sniper makes it one of the best stealth weapons. So not using a supressor on it is such a huge waste of its effectiveness

[dense loom]

That’s cool, as long as you understand you didn’t know other playstyles and admit mistake n learn its fine

[tulip cipher]

aight imma close this thread now

[dense loom]

Have a good one

[patent hull]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1180974618215989298

[burnt nimbus]

There is nothing wrong with pistols