RPK16 - Feedback

[cosmic field]

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

• No gifs
• No 'skill issue'

[kind harness]

If we look a clear gun without a customisation its terrible cause of a big flame and sight made of sticks. DMG is also not the best maybe +1-2 to make it more playable

UPD: This sound is beautiful and in some way imbalanced gun cause of this zero recoil)

[valid lake]

love the literal sound of it so far. Still leveling it up, but I do enjoy it.

Wish the Drum mag didn't increase the recoil so much though. Specially for only a 60rd drum.

[long charm]

perfect

[fading cypress]

It's an AK74 with a bigger mag, pretty much

(only major distinguishing thing between them, stats wise)

would be a little bit OP were it not designated to support

[raw tulip]

Does it have a quick mag?

[fading cypress]

good point, it does not

worse in reload time then.

[raw tulip]

Thats kinda bad

Not to mention extended in general is detrimental to use

I guess this weapon is decent?

Gotta try it out once i am done with work

But the reload and the lack of a quick mag hurts though

[fading cypress]

Bipod doesn't work well at all on this gun

It is really hard to get it to deploy

[raw tulip]

Is it somehow different for each gun

[fading cypress]

well, it isn't attached to the same place on all of them because they aren't all the same size

[raw tulip]

Well crap it might be a hitbox issue

Though gladly i dont think i will use bipods

Like ever really

Murderholes and bipods mix and oil and water

[fading cypress]

Bipods are good

ultimax bipod is brilliant

lowest recoil you can get in the game just makes you a laser

but if it can't reliably deploy it isn't a useful option

[scarlet sinew]

It's really fun

Bipods are good. I just wish they were less clunky to use.

[merry lintel]

Currently the RPK feels like an assault rifle so here are my suggestions/feedback for making it the LMG its suppose to be:

• the ingame model uses the short barrel (AR) version instead of the long barrel (LMG) version for the gun, making it worse for medium ranges. i suggest giving it a longer barrel as it has by default irl and make the dmg drop off be put in the same category as the AUG, Scar, AK-15 etc.
• the other issue is the drum mag, its way too small. the default gun irl uses a 95 round drum mag. why does it only have 60 rounds ingame? its an LMG, the other LMGs have 100 rounds, the RPK has 95 irl so give it 95 ingame too. its logical and consistent.

all in all the current ingame RPK-16 is an AK-74 with 60 rounds and worse recoil, so just another AR... if above mentioned changes are made it would be more distinct and have its own place in the game and compared to the other LMGs. i think that when u finally give us a new LMG at least give us an actual LMG stat wise too.

[fading cypress]

It’s an LSW, not an LMG. Having 100 rounds would honestly just make it a better M249

[merry lintel]

it is actually a LMG not LSW irl and ingame its categorized as a LMG so ur just wrong. it also does have a 95 round drum mag by default IRL as i wrote. also it would have worse recoil stats than the m249 so nah they are different.

[fading cypress]

Huh, did not notice that

It has better recoil than the M249 though.

It beats it in ttk, reload, aimdown, move speed and recoil, m249 relies on bigger mag to compete

(So it’d need a nerf in other areas to bring mag size up)

[lost iris]

needs less draw backs for drum mag
it's an LMG or whatever the hell they call it after all :/

[merry lintel]

firstly a correction, LSW isnt a cateogory ingame. and they did put it in the LSG category instead of the LMG one even tho irl as i said its categorized as a LMG.
having said that.
M249:
V, 1.10 H, 1.30, reload 6.67, aimdown 0.30, mov 0.93.

RPK-16 (with drum mag cuz duh):
V, 1.60 H, 1.11, reload 5.33, aimdown 0.30, mov 0.74.

as u can see m249 has better recoil and much better run speed (even tho its way bigger). they are different and giving the RPK a 95 drum mag would not make the m249 obsolete.

[golden escarp]

Should be balancing drum mag size for the game not irl?

[lost iris]

🤓 errm acshually

[merry lintel]

as ive tried to point out, giving it 95 rounds wouldnt break it at all. it has the worst spray and pray between all LMGs.

[merry lintel]

if u dont have anything constructive to say kindly go away

[fading cypress]

I was referring to base recoil since you said 95 by default

[lost iris]

why? because u said so?
i'm here to give feedback on RPK not some random internet tell me "Acshually errmmm 🤓 it's acshually"

[fading cypress]

The attachments don’t have as big an impact on movespeed as the stats page states though

[merry lintel]

its 95 by default irl, 45 by default ingame

[fading cypress]

(20%)

[merry lintel]

okay, the recoil difference is still big enough to make them different. there are plenty of other guns with similar stats but different recoil. so why cant the RPK be allowed so too?

[fading cypress]

I’m not really sure what you mean by that.

Any guns that are the same other than recoil just means there needs to be a bit of rebalancing

[merry lintel]

mayhaps but there are plenty of them in the game rn. so im saying just cuz they would have similar amount of rounds in the mag that doesnt invalidate one of the guns existence

plus the m249 and RPK are pretty different stat wise as we saw earlier, the only thing they would have similarly would be the mag size. but then u could argue that the ultimax is useless too, which its not.

[fading cypress]

I was not saying it would be useless because of the same mag size. I was saying it would be if it lost the advantage that it had such that it was just worse, since I misinterpreted your message as implying the gun should have 95 rounds by default

[lost iris]

should give m249 slower running speed with 200 round mag

[merry lintel]

ah right, sorry for writing my suggestion poorly then. what i meant was have the RPK have 45 default mag size, but give the drum mag 95 rounds as it has IRL.

[merry lintel]

oh id love that

if the suggestions i gave goes through then for the 3 LMGs ingame we would have:

• Ultimax, slower fire laser with no recoil but lowest dmg.
• m249, middleground good fire rate and dmg with worse recoil than ultimax.
• RPK-16, highest dmg (among the 3 LMGs) and good fire rate, slightly better dmg dropoff but worst recoil.
  they would all have their own styles that ppl would lean towards making all guns viable and preferrable for different people.

[lost iris]

l86 and mg36 :C

[merry lintel]

they arnt LMGs tho. but they have their own places and fans too so once again i dont think it would interfere with their usage:

• L86A1 has same dmg as RPK but fires way faster and has much lower recoil.
• MG36 has the highest dmg (making it the only LMG/LSG with 3 bullet kills) but thus has high recoil and slower fire rate.
  as u can see all support guns would have their own niche even if the RPK gets the earlier mentioned buffs.

[golden escarp]

I actually really like this. Gives the m249 and ultimaxx distinct roles and playstyles

Sorta soft locks the m249 to the bipod tho lol

[fading cypress]

when are you ever gonna benefit from 200 rounds

well, enough to warrant slower running

[merry lintel]

bigger mag > movement speed, any day for me ^^

[lost iris]

u wont need to reload :D

[golden escarp]

When youre holding a point

[merry lintel]

exactly, that extra 100 rounds is gonna help so much when i need to spray down 10 more ppl coming my way :3

[lost iris]

uwu tbh

[golden escarp]

Holding a building/point with m249 is already pretty strong, but imagine being able to kill twice as many people

[merry lintel]

haha yeah, but this chat is for the RPK not m249. so lets try and stay on topic ^^

[golden escarp]

A long reload time (any reload) forces you to lose any angle/position advantage, and the m249 effectively counters that disadvantage by two for the cost of being like a sentry

Oops my bad

Ur right tho this is abt rpk

[patent verge]

Drum mag is ass, but no surprise there

[raw tulip]

Yeah i wish extended/drum are worthwhile options

[patent verge]

Gun feels solid overall as a mobile high capacity weapon with good anti armor

It does take the M249s role right now though

[raw tulip]

Well it does have less horizontal with drum

Or i can make do with 45 rounds

If drum doesnt make the recoil worse then it would prob be a good side grade to the m249

[merry lintel]

already had that convo/comparison further up in chat

[patent verge]

to be seen with whatever mag rework we get ig

[raw tulip]

Hope we dont see quick mag 24/7 all the time

[patent verge]

ya

[raw tulip]

The only time extended is good is on low recoil weapons or the FAL

[patent verge]

maybe next gun we get is something a bit more flashy like MG3 or M60

something high recoil, high threat

[raw tulip]

Shotgun but also not shotgun

M60 could be a steam chugging machine version of the mg36

Maybe a lower fire rate like 550 rpm

For more mag size and less recoil

[merry lintel]

can we keep it relevant to the RPK? there is another feedback thread for support guns.

[raw tulip]

Ok uhhh rpk feels ehh stat wise

Definetly on the why bother when ak74 exists

But since support doesnt have ARs

L86 kills faster but has less mag size but has access to quick mags

Yeah...

[merry lintel]

again we already wrote about the comparisons further up in the chat.

[scenic swift]

want to play with it a bit more until having the assumption

otherwise im certain it is solid

[raw tulip]

I am more excited for the l86 change

[scenic swift]

prob a small nerf down the line

[scenic swift]

still gonna try that

mg36 aswell

[raw tulip]

Though rpk is prob atleast decent

[merry lintel]

yea rpk is in an ok state, do need some changes imo

[raw tulip]

Though rpk lack of quick mags hurts

[scenic swift]

you are supposed to be holding points with it i assume

[raw tulip]

No to mention its drum just sucking

[scenic swift]

so no quick mag for that matter

[raw tulip]

Then make the drum not suck

[scenic swift]

also on exo armour even looks good aswell

just 5 mags and you can keep holding a point

was expecting somehow to run out alot(happens)

[patent verge]

better ROF and mag size is not the end of the world

[scenic swift]

also that we dont have an ak74 to use

so not that of a deal tbh

[raw tulip]

I mean i kinda wish drum isnt so bad

If the rpk was meant as a more defensive version of the L86

[scenic swift]

we all wish ngl

hope it comes soon

[merry lintel]

my suggestions, what do u ppl think?

[raw tulip]

It would fit well since Drum would prob makes it handling similar to proper LMGs

[patent verge]

Drum mag is the only fix it really needs

base gun itself plays fine

[raw tulip]

I think if its going to have less recoil, 95 rounds might run the risk of invalidating the m249

[scenic swift]

yup

[merry lintel]

then dont give it better recoil?

[scenic swift]

lsws are basically a mix of ars and lmgs in game, that you can go to both sides but dont have something better than the other

[merry lintel]

changing drum to 95 would be the nr1 change imo

[scenic swift]

with i am fine with it

[patent verge]

paired with making drum mags not tank your stats into the void

[raw tulip]

Like yeah but also kind of reinforces that extended sucks in general because alot of weapons with extended sucks because it increases recoil

[patent verge]

it's just bipod again

[scenic swift]

i think 60 is fine

[raw tulip]

Rpk drum is a bit of an exception because it stuck in a funny place

[scenic swift]

maybe 70 or 65 but 90 sounds a bit too much i think

[patent verge]

nah

95 works

you don't benefit that much from extra ammo anyways

[merry lintel]

yes i agree with both of u sas1M and diego, but what i meant is if we only get ONE change i want the 95 drum above any other change. so for example if 95 drum with better recoil is too much to ask cuz they think it would be too strong, then id still take just a mag increase to 95 drum

[merry lintel]

i very much disagree

[scenic swift]

if we somehow have exo be actually good, it does because you have less mags but it kinda still goes on that front

[raw tulip]

Like we know a magazine rework is on the horizon

Probably

[scenic swift]

but outside of that if you have heavy armour it wont be that much of a issue

[golden escarp]

Yeah just feel likes another AR :/

[raw tulip]

So we kinda have to keep extended and drum consistent

[merry lintel]

ye mag rework is on the timeline somewhere, but the RPK just came out. its common for new weapons to get some rapid stat changes the next patch

[patent verge]

95 round mag from mag rework should help it feel like a diff gun

first that needs to come out tho

[merry lintel]

we shouldnt have to wait for the mag rework which can be over a month + from being a reality. they can easily change the mag from 60 to 95 today, its a small adjustment on their side.

[old willow]

good, more aggressive dakka dakka
could use the mag rework and velocity buff tho but otherwise it's cool

[raw tulip]

600 velocity feels bad man

[old willow]

oh suprise suprise, old lmgs and lsws

._.

[merry lintel]

yup :< make it at least 660 or some such. like it seems very odd that the RPK has 600 velocity when all the other support guns had their velocity buffed to between 680 and 700. like wtf now its the only support gun with the "old" velocity statline. thats very very odd

[raw tulip]

Yeah i had the pain of using the l86 for 3 weeks straight

Weekly challenges go brr

For LSW, drum should prob nuke handling to the levels of LMGs

This should apply for the rpk too

[merry lintel]

the stat nerf on the RPK drum is already severe enough imo

[raw tulip]

Yeah but its to keep things consistent

Drum on l86 somehow makes you slower than the m249

Which makes zero sense

[merry lintel]

i dont understand that argument? none of the mag variants are consistent ingame right now. so id say let the mag stat balance come with the mag rework, but give the RPK its 95 drum mag size right now, it is the size of the drum mag IRL too. it makes no sense to keep it 60 rounds.

[raw tulip]

By handling nerfs i meant like movement speed nerf to 0.95 and ads speed to 0.3

[merry lintel]

ah right

[raw tulip]

And i am trying fit in your 95 rounds change for the rpk

So it turns into a proper LMG

With LMG like stats

[merry lintel]

mhm

[raw tulip]

Unless the gun had other properties that makes it surpass the LMGs

Like the l86 extra 75 rpm compared to the m249

Its handling should stay mostly the same to LMGs

[merry lintel]

yup, i already stated my opinions on each support guns niche up here ^

[raw tulip]

Though i should try out l86 drum again

Half of its downsides are effectively mitigated

[merry lintel]

mayhaps so, it shoots too fast for me to be comfy with the drum on the l86A1 ^^

[raw tulip]

Atleast it only kicks like a mule

Not kick like a mule and having horrid handling and movement speed

[merry lintel]

hehe

[raw tulip]

My last try was surprisngly good

Despite moving like i am in bombsuit

[cobalt jacinth]

RPK has a 60 round mag probably to keep it in line with the other LSWs, and to make them different to the LMGs. Yes it has 95 irl, but the MG36 has 100 irl, and the L86 only has a 30 rnder irl. 60 is fine imo, but please reduce the nerfs so I might actually consider using it. Right now most extendeds are useless because the penalties are so heavy for using them.

[floral epoch]

Something that annoys me the most about the RPK though is the muzzle device scaling. Like this:

There's a basic muzzle device on there, but it BARELY is visible over the muzzle selection.

[patent verge]

known bug

[willow forge]

100 kills in the first round...

[vague shuttle]

I think my only complaint with the RPK is that the bipod heights are rather finicky

[raw tulip]

honestly i am a bit surprised

its performing quite well

But i am expecting Drum but be really shiet though

though a velocity buff to be on par with other LMGs and LSWs,Bipods being fixed and Drum mag not being shiet anymore would be nice

[raw tulip]

if the Hbar were to come out this would prob be the middle ground between the l86 and the Hbar

[main mauve]

What one support weapon I really enjoyed (my bad internet make some weapon with much firerate kinda not very playble), it good at all, you can shot like 50-100 meters (I don't check how much meters it was) and if you didn't had bad attachments and skill issue (I kinda had last, XD), you can easily kill some snipers etc

Sad what will be nerfed (I pretty sure it will)

[knotty canopy]

I don't think so

The L86A1 performs better

The MG36 Kick asses in close quarters combat

The PKM16 is some kind of middleground between the other LSW

[main mauve]

maybe, idk

[main mauve]

rpk16*

it in fact good in clode range too

[knotty canopy]

Yep, but the L86 and Mg36 performs little better

[main mauve]

maybe, i didn't played lot on support before

[knotty canopy]

It feels like an assault rifle

[main mauve]

yes

[knotty canopy]

Y played like 47 hours of support

[main mauve]

what Y mean?

my engilish is bad

Y i meaning you?

[knotty canopy]

Do you speak Spanish?

[main mauve]

nah

english(not good) and russian

[knotty canopy]

Support is more about positioning and forgive me the redundancy, supporting your homies

[knotty canopy]

You're Russian?

[main mauve]

yes

[main mauve]

invasion go brrrr
on valley map especially

[knotty canopy]

Namak is the best map for LMGs

[main mauve]

it 200/127 snipers everywhere

[knotty canopy]

If you play with the bipods and go defensive support, you can farm good kills

[main mauve]

hmmm, namak not very popular, but it good

[knotty canopy]

Yeah I know

My Discord Name and Profile Image says where I'm from

[fading cypress]

Because it’s basically an AK74 with a bigger mag but longer reloads. I would pick it over it personally as having a 50% longer mag is pretty major

[main mauve]

kinda

but i think it more like akm or idk

also, 4 mags?

yeah, i can refill them but it takes a time

[fading cypress]

This game has no akm

[main mauve]

yeah, but i was talking what for me irl it more similar with akm(what is defenetly not in fact, but who cares anyway)

oh wait, i was thinking it 7.62x39, not 5.35.x39

okay, it more similar with ak 74 now

also, where was created only 1500 copies of ak47

so in game we maybe has 74 ak or akm

but i think it 74

[lofty hazel]

will state 2 damage makes it a 3 tap as a headsup

[lofty hazel]

it is more so a LSG than a LMG like the PKM or PKP, or even the RPD

[lofty hazel]

ingame it is with the MG36 & L86 as LSGs

[lofty hazel]

AGREED!

[lofty hazel]

bit faster fire rate, longer max damage range & such

[cosmic field]

It's in the wrong category then, it's an LMG

[lofty hazel]

interesting

[lofty hazel]

being honest it fits the LSW category a good deal, last LMG the russians had was the RPD to my knowledge & the PKP/PKM

but those I feel could be labeled as MMGs, very if you use modern definitions

[cosmic field]

I guess it could fit either

[lofty hazel]

it is like most LSWs a bigger version of a infantry rifle

in this case

a bigger heavier version of the AK platform which is made for more sustained fire to add some extra ommph to a squad with one

[cosmic field]

Yeah, I'm just going off it's actual classification

[lofty hazel]

aye I get it

being honest I tend to prefer the WW2 definitions(for lack of a better word, cleaner aka What is your role, what is your goal & crew size, as well as how portable) if given the chance

Being honest through, I am now desiring a RPD more in this game

but to the point, it can fit in either using modern definitions and quite easily at that

to yonk a example of what I mean

(the page groups LSWs & SAWs to clarify)

[raw tulip]

honestly after 150 kills it has grown on me a little

its pretty decent and does have a place in the LSW section

ofcourse mg36 can do some things better but mg36 has its own problems like inconsistency,higher recoil and an unusually slow reload

rpk16 has consistency, a kind of a fast reload for a LSW of its kind and lower recoil

in a way its the good Ol'Reliable of the LSWs section

l86 just feels too specialized due to its 30 round mag

and the mg36 can feel inconsistent and clunky at times

Rpk16 does serve as a good middle ground

and prob would be another when Hbar comes out

now lets just hope bipod get fixed, Drum isnt so shiet anymore

and a velocity buff because 600 makes zero sense

in short... the Mg36 is not really better

its a side grade because Consistency and Ease of use are really valueable traits to have for a gun

also that reload... 4 second for a 45 round mag is unusually fast for a weapon of its kind

[lofty hazel]

it is a AK, which AKs in themselves are children of the M1 garand in a sense

[lofty hazel]

Agreed & 100% on that velocity

[main mauve]

ak is children of m1 garand? what?

[merry lintel]

thats just wrong, it was inspired by the german StG 44. the M1 garand input came after the StG had already inspired them to create the AK

[main mauve]

wait, i think he was talking about ak 46

(used translator) AK-46 is, to a certain extent, a conventionally designated Kalashnikov assault rifle based on the self-loading carbine he created earlier in 1944, and presented in 1946 for participation in the competition. The design was ultimately similar to the use of American M1 Garand rifles.

from wiki

[merry lintel]

there was no ak46 per say, it was just a prototype idea among many. they instead went for the design that we now know as the ak 47.

[main mauve]

yes

also ak 47 didn't exist

if be right, 1500 copies of ak 47 was created, but after this, it was little reworked and we gor ak

so were no ak 47

were ak and akm

[scenic swift]

I think HG meant in terms of reliability

[merry lintel]

dude, that doesnt mean it didnt exist... i agree that the most produced ak weapons are prob the akm and ak74 but the ak47 was producted and in active duty. it existed

this isnt the chat to talk about this tho, this is a chatroom for the RPK 16 so lets stay on topic plz

[main mauve]

yes, but only 150 of them

[scenic swift]

Where is the picture of a somali's pirate ak 47 being close to broken, rusted with no mags and still works

[main mauve]

yeah

[lofty hazel]

the action is effectively a M1 garand upside down & sideways

[merry lintel]

it doesnt matter to this chat group. go debate it somewhere else plz

[lofty hazel]

fair enough eva

anyhow

RPK is nice

[merry lintel]

thank u, and i agree it is nice. just needs its 95 drum mag ^^

[lofty hazel]

Agreed

15 rounds for those downsides is Yuck

[merry lintel]

yea its an insult imo

[lofty hazel]

like of all things WHY do drum magazine upside tends towards little & the downsides is everything goes red mode

[merry lintel]

yea, same fate as the MG36.

[lofty hazel]

(little as in like a extra 2-15 rounds generally)

[long charm]

you are wrong, RPK-16 is another construction than RPK-74. RPK-74 was just big assault rifle, RPK-16 - not

[scenic swift]

We are expecting some buff or rework for mags

Doesnt that kinda makes the point invalid

[lofty hazel]

lobbyist we can take this in PMs

[merry lintel]

still categorized as a LMG irl, ppl have had this talk already in this chat

[scenic swift]

I mean you could basically apply it to every drum mag since thats the case

[lofty hazel]

But yea, reworking magazines would be nice

[main mauve]

прошу прощения за русский, но рпк это буквально ручной пулемёт калашникова

[scenic swift]

Basically making them a better lmg

Atleast on m249

[lofty hazel]

RPD addition at some point?

[scenic swift]

Ultimax it is hard to find a gun that works like it

[merry lintel]

well, do u want to wait for the mag rework that will prob arrive in 2 months? no i doubt so. we should have the RPK 95 drum now

[main mauve]

will be great

[merry lintel]

yes

[main mauve]

we has ak, and rpk, but svd and... nothing

also, imagine if they add shotguns

[merry lintel]

joon can we stay on topic of the RPK?

[lofty hazel]

suppose a question, what will be the downsides of the drum & extended magazines when they get reworked

which does relate to rpk

[merry lintel]

hm, what are the downsides irl?

[scenic swift]

Im fairly patient to wait
Specially that support isnt in the same stat as before prob the best its ever got

[main mauve]

yes

[main mauve]

weight for sure

[scenic swift]

Longer reload speed
Switch speed
Ads time

What kills the weapon is those recoil debuffs

[merry lintel]

idd, and they already have that ingame too. id say that is penalty enough. i think we should have neutral recoil on drum mags (cuz buffing the recoil with drum would be too OP)

[scenic swift]

Yeah

Neutral recoil is the qay to go

[merry lintel]

yup

[scenic swift]

Ngl if someone make a suggestion for magazines rework and we get a bunch of people to like i think we can get it early

Like those velocity buffs were insane fast

[main mauve]

idk how to call what on english, missfire maybe? короче, барабаны могут вызвать проблемы с подачей патронов и тд и тп

[merry lintel]

mhm, i do think someone put it in the suggestions tab already tho?

[scenic swift]

Maybe?

Didnt checked out

[main mauve]

but i don't think they add whis, because it isn't tarkov/ another millsim game

[merry lintel]

that would be a working idea.

perhaps ^^

[main mauve]

maybe they add this into millsim servers or just in configs of servers

[merry lintel]

mhm, lets hope

[main mauve]

well, how many weapons in game for now has drums?

[merry lintel]

maybe like 6-8? i have a bad memory tho

[main mauve]

idk, can check today later

[lofty hazel]

agreed

[lofty hazel]

I know MG36,vector,L86, and rpk

unsure on any others

[scenic swift]

Isnt this a problem for extended and drum mags?

Or it is just a drum problem

[sturdy fern]

VERY NICE GUN !

[merry lintel]

both extended and drum mags are horrible atm

[bold lintel]

Got it to something like 250 kills yesterday and the gun felt rather good. Its ability to reload rather fast and the general way it handles are probably the gun's best feature. I haven't calculated it out yet but its probably the second slowest killing gun support has acces to, or at least It felt like that, but its not that far behind the rest so it doesn't feels that bad. Its also probably one of the best sounding gun in the game so props for that.

As far as changes I could wish for, the muzzle flash might need a little toning down like the Sg550 did. As always the drum mag is useless and never worth using which is a shame. Other than that, its a clean and fun gun which has its a niche which is good.

[main mauve]

muzzle flashhider + bipod - no recoil even with drum( most lmg and lsg)

[merry lintel]

just tested and no just no

[main mauve]

idk when

i tested and i love it

[merry lintel]

good for u 😊 but it is very far from "no recoil" or even low recoil

[main mauve]

i know but idc, for me it enough

[patent verge]

stabil grip vamb should help with paced kills

[merry lintel]

oh i know of the good attachment combos, thx tho. i was just responding to their false claims

[golden onyx]

pleasantly suprised by this chat if the devs don't go crazy. RPK was love at first dakka for me and I thought for sure it was going to catch a swift nerf because of how great it feels.

would love a quick mag or drum buff like the others here

[raw tulip]

I think a quick mag is a bit overkill

For a 45 rounders its already quite fast compared to its alternatives

[merry lintel]

ye it doesnt need a quick mag imo

[raw tulip]

Ak74 extended reloads at 4.7 seconds

Though what it needs the most is a velocity buff,Drum buffs and bipod fixes

[merry lintel]

yup

[raw tulip]

This thing is just mega consistent and easy to use

[merry lintel]

yea, rn tho its just a glorified ak-12 AR in the support class section x3

[raw tulip]

Ak12 vs Ak12 at a secret lab

[merry lintel]

i dont get it ^^

[raw tulip]

I tried to reverse the ak 12 at home joke

[merry lintel]

aah

[brisk ruin]

I'm sure you've got them mixed up.
Logically, the RPK is a light machine gun. It has a longer barrel, which obviously should give better accuracy and killability. Some people in poor countries make RPKs like Marksman rifles. Think about it.
Surprisingly, there is no such problem with the G36.

UPD:I made one mistake. If we consider that the weapons have different caliber, then AK-15 can be more powerful, but RPK-16 should be more accurate in any case. Although their power may be equal due to the length of the RPK barrel.

[merry lintel]

what do u mean and who are u referring to?

[brisk ruin]

Look at both screenshots and you'll understand everything.
AK has more damage and accuracy, but worse control when shooting.
The RPK has better control, but worse damage and accuracy.
Although the RPK is a machine gun.

[patent verge]

compare to the AK74

that's the actually accurate comparison

which you'll see higher range and ROF for worse control

AK15 (in this game) is the wrong comparison

[merry lintel]

i think ur the one who misunderstood or is lacking in knowledge. we arnt talking about the ak-15. we are talking about the ak-12 compared to the RPK-16.
AK-12 (AR which is suppose to replace ak-74), AK-15 is based off the AK-12 and is a high caliber version. then there is the RPK-16 which is based off the AK-12 but is a successor to the original RPK.
currently ingame the RPK-16 is just a AK-12 in a trench coat ^^
hence why i all the way in the beginning of this chat suggested the RPK-16 ingame to have a longer barrel (longer dmg drop off) and the 95 round drum mag it has IRL.

[brisk ruin]

This is a channel about the RPK-16.
The RPK-16 is a derivative of the AK-16 in the game. They are based on the same model.
And it doesn't matter if there is some RPK based on AK-74 or RPK based on AKM in the game.
The RPK simply has to be better than the AKM in power and accuracy, not the other way around.

[merry lintel]

ur just wrong tho

[patent verge]

The RPK 16 is a derivative of the RPK 16, which is based on the AK 74

that's all

[brisk ruin]

No.
Longer barrel - Do sniper and Marksman rifles mean anything to you?
Why would snipers carry a long dirk when the barrel could be cut down and have increased accuracy and power?
It doesn't work that way.

[merry lintel]

the RPK-16 is based off the AK-12. the AK-15 is ALSO based off the AK-12.
the RPK-16 is NOT based off the AK-15.

[merry lintel]

dude, stop talking nonsense and search up the design logic of the RPK...

[patent verge]

"they look the same so they should play the same"
"but also they should take into account realistic barrel lengths"

pick a lane

[brisk ruin]

They are similar, but what you might call it is not quite right.

[merry lintel]

yea i dont understand permyacks logic either

[merry lintel]

permyack just read what i wrote and go fact check if u want. then come back.

[patent verge]

They're not similar, they're the same. They use the same ammo and mags

[merry lintel]

guys, stop arguing and just search up the basic info and history of these guns. its not that confusing

[brisk ruin]

Dude, I know.
I study these things one way or another.

Basic logic - You have two identical assault rifles, but one of them is modified to be a light machine gun. It has a longer, thicker (for greater survivability) barrel and a stronger receiver.

Which one do you think should be better?

[merry lintel]

u say that... but how tf did u fk up and compare the RPK-16 to the AK-15 instead of the AK-12 or AK-74 or AKM..?

[patent verge]

yes. you do have two identical assault rifles. ONe in fact is better, the RPK is better than ak 74

[brisk ruin]

The RPK-16 (or similar AK) is not a custom AK-74, if that's what you mean.
You can bang your head against the wall, but you can't just rearrange the fittings from one weapon to another

[merry lintel]

"The RPK functions identically to the AK-47. It also uses the same 7.62×39mm ammunition. It has a similar design layout to the Kalashnikov series of rifles, with modifications to increase the RPK's effective range and accuracy, enhance its sustained fire capability, and strengthen the receiver."
said modifications are longer barrel and drum mag for the most part.
now the exact same copy past thing (more or less) happened with the AK-12 and the RPK-16, Longer barrel and drum mag.
now what do we not have ingame for the RPK-16? a long barrel and a (proper) drum mag. Hence why we call the ingame RPK-16 an AK-12. do u get it?
which is the exact reason we want those two features ingame as well.

[brisk ruin]

AK-47 is not something we seriously mention in Russia. But ok, it's not a matter of principle.
The RPK (7.62) is more of a derivative of the AKM.
If you meant to say all along that these rifles are supposed to have DIFFERENT CALIBERS, even though they are almost the same model, then you should have emphasized that.

[merry lintel]

the caliber was not part of my point AT ALL. i do understand that newer AK ARs have smaller calibers

lets simplify cuz we are just running in circles atm. do u think the RPK ingame should have a longer barrel and a 95 drum mag as it does IRL?

[brisk ruin]

Well, actually, there's a 7.62 and a 5.45.
But that's not the point.
The point is that if you take a longer barrel, which we have in the game, you get a more powerful rifle, which we don't have in the game.

[merry lintel]

i get it... but im not going into the details of calibers cuz thats not the point. we havnt talked about the ak-15 at all until u came along cuz we dont see the point, its a higher caliber AK. while the ak74 and RPK16 are more of a relevant comparison.
also longer barrel does not mean higher caliber.

[brisk ruin]

The RPK16 has a longer barrel than the AK15.

[merry lintel]

why do u keep comparing it to the ak15?

[patent verge]

The RPK is a lower caliber anyways

or do you want to nerf the AK15

[brisk ruin]

Basically...Maybe the caliber doesn't even matter

[merry lintel]

like.. the RPK16 has a longer barrel IRL and ingame. so why bring it up?

[merry lintel]

wtf? why would u say that? the reason the ak15 does 40 dmg ingame is cuz it has a higher caliber. while most 5.56 and 5.45 calibers does around 25-33 dmg.
can u stop comparing them, it isnt productive at all.

its very simple: ingame the ak74 and RPK16 are very similar in a lot of ways, we suggest giving the RPK16 in order of importance;

• 95 drum mag
• more velocity (to be equal to other ARs and Support weapons)
• longer drop off range (equal to AUG etc)
• and lastly slightly smaller penalties when using the drum mag, less severe recoil increase for example
  its that simple, does anyone agree or disagree with any of these points?

[brisk ruin]

You should have been more specific about the caliber in the first place, if that's what you meant to imply.
Yes, caliber might make sense, although the length of the RPK barrel could still compensate for some things.
The 5.45 seems like it should be faster and more accurate than the 7.62, but the 7.62 itself is heavier and could do more damage.
Barrel length could increase damage and accuracy.

Instead of 95 it gives you a drum for 60. That's odd.
There is a four (if I'm not mistaken) row magazine for 60 rounds of 5.45 ammo

[merry lintel]

nowhere did i say anything about caliber before u brought it up and that was intentional. just move on

[merry lintel]

could u elaborate?

[brisk ruin]

That's worth mentioning. I probably did make a mistake when I started comparing these weapons. However, it uses an almost identical model, and the caliber is not mentioned in the game at all...

That thick boy

or that

5.45 - 60 rounds mag

[merry lintel]

i see, unfortunately they arnt ingame either. we just got a extra long mag with 45 rounds. i do think they dont have too many mag models cuz of time constraint. btw do u agree that the ingame drum mag should be 95 rounds?

[brisk ruin]

Anyway. I have no idea where the 24 round magazine and 60 round drum came from.

[merry lintel]

yea its just all made up for "balancing"

[brisk ruin]

They have a model used for the AK-15. That's weird.

[merry lintel]

oh yeah thats true but its on the horrible 40 round ext mag instead of the 45 one ><

[brisk ruin]

Well...it turns out the RPK-16 could be more accurate than the AK-15 because it has a 5.45.

[merry lintel]

and i just checked, the ak74 ext 45 mag also has the thicker version

[brisk ruin]

There's no logic to it. The 45 reloads slower than this fat THING.

[merry lintel]

yea and yet ingame the ak15 has a longer dmg drop off. btw the accuracy stat ingame doesnt do anything currently, sadly so.

[merry lintel]

yep 😮‍💨

anyways, back to gun balancing. whats ur thoughts on improvements for the RPK16?

[brisk ruin]

Idk, I'd still give it more accuracy.

[merry lintel]

right but what do u mean by accuracy? every gun shoots straight atm, so like i said the accuracy stat does nothing right now

[brisk ruin]

AK-74 by the way also uses a thick magazine, but seems to be a slightly different model. It has 45 rounds, which is also wrong.

[merry lintel]

yep

[brisk ruin]

Maybe the point is how accurately it can shoot at range? After all, the bullets are flying sideways.

Well...comparing the AK-74 to the RPK-16. More correct? Not really, but...same caliber.

[merry lintel]

i dont think they are? go to the shooting range and take any gun and try to hit a target 300+ meters away, it will be accurate regardless of the accuracy stat.

[merry lintel]

yes, ingame they are the closest comparison cuz they have almost idential RoF and same DMG

[brisk ruin]

So it should have a higher damage compared to the AK-74.
Especially if you consider the 74 to be an older AK.

[merry lintel]

right but that would break it over the 33 dmg threshold which they cannot do. that would be too strong. so the dmg cannot be higher, hence why i suggested better dmg drop off rate, so we can kill things at further distances than the standard AR

[brisk ruin]

An obvious problem with 99.99% of modules and weapons in the game. Scale and placement.
Relevant for the RPK as well. Definitely need fix.

[merry lintel]

true, thats in the bug report section

[brisk ruin]

But it would be the right thing to do.
Honestly, the approach to balance here is weird.

[merry lintel]

it would, but that doesnt matter. ignore the dmg of the weapon, it wont change.

[brisk ruin]

Then everything makes little sense.

[merry lintel]

yep, u gotta view everything in relativity

[floral epoch]

The default mag model for the RPK16 in game is the 40 round 7.62x39mm extended mag prototype for the IRL AK15. Shallow curve AK mags are for the 5.45x39mm rifles, steep curve are 7.62x39.

[merry lintel]

mhm

[floral epoch]

Stat wise the in game RPK16 is similar to the in game AK74, but the model is based on the modern AK-10 series of rifles that visually share design points with the in game AK-15.
AFAIK the AK-12 and RPK-16 are both 5.45x39mm and have something around 80% part compatability, while the AK-15 and RPK-15 are 7.62x39mm and have a 75% part compatability.

[merry lintel]

yep, ppl have talked about that further up in chat

[floral epoch]

I was seeing the different models being used interchangeably by several, so I was clarifying.

Anyway, the RPK-16 in game should be the heavier weight sustained fire form of the AK74 with a slightly higher vert recoil but 1.2 first shot recoil and better damage drop off IMO.

[patent verge]

which it is, for the most part minus the recoil

[summer sierra]

M4A1 : L86A2 : : AK74 : RPK16

[mortal meadow]

Skins are now just very confusing... Im trying to re-create all my skins I had and when going to "Animals" skin they show stripes on icon yet after applying 1st and 2nd layer it doesnt have it :?

[floral epoch]

Gotta choose pattern 2 or 3 from the drop down sub menu on the left. Pattern 1 is monocolor.

[merry lintel]

wrong chat channel for this topic

[versed burrow]

Great gun, slightly better than ak74 with 45 rounds
Slap urk and flash hidder and its set to go
Plus the sound is amazing

[lofty hazel]

well rpk 74

than ak 74

[lofty hazel]

M4a1 and M249?

[stoic cargo]

it could just be me but for a gun classed as a "light support weapon" it feels very weak and what should be its intended ranges. I've gotted more consistent longer range kills with the ump and f2000 compared to this gun

its counterpart is much more powerful and consistent it feels like

[brisk ruin]

AK-10 - What?

Recoil - I'm not sure. The RPK is simply more massive and heavier than the AK.
In certain cases, a short barrel will increase recoil.

[floral epoch]

Missed a zero. The AK-100 series of AKs which turned into the AK-12/15s, which are being further developed into the AK-200 series of rifles.

But in general you're right: a heavier system tends to have better recoil control when firing full auto, if the weight is balanced to the center of or towards the muzzle of the rifle.

[scarlet sinew]

Flash hidder on rpk?

With bigger mag right?

[main mauve]

rpk16 5.45x39, akm 7.62x39, you sure prk 16 better than akm? also akm is ar while rpk - mg, they had different purposes, like rpk is for suppressing enemy with fire, akm- just ar, not for suppressing enemy with fire, more like for kill them and maybe fast actions

like rpk is heavy ( akm also, but not what much), you can't do fast actions with it

akm is less heavy, also it has bigger calibre, so maybe you will take down enemy faster

[old willow]

rpk16 - ak12
rpk74 - ak74
akm - idfk

[raw tulip]

Rpk?

[old willow]

well wanted to show how assault rifles and lsws are entertwined ig

so yeah, most modern shit is up on that list

[raw tulip]

Definitions irl are weird

[old willow]

yeahhhhhh

lsw, lmg, saw?????????

and then we have the m249: lmg, saw

or the mg3: mmg, saw, lmg, gpmg

[raw tulip]

God definitions espcially throughout time can change dramaticly

[old willow]

gun definitions are killing me, not to mention the smg scorpion evo that also has a carbine version - pistol caliber carbine

[raw tulip]

The BAR was considered an LMG

[old willow]

yeah 😭

[raw tulip]

A sniper was essentially a bolt action rifle with a scope

And that bolt action rifle is also used by normal troops

Minus the scope

[old willow]

oh also, "assault carbines" being used as dmrs in tarkov or the svd being a sniper rifle, or the m110 sass (semi automatic sniper rifle) is a dmr

[raw tulip]

I think theres a single barrel rifle that is considered a shotgun

Despite firing rilfe rounds

[old willow]

yeah that one 💀

i never played tarkov but jeez that shit is so interesting yet dumb xD

[main mauve]

ks 23 - carabine what are literaly shotgun

but irl it classifed as carabine, idk why

[old willow]

there is also an ak based gun that doesn't have a rifled barrel, legally making it a shotgun in russia
it still shoots a rifle round

[main mauve]

hmmm

vepr?

[raw tulip]

Ks23.. designed for anti aircraft is a carabine

[main mauve]

anti vechicle*

[raw tulip]

Yeah but i know they prob used spare parts from scrapped AA guns on there

[main mauve]

yes, also for idk what reason ks 23 has flashbang ammo

or i don't sure for what you need it

[raw tulip]

Gun definitions are weird at times

[main mauve]

nah, not this

maybe saiga, idk

gonna check

yeah

but saiga more like shotgun

[old willow]

no no no saiga isn't weird, it's just a semi auto shotgun

[main mauve]

hmm

maybe found

TR9 Paradox

it's is гладкоствольный карабин

so litteraly shotgun like saiga

so you can buy if you had license for shotgun

it shot 9 mm, xd

oh, wait, vepr also

so maybe you hear about vepr

vepr 12 hammer

it also shotgun, but it use shotgun ammo, like saiga

[scenic swift]

you know a gun is balanced when no one is talking about the balance but the fucking lore of it

[somber karma]

I like how the barrel attachments are supper tiny XD

[lofty hazel]

WW1 & 2
Automatic rifle (Think BAR & chauchat ; designed to be fired generally from hip or shoulder & do walking fire ; limited magazine capacity & low suppressive fire capabilities compared to the others)
LMG (in between of a Automatic Rifle & a strong lean to the MMG, solo operated & you get the idea, full rifle caliber generally but not generally caliber based )
MMG (made as a lighter more portable HMG (Think the M2 Browning with air cooled rather than water jacket) which trades some of the sustained fire capabilities for mobility)
HMG (Made for long suppressive fire, heavy, hard to move about and good luck firing it on the move to say the least)

---

Modern times
Military tends to do two definitions to my knowledge.
We have the SAW/LSW and the GPMG, the former a evolution of the LMG (and to a degree the Automatic Rifle), to a degree the automatic rifle has came back in modern times, due to the US Marine corp M27 IAR, and the latter a evolution of the MMG which we see in things like the M240b, MG3 & so on

SAW/LSW (M249, L86, RPK and so on ; uses same ammo as the rifle with ability to use the main rifle's magazine for ease on logistics. ammo sharing & so on ; ranges from "Rifle but some parts swapped out (L86 & RPK as a example) to something more dedicated in the job)

---

GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun ; think the M240b and it is heavier, bigger bullet & made for even longer sustainable fire among other things)

from the research I have done since yesturday

[lofty hazel]

different bolt as well (straight rather than the classic curve we know)

[lofty hazel]

KS-23 is a carbine if I recall

has a rifled barrel & uses shotgun shells

o Joon beat me to it

[lofty hazel]

in fairiness it is just a good gun, good audio to it and good feeling in generally

also it was brought up earlier LSW or LMG

but using the wikipedia as a example it labels it as literally both

[merry lintel]

can u guys please stop cluttering the RPK16 feedback chat room with random tangents and unrelated things? it makes it way harder for people to read the actual feedback and suggestions in relation to the actual gun and its ingame balancing.

[somber karma]

if this was the RPK-47 it should have been LMG but with it being the RPK-16 I agree with it being a LSW

and I believe it sounds to good and makes most of the other guns in game sound like trash

[stark vessel]

akm-rpd?

[brisk ruin]

We've already closed the subject. A long time ago.
I was sure they were the same caliber.

[keen vault]

rpk is very fun and feels good to use but tbh it feels entirely random if its gonna be a laserbeam or have high recoil. idk why it just doesnt feel consistent

[main mauve]

i too xd, but rpk 16 and over rpks are different

[untold wolf]

The barrel attachments are hilarious and I genuinely love them, but clearly a bug;

Pictured; the "long" suppressor. 😂

Just going to +1 the "tweak the drum mag" comments. I read through the whole thread and could not come up with any other change I'd want.

Big AK is fine. Don't change big AK.¹

¹ : except make the drum mag a worthwhile tradeoff. 15 rounds for all of those stats is not it.

Good thread overall, it's rare I agree that much with suggested changes 😆 GJ! 👍

[lost iris]

i mean it looks long to me ;-;
idk what ur talking about

[maiden dune]

I feel like the iron sights should be the classic AK iron sights and not the small circle thing they have on the rpk16

[old willow]

but that is literally how this gun is irl, same for the ak15 - which is a 7.62 version of the ak12...

[patent verge]

RPK does make we wish we got more needle iron sights

way easier to use at range

[brisk ruin]

This problem is relevant for almost all weapons.

The weapon itself should be initially in 1x scale, neither more nor less. This may be true, I don't know, I'm not sure.

Modules should also be in 1x scale, neither more nor less.
Yes, maybe the barrel of some weapons is thicker or thinner, but in general it makes no sense to put everything on all weapons. In reality it all depends on caliber, type and thread size. There are adapters, but that's another story.

[somber karma]

my gf told me that's is long

[stark vessel]

She's lying to you

That's barely average

[fleet thorn]

I like this weapon. But I'm not sure why it only has 4 mags

[lusty holly]

Seems to an AK74 with a bigger mag. Anyone?

[lost iris]

yeah it looks like AK15 with bigger mag but performs like AK74
really shouldn't have so much downsides for the 60round mag tbh

reload speed nerf is more than enough to balance it

you only get 15 more rounds
the additional running speed, recoil, etc nerf isn't need at all

[somber karma]

more of a support problem
the classes vest dont give much mags but you do get a resupply box so its actually gets more like 18 if your running and gunning and not dropping mags
and you get even more if your staying next to each box you drop (this is with 2 ammo boxes)

[fleet thorn]

Couldn't they just make the rpk start with more mags?

[lost iris]

^ this for any lmg that has like 30-50 ish mags

[fleet thorn]

I get it for the ultimax cause it has big drum

[lost iris]

or m249

[fleet thorn]

but not for the rpk

[lost iris]

ikr

or like l86

[fleet thorn]

like sure you can refill yourself but unlike medic who can use the box on himself without throwing it

you have to throw it down as support

[somber karma]

medic can't do that no more

[lost iris]

u can heal yourself without throwing down ur box

[somber karma]

thought they changed it to where the can no longer self heal with the box and only bandages

[lost iris]

i think u can't heal yourself with bandages

[somber karma]

i coulda sworn that they had a change where medic couldn't self heal with the box but instead use bandages like every other class might be goin crazy tho

tbh after they changed bandage speed i actually play other classes now

[cobalt jacinth]

personally i think 4 mags even on RPK is fine, stops you trying to run and gun TOO much while still somewhat allowing it, plus refilling your own ammo really doesn't take long, clunky sure but thats a different thing

[somber karma]

and i think its only 4 if you running exo
if you want more run heavy or medium

[fleet thorn]

?

[somber karma]

this

[fleet thorn]

No, medic can only heal himself with the box but not bandages

seems like before people could only use bandages to stop bleeding and not for healing like it is now

before as in months and months ago

[somber karma]

like i said i though they changed it recently

like last updated

[vague shuttle]

Fully advise running heavy vest with the RPK, the additional mags and movement are really helpful

[lusty holly]

Nah. Use normal armor, good amount of ammo, and less snail speed.

[somber karma]

ya I'd rather go normal for the extra movement

and if u run out of the amount of mags that you get with the normal vest then you can just drop a ammo box and get some quickly

[merry lintel]

heavy vest is the most optimal imo, compared to normal vest u get more mags, more armor and u can throw more nades. the only downside to heavy vs normal is like 2.5% mov speed, i rly dont see that as better.

[somber karma]

i need all that 2.5% move baby

[scarlet sinew]

You mean heavy bag?

[merry lintel]

yes sorry the ammo box change isnt related to the heavy vest, will correct it

[fleet thorn]

Do you actually get no extra mags with the exo but do with the heavy armor?

[merry lintel]

all armors grant extra mags but different amounts: exo 3 mags, heavy 5 mags, normal 4 mags.
so if u dont care too much about mov speed the heavy armor is the best all rounder in the game (it also has the best dmg breakpoint stats).

[fleet thorn]

Hmm... maybe I'll give heavy armor a go

[crude delta]

I feel like something is just off with this gun. Is it the velocity?

[raw tulip]

yeah the velocity is not on par with other LMGs/LSWs

its 600 while usually its alternatives are around 690

[vague shuttle]

All the other support guns got buffed velocity wise, and then Oki forgets to give this one the right velocity

[merry lintel]

yup!

[main ivy]

I dont like the fact that support weapons like this and the mg36 etc become terrible with a drum mag, my suggestion would be if you play as support you dont get movement speed penalty with extended mags and you only take half of the recoil penalty, this should be applied to all guns used by support.

[crude delta]

ya I rarely run drums because the penalty is so great and it usually negatively stacks with the armor support class gets

[fading cypress]

Wdym by “best damage breakpoint stats”?

Best by what metric

It seems that exo chestplate + normal helmet is faster in move speed, aim down speed, and more durable. The only reason to take heavy over that would be for the mags, but if you’re a support player that’s basically a nonissue

[somber karma]

i think rpk16 drum and bipod is the best way to run this gun what you on lol

RPK and G36C are the only 2 guns I'd actually recommend running a drum mag on because of how controllable they are even with them on

[vague shuttle]

Still doesn't change the fact that drum penalties are horrendous and have needed changing for good while

[lost iris]

all mag attachments are awful

[lofty hazel]

guess quick magazines aren't

[merry lintel]

relativity tho, its reductive to say "all mags are awful". we arnt talking about all mags, we are talking about drum mags, and they do have the worst penalties for the least amount of gain. i dont know if it was ur intent to make it sounds like ur brushing off the problems with drum mags.

[lost iris]

how's that "brushing off" when i literally point out the same thing? :/

[merry lintel]

yea sry for misunderstanding u then. the sentence could be interpreted both ways and i chose the more cynical meaning.

[raw tulip]

Me when a 60 rounds drum slows you down even more than an actual LMG that holds 100 rounds

Movement penalities needs to be reduced by Alot for extended/drum

[lofty hazel]

Agreed

[somber karma]

I agree with this
I think the accuracy isnt as bad as some people say it is though

[vague shuttle]

A naked rpk, with a drum added, gains the following negatives:
+0.2 vert recoil
+0.26 horizontal recoil
+0.06 aim down time
-0.24 running speed
+1.33 reload time
-0.23 draw speed
-0.12 control
It gives the following positives:
+15 ammo count.

[somber karma]

and the only thing I'd say needs toned down would be the running speed and possibly the reload

you can get the RPK16 super accurate even with the drum mag

if this was the SCAR-H extended mag i would 100% agree it makes it to inaccurate for how little it adds

but the RPK can have the heavy berral and bipod which makes that extra horizontal not noticeable

[old willow]

a worse m249 at that point

[lofty hazel]

old bipod?

[vague shuttle]

Waddya mean?

[lofty hazel]

meant with how many reds I saw

[vague shuttle]

Yeah

It's the same state of "just not worth taking" as old bipod was

The same is true of every extended mag or drum in the entire game

[proven fog]

Sir, i think this guns have superiority in the middle range compared other supporter guns.
I have a normal skill, not great skill, however, i could never defeat this gun when i was using m249. I think supporters guns are effective in middle ranges. but this gun has great stability and accuracy, but this characteristics is required for supporters guns. So , I have no idea how to adjust this balance. i wanna hear everyone’s idea if you ok.

[lofty hazel]

Being honest, M249 has a touch much on the H-recoil

[lofty hazel]

yep?

[willow forge]

yes, the m249 has the most recoil of the class... altough some flash hider and stability grip can help with that if you are not just holding LMB and hoping things die xD

[lofty hazel]

Oleker been doing bipod + FH

but was referring to before attachments

since it is effectively the introduction to LMGs at rank 20

[fading cypress]

DPS is not a good measure of a gun’s performance against enemies

Evidenced here by that the MG36 kills enemies faster than the M249 despite lower DPS…

TTK for pure unarmoured bodyshots isn’t very useful either

[raw tulip]

I think the rpk is prob the most reliable out of the LSWs

In most situations i will say the l86 will actually have a better ttk

Mostly cause 1 headshot can drop your stk to 3 on normal armor and it has 775 rpm

Mg36 is a mixed bag interms of ttk

It has the best ttk in theory but in practice it is proven to be inconsistent at times

Any armor can drop it down to 4 shots

[fading cypress]

L86A1 kills significantly faster than the RPK.

MG36 actually kills very slightly faster than the L86A1 against armoured opponents but if their armour is broken the L86A1 will do a lot better

[willow forge]

Main problem I’ve having with armor is the netcode wonkiness. You shoot the guy in the head and gets a body hit mark… you get 3 body marks and AFTER those you get an armor tick.

[proven fog]

i can understand. Especially, in the long range,I feel it often happen

[fading cypress]

hit markers are always bodyshot until server confirmation

but it shouldn't affect the damage you deal

[proven fog]

i love m249 cuz i can keep shooting until enemy lain and i do not need to care hit marker.

However, i am using m249 as “interceptor“ like attacking enemy’s aside. So,i attach a sup and a grip, it seems not better according to your all advice 🥲 i just feel mistaking how to use.

[lofty hazel]

for me I tend to find armor too easily avoided on body shots

[royal junco]

long suppresser is still to small after update

[merry lintel]

i am rather disappointed that they didnt address any RPK16 balance changes on the patch after its release, it would have been quite fast and easy to adjust the drum mag size and bullet velocity at least...

[vague shuttle]

He literally could have changed 2 numbers, yeah

[merry lintel]

exactly 😮‍💨

[willow forge]

Oki still stubborn to not hire anyone else to help him… he still the only guy doing it all code wise

[lost iris]

bro why u still here 😭
(and here only)

[merry lintel]

what do u mean? why wouldnt i be here and why should i be anywhere else? i like support and i like the rpk, it was one of my fav guns in battlefield 3 and 4

[lost iris]

why u not in #battlebit-eng ;-;

[merry lintel]

why would i be there? this community got too many toxic ppl for me to enjoy general conversations be that ingame or on discord.

[lost iris]

aww :(

[royal junco]

I think a slightly higher bullet velocity would be nice

[royal junco]

like 40

[old willow]

nah it's a longer barrel ak74, should be in that same area

[raw tulip]

But like

It kinda makes it a bit of an outlier amongst the newly buffed LMGs/LSWs

There isnt a good reason to not buff the velocity

its not some specialized weapon, its the Ol Reliable of the LSWs

[old willow]

ye that's why i said "in the same area" - of the ak74
so 700+

[merry lintel]

mhm

[royal junco]

So it would be okay to add 40 bv then

[royal junco]

it could actually have 100 bv more if we want it to be like the other ak fam and lmgs/lsws

but I think that would make the gun to strong

[royal junco]

I don't think the RPK-16 should be able to achieve more than 700 bullet velocity

[merry lintel]

give it 680 to 700 like all the other support weapons, make it an equal to its own class nothing more and nothing less.

[dry stirrup]

actual rpk has a muzzle velocity of 745 m/s

[royal junco]

im just coming from a balance stand point I think it would be to good at long ranges with more than 700 bullet velocity

[merry lintel]

i get that, but if we give it the same velocity as all the other support guns then it wont be any stronger than all of those guns at long ranges.

[royal junco]

the RPK-16 is a lot easier to use than other lmg/lsw that's why I don't think it needs quite as highs velocity

[merry lintel]

i disagree, half got worse recoil and the other half got the same or better recoil and yet they all got better velocity

[royal junco]

5000 kills deep with it plz buff it just a little

[stark vessel]

5k alredy?

Man wtf

[royal junco]

its the only thing I have used

still think small bullet velocity buff would be nice

[royal junco]

also more damage

[fading cypress]

It doesn’t need a buff.

[old willow]

velocity should be on par with the ak74
but nothing else needs touching, certainly not the damage

[lost iris]

ye

[wise token]

weapon doesnt need a buff... its in a rather fine spot

[lofty hazel]

I could see a velocity buff, but that is all I could see

[valid wave]

1 mag costs 50 points in ammo box,it's too expensive

[merry lintel]

drum mag to 95 and velocity increased to the standard 680-700 velocity as the rest of support weapons. otherwise its good ☺️

[keen vault]

i think the drum mag could use a little more ammo tbh

[lost iris]

yaaay

[waxen grove]

The RPK honestly is a little too good I’ve gone on like, 20 and 30 kill streaks with the gun with little to no effort.

I’m not sure how you’d nerf it without making it absolutely garbage.

[floral epoch]

The issue is that the other MGs only have advantages in some situations, while the RPK16 is proving to be a great all-rounder in the class.

[old willow]

oh boohoo i got a good flank therefor nerf xyz lmao
nerf the val and hb 🙃

[lost iris]

fk off

buff honey badger

[old willow]

irony bitch
val is my second most used gun

[lost iris]

@high prairie @delicate prairie

[high prairie]

Sir. This is RPK

[lost iris]

buff badger

[old willow]

buff deez nuts

[stark vessel]

Buff fal

[wise token]

buff glock

[scarlet sinew]

Nice off topic

[merry lintel]

thats sarcasm not irony..

[main ivy]

Buff RPG

[vague shuttle]

Getta outta here with that bull

[main ivy]

Buff c4