#Suicide C4 adjustments

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quick spoke
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This is 3 in 1 suggestion so I'll keep it short.

The suicide vest atm seems too easy to pick up and use and it'd be nice to make it so people consider the tool's downs and ups before they pick it and even use it in battle.

  • Make it so only the assault class can equip it.
  • When you have used it (blown yourself up and killed 2-5 enemies or whatever) you can't be revived and you must return to the spawn selection screen.
  • Slight AoE buff (edited in bullet point)

This'll easily make the C4 vest less spamy or be seen as a meme tool and actually force the player to consider the right type of situations to use it.

proud mortar
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Ok, make it that way. But If I kill someone with Suicide C4: they cannot get revived either 🙂

oblique hearth
quick spoke
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ew no

proud mortar
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Then I don't like the suggestion 👎

quick spoke
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that'll literally gencide the tickets lmao

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not my problem then

lime heart
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I think this suggestion is good, being revive on easy kill with suicide c4 (aoe kills) is kinda dumb

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it's a basic better knife when you've no more ammo / grenade when no supp to refill around

quick spoke
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Yeah which is why I want it as that type of tool when you're surrounded on all fronts and have no ammo, grenades, etc. left and you have your trusty C4 vest as a last thing to use before you die

junior forum
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I haven't seen any spam with a suicide vest

lime heart
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Not spam, but you can get revived, and then continue what you were doing

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it's one of the strongest tool cqb, instant, aoe, 1shot, no counterplay for the other players if it's in after a corner, etc

grand sluice
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should be for all classes but without reviving

quick spoke
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I made the suggestion for assault cause that should be the class with this type of tool anyways. Recon is always sniping, support is too slow to get that close to an enemy, and medic cause not only will they be revived after using this they'll heal themseleves

proud mortar
quick spoke
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thus the spam mention, I've mostly only seen medics use this vest and it just doesn't make sense for a class called medic to use this type of tool of all things lmao

proud mortar
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Idk? I don't think SC4 being on other classes is much of a problem compared to classic C4 being in all the class. If you can kill with SC4, you could have done it with C4 classic.

quick spoke
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A grenade shouldn't be able to be reused after it explodes

proud mortar
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what

quick spoke
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you're turning yourself into a mobile C4/grenade

proud mortar
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You can just refill nades and C4 tho

quick spoke
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with this tool

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thats called resupplying?

proud mortar
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I don't think SC4 has any problematic aspect. I think it's too weak actually. Would need either AoE buff, or that falling from roof and SC4 before touching the ground, should actually kill, and not do low damage. :c

quick spoke
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Hmm, maybe the AoE could use a slight buff if this were to be added

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I'll add that to the bullet points actually

proud mortar
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C4 has already so many more advantage over SC4. :c you have more, you can destroy vehicle, you can throw it from safe place, etc.

quick spoke
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There has been some suggestions in regards to nerfing the C4 in terms of amount you get

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also removing the C4 from medic and support and only letting engi and assault class get it would also make it more balanced

proud mortar
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tbh removing SC4 and C4 of medic, I wouldn't be against that 💀

lime heart
proud mortar
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Also, with no move speed, SC4 is worse option

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and if you're not close enough to be in the kill radius. GG WP lost a life for nothing.

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And the situation where: You don't have any allies around you, there's multiple ennemies in close quarter packed to be detoned and killed by one SC4, you don't have ammo, you don't have healing, you cannot runnaway. This never happens.

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Plus if you want to kill someone, you run to them, so you're loud af and easy target.

lime heart
# proud mortar you never run out of ammo and sidearm exist

You can run out of ammo if you're playing Medic, Engi or Recon, those 3 choices have light weapons, you don't need to be at 110% MS to use, the strongest option to that weapon is the surprise and the opportunity, running 5% faster will 99% never create a move you couldn't do before (timing are too tight).

We've to keep in mind that suicide C4 is a killing tool, so it's an other option that people don't have to kill many ennemies in same time close range, since there's no shotguns or other weapons, Skorpion evo and others exist, but suicide C4 will be more efficient on 5m range multiple targets fight since it's 1 click and you don't have to aim

Once you cleaned the area, people can come revive you which is way harder with a normal weapons and there's multiple ennemies in the same room

proud mortar
lime heart
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"order a resupply" is not an answer it depends on how many points you've to get refill, go back to teammate is also based on other people, what if you're alone? Classic C4 take times to throw and if it's in the air got a way less dangerous killing AoE 1shoot, same shit, grenade you can hear them, dodge them, and you expose yourself while throwing them.
If it rarely happens to you, it doesn't mean it'll not be played in that way

proud mortar
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Why pick "Strong option when you're out of ammo" when there's plenty of great way to not be out of ammo or just better option all the time.

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getting revived is also based on people

lime heart
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you can't be revive if there's still ennemies around

proud mortar
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Yeah

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and ennemy can be revived if you didn't kill all of them

lime heart
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suicideC4 is the biggest boom in the game

proud mortar
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at least you can do something. C4 tossed the other side of the wall that you're holding. You can't do much.

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RPG same

lime heart
proud mortar
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You can't see a C4 or a RPG heat from the other side of the wall tho

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nor hear it

earnest bay
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Needs a countdown beeping system

lime heart
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Again, suicideC4 is way bigger than normal C4, RPG on wall kill behind the will only if you hug it, and C4 same things + you've to cook it

proud mortar
earnest bay
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You click and there’s a ten second countdown with beeping that gets faster and faster

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Because that will make people anxious as hell to run away

lime heart
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ten second countdown is just fun but unplayable

earnest bay
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But yeah doesn’t have to be ten seconds, could be 5, or 3

lime heart
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y

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at least you know there's something that'll come and be 0 counterplay

earnest bay
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Coubterplay is to run away, but maybe the SC4 is on a faster kit

deep jungle
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This post is stupid for multiple reasons.

  1. A single explosion is limited to 490 damage in the game
  2. You can't resupply a suicide c4, so they almost always instantly give up anyways.

You make it seem like they just run around blow up 12 people, get picked up and do it again.
But they don't.

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Suicide c4 isn't inherently op, its a meme weapon. Good usage of normal c4 can net u several kills and doesn't cost ur life. Please understand the game on a fundamental level before making suggestions.

quick spoke
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"You make it seem like they just run around blow up 12 people,"
Uh yes you can? Play Namak and run into a group at C point. And like I have already pointed out if you're turning yourself into a bomb and kill that many people you shouldn't be able to be revived .

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So actually den, Please play the game and understand it on a fundamental level before acting like you're better than someone who actually has.

abstract yoke
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s-c4 is a meme. regular c4 is so much better for what your are saying

deep jungle
grand sluice
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it is not if they are damaged

deep jungle
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Thats true actually, but the odds of you jumping into a room and all the enemies u hit are below 40 hp are slim.

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That's what would be needed for a 12 kill suic4, never happening

grand sluice
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trow 2 impacts and jump after