#Nerf bleed threshold

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rigid token
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Or completely remove bleed all together

-Removing/nerfing bleed would make this game so much less tedious to heal and recover

-It would incentivize people to play other classes

-It would allow Engie, Support, Assault, Recon to play more smoothly

-It would help combat the frontline bleed/bandage loop so players can get back to shooting rather than spending valuable time having to bandage only to have to do it again right after

-It would make getting body tagged by any high damage rifle/ pistol be less tedious

-It would stop grenades from forcing bleeds and keep gameplay flowing and less congested

-It would remove the bleeding messages or make them less frequent, and stop the circle hit indicator from blocking vision

This is all I can think of from the top of my head please add any other positive effects of this change in the chat, or please debate the topic with equal amount or more reasoning to why it shouldn't be removed or nerfed. Thank you!

north fable
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idk about removing it tbh it does force people to rethink tactics and positioning once shot so it does encourage that but it can be annoying at times i understand that but i think its a key feature in game or else everyone would charge in and be a genuine nuisance its also funny to hit a sniper and they bleed out because of their tunnel vision

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it could be nerfed slightly maybe

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but its fine as is

wide pelican
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This guy literally just typed for me ^

earnest pebble
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could be experimented with on some servers, with the ... interesting movement system it does make some sense

narrow valve
rigid token
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Fair point, though I don't think it outweighs the positives this would bring.

rigid token
north fable
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i do understand how it can be very annoying at times in a firefight and you always start bleeding out so it could be nerfed but not removed its a key feature essentially

earnest pebble
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it would be nice if the damage was lower but more frequent, so the balance is unchanged but you have more of an idea when you'll bleed out?

narrow valve
rigid token
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The most annoying part for me is just being sent to bleed as I spawn, or bleed because of an accurate sniper player that should be aiming for my head!

north fable
narrow valve
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It's abusable as hell

north fable
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i hate m110s at close range two shots an you are dead and with a non meta weapon ur kinda screwed

rigid token
narrow valve
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Yeah no one is gonna waste their time on that one job

north fable
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yeah good point

oblique cairn
north fable
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but bleeding shouldnt be removed its a cool way for people to rethink tactics it could be nerfed but not removed

lethal rapids
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🌔

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W

wintry orbit
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id say reduce the chance of bleed when you're under 40% (?) hp

narrow valve
rigid token
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I think it would be better as like a last hp bleed out

wintry orbit
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i also wouldnt mind it is removed altogether tho >:3

still schooner
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@wintry orbit bottom

wintry orbit
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die

still schooner
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😔

rigid token
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On topic please Kata

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This isn't a personal chatroom

still schooner
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😔

narrow valve
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I think a rework is def due especially with how hard guns hit atm

wintry orbit
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worst part of the mechanic is getting shot with snipers/dmrs

north fable
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just make bleeding less impactful or go the way of some other games like showing a clear indicator of when you are going to bleed out like your screen starts to go monochrome or some other effect clearlt showing that you are in a lot of danger

rigid token
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I'm cool with either of my suggestions. Removing a feature completely I understand is silly.

But I don't think there should be an essentially stunlock for people shooting at players.

wintry orbit
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when you are low on health you do see more blood on your screen

north fable
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but they are planning to mkae the bandage speed between classes the same as the medic so that could help

rigid token
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Nobody voting no has any reasoning why it shouldn't be removed or nerfed. Kind of silly to ask me. Feels like bots.

wintry orbit
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just shy

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but yeah my biggest issue with bleed is just how often it is

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idk if we should really remove it altogether

rigid token
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'nerf bleed threshold' will be the new title

Considering it seems more popular than just flat out removing it.

lone fractal
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I know it feels like part of the game, but maybe that's just because its been there for so long. Does it really have a place? Some interesting situations now and then, but do they outweigh the annoying ones?
I don't have a great argument for or against removing, I just know I won't lose sleep if its gone

rigid token
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Nerf bleed threshold

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I'm still under the notion that it should be removed, but I'm happy with any change to it's threshold

half ermine
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  1. Removing it is flattening very interesting interactions the game offers. Hard no.
  2. It can be very annoying in some situations. Should never happen from fall damage, for example.
  3. People should have an option to minimise bleed by trading something. Armor is one such existing game feature that could modify bleed thresholds with the obvious tradeoff being speed.
wide pelican
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ah yes

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fix the entire of game

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truly a clown lmao

wintry orbit
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we're gonna need more than that Monka

flint bluff
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remove game, now game can't be bad.

lone fractal
wintry orbit
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fuck it make it full heal

lone fractal
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i hesitated to support full heal thinking it was too much, but I'm for it

wintry orbit
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id play assault more if it doesnt take 30 sec to full heal

wide pelican
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bleeding does need to be nerfed but in a way it makes sense

wintry orbit
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i love assault's reload passive

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it's just so slow to heal

wide pelican
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being shot from a sniper rifle or high cal bullet makes sense to make you bleed

wintry orbit
wide pelican
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being shot a few times from an AR, PDW, or SMG shouldn't make you bleed like a hole in a milk jug

wintry orbit
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id just make bleed probability lower at under 50hp

north fable
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i think the bandage time decrease would help everyone and more health should be given when you are not bleeding but healing urself without a medic kit

wintry orbit
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or whatever current threshold is

half ermine
wintry orbit
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is bleed guaranteed at 40hp then?

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not sure

half ermine
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Pretty sure it is. Should not be hard to test.

wintry orbit
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if i instantly bandage when i bleed i dont go over 80hp so i guess so?

half ermine
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But also should not be something that needs to be tested ffs. Lack of info on basic mechanics on this game is wack.

wintry orbit
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idfk

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im okay with bleed even though it slows down the game a bunch

wide pelican
wintry orbit
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just hate how often it happens

wide pelican
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would help a lot

north fable
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tbh the game can be fun without sweating and getting kills it can be fun just to take a humvee and drive it with the lights on and blaring the horn and yeet into enemies to annoy the heck out of them

vale grove
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Id play Eng and assault If bleed was removed and healing didnt take ages.

half ermine
north fable
vale grove
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Ye but bleed is still there

edgy berry
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I like the long heals and bleed, it makes gameplay and 1 on 1 or 1 on many from cover fights so much more tactical

half ermine
still schooner
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very compelling arguments from all sides

edgy berry
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u gotta decide to push and suprise them while healing and maybe bleed out or keep firing for a bit and maybe bleed but get them or heal and maybe get pushed

wintry orbit
half ermine
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Nerds who can't avoid getting shot crying and shaking rn

vale grove
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I think bleed should be disabled and enabled only on community servers If they wanted to

north fable
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ik i am talking about conquest its the best mode

wintry orbit
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ive seen some servers with bleed disabled

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only played them once tho

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servers dead

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kinda boring

north fable
vale grove
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I only play on servers without bleed

wintry orbit
still schooner
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@rigid token its devolving into mudslinging here. Close it nerd.

vale grove
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And its always full

wintry orbit
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ngl

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full heal bandages

still schooner
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goomba ass op

wintry orbit
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i wish that was in official

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the GNA servers are the most fun

still schooner
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People play official ?

vale grove
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Bleed is a milsim thing style tbh

vale grove
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Who even plays them

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Cant wait to play conquest infantry Conquest 5s cd resp

north fable
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no offense but i think most people that dont want bleeding came from bf4 bf3 etc and people that like the mechanic came from arma based games and all of that like me i dont blame any of you whatsoever

wintry orbit
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do they have a choice

still schooner
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They probably have to since gamemodes rotate ?

vale grove
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Rotate between conq and inf conq

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Crazy

north fable
wintry orbit
vale grove
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Official servers are bad cd resp bleed uurgh

wintry orbit
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i came from battlefield and arma (tbf played battlefield more than arma)

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and this game is nowhere close to arma

vale grove
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Im pretty sure only proned support players and recons like conquest

north fable
north fable
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they dont even turn around

wintry orbit
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sledgehammers are so broken

north fable
still schooner
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I liked arma and squad when I had time to kill and people were in vc

wintry orbit
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tbh might be skill issue from me

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hitboxes are wack

north fable
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just go for prone players

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wait did you mean broken as in absolute trash or as in too over powered?

wintry orbit
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trash

north fable
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yeah

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nvm

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its trash

still schooner
north fable
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but it would be better with collisions

still schooner
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we are going off topic

north fable
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thx for pointing that out

wintry orbit
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or just better hitboxes

still schooner
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when steve is around to be a nahtzee

wintry orbit
north fable
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omg i feel bad for ya

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that never happened to me

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but damn

wintry orbit
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damn maybe we need a new thread

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"bandages full heal"

north fable
lone fractal
north fable
narrow valve
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Also yeah can we not have the same few people starting bs because someone wants to share a opinion? take that garbage to DMs.

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I was joking

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I swear bro GInevitableHeatDeathOfUniverse

wintry orbit
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GIVE ME FULL HEAL OR GIVE ME

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idk

vale grove
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NOooo you cant take a milsim feature from an arcade Fun game It should be super serious style of gameplay

royal monolith
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So, my understanding is that the game is going to be split into milsim and arcade modes. Bleed should not be a feature in arcade mode, but it should be a feature in milsim mode

wintry orbit
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keep bandages for healing if that's the case

rigid token
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ok hear me out guys this is actually the biggest brain shit. BLEED TIERS LEVELS. 3 levels
Below 10% hp, bleed heal is normal speed as it is right now
11-25% hp, bleed is 20% faster than normal speed
25%-40% hp bleed is 50% faster than normal speed.

vale grove
royal monolith
rigid token
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It would make this game amazing if they had offical acrade- likes, and offical mil sim- likes

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so you could just choose either side, and enjoy, this game has the tools to be both, not a combination

vale grove
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If only they had more people in the staff to make It Work

rigid token
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eh, oki can make it work on his own i think, its just a matter of how important and how many people want it

sullen yacht
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I mean, with this argumentation you could also say that BBR is not Hardcore enough and makes more fun if you take away all the arcade stuff

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the mix is afaik wanted by the devs

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and bleeding is a thing you have to deal with if you have it

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the same with healing

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auto-healing is not fun imho

molten grail
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All I can say is, I would only make the bleed start if you get less than 20% HP. For example after a hard collision with an enemy. The bleed procs from spitting in your direction are really annoying.

marsh holly
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What causes the bleed threshold? Maybe just have only sniper rifles, DMRs, and battle rifles have a chance to cause bleed?

molten grail
runic berry
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Bleed Is the single thing that Is stopping a osu player medic from decimating a point

No, keep bleeding

austere widget
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What he said ^

vale grove
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Maybe shoot them?

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Not sure what to say that one is hilarious

narrow valve
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Fuck, even assault can do it

vale grove
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Anyone with a good flank can do it and ALL It takes to not Work is someone with a brain

narrow valve
rigid token
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Nobody in here has made a single valid point to go against it. I hate getting suggestion bombed. 27 X's and i dont even see a single reason to why it shouldn't be nerfed. I fucking hate this stupid community. YOU NEED A REASON TO VOTE NO.

rigid token
rigid token
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@wide pelican Explain why you usually have an explanation why you dont want something

runic berry
wide pelican
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Explain as to why I should explain into why I explain why I don't like something?

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yeah this isn't 4d chess my guy

rigid token
# runic berry It explain itself tf

How does bleed stop this from happening. People don't have to bandage its a choice. Bleed starts at a relatively healthy amount of HP so they have lots of time to run around still and create havoc. Ive seen it with my own eyes someone who is bleeding continue onwards and kill multiple enemies before stopping their own bleed and moving on.

rigid token
vale grove
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Im throwing c4s and nades at people while bleeding, kill them and bandage away. Bleed does jackshit but being a frustation at some times

rigid token
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I feel like if someone else posted this the results would be different. People simply vote no cause im making the post it almost feels like. I look at the dislikes and its always the same people. Does not matter what it is from game mechanics to QOL features.

cursive viper
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It's discord my dude. Expecting rational discussion is only gonna lead to disappointment

fair tusk
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Only fair to take things serious if this is the shit ass method doki decided to take player feedback

rigid token
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Id expect people to be a little more mature about things from time to time. Statistically im pretty sure some of the new changes are frowned upon but nobody in that area who are voting no to some of these changes bother with this discord.

cursive viper
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Fair point, but that doesn't mean everyone is gonna treat it as such. I don't disagree, but this still is a public discord and from what Ive seen so far, there's little to no moderation in the suggestion threads

rigid token
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No there really isnt any moderation at all, in fact the mods talk in here much less than casual blank names like myself.

cursive viper
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Personally I wouldn't mind bleeding being tweaked somewhat to occur somewhat slower and be harder to proc for a lot of the reasons you listed

fair tusk
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most of the times the blank names just played the game more than they talk in this discord

cursive viper
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I like it as a mechanic to act as a counter to single players being able to massacre groups with little to no consequence, but random one taps causing bleeding are kinda annoying to deal with

fair tusk
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like i never talkin here but play the game 12 hrs a day

cursive viper
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I just picked up the game & have been playing casually after work, and I'm interested in the game being a success cuz it's so damn fun

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No other game quite scratches this FPS game itch for me

fair tusk
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thats the allure of this game for a lot of people

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but sad to say with gameplay changes like im seeing thats gonna die soon

rigid token
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The worst thing that can happen in this discord has already happened and its happening to me soon as well. Its giving up hope that anything you discuss is heard. Ive made so many suggestion posts in this discord and have never seen anything from a single dev/mod that was not negative. Im at my limit to trying to help this game survive

cursive viper
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Meh, my standards for a dead game aren't that harsh. The devs just have to take a step back and consider the philosophy they wanna take and stop trying to pump out content ASAP and relying on public polls for game design decisions

fair tusk
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HIRE MORE DEVELOPERS!!!

cursive viper
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Oki is putting far too much pressure on himself because of the game's recent success and making good decisions is hard when you feel that much pressure to perform and grind yourself into oblivion

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Devs also take time to train & familiarize with the codebase, so that's a tradeoff that they'd have to make. I can understand where they're coming from even if I don't think using a 3-man development at this pace is sustainable long-term

austere widget
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We can but I shall humor you. Bleed is supposed to be tedious because it slows down quite arcadey gameplay. I see it as a new flavor in shooter genre, where you can have a mix of both arcade and """realistic""" shooters.

-Threshold is already pretty low on 40-30 HP and tick after like ~15-20 seconds. No need to lower it even further as either way it's reached in 2-3 shots.

-Faster bandaging change will already make the gameplay more smoother for other classes as it will reduce the downtime between action. As mentioned earlier it also slows down the gameplay and limits all players from going on a spree. You have to do more than super fast reactions in favour of good positioning.

-Bleeding message is not a problem, would rather say sometimes it's hard to spot. Same for circle. Can stay or be changed in a minor way. I'm not bothered by it.

-If you are in a close range of a grenade and you survive, you should be bleeding.

fair tusk
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This game does not need to be a milsim, you paid $14.99 for it because it was a giant 127 v 127 battlefeild with shitty graphics, if you bought this game for milsim and overlooked games like Squad, Hell let Loose and Arma thats not our fault

cursive viper
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Counterpoint: just because a mechanic is in a milsim game doesn't inherently mean it shouldn't be included.

Personally I like the bleed mechanic because I can't handle games that have absolutely 0 points in the gameplay loop where I have to slow down, or think about tradeoffs I need to make.

It also does stop people from just running & gunning the entire game without being forced to disengage at some point.

Does it need to be 100% accurate to real life? Fuck no. But just because it's a mechanic in milsims doesn't mean it's inherently bad.

rigid token
# austere widget We can but I shall humor you. Bleed is supposed to be tedious because it slows d...

I appreciate you commenting.

  • Threshold for bleed is 50hp, ignoring armor. The bleed ticks down instantly at 1hp/s. So you are incorrect here.

  • Having good position sure is a good attribute but I dont know about you but spawning and instantly bleeding is not fun in the slightest. You don't have a choice really to spawn if your teammates are in a difficult position. The alternative is at the closest objective, which sometimes is a fair distance away from any action, which downtime is bad for any game.

  • Bleeding message is a problem for me it personally distracts me from looking where I want to go, and enemies that im trying to shoot at because its directly in my LOS in some cases.

  • The red circle, along with the bleeding message should have a opacity bar so I dont have to see it if I dont want to. I find these things very distracting to me.

fair tusk
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We can but I shall humor you. Bleed is supposed to be tedious because it slows down quite arcadey gameplay. I see it as a new flavor in shooter genre, where you can have a mix of both arcade and """realistic""" shooters.  

  - See comment above* 

-Threshold is already pretty low on 40-30 HP and tick after like ~15-20 seconds. No need to lower it even further as either way it's reached in 2-3 shots.

 - It seems like almost every event that causes you to take dmg and not die causes a bleed, in my opinion this should be lowered. (fall dmg, explosive radius blast effect etc.) 

-Faster bandaging change will already make the gameplay more smoother for other classes as it will reduce the downtime between action. As mentioned earlier it also slows down the gameplay and limits all players from going on a spree. You have to do more than super fast reactions in favour of good positioning.

- Faster Bandaging will make the gameplay feel smother for other classes yes, but defeats the essential role of a medic. If everyone can bandage faster then what allure do players have to play medic and use the kit that it provides. This change would not change anything about players playing at a fast pace at all, just that they will be playing different classes this time. 

-Bleeding message is not a problem, would rather say sometimes it's hard to spot. Same for circle. Can stay or be changed in a minor way. I'm not bothered by it.

 - Bleeding has been one of the biggest problems this game has been faced with, its a poorly optimized system that often time fails to make sense (ie some falls cause bleeding dmg and others dont).. I think if anything personally they just remove bleed but thats a contreversial take 

-If you are in a close range of a grenade and you survive, you should be bleeding.

- I agree, but often times its the constant cycle of nades that causes me to bandage more than I play the game
wide pelican
fair tusk
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I mean is that not what it is.. simple low poly visuals

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its not Baldurs Gate

heavy iron
rigid token
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Cleo please remove your emote if you have nothing to add, thank you.

fair tusk
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^^

cursive viper
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I think the issue with bleeding has just been striking that balance between "tedious" and "pointless"

wide pelican
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this thread is on life support

fair tusk
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If only the mods woke up to moderate this duscussion form

rigid token
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Joe please stop interacting with people if you feel they're trolling/ have no real comment on the matter and focus on the debate.

fair tusk
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these are the only people trying to make good discourse with people about gameplay changes and they just chat shit to drown others out

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smh

rigid token
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Joe you have still yet to give an opinion of the actual point of the discussion

fair tusk
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also this ^^

naive sparrow
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Bleed keeps the ultra sweats from going on a even larger rampage as if they want to continue, they will have to slow down for a bit

fair tusk
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31 no votes and only 1 person explained why they did xD

fair tusk
naive sparrow
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I am kinda biased but I like this feature

wide pelican
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Toonell and gamezmaster already made good enough counterpoints tbh

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nothing else to really add or debate

rigid token
wide pelican
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those 2 already kinda talked for me

austere widget
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No, I bought it because it was a mix of both with 254 players. Bleed is one of the mechanics that appealed to me at least. HLL is jackshit, Squad is a a bit too demanding game for my GPU, ARMA is too heavy

naive sparrow
fair tusk
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because they are bleeding changes nothing

tidal obsidian
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no bleed should just be a community server feature

fair tusk
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just happen to not be able to shoot back

naive sparrow
wide pelican
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I liked the mix of mechanics from the squad and battlefield games(s)

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and I still want those to stay

fair tusk
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I dont think im wrong in saying thats not THE main allure but ONE OF the main allures to this game

rigid token
fair tusk
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^^

naive sparrow
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Idk, I’ll think abt it I suppose

rigid token
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Im not asking for it to be removed, just lowered threshold. I hope everyone understands this.

fair tusk
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we are both more than happy to discuss things with you if you want to at a later time @naive sparrow that goes for both Steve and myself*

vale grove
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I loved the game at first because it was so random, chaotic and funny. Last few weeks it started to take a swing in the opposite way

naive sparrow
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I feel like usually when u begin bleeding, u r already really low and can be one shot by most guns, lowering the threshold even further would make it pointless

wide pelican
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Battlebit isn't going to be like Squad or Arma or HLL or anysort of those games

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its going to be Battlebit

cursive viper
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I don't think making tweaks one way or the other is vastly swinging the game towards a pure arcadey CoD clone or a hardcore milsim either

austere widget
tidal obsidian
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i believe bleeding is a really important mechanic to keep the pace of the game in check, if bleeding was rare or didn't exist then teamplay would be harmed

rigid token
vale grove
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Most suggestions are about how to make the game slower more serious and realistic. Imo, If It ever starts going that way a lot are going to leave. Bleed doesnt really fit in the main game honestly, its more of a milsim feature

tidal obsidian
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the less you bleed, the less you are incentivized to stay with your teammates

naive sparrow
tidal obsidian
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right now i think it's in a good spot as is, because you can still succeed as a lone wolf but only to an extent

vale grove
tidal obsidian
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if bleeding was a big problem movement players wouldn't be common

naive sparrow
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Bleeding also forces a person to burn a bandage

vale grove
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That doesnt bother medic It hinders other classes.

rigid token
# tidal obsidian i believe bleeding is a really important mechanic to keep the pace of the game i...

I agree that bleed shouldn't be just removed. I feel like there's inherently issues with the bleeding being so high HP. In more situations than not I think the bleeding would still occur. Its actually a positive feature IMO because if the bleeding were to start later, than people who normally run around all the time would surly understand they're about to die, instead of continuing to run around for almost a minute before stopping the bleed out.

wide pelican
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Teamplay is a thing in this game. Nobody really has started to support the lone wolf until now. Get this out of your head. We got Squad speak and Squad leader speak. We got support classes, building cover, and mag managing mechanics. Why are you acting like nobody likes these systems in this game?

cursive viper
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If bleeding was harder to proc but was more of a serious threat that could change how bleeding is viewed/used

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Because the primary reason I see for bleeding being used is a way to force the player to slow down/disengage

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But constantly bleeding is just annoying

tidal obsidian
vale grove
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Thats imo a job for recons tô slow down players. Every sniper should have bleed but not Assault or smgs

cursive viper
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So if bleeding was a bit less common, but a more serious issue, that would still incentivise disengagement without being an annoyance

austere widget
cursive viper
vale grove
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Bleeding on nades, c4s and recons would be Fine. Respawning getting bleed is awful

cursive viper
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1 or 2 stray smg rounds from 50 meters shouldn't have the same suppression incentive as a DMR straight to the chest at the same range

rigid token
# naive sparrow imo, getting shot by a sniper and surviving should keep you down for a bit, but ...

Right I agree with this, but don't you think that in situations getting body tagged by a sniper (who should be headshotting you) benefit by stopping you from going anywhere to bandage a bleed, followed by 2 more bandages to full heal. If you're getting shot by a sniper and dont bleed i feel like it would make things more of a choice to either risk running and bandaging vs actually just instantly trying to help themselves because they're low hp.

cursive viper
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Also bleeding on supports/lmgs would also be a good alternative for a suppression mechanic

tidal obsidian
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i think buffing bandages instead of nerfing bleed would make more sense so stray shots don't keep you down for too long

naive sparrow
cursive viper
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SMGs/pistols being the lowest, ARs/Carbines having a mid threshold, and larger caliber guns like DMRs/Snipers causing the most serious

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As for support weapons, idk somewhere in there

tidal obsidian
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or the chance of causing bleed being based on velocity

cursive viper
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Velocity & calibre

rigid token
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I appreciate everyone in here being civil and having an actual discussion. At the end of the day whether someone disagrees or not they're still a player and we need them to keep our game alive.

cursive viper
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Like a bleed stat with dropoff similar to damage dropoff

tidal obsidian
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that would also give the long barrel some use

naive sparrow
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Or we could make bleed more potent, but idk

cursive viper
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Or both

austere widget
cursive viper
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Change the way bleed works so certain roles/guns have better chances of causing bleed, and maybe some sort of bleed severity

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Like, a 9mm round isn't gonna make you bleed nearly as much as a 50 cal

rigid token
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Something i bought up is what if guns have different bleeds, OR bleeds have tiers of intensity based on how low you are. Letting yourself be super low means a higher than normal bandage time, but stopping a bleed at higher hp means its faster. This would make getting bleed off spawns less annoying from stray bullets, and make deliberate bleeding from someone getting 3 shots on you and surviving be more intense.

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my thoughts personally if bleed were to be tweaked:
milsim: bleeding kills faster
official: bandages heal more or bleed chance depends on velocity/dropoff
community servers: option for less or no bleed

cursive viper
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Yeah I think that would be cool and more mil-sim like, but also combat the annoying parts of bleeding

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fair tusk
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didnt they turn it off too on BR

vale grove
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Its turned off and honestly its great

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I'm just waiting for the bandage/assault buffs to drop medic

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maybe that's why I don't experience it that much- i don't play frontline

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vale grove
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Conquest and infantry conquest is very much a different game to be honestly

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# austere widget maybe that's why I don't experience it that much- i don't play frontline

I almost exclusively play frontline and dom. In frontline its very bad to spawn in sometimes. Id say about 20% of your deaths are instantly dying or dying before you can react to a spawn, due to having to hide instantly cause of bleeding and being 'Stuck' in a bad spot. But there are no other spawn points close by to any action so you kinda have to if you don't want a half mile hike lmfao

vale grove
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Bleed is not that bad on bigger maps, but on maps like frugis, tensatown azagor its a huge frustatrion on frontline

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vale grove
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most of your respawns you are going to be bleeding

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vale grove
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Problems with frontline are people sniping from safezone and bleed

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In both cases you are punished without doing shit

rigid token
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This is how Hunt: Showdown has its bleed. This is something id like. The wordings diffrent but different game, but i think it gets to the point

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naive sparrow
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right? or did i misinterpret what your point is.

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Yeah essentially my point. You die quicker if you allow bleeding to really get you low enough, but this would be outside the relm of even a sniper tag, so under something like 10-15hp would be a heavy bleed. Med bleed would work the same way as it does now and be from 16-29hp lets say, and the light bleeding effect would be from 30-50hp and bleed is slower tickrate

fair tusk
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I dont hate that idea

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sorry ive been fending off the people who think that medics removed guns is a good ting

naive sparrow
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maybe lower the threshold to around 35 ish so you can tank one more shot but make the tick speed of the bleed a lot higher

naive sparrow
rigid token
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As this great discussion goes on, people are still spamming the no vote, if only they were reading what the discussion has turned into

naive sparrow
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heh

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cursive viper
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Regardless of the exact threshold, the general idea would be to make bleeding more severe & punishing, but only after a higher dmg threshold to actually incentivise people to disengage and deal with bleeding and remove the more annoying aspects of bleed spam

vale grove
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The redditors don't really read, they see who posted and they disagree based on it

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Really hope they look into bleed

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cursive viper
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Bleed as a mechanic is good, the way bleed works could be better/altered to accomplish it's objectives better

naive sparrow
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u want bleed to be a life ore death kind of situation, right? then i personally would go for upping the tick rate of bleed damage

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The bleeding tiers also are really good indicators for players to continue to shoot if they notice they're only light bleeding, and to really GTFO if they're in a heavy bleed situation. Very beneficial to attentive players.

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naive sparrow
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yeah, ic

cursive viper
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The more red you see and heart pounding you hear, the worse that is, and doesn't require active attention to check

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Much more of an "oh shit" thing

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I tried looking for a hunt showdown bleed video but i cant find one, it has like levels of dripping sounds from the blood and the frequency is faster of them. Very cool

cursive viper
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Yep, I play hunt and the bleed mechanics in that game are excellent

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And how light vs. heavy bleeding is inflicted is pretty intuitive

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More stab/shooty = more bleed = more serious

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Good shit here, sadly my origonal post is so far from what we are discussing right now. So unlikely to ever be seen by anyone of importance Sadge

cursive viper
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Well make a new one with the suggestions we've compiled and retitle it

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Not nerf/buff since that triggers the redditors/adhd gremlins

rigid token
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i dont wanna make suggestions anymore cause i have haters

cursive viper
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If I have time maybe I'll make a new suggestion, I speak developer and shrieking monke and idc what people think

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Id appreciate that <3

cursive viper
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Systems analysis is basically my job/education so I think I know how to present the info in a way people will get

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And a tl;dr

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We have similar jobs of analyzing data. Im a Online Entertainment Consultant. So im constantly helping streamers/devs with their content and helping them bring it to the next level.

cursive viper
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I know how to translate between internet gremlin, developer, customer and english, don't worry, I gotchu

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I think a lot of the issues people are having with some of the proposed changes is that they're not in depth enough

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They're good in theory, but they need to get fleshed out a bit first

fair tusk
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Fuck it i love you both

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two people who can go back and forth and be civil

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and bring ideas to the table all at the same time

cursive viper
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It's almost like we have opinions we can explain & have thought out, we don't have personal shit tied up in the game we like to play & can change our minds when presented with new information :p

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I think removing bleeding entirely would make gameplay allot more inviting to newer members

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