livid olive
As title suggests.
For snipers with bolt actions ~ no change
For DMR users ~ Normal brightness for every third projectile. If implementation not possible then no change.
Reason: Both weapon classes are single shot low fire rate. If used when suppressed it will be extremely hard to spot if tracer brightness is reduced for these.
stiff anchor
good idea except this is a buff to snipers with no downsides
livid olive
Oh shit
stiff anchor
so maybe not for snipers?
livid olive
Yea I should mention that
livid olive
they are suppressed so they would be counted too
any full auto gun suppressed whose tracers can be spotted because someone is spamming it ~ after reducing brightness
so brightness/prominence would be reduced but it would benefit people who count their shots and not someone who is spamming rounds through smoke or small holes
gray panther
Cool idea
livid olive
@gray panther how do I add tags to this thread ?
gray panther
<@444578333435494411> how do I add tags to this thread ?
I suppose there should be an option somewhere by the title bar, dunno I created the community post like once
livid olive
thanks dude, I'll see if its still available
would like to see this change actually in the game
but I think oki browses through tags
grizzled briar
so maybe not for snipers?
I feel like the greater issue is that suppressors increase bullet velocity for snipers especially. There's no reason for this, suppressors don't even work like that. IMO, suppressors shouldn't affect bullet velocity, let alone being the single best option for bullet velocity.
gray panther
I feel like the greater issue is that suppressors *increase* bullet velocity for...
Well to some extent they are increase of barrel length so small increase might happen
grizzled briar
Don't suppressors work by decelerating the bullet, which makes tem quieter, or am I mistaken?
gray panther
Don't suppressors work by decelerating the bullet, which makes tem quieter, or a...
Nope, they just withhold the gases and sound through number of layers of blockades
grizzled briar
Either way, that's how you would make them not a buff to snipers, by not making them buff bullet velocity imo.
They didn't before
livid olive
Yeah I don't think suppressors increase the velocity irl. They absorb the gases.
but its a game, so who knows what they were thinking when they decided on it
Atleast the tracers could use some tweaking, and thats what I'm hoping for now.
livid olive
@blissful dust this one. No warn pls. Just @ ing since you ? ed my message.
blissful dust
if possible, can you record a case when it happens, I couldn't imagine the case exactly yet
livid olive
I cannot modify tracer brightness ingame
The suggestion is : TO REDUCE bullet tracer brightness from suppressed weapons
lucid flicker
if possible, can you record a case when it happens, I couldn't imagine the case ...
They are asking for a feature where people can adjust their own tracer brightness
Correct? @livid olive
livid olive
No sorry, I am asking the brightness of bullet tracers to be reduced when someone equips suppressor attachment @lucid flicker
brave egret
I have a... maybe stupid - if so, do call me out! - idea for how to address making this a blind buff to snipers.
What if the first or second round of a bolt action's mag is a tracer only?
That way they could still retain some sort of benefit, but not without having to engage with tracers.
Either you game it out and chuck a round in the dirt - which I'd assume folks MIGHT do.. it's a vidya game, folks optimize the fun out of it lol - if it's the first round.
Otherwise, you could just fire one round, and give yourself a MUCH slower bolting... because you'd load a new mag every shot.. but you get to be fully concealed. Give/take.
Ideas, comments, concerns? 🤔
If you don't engage with it and just shoot as normal, you wouldn't be seen EVERY shot, but your first (or second) of the mag could bring attention to you if someone happens to be looking that way when that round is fired, otherwise you get to sneaky breeki.
wanton pulsar
Nah, because Tracer are big so that sniper can see where they shot go, from faraway.
brave egret
I mean.. you should still be able to see your own shots.. there's a bullet trail IRL, could have them still be visible to you if needed... otherwise I think you just singlehandedly made the "silencers hide bullet trails is simply a buff for snipers" argument crumble... because no tracer means you don't see your shot's arc, means you better know your drop damn well when using them!
I see this as a total win for OP's idea 😎
wanton pulsar
Yes Op's idea is good
lapis phoenix
I mean this also just seems like a blind buff to dmrs with no downsides do they really need it?
wanton pulsar
OP said if seems to broken, just don't change it for dmr
livid olive
sorry my wifi was down
just in time for free weekend 😡
I'll try to post an example of before vs after for oki
quick latch
Ok so, ik snipers have tracers... do DMRs have full tracers rn too?
livid olive
yes
but its get complicated, since marksman guns will get updated tracers with full trails
thats okis plan
🦧
quick latch
Is there a clip of it? I havent seen them yet
livid olive
lemme link
quick latch
Yeah I think in general, the tracer brightness should be based on the damage of the bullet as well as range basically
livid olive
quick latch
Cqc (ARs and SMGs) dont need them since you can see the guy shooting you... I hope.
where should the line be I guess is the first wuestion? BRs? DMRs?
livid olive
imo dmr should get a slightly tuned version of 'reduced' tracers
quick latch
Yeah I agree
livid olive
assuming that its possible atm to assign a different projectile object to the dmr class
quick latch
DMRs can be tough to see at times. Reduced brightness and slifhtly reduced times I imagine
quick latch
assuming that its possible atm to assign a different projectile object to the dm...
don't know why it wouldn't - the sniper ones exist
Would take work ofc but it would be a good change
livid olive
but the problem I'm facing is, how am I going to render his projectile object from his game into my environment
livid olive
don't know why it wouldn't - the sniper ones exist
yeah thats the thing, he just reworked them....
quick latch
but the problem I'm facing is, how am I going to render his projectile object fr...
wdym? are you tryinf rk make a demo video or somethinf?
livid olive
yeah he asked for an example, so either he confused it for a bug or idk - but I'm going to pist it anyways
quick latch
yeah thats the thing, he just reworked them....
I mean rither way, bullets track all the stats tied to the weapon its fired from, dmg, etc, so surely it wouldn't be too much of a stretch...? i'm no programmer but still
livid olive
since its something people seem to like - regardless of their views on other things
quick latch
Yeah, Between the sound, tracers, and reduced glint, snipers look pretty damn good now, and I hope fairly balanced
They don't have a big target on their head, but they also give away their positon during fights
I feel it will be good
Honestly could we not just take a screenshot of the tracer and edit it to get the point across? would be easier to do than trying to make a video/functional example id thays whay you're shooting for now
I imagine the big thing is brightness and maybe fade time
quick latch
Thats fine yeye
I would offer to help but i can't until I get back home...
plus ive never done any photoshop or anything like that yet 
quick latch
Yea ofc, Im down to do whatever I can regardless as longas I have the time and mental capacity for it 
livid olive
if possible, can you record a case when it happens, I couldn't imagine the case ...
Hey, posting a clip of suppressed vs unsuppressed projectile here. Obviously its not scaled to battlebit projectile but will give you an idea i.e Reducing the visibility of the bullet tracers from a suppressed weapon without modifying projectile size and without making it completely invisible
Current unssuppressed projectile ^
High emmission intensity of trail + projectile from unsuppressed weapon
Longer projectile trail
Proposition for suppressed weapon projectile ^
Smaller trail
Intensity of emission reduced for trail and projectile object
These are just examples and not scaled to bbit tracers, just posted to provide an idea
graceful atlas
Ye
Don't care either way
Suppressors benefit is sound. Currently sound is still kinda scuffed. As attachments they are always kinda niche. Less visible tracers has no basis in reality either. Just don't care really
icy reef
Buff As Val with less tracers so it can be sneakier like it's designed to be 🥲
livid olive
They are asking for a feature where people can adjust their own tracer brightnes...
Lorenzo could you @ oki. I want to avoid a warn. I've posted the examples like he wanted me too
lucid flicker
Oki does read this suggestion, soon or late
livid olive
Yes now if only oki would grace us with his presence
@knotty acorn check the vids I posted as an example which you requested
gray panther
<@318802758159433728> check the vids I posted as an example which you requested
Wrong Oki
livid olive
fuck
thanks for correcting
@blissful dust check the vids I posted as an example, which you had requested
livid olive
@visual rampart whats so funny jackass ?
visual rampart
<@280551056134504449> whats so funny jackass ?
quick latch
nothing wrong from where I'm standing fwiw @livid olive 
other than slight goofy from wrong ping, teehee
livid olive
100
livid olive
99
quick latch
98?
livid olive
98 indeed
livid olive
97
livid olive
96
errant basin
95
livid olive
94
livid olive
93
stiff anchor
what are you doing
livid olive
check dms
visual rampart
I can't believe the countdown was ruined.
stiff anchor
i'll do it again
livid olive
100
errant basin
99
visual rampart
98?
errant basin
97
livid olive
96
livid olive
96 and a half
shadow scaffold
95
livid olive
94.5
knotty verge
Remeber to stay on topic guys, because the mods obviously look at every thread!
livid olive
94
errant basin
93
gray panther
92
errant basin
88
livid olive
87
twin stump
86 (whoever gets 69 must be made a mod)
livid olive
85.5 ( please don't count down too fast, the anthrax has not arrived yet )
errant basin
85.25
livid olive
85
livid olive
81
errant basin
80.75
rancid granite
suppressors would need a serious nerf in other aspects for this to be fair.
errant basin
80.5
livid olive
@rancid granite its not removing tracers
livid olive
Hey, posting a clip of suppressed vs unsuppressed projectile here. Obviously its...
@rancid granite see the vids below this
rancid granite
<@539856604837707829> its not removing tracers
I didn't say it was?
what it is is a major buff.
livid olive
how so ?
rancid granite
by making them less noticable.
livid olive
💀
tracers will be there
just not glowing like meteors
check the vids to understand the diff
livid olive
then its basically doing what is supposed to do at the very least in terms of game mechanics
rancid granite
right now players are bad enough at reading them as-is, this change would be huge
suppressors are already powerful
livid olive
other games usually straight up remove the tracers, map positions and/or dampen the sound too much
currently it does none of those
and it doesn't
rancid granite
and this would just be unrealistic
shadow scaffold
79
rancid granite
if you are going to buff suppressors you also need a nerf.
even if it was a small buff, but in this game especially it would be massive
livid olive
and this would just be unrealistic
maybe we should remove revive mechanics, 7 rpgs for one engi, trophy systems too then 💀
livid olive
if you are going to buff suppressors you also need a nerf.
now this is a spoilt child take, gimme this or else you can't get that 🫃
rancid granite
what
what does that even mean
I am saying don't give an already powerful option a huge buff
livid olive
maybe we should remove revive mechanics, 7 rpgs for one engi, trophy systems too...
this ? basically its a game so it doesn't need to mimic 1:1 realism as seen in case of already existing mechanics
💀
like brother no standard issues weapons use full mag tracer ammo either irl
rancid granite
My argument is not realism focused. That is just a factor
livid olive
so if we want to be realistic, we shouldn't be having tracers for every shot in the first place
livid olive
first realism, now balance
rancid granite
I am saying don't give an already powerful option a huge buff
that is the issue
which is what I said at the start
livid olive
What is your argument ? that its too overpowerful to slightly dim the emission rendering of tracer ?
and that its not realistic either
okay lemme answer both
rancid granite
I am saying don't give an already powerful option a huge buff
this
they're arguably meta already
livid olive
💀 whats the hugee buff
tracer size will be same and the bullet object will be of same size
rancid granite
doing well in this game is mainly focused around confusing your enemies. Any improvement on that helps a lot
that's why suppressors are good right now
your example is far less visible
also, it just doesn't need a buff. Which is why I'm questioning your motive to begin with
(that is also why I brought up realism as I was making a point that that wouldn't be an argument for it)
livid olive
What is your argument ? that its too overpowerful to slightly dim the emission r...
🤦Its a staple game mechanic to modify detectibility when guns are suppressed either by removing tracers completely, removing minimap detection, full sound dampening. I'm asking for neither of those since they are too OP. But the tracer emission can be reduced at the very least which would help with its functionality without making it too OP
livid olive
and that its not realistic either
Moot point. If we were being realistic we wouldn't be having tracers for every bullet fired from the weapon
So now that we know tracers in this game are just game mechanics like other games, we should deal with them in a game world type approach not from the window of realism
severe light
I mean. In most fps, suppressors grant stealth while sacrificing damage. Surprised when I learned that wasn't the case here
rancid granite
🤦Its a staple game mechanic to modify detectibility when guns are suppressed ei...
It modifies detectability significantly. Detectability is extremely important in this game
right now it is very functional
were it to be made stealthier, I would suggest heavy recoil penalties.
livid olive
your example is far less visible
It wont be if someone is spamming rounds, you'll be able to notice them. It will only benefit folks who have good shot discipline and not spam rounds.
livid olive
I mean. In most fps, suppressors grant stealth while sacrificing damage. Surpris...
yeah that or just reduce velocity
shadow scaffold
I mean. In most fps, suppressors grant stealth while sacrificing damage. Surpris...
Most FPS dont have mags similar to bbr
What most fps does is irrelevant.
livid olive
were it to be made stealthier, I would suggest heavy recoil penalties.
attachments stats are already fucked imo in terms of recoil, imo some other value like velocity should be dealt with
rancid granite
It wont be if someone is spamming rounds, you'll be able to notice them. It will...
Right now they're already easy to miss at close range especially.
livid olive
👀 Not sure about that one chief, its due to the low ttk. By the time you'll notice tracers from so close, youll be dead anyways
rancid granite
in groups of people who take longer to die it is a major factor
against individuals sure, it'd be niche, but that's not the problem
livid olive
in groups of people, one is usually flanking
rancid granite
your example looks vastly harder to see
livid olive
hitting them from behind or sides
so tracers wont be visible to you if you get hit from behind or outside your aspect ratio
rancid granite
if you're staring into a wall, sure.
livid olive
🛌 I tried
errant basin
i'm pretty sure tracers in this game don't work like they are demonstrated in that vid, probably just one emissive object
rancid granite
there is no visible bullet yeah
livid olive
yeah its an example
very much I've said its not scaled
idk oki asked for example and i didn't know how to get the exact bbr tracer
I just showed what I knew
rancid granite
hard to get a sense of scale since those aren't moving at 700m/s
visual rampart
I'm not seeing it up-coming updates, what the hell.. just that thing were it sounds like someone's covering your ears when you're hit with bullets.
livid olive
I'm not seeing it up-coming updates, what the hell.. just that thing were it sou...
truly we'll never know how oki picks what to add. That muffling is going to be so ass in 127v127
We just gotta wait it out I guess
stiff anchor
it sounds kinda cool tbh
livid olive
in practice, I don't want to get that muffling effect spammed in my ears
would've been nice if it was a ringing effect or limited to explosions
stiff anchor
damn thats crazy
livid olive
@visual rampart I was waiting for your message. Wanted to see what you were going say.
visual rampart
<@280551056134504449> I was waiting for your message. Wanted to see what you wer...
Same.
I guess i was going to say i could live with it if the muffle effect wasn't so strong.
IT's just shorter now, the intensity of it kind of annoying.
livid olive
oh ok
yeah I was just going to say if its too bad he'll just revert it. But I sincerely hope he stops these back and forth changes.
shadow scaffold
truly we'll never know how oki picks what to add. That muffling is going to be s...
he goes to random.org
visual rampart
he goes to random.org
Straight up just does drugs and starts a dev stream and adds something fucking random.
blissful dust
.
errant basin
omg it's the one and only, justice for the as val and honey badger 🥹
icy reef
Help AsVal please🥹
livid olive
😞 why was my message and gif deleted ? @drowsy tapir
drowsy tapir
😞 why was my message and gif deleted ? <@1094582331047678053>
Off-topic to the post
livid olive
It was about oki being here
and also there are other threads where similar messages are seen but kept
blissful dust
in todo list
livid olive
thanks a lot oki
errant basin
livid olive
sturdy abyss
Praise Oki!
Also it would be nice to actually see the to-do list or roadmap
livid olive
probably he may discuss in next devcast ?
velvet thistle
It'd be more interesting to have this effect on the muzzle break or something similar. Giving some attachments the ability to conceal location through tracers while other conceal through reduced sound and muzzle flash. Suppressors are already strong, they don't need to be buffed.
also, reducing the tracers on dmrs is going to push dmr's into the position where snipers were pre nerf. You can let off two shots from a m110 faster than human reaction time, effectively making it an insta kill if you're decent with re-centering your reticle.
What im saying is: if snipers were identified as being obnoxious to play against because they were hard to locate and thus were nerfed by making them easier to locate, then buffing the adjacent weapon class to become harder to locate will cause dmr's to become problematic in the same way snipers were.
icy reef
Or the change applies to HB and AsVal as the stealth guns they should be with permanent suppressors
velvet thistle
Making tracers occur every 3 shots on a weapon that can kill in two is a monumental buff. I play dmr all the time, im fine with a buff. Just pointing out where the issue is going to arise. Good luck finding the guy with no tracer, nearly silent and no flash.
ill just shoot at the ground next to me to waste the tracer round lol
icy reef
Tracer will still exists. Just the thickness of the bullet.
livid olive
@icy reef 👀 not the thickness, just the visual rendering of trail and emission
sturdy abyss
Oki, when
livid olive
knotty ferry
sturdy abyss
Yesterday played on night map with Val, this shit has muzzle flash 😦
livid olive
🛌 catboy suppressors
sturdy abyss
it is just a smoke puff
nope, try it yourself. 0.1 muzzleflash
errant basin
nope, try it yourself. 0.1 muzzleflash
i looked at the stats, i tried it out in the shooting range and i have 3.2k kills on the thing
nothing apart from smoke (and mirrors)
icy reef
I think unless it has 0 muzzle flash, there is a flash. It's a lot less noticeable but it's there when it's a dark area
errant basin
tested it on the shooting range, didn't appear like it
livid olive
haven't noticed it. Might check it with nvg and night mode
errant basin
<:kat:962240983695757312> haven't noticed it. Might check it with nvg and night ...
already did, literally non existent apart from the little smoke puff
visual rampart
oki's new years resolution when?
livid olive
🫃yeah was hoping we'd see a roadmap this weekend
visual rampart
Just praise his upcoming update post, or this won't be added. 
livid olive
bump
livid olive
thats me when I see recon glints
livid olive
happy new years
visual rampart
<:kat:962240983695757312> happy new years
I'm not happy, i hate fireworks.
livid olive
😭 sorry to hear that
visual rampart
😭 sorry to hear that
Thanks that means a lot. 💕
errant basin
omg the community being nice to each other for once 😮
livid olive
🧘 only wholesomeness in my threads
pro inertia and anti inertia peeps voting yes on this
united
errant basin
don't say the word, it disturbs their outer most neurons which appears to be very uncomfortable to them
livid olive
bump
visual rampart
livid olive
that gif goes hard
errant basin
goes hard indeed 💀
livid olive
livid olive
unga bunga
livid olive
@raw dragon vote ny neighbour
errant basin
pov stealth with the as val 🌰 🥥 🥜
livid olive
badump
sturdy abyss
visual rampart
livid olive
sturdy abyss
livid olive
one more vote
sturdy abyss
200!
gray panther
yuh uh
long siren
pl
sturdy abyss
livid olive
long siren
helo
livid olive
hey hello
errant basin
🙃
sturdy abyss
livid olive
will this be added ?
livid olive
in todo list
@peak forge can you confirm ?
long siren
Bro Oki literally said it's in todo list what more do you want
livid olive
Well if its part of the coming update or not
do you know if its part of the coming update ?
peak forge
<@430417529056264192> can you confirm ?
will ask
I'll experiment with that then now, see how it turns up
solemn python
raw dragon