Support Suppression Mechanic

[main crater]

Basically how it works in bf1. There is a good showcase of it on youtube.

In short, it reduces accuracy of suppressed target depending on the range (longer range equals more suppressions) especially against snipers, with significant scope sway increase.

There is already thread made about this but its concept of suppression mechanic is rather poor.

The main role of a lmg is a suppressive fire (google it) and as it currently stands there is no suppression mechanic in game and support weapons are just worse ar's with higher mag capacity.

Support is the weakest class currently, because name of the game is speed, and support defensive capabilities are zero to none to overcome that.

[warm chasm]

Hell let lose does it even better on that regard, check this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccL9andkr-k

[main crater]

Way to extreme for bbr

Bbr is arcady, so best case is like how its made in bf1 in form of a stat reduction

[main crater]

I do like tho

[warm chasm]

Yeah, I can agree on that, but some form of desaturation of colors/ reduction in fov could work for battlebit. Just add in some weapon sway and you can emulate the reduction in precision.

[rapid blaze]

from oki a year ago
"• We could make weapons less accurate but that's bullshit, hitting someone would be purely based on randomization, not skill at that point."
I feel like that statement still applies to suppression.

[main crater]

Its only for supports tho

[warm chasm]

It worked for battlefield because of fewer players, but the reduction in precision is unintuitive and frustrating.

[hot swan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[rapid blaze]

And teams go up to 127 players, with no class limits. I dont want random moments where my bullets just start, going other places

[main crater]

Exact values are to be tested

[main crater]

Its to slow down run and gun cod bs gameplay

[rapid blaze]

"would be purely based on randomization, not skill at that point."

🫡 good luck convincing people this is an enjoyable change.

[main crater]

Again, you are talking about extreme penalties, im talking about moderate effects, like how it is in bf1

[main crater]

H-recoil exist, are yiu ok ? Xd

[rapid blaze]

and bf1 feels terrible to shoot in because your bullets go, random places

[main crater]

Lol, skill issue xd

[rapid blaze]

Yessir

[main crater]

Im a bf1 veteran, there is no issue whatsoever with that

[hot swan]

Suppression if added would highly change the combat of the game so it should be a topic that needs to stay high aware while brought up.

I'll throw in my idea for it though. You know when your blackhawk you're in crashes? After your vision clears from just black, borderline blind and black corners around your screen, then a full waking up from all of it. I think when you're being suppressed it should be leading up to that 2nd phase, black blinding corners around your screen. Although I don't like the idea of like every other game with the suppression where you cant aim for shit and slower cursor moving. Maybe just black corners around your screen would work for battlebit?

[warm chasm]

Yeah that's similar to my idea. Very similar to how it is in HLL(hell let loose)

But Other than the visual indicator I'd add quite a bit of weapon sway and maybe even a movement penalty.

[fringe atlas]

I think suppresion would be fine but only for the Support class and something without randomness like:

• While suppressed your vertical recoil values increase
• You have ADS sway like long ranges scopes (but the bullet still hits exactly where you're aiming)

[main crater]

I think that would be more annoying for average bbr player the moderate accuracy penalty xdd

[hot swan]

yeah thats why I don't like it

[main crater]

I like the idea, but bbr needs something more simple

[hot swan]

I think battlebit still needs to stay in that arcady area

[main crater]

Accuracy works like increased recoil in bbr

[fringe atlas]

The accuracy stat?

[main crater]

Yes, it works like more jumpy recoil

Not your usual random spread

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Which you cannot control

[fringe atlas]

No im pretty sure its random spread but its so small it's hard to tell

Imma go test that right now gimme a second

[main crater]

There is a good show case about stats on youtube

And yeah, its how bullet spread is implemented, as mort jumpy recoil, both h and v

[fringe atlas]

I dont trust youtubers for this. I always double check myself

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Its literally shown, lol

[fringe atlas]

Send a link then please

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You cant test it as before because of recent barrel attachment changes

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https://youtu.be/0XOPx6oB3s4?si=HeRqxwFM83KGoBBj

[warm chasm]

That's exactly what accuracy does everywhere

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Yes, but look at recoil

[main crater]

I did tests my self, its especially noticeable with mid scopes.

[fringe atlas]

Im gonna be real with you man. I cannot see what you're talking about. The bullets just look like they are going offcenter in the clip because of horizontal recoil, they sight moves left while the tracer is still in the air making the bullet look like it hit to the right

[warm chasm]

Correct me if wrong: Vert recoil= how much gun go up when shoot; H-recoil How much gun can go side when shoot; 1st shot kick= Multiplier of the previous for first shot; Spread= degrees a bullet can magically unaling when I shoot somewhere (Ik bullets can deviate irl, and massively given the right circunstance, but the barrel of a gun is straight for a reason)

[main crater]

This is off topic really, so if you really want to know, you need to use mid scopes

[fringe atlas]

Also, weirdly enough, I swear this worked differently back then. I remember using an AK15 with ACOG and seeing the bullets go completely off the mark with barrel attachments that lower accuracy. But I cannot replicate it now

[fringe atlas]

It really looks like bullets are going 100% of the time exactly where they are supposed to

[pallid kiln]

How about while we are at it we also have smg do reduced damage to armor as well, have support also have flat 2-3 damage reduction, reduced recoils slightly across all support guns because they have way too much. Make support guns also have increased accuracy the longer they shoot. Add an effect like in bf1 to the suppression fire so it feels more mil simmy. Oh and make sure that it takes only a few bullets from a support to actually give players this effect. I think it's only fair support gets all of this to bring it up to par with medic sweats and snipers now having 8s of spotting.

[main crater]

Wrong thread, we are only discussing suppression mechanic xd

[pallid kiln]

Nah it's fine I'm talking about suppression as well

[hot swan]

goodbye medic sweats

you were good while you lasted

[pallid kiln]

It needs an on screen effect and should add massive weapon sway

[hybrid juniper]

We aren’t gonna stop beating you just gonna use something different lol

[main crater]

Like ive said, too overwhelming for arcady bbr players

[hybrid juniper]

I agree with a progressive suppression bonus

Like every 25-30 rounds

[pallid kiln]

So no medic can run around enemy support gunfire and be punished for their aggressive playstyle. Play stupid games win stupid prizes I always say

[hot swan]

yeah!!!

take that medic mains!!!

[hybrid juniper]

Steve and I are medic mains

lol

[hot swan]

yeah ik

just playing along the sass

[pallid kiln]

No I'm being serious

[hybrid juniper]

Why tho?

We are serious

[pallid kiln]

Why do you think I'm joking

[hybrid juniper]

I’m 100% deadass

[hot swan]

okay yeah lets do it

[hybrid juniper]

I agree

It’s a good ideas

Better than player collision tbh

[pallid kiln]

Idk about having slow moving screen as well from suppression fire could cause motion sickness but that would be cool too to add the tunneling screen effect like in bf1

[hybrid juniper]

What about like lens bur similar to sniper scope fov in cod ghost when ADS

[pallid kiln]

For med/high level zooms ya for sure

Not for low power tbh cause it won't have much effect, I'd rather it give them massive weapon sway

[hybrid juniper]

Either that or increased spread

[thick mural]

you know I'm not going to read all that but just to reply to the original message, you know bf1 isn't fun right?

[dapper iron]

Fake👎

Cavalry lancer on operations is the best thing you can do

[thick mural]

true very cinematic game tbh

[dapper iron]

Ngl just the cinematic part made me forgive assault players using this bullshit

[eternal light]

So basically reward for bad aim ?

no thanks

[eternal light]

for hardcore, yes good feature

[sleek smelt]

Even just a suppression bonus would be appreciated, though if done right some kind of inaccuracy causes by being suppressed would be cool

[dapper iron]

Tbh lmgs are becoming fine
Even if is slow

I dont see that much reason to give them supression mechanics

Since to do it you really have to consider every situation so it doesnt become either useless or makes everything stale

[sleek smelt]

I think the LMGs are fine, but the LSWs are kinda pointless, especially if we're getting battle rifles now

Suppression might help

[dapper iron]

Good point but though i think it is some of the choices(fal and maybe the ak15) that are going to compete hard with the LSWs because the others have their own thing aiming at
One being a old l86 when it comes to ttk with higher recoil and less bullets per mag(aswell less rpm)
And the ak15 im wanting to understand what the fuck is supposed to be

Though we if get some drum buffs i think both LSWs would be fine since they would be that bridge of BRs and lmgs when it comes to bullet per mag

Also the spectrum that is creating where lmgs are good in holding angles and mid to long range combat more about defense style.
BRS(g3 and scar h) mid range engangement but they have a low bullet per magazine but are more agressive.
And lsws being basically in the center of this spectrum

[sleek smelt]

I see

[cyan jungle]

All it needs to do is reduce control by ~40% and then it would probably be fine.

When Oki finally splits the game it could be ~20% for arcade mode and ~65% for milsim mode?

[warm bough]

not for casual mode.
but for milsim mode it should go full squad

[dapper iron]

ngl if i want to play milsim i would go play project reality

for me i just dont see the appeal with bbr to play a milsim mode that much

but eh it could work

[warm bough]

but a bunch of people can't do that, that's why this game even exists in the first place

[dapper iron]

oh yeah

forgot about those

[warm bough]

oki wanted to play squad but his laptop was too bad

[dapper iron]

dont know how my working laptop can run something like madness projeect nexus or rome 2 total war

it just works

[warm bough]

then picked up programming and a gf, truly the chadest of chad devs

[dapper iron]

oh yeah

the crackhead i bought from an alley said that it had a sdds

and not a hd anymore

[dapper iron]

only some can live life this happy

[warm bough]

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[dapper iron]

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