#FAL at the support

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lofty ledge
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Right now I see a lot of outrage about medics and engineers having certain weapons taken away, like the MP7 and P90. I join this outrage and believe that giving a meta weapon to a non-meta class will not make people play with it. But let's get to my topic.

Is no one confused that the class with the thickest skin that absorbs just a ton of hits now has a weapon with one of the lowest TTKs in the game? I mean, that's absurd. There is no way to outplay this terminator in combat. NO WAY!!! Not unless he forgets how to shoot.

It's another unfair element in a game where everything is tied to your skilling. Just some guy is fatter and does more damage, just because. I'm not even talking about the stormtrooper buff that turned the game into some kind of MMO, amulet + 25 to reload stats. lol. Oops, I'm getting a little carried away. But the hp support pic needs to be looked at URGENTLY! Is it just a dishonest element or am I the only one seeing this?

frank finch
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We just have to prayge we catch the Support player off guard frogpray

lofty ledge
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I'd like to see the in-game stats of those who put "❌" and see their arguments

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It also doesn't confuse anyone that the topic of returning the same FAL to a stormtrooper with ~20 "✅ " immediately influenced OKI's decision and he brought it back. And the topic with a lot of "✅ " on the same problem with mp7 and p90 in medic is ignored

hallow basin
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RPGs and grenades can easily one shot these people and have been since the release of the game

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just cause support getting more weapons don't make them anymore OP than someone that uses tools other than their gun

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overall not really a suggestion but complaining so you're bumping other threads with actual suggestions down

naive cobalt
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Just shoot the support on his legs while he hides his whole body in a wall bro

languid sphinx
hallow basin
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RPG heat one shot

languid sphinx
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Yes, but they also need to fix that as it’s probably bugged dmg (reason that’s the only one anyone uses)

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It’s way better than fragmentation rpg for sure dk about other load

hallow basin
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RPGs shouldn't 1shot someone when hit in the face?

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yeah okay bye

languid sphinx
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Not what I said at all but okay go be delusional elsewhere

knotty fjord
languid sphinx
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New update: hitscsn rpgs

knotty fjord
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i give it a week after the patch hits and people gonna complain about literal terminators roaming around the maps 2 shotting everything that comes across them

languid sphinx
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A week is already too long

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Would be first couple hours of patch going live

knotty fjord
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whole of cateat should just play support fal to show the issue KEKW

languid sphinx
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Don’t leak out free weekend strat

knotty fjord
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sorry sorry

hallow basin
knotty fjord
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bro what

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we talking about the ttk of a GUN not c4 or grenades, thats a different topic now is it

languid sphinx
knotty fjord
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tankiest class gets the strongest weapon ttk wise
how can you not see the problem

hot matrix
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because armor/gun ttk is the only balancing concerns. so much whining by people who don't consider the whole picture. Slow ads, slow movement, no way to repair armor, low mag count.

hot matrix
languid sphinx
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Slow ads and slow movements are trade off for the armor, nobody can repair armor and you can replenish ammo

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wtf are you taking about it’s bad

knotty fjord
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slow ads and slow movement just means you gotta get positioning right and you will rip through people with the fal

hot matrix
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so play the fucking game? yeah, you do gotta do that

knotty fjord
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clownsken i cant

knotty fjord
hot matrix
flint gorge
hot matrix
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Oh shit

languid sphinx
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Ggwp

flint gorge
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I HEARD 1200 RPM OF PURE, UNADULTRATED DAKKA!

languid sphinx
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It’s over

flint gorge
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When MG3?

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anyhow I do like the fact this one isn't remove all BRs from support

hallow basin
# hallow basin overall not really a suggestion but complaining so you're bumping other threads ...

Having a weapon that's good for mid/longish range for a class that's slow as shit makes sense as that class is still outclassed by other classes in terms of movement and or tactics.
Tactics as in: An Engineer wouldn't need to engage a support class that has a high TTK weapon (i.e fal as this suggestion provides) if that said engineer employees simple tactics like using a grenade, c4, or his RPG to kill that target which has weapons that could outmatch him in that field of close ish range. (im going to exclude medic here cause he shouldn't be able to survive an encounter with a support class) Assault (if he's smart enough) would use flashes or teamwork with other classes like medic to flush out a support thats holding a certain position. Also Assault will be used WAY more for flanking to due him getting weapons for that field.
Movement as in support can't do lone wolf tactics like flanking as he isn't fast enough or is his class optimized for such fields. Could he do a flanking maneuver? Yes but as many support class mains and I tried. You don't really last that long.

TLDR: The OP and depressed veteran aren't really providing good counter update arguments and should still be seen as complaining as they seem to not have played Support at all enough to know what its like to play one.

languid sphinx
hot matrix
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typical non response from you

lofty ledge
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As written above, what does this have to do with c4 RPG and stuff.

Let's imagine a situation that everyone will have and has had. You, without sprint go in, support comes in from the other side, you see each other and BOOM. You have zero chance of beating him. Just 0 out of 100. The guy is bigger than you, the guy has the same punch as you or even stronger.

How does it help you in that situation that he's slower and has less ammo? Which is a joke, because he can give himself ammo.

languid sphinx
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Gotta read this fucking post first

lofty ledge
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It's a disgusting balance that makes the game not fair and to give other unfair examples, it's manipulation, why add such stupid things

hot matrix
hallow basin
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use corner checking? you got E and Q for a reason

lofty ledge
hot matrix
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are you? do you think a slow, armored enemy should be at a disadvantage to a faster, less armored player?

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in a one v one

knotty fjord
languid sphinx
# hallow basin Having a weapon that's good for mid/longish range for a class that's slow as shi...

Saying that support is slow at this point is beating a dead horse. We know…

You are choosing a class that has more armor and in return you move slower. Same tradeoff happen(ed) for medic, smg and no armor makes you move fast but with no armor… it’s a trade off

I can see your point about tactics, but practicing and engaging on your “tactics” isn’t exclusive to just the after mentioned roles. Throwing flashes or using utility to counter you isn’t a bad thing is how the game works, everything needs balance which I think you fail to accept

hallow basin
lofty ledge
hallow basin
hot matrix
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so exactly what the support should be (for all of one engagement with the armor). so you're basically just admitting you don't like the class

lofty ledge
hallow basin
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not really a good reponse as it seems you're trying to open a whole new topic and not really have any good counter arguments to the points I made

languid sphinx
hot matrix
lofty ledge
hot matrix
hallow basin
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^ yeah what I was about to say

languid sphinx
hallow basin
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you pick medic to heal people not giving yourself a healing box so you can lone wolf all game

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you pick support for frontline combat to hold lines and give ammo to move that line

knotty fjord
hot matrix
languid sphinx
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Yea one will be more popular but one class can’t be supreme leader and others shit just not how game balance work

hallow basin
languid sphinx
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Yes

hot matrix
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pls provide

hallow basin
knotty fjord
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aiming for the head is the worst possible response when fighting a support 🤡 good suggestion man

languid sphinx
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I can’t post links lol

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Here is the ttk sheet, stats are without armor btw

hallow basin
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its not a suggestion? its a option to have a better chance to kill someone with good armour

languid sphinx
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Imagine that ttk with 150%

knotty fjord
lofty ledge
# hallow basin you pick medic to heal people not giving yourself a healing box so you can lone ...

But, surprize, you can't be that wolf, as you need ammo from slashing, and maintain your healing. It's a balancing act.

It's about balancing classes, and we have a situation like in the same СS, terrorists only have 300 lives vs 150 for counter-terrorists and their AK kills with 2 bullets to the body. Counter-terrorist can also take Kalash, but the difference in khp will not take away, so he simply has no chance against the enemy.

hallow basin
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I mean like I said before use tactics other than your gun

knotty fjord
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aiming for head against supports exo helmet is the worst thing you can do

hallow basin
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okay yeah

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this thread is over

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aiming for head is a bad idea?

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ya

hot matrix
knotty fjord
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learn to read please, im not saying aiming for the head in general is bad

hallow basin
languid sphinx
hot matrix
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you're mental if you think a support with armor shouldn't be able to survive 1 engagement and that it will break the game.
thread really is over, you guys are clowns

languid sphinx
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Can’t come up with logic other than telling me I’m wrong so he stop talking lol

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Nice way to defend your class

lofty ledge
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@languid sphinx @knotty fjord guys, I'm gonna have to leave you guys in this fight, I gotta go to work, but I believe in our cause.

hot matrix
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i can't logic you out of a position you didn;t logic your way into. what's the point of armor?

languid sphinx
flint gorge
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I assume this is a old one

languid sphinx
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I don’t have newest one if there is more accurate you can find

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This was at launch

flint gorge
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Ah, fair

knotty fjord
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@hallow basin stop giving people the clown reaction if you cant even read in the first place mate

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says enough about you cant lie

languid sphinx
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True

knotty fjord
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reading comprehension is difficult but at least you can find the emote
you probably enjoy images in books a lot

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hallow basin
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If you played support you would know proning a lot will give you the advantage of showing all front armour (so you can last longer). Support's job is to hold and push with frontlines (giving ammo and throwing down ammo kits etc). Yet again thread over

sweet pelican
hallow basin
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ya'll don't play support nor know anything about it

knotty fjord
hallow basin
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I'm answering to why I answered to you saying "aiming for head against support exo helement is the worst thing you can do" and if you actually read what I said YOU WOULD NOW KNOW YOU CANT AIM FOR LEGS ALL THE TIME

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THREAD OVER AS IN YOU NOR THE OP DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SUPPORT

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THUS NO ONE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU

knotty fjord
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funny how all the non medic players seem to know so much about medic while they dont even play it
definitely not looking at all the support mains complaining about medic all the time BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
meanwhile us medics have no clue about support

nice hypocrite moment

hallow basin
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100% came to battlebit discord to complain

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wasn't jsut support mains but people who played the game and gave feedback

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people who played assault aswell medic class made suggestions regarding the medic loadout meta and wanted it adjusted

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blocked btw

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thread over

knotty fjord
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HAHAHA

flint gorge
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I can tell this will be a odd week

lofty ledge
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The humor is that the topic isn't medicare or support specifically at all. It's about the fact that a guy, be it a sniper, an old commander, a pink pony with a machine gun, call it what you want, just has more health than you. ON DEFOLT. MORE HEALTH BOTH SKULL AND BODY!

He's holding either the same item as you or better than you (unless you're holding a FAL, which is pretty common, don't you think?).

When you meet him, do you predict the future? Do you let RPG, c4 into every room first, asking if you're there who? All things being equal, this body will destroy you and eat you. YOU DON'T STAND A CHANCE! You're a little girl in his eyes, and he's a huge big guy.

That's NOT BALANCE.

The balance of his armor is his movement, where is the balance of his tons of damage then? Take away one of his eyes. Then it's balance, or take away his aim button, why not? Then he won't be able to do as much damage. Doesn't that sound like bullshit? So do the examples with the c4 rpg, shooting him in the head, because he, surprise surprise, HAS THE SAME OPTIONS WITHIN YOU!

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He can do everything you do in a 1-on-1 shootout, only better. He's got grenades, too, flash. He can blind you, too. That's way beyond a one-on-one confrontation. It's a game situation. It's NORMAL! But when the situation is supposed to be equal, with no additional factors, it's gonna eat you!

flint gorge
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I will make a mention with the full exo idea people keep tossing around

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keep in mind the ADS penalties as well

lofty ledge
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I'm 100% sure this will come up after the patch and everyone will come here and whine "hamster was right, hamster saw it coming and you gave him minuses"

lofty ledge
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I'm talking about a level playing field in a one-on-one, you're always giving me "what if it's like this, what if it's like this". You yourself attribute things to me that I did not say, argue with them and pretend to win the argument. It's an ingenious move

languid sphinx
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This is pulling the data live from Game files

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I can even damage scale the ttk for armor too

novel sable
olive trout
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I read above and I do love the idea of the counter play to fal support is pray you aren't the first or second person he fights

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Imagine Collison is hard stopping people so you just run into a proned man who deletes your kneecaps

little minnow
real stone
thorny seal
little minnow
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Yeah wait how the fuck wasn't this an issue when we had 3 shot l86

real stone
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It was considered a good weapon and no one bat an eye

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It is either that there were so few support players using it that you never couldnt notice

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Or it isnt a problem and people are just overreacting

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I feel like the entire argument against fal on support just got demolished by geting a old weapon as a example and i find it quite funny ngl

hazy finch
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I'm pretty happy that I'm going to have more options with the class I actually want to play, tbh.

real stone
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A big boom on the support population

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Close to being extinct

hazy finch
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I felt like a t-rex for a bit there yeah.

lofty ledge
lofty ledge
real stone
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Yet i never saw someone talk about how op support was with it

little minnow
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If I remember there were more people asking for it back

real stone
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And hey support players were the rarest stuff to find even with it

lofty ledge
real stone
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Still old l68 was faster in ttk

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We already had an example of a weapon that was basically better than the fal in ttk and we wouldnt see people complaining about how op it is on support

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In fact we would see people talking more how bad he was and outgunned by basically everything in this game

lofty ledge
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If we're talking about the scorpion, it's ok balanced because of the recoil, it's hard to shoot, the fal is more versatile, it's not about the FAL being an imba, it's accuracy suffers. It's about a fat guy with a supergun pissing on your face and you can only cry in response.

real stone
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Different times and balances yeah but it still shows how little value exo armour outside of helmet gives when you arent able to reposition yourself and or run away with the same efficiency as other classes because movement speed in this game is king

lofty ledge
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Oh, my God. Why do you make up situations like this, what if this, what if this. One-on-one confrontation. That's it. No chance. Period. I'm talking about the fact that a guy like that has an advantage from the get-go, from birth.

hot matrix
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only he is able to make up situations for his argument

novel sable
fervent obsidian
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I assume somebody already brought up the whole "only the first one-on-one" thing? A lot of the dedicated Support players don't even take Exo armor because it's not worth it.

real stone
# lofty ledge Oh, my God. Why do you make up situations like this, what if this, what if this....

Because we are not talking about a 1v1 gamemode where you cant get chipped away by snipers, tanks and explosives
Most of the time you will only kill one guy and than be in the same level as anyone around you in terms of survivability
You guys keep bringing this about making up situations when 1v1s are the most rare situation you will run up at in a game with more than 64 players or more, with the same chance of running into a 1v1 with no armour

lofty ledge
# hot matrix only he is able to make up situations for his argument

I'm bringing the situation clean, no water, in a vacuum.

Your arguments and situations, I'd do this, I'd do that. throw a flush, use a rpg. Yeah, it'll work, but in its purest form, throwing away all the unnecessary support with a flail will destroy you. I'd take a peak around the corner, meet your eyes, you're dead.

little minnow
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The exo support has slower ADS, worse movement, and the same gun as the other guy. If the gun is unbalanced, nerf the gun. If the armor is unbalanced, nerf the armor. This exclusionary stuff is stupid

lofty ledge
lofty ledge
little minnow
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The difference in ttk can also be eaten up by ping so?

hot matrix
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bro just wants an i win button and for class traits not to apply when he faces them. just stop arguing

lofty ledge
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Why ruin a weapon that's fine just because it went to a guy who can't be shot at because of his armor?

naive cobalt
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Slower ads and movement are not a negative thing for a support player proned behind structures or peaking already in ads

lofty ledge
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I want the game to be fair with everyone and not give an advantage to anyone

little minnow
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If a gun and armor combo are so problematic something went wrong down the line

naive cobalt
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Support is already Very strong, fal is going to push it over

lofty ledge
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In short, an addition will be released and let's see who was right. And don't complain later that these guys humiliate you in a shootout

real stone
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And again

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All of this argument about fal falls short when the l86 existed

naive cobalt
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If someone says support is bad you straight up suck at the game Sorry

real stone
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I mean in what situation is he good at

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Or better than other classes
In 1v1s as in right now you suck when exo armour doesnt help unless you are positioned and prone with every class can do it

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In medium ranges ARs dmrs and hell even smgs can trade with you

lofty ledge
real stone
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Ngl fal falls sounds like a pun and i dont like it

real stone
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With had a faster ttk than fal

lofty ledge
real stone
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Losing just 5 digits to the scorpion

real stone
languid sphinx
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Current stats for FAL no attachments at 100hp base (this stat was pulled from game files)

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real stone
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Nor even good
You would still see anything but support

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Just like 2 to 5 in the whole match

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But to be short after writing an essay of words against my fellows in the internet

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Just give it a chance and if it doesnt work just remove the fal

proper fog
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OP doesn't even play support and it shows

real stone
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We are in a ealry access after all

lofty ledge
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Oh, now everyone will heal faster on their own, and the support staff can give themselves bandages. It's not as mobile as a medic, but still. Ooh. + armor + fal. nice combo

real stone
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Support mains dont exist

proper fog
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true, we have all stopped playing due to lack of love

real stone
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My 24/7 support matches are just a form of torture and satsifation

thorny seal
languid sphinx
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With how things are looking now I wouldn’t be on the edge of your seat for a next update

real stone
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Yeah

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I Always dont hype myself to anything lately

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Tried that and i get disappointed at the end lmao

thorny seal
real stone
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Did i heard a rock and stone?

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And as always

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I main gunner lmao

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Can you see a pattern i have when playing games if i can chosee a lmg

naive cobalt
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A gun fight with support is awful, if you aim at their Head and chest you lose. Its bad design, ofc people dont like it

real stone
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Tbh i would only agree on that if they could refill armour

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I had won fights against both supportd qith exo and not with a ump and i came on top

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The only time i called bullshit is when shooting at their backs

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The armour tends to block alot more than from the front

real stone
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Just so i could trow a grenade next time or flank him
Or forget about it and move on

thorny seal
naive cobalt
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Yea killing someone shooting their Toes is what a game should aim

thorny seal
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suggestion: add dying of pain and shock (realistic!!!!!!)

/s

languid sphinx
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You have no major arteries in your foot and it’s mostly bone and connective tissue