#Put mp7, p90, Honey badger, pp2000 back on medic, remove all BR's from support.

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rocky ermine
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This is still a case of you being okay with people picking medic and lone-wolfing when you yourself said you pick assault (main it) so why is this a problem for you

fiery hatch
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You know how to fix that?

Look at any battlefield, go full casual and make the classes work in their own unique ways instead of just being
Assault
Assault but infinite heal
Assault but RPG

Only recon and support are unique enough to differentiate themselfs from the other 3

rocky ermine
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That's what I don't get with a lot of these people, They always forget that people who pick support or recon have to do their job due to loadouts

fiery hatch
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EXACT-FUCKING-TLY

rustic sierra
fiery hatch
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Also, I'll say that those 2 classes are more fun thanks to how they work

rocky ermine
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Yeah. Support is really fun cause I actually get buffs in holding an area and laying down LMG fire.

rustic sierra
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100s of times I died withing 20m of friendlies and now almost no picks anyone up, might aswell just remove bleed out at this point.

fiery hatch
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I mean, that's why I say the game should go full casual? Bleeding has no business being in this game, unless they add milsim mod, remove it from casual

rustic sierra
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Joe here loves to talk about people "lone-wolfin" but its worse now after these latest changes

rocky ermine
rustic sierra
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But he's just happy its assault doing it not medic like it makes a difference..

fiery hatch
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Well, yeah, it's good, because now you know you will not get rezzed! Before you had 30 medics running over your corpse, clearly seeing the "hold 3 to revive" 😂

mystic falcon
rustic sierra
fiery hatch
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And that's good, because know only those who want to rezz and heal will play medic

Assault is working as intended

rustic sierra
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You think having many people who might do it < having a few who will

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Ya you're pointless to argue with if u can't see how this works. Actually the most braindead take I've heard

fiery hatch
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Sure buddy, whatever that makes you sleep at night

marsh spruce
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Since the advantages of medical soldiers have been completely eliminated

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Why not create adrenaline and torso damage

rustic sierra
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Since everyone can do it faster themselves now?

marsh spruce
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Are medical soldiers positioned as riflemen in Squad

fiery hatch
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How to fix bandage healing problem:

  • Remove bleeding and bandages
  • Add another way of healing (like injections)
  • Add defibrilator (better rezz)
  • Make healing bag heal in area when trhown instead of the way that works already
rustic sierra
jovial flame
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"Make healing bag heal in area when trhown instead of the way that works already" 💀

fiery hatch
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Already made a similar suggestion here 1 month ago and had more likes thank dislikes, so yeah

rustic sierra
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Didn't ask.

fiery hatch
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Awww, someones a lil mad

jovial flame
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Stay on topic or i am going to call the mods.

marsh spruce
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In fact, this game is still developing in the direction of simplicity and speed

marsh spruce
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Otherwise, there will be a situation where resurrection is more efficient, and everyone will choose to give up when they fall to the ground

fiery hatch
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True

marsh spruce
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This has become the path of squad

rustic sierra
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But it seems that what people want in here so w.e

marsh spruce
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You can change your mindset and not change the existing resurrection mechanism, but after giving up rebirth, the current character will only have limited resources

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This way, the support troops will also become effective

rustic sierra
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Someone plays squad lol

marsh spruce
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yeah，
Choose quick rebirth, but after resurrection, there are only four magazines and two bandages.

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The key is that even if resurrected quickly, it is impossible to empty these four magazines during intense fighting

rustic sierra
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I wouldn't even be opposed to that, but shitters in here would never

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This game was better in its release day state when no one could heal themselves (other than medic)

marsh spruce
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If we can empty two magazines, it means our teammates have provided adequate support

fiery hatch
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That needs to go the the milsim mode, casual needs other type of balance

rustic sierra
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You realize that oki wanted a blend of the 2, right?

fiery hatch
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He said other classes will never heal themselves, and here we are

  • milsim mode next year hopefully
rustic sierra
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U should try phantom forces, i thinks its more up ur alley. You wouldn't have to spend as much time making braindead suggestions

fiery hatch
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Awww, someones still a lil mad, want a cookie? 🍪

rustic sierra
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Yis pls

fiery hatch
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🫱 🍪 take it

gloomy roost
unkempt mango
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What is happening

marsh spruce
marsh spruce
crisp kindle
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Revert back bandage speed changes then add the medkit nerf, and iirc you cant self heal as medic if you arent bleeding so you are basically stuck with it, before the changes it was basically faster to heal with the med bag.
What this would do is make so the survivability of medics as run annd gun be diminished but he would basically have a good variety of weapons but still not be as good as assault on that front, because basically the problem with medic before was the weapons combined with the survivability with together just surpassed assault and took its role
The gun removal was a solution but for me not a good one
The random bandage changes it was basically out of nowhere and fucked the class more than it should

quiet swift
gloomy roost
# quiet swift whisper medic 😎

Honestly I’ve seen someone do this and I had no hesitation rezing them KEKW

Just don’t paint a giant “I’m stupid” marker on your back and im sure any decent medic will go for the rez

unkempt mango
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Yeah it sucks when you’re basically letting the enemy know I’m there

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Like hey, dumbfuck, I can see that you’re dead I AM LITERALLY ON TOP OF YOU GIVE ME A FUCKING MOMENT

brave frigate
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i prefer it that way personally, assault should be the top frag class not the medic

mystic falcon
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it also doesn't give people the false hope that the assault running into the fight is gonna pick them up

tribal pecan
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personally i think the medic class should be primary carbines, smgs, and personal defense weapons

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giving the medics all the more powerful weapons is kind of one of the problens woth the class balancing and why nobody uses assault

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and in games in general, i usually think of a medic with a bizon, p90 or other smgs in general

mystic falcon
tribal pecan
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fr, idk why but the first thing i think of when i think smg, is a bizon, but mp5 is kinda classic

grand widget
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Wall of text but whatever.

The reality is this like it or not: people are picking assault a lot of the time because they have PDW's. I pick medic or assault depending on the gun and play style I want to use at that point in time.

If I'm going to use a PDW, I'll make it a run-it-down class. If I want to use an AR I always choose medic ranger to live longer. With certain smg's that are on both, I havent decided yet. I do run out bandages every once and a while. And no, people aren't running around looking for bandages in ammo boxes most of the time.

I do see more variety now. Just the top fraggers (have seen all classes even snipers) are going to pick the gun and playstyle that fits them. People are always going to bitch about something.

Also one more thing, I do find it funny no one bitches that supports almost never using the auto-refill. I don't care. I just find irony in things like that.

brave frigate
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its because 90% ofvthe time people respawn before they run out of ammo

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i use the refill a lot myself but alot of the time its a medic or engie with no armor running the speed of light compared to me and they dont stop. i wish support coukd just self resupply but thats a topic for another channel

unkempt mango
brave frigate
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u are the 10%

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and you are welcom to my ammo anytime c:

unkempt mango
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i mean even that is a moot point now

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because HB on Assault means Ammo Kit, so I have no excuse to be running outta ammo with my baby

tribal pecan
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I used to use honey badger, but since it has such a fast firerate and not enough ammo, i had to push really fast gameplay so i could get killed, so i switched to the m4a1

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but now i snipe, since i have the maximum velocity possible on my m200, i normally dont get killed and sonce im alone i have to take a supply drop

grand widget
brave frigate
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what the hell are u talking about

grand widget
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"People respawn before they run out of ammo" What the hell are you talking about?

ruby rapids
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What?

grand widget
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I see what you're saying now. You're saying 90% of the time people die before emptying all their ammo. I guess the other 10% of the time ppl are just fucked.

pure vine
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The other 10% of the time they should have brought an ammo kit

grand widget
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Ah it's on them. Gotcha...

pure vine
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Well, kinda ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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You have a choice in this game on how much ammo you want to bring. Ammo comes with sacrifice elsewhere. If you choose too little, that’s on you

idle echo
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give back p90

grand widget
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¯_(ツ)_/¯ I guess that's bandages are for

ruby rapids
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What how did we get to bandages now

pure vine
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Same logic applies to bandages I guess. Though you can’t get the best of both worlds on that without playing support

ruby rapids
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True

pure vine
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(Well, not the best, but you won’t see support players running out of bandages basically ever)

unkempt mango
grand widget
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Asval erm

grand pasture
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Idk what the fuck to call it ok 😭

bronze bloom
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nyooom

gilded moat
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b a d i d e a

granite meteor
gilded moat
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medic got nerfed well and he wants it back?

grand pasture
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Tfw 416 quick mag has 24 rounds

fathom reef
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clukay my beloved

grand pasture
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Mf

fathom reef
scarlet sand
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I just prestiged again and with the unlock system medic feels terrible with the lack of guns

grand widget
grand widget
scarlet sand
grand widget
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If you aren't, not trying to be a dick. You just never know. Ump is great gun. Ak74 is a great gun. M4 is even a good gun. Use them until u unlock more

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Also with the attachments staying unlocked it's not such a big deal

scarlet sand
grand widget
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Well, what did you have before the class changes? Mp7? Ak15 came a little after which u can still use

scarlet sand
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Certain classes used to feel this more but with the changes medic is alot less relevant. Especially for its intended purposes

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Not really relevant to the topic but kinda

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Uhhh I guess I'm just used to having access to more weapons and variety

bronze bloom
grand widget
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I'd have to see when everything unlocked to see if I agreed in the first place but moon is right.

scarlet sand
humble forum
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this steve guy smart

craggy snow
crisp kindle
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Yeah
It does actually make the simplest class and with one goal actually be popular for once

novel pasture
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buff badger

marble dust
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Atleast put the pp2000 back

verbal shale
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Bring back all the smgs to medic man, and the HB

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Either take them all away or none of them. It's just really confusing for players otherwise (like me). If I have the asval I should have the HB.

mystic falcon
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no need for aggressive medic

verbal shale
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That's what I'm saying. If you want to remove that playstyle then remove ALL the smgs. Don't just remove my baby the pp2k, the hb, and the mp7 😭

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Like, either remove all ars from medic or all smgs. Don't do this weird middleground. Tell me how you want me to play it. Also add all smgs to recon please

rocky ermine
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So you don't want medic to be able to kill?

pure vine
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that's not what they said.

verbal shale
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Reading comprehension is not the bbr communities strongsuit

wild horizon
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Its joelus dw

native charm
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It’s not as if Medic doesn’t have high-mobility CQB weapons in their armory.

The UMP, Vector, Groza, HK419, MP5, FAMAS, AS VAL, and FAL are a thing.

grand pasture
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Val 😭

wild horizon
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nah saying Val is crazy

craggy snow
verbal shale
mystic falcon
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it has every smg tho

craggy snow
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It has the entire smg classifiied weapons (and not being treated like old assault where assault only partially got a weapon class)

ripe sphinx
native charm
ripe sphinx
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They're just Normal mobility. Default if you will.

native charm
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Point is, Medic still has strong options for fast-moving CQB (UMP, Vector, MP5, Short Mag FAL), and infinite health with 20 bandaids is a fairly powerful long-term sustainment tool.

ripe sphinx
# native charm Point is, Medic still has strong options for fast-moving CQB (UMP, Vector, MP5, ...

Ump is like 6-7/10 at best, Vector a 6, mp5 is low mid tier like 4-5/10, and you're getting your attachments wrong, its quick mag FAL that everyone uses. The 'infinite health' does not even see play in 99% of cases so its not an argument. Bandages though I can agree make no sense, cause ive never used more than 10 in my life of playing. Idk how you're playing or why your viewpoint is that medic even remotely survives a long time but I play aggressive and none of which you pointed out there is relevant to my play, or anyone's that is pressing their W key.

jovial flame
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Extra bandages are for teammates

ripe sphinx
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I can get other folks in here with my playstyle that will tell you the infinate health thing or 20 bandages is not something thats being 'abused' cause its not even really used to its full potential. Nobody is even surviving that long.

jovial flame
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Honestly the healing can be nice because you can heal less hp with no flat time investment, but the effect of that is waaay overstated.

ripe sphinx
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Yeah its only ever seen in play as a top off from stray shots or someone shooting way too late before you make it to a safe spot and getting 1-2 hits on you

native charm
# ripe sphinx Ump is like 6-7/10 at best, Vector a 6, mp5 is low mid tier like 4-5/10, and yo...

I specifically mentioned short mags since the prior argument was that some of the guns I listed didn't have high move speed. Hence, short mags. Though I think quick mags is the more common option. The only time I have seen 20 bandages get blown was the streets of Namak or the tunnels of Frugis. Then again, most of my experience is 127v127 Conq fighting these cracked hat and light armor medics as an assault main.

It seems our experiences are very, very different, though I don't think everyone who was a cracked SMG medic pressed their W key was quite nearly as reckless as you. Aggressive by any measure, sure, but not reckless. They tended to use their mobility and speed to get flanks, where you can expect to get occasional return fire and stray sniper bullets. The luxury of being able to top off health with no drawbacks instead of debating whether to burn one of your bandages to top off your health or save it for later and enter the fight with less than full health cannot be understated.

ripe sphinx
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Idk where you're finding these players in your conquest games but tell them to come over to dom and frontline cause its much better over here.

native charm
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I don't find them. They find me.

ripe sphinx
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Usually the case when they're being much more mobile

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I never stop holding W unless its to bandage or heal (sometimes) you would never see me in a building just holding down a flag. When i play conquest and we capture something i instantly suicide to go push where the most likely spot people are spawning in

native charm
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Yeah these medics do use things like shoot from cover once in awhile, terrain and foliage to conceal their approach, hide in corners to annoy the shit out of your team, and heal all the suckers who didn’t pick medic.

pure vine
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FAL short mag gets some mobility I guess

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that just gives you too few bullets to work with though imo

languid pendant
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UMP more like a 7.5
vector I agree its a 6

scarlet sand
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Ump fires 2 slow

pure vine
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It really doesn’t

languid pendant
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its still kills pretty quick

pure vine
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One of the quickest versus unarmoured opponents

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Firerate only has a small impact that isn’t represented by raw ttk

scarlet sand
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Want gun go brrrrrrrr

scarlet sand
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Guns back on medic or we riot.

bronze bloom
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how u gonna riot without your guns

scarlet sand
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I'm gonna jump off a roof and dropshot u too

bronze bloom
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ur gonna pancake

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and itll be rly funny and we will all laugh in prox voip

scarlet sand
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That's a form of bullying

native charm
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I forgot to mention the Medic still got the Scorpion EVO lmao

strange compass
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damn nerf medic he has scorpion evo most used gun in the game

languid pendant
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XD

unkempt mango
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Groza…

brave frigate