Please Oki don't remove the the battle rifles (Fal, Scar, Ak15 etc) from assault..

[junior holly]

Edit: STAFF REPLIED THIS HAS BEEN REVERTED 🥳🎉

The small passives that Assault class comes with really made these guns feel a lot less clunky (especially the increased reload speed with only 20 round mags).
Please don't take them from my favorite class.. Also I know Assault needs some love but SMG weren't really the answer to help the class.
Keep your meta weapons I just want my Scar H..😩

[dusk saddle]

really a weird flex to give battle rifles to all classes BUT the assault

[dusky oar]

this change seems so ass-backwards, BR's were meant for assault

[brave topaz]

from what I have seen, assault seems to be going that CQC route

[junior holly]

Ikr?? Like why not just have them for every class at that point? And they gave us Smgs instead.. 😒 I just wanna enjoy pushing the front line with my AK15/Scar. The reload/ads buff is soo needed with these guns.

[wooden ether]

no more fal for assault? :(

[manic quiver]

Done

#dev-wip

[granite ginkgo]

Pretty cool how the design process consists of Oki coming up with wack ass changes nobody asked for and then having the community shout at him until he hopefully gets it right

[uncut forge]

Recon needs something to make it justify taking Battle Rifles. There is nothing, even one less bandage, Recon doesn't have a passive - Medic has Ranger armor too, Assault has Ammo Box/Grappling hook and both have actual armor if needed. Any reason why you would take a BR as Recon over any other class? Same with DMRs where Assault seems to have all but more compared to Recon. The only thing I can think of is Ranger Armor and Grappling hook - but, thats very niece.

[granite ginkgo]

Drone for versatile flanking

It's still very underwhelming compared to what everyone else can do

[uncut forge]

I mean, now that bandaging is buffed, Recons passive could allow every shot (except from vehicles) to inflict bleeding, regardless of damage 👀

[hushed wind]

Take BRs away from Medic and give them back to Assault.
Medic already has too much power on the field, and is the most used class for a reason.

[cobalt beacon]

I'm fine with this if medic gets access to they Guns they are taking away

[junior holly]

Bless the Bb team 😭🙏

Please Oki don't remove the the battle rifles (Fal, Scar, Ak15 etc) from assault..

[wraith nimbus]

just leave a negative review on steam, this guys is absolutely decided to make any class other than medic unplayable.

[brave topaz]

How??

he literally buffed up Support, & assault, as well as adding BRs back to assault & dmrs to engineers

[manic quiver]

You haven’t even played the new update yet….

Usually you play a game before leaving a negative review about it no?

[dusk saddle]

Imo medic shouldn't have access to battle rifles or assault rifles

Keep them to close range with the smgs and pdws

[stuck solar]

I think ARs and PDWs are fine, SMGs were always out of place with that class tbh

[dusky oar]

This

Mind is blown that medic who's supposed to be frontline is losing tons of guns

[sour crown]

imo they change stuff that does not need to be changed lolin: medic is overpowered? lets make other classes even less likely to be played!

[dusky oar]

and oki just placed mp7 into the PDW category, no game i can recall has ever placed that gun in that category. So i feel like its frankly just wrong and just spitting in the face of players like myself.

[strong bear]

My first thought was to disagree with you but honestly, the mp7 is much more of an SMG in this game.
Btk suffers aginst armor: ✅
Fast movespeed: ✅
Short damage drop-off range: ✅
High fire rate: ✅

If they wanted to make it kinda realistic then they could up the dmg to 28(enough to 4sk aginst light armor), increase its recoil a little bit, and maybe worsen something else a little

[dusky oar]

I wish i knew how in depth oki really is taking this on a 'realism stats' kinda vibe. Somethings in the game are just totally unrealistic, the graphics ect. but the guns and way the game is played is pretty real to life. I wish there was just consistency.

[strong bear]

Or they could reduce the dmg to 24, significantly reduce the recoil, increase the velocity to be realistic, increase the damage drop-off range up by ~50m

[dusky oar]

Game can be two things, arcade/mil sim, and be fine, just cant make changes to the consistency of things.

[dusky oar]

the guns at some point should just do 0 damage. But to be on topic its just silly that any of these 'classes' are restricted when they're perfectly reasonable.

[sour crown]

imo: damage drop-off should not be a thing

[strong bear]

SMGs would be absolutely broken then

[strong bear]

Imagine getting beamed by a pp2k at 200m.
I could get behind Increasing the damage drop-off range by ~25% for all guns except DMRs & sniper rifles though.

[sour crown]

#1138742525440565258 message

second paragraph, until "if the developers [...]"

that would be my written-out opinion

[weary orbit]

To be fair, Oki is adding "wack ass" ideas from the community that no one in suggestions downvote and the majority upvote. Then when the idea is greenlit the NIMBYs wake up and cry

[errant sinew]

I don't think people understand that when a game is in EA the devs of said game will be listening to game feedback and suggestions all the time?

If you aren't involved in that process and expect your one and only playstyle you main to NOT change at all during the EA phase then I actually don't know what to tell ya

[weary orbit]

I'm just happy they stopped listening to whatever playerbase they were listening to prior, and started listening to discord which contains their most active community.

[errant sinew]

literally

like all these people who are telling Oki to revert some or even ALL changes that discord people been asking for months and get mob votes due to people not liking a few balance changes just doesn't seem fair to the people that been in here the longest and actually love giving feedback

[weary orbit]

I don't mind the crying as much as I do changes being reverted before they even make it in. We're reverting changes because of rare, or even non existent issues that people are theorizing. THEORIZING. and most of the time its slippery slope or whataboutist arguments. not even evidence backed. (This change being reverted i don't have an issue with. guns are guns and i don't generally believe they make up a classes identity)

[errant sinew]

Yeah I can dig this change being reverted as well it's just as you said though many other changes people are trying to revert clearly are being countered with theorizing, hypotheticals and the whataboutism which I dont really like at all in suggestion threads.

[knotty wraith]

That ain't completely true, you gotta give the man props for trying out different things to keep the game more engaging and also still somewhat balanced.

He may have some wacky ideas but the man at least listens to the community!

[granite ginkgo]

Listening to the community isn't inherently a good thing if the process for doing so is not well-structured. See quote below from the head designer of MtG

[errant sinew]

The only thing I can see the community messed up on was the whole randomized map selection thing. I'm sure everyone thought it was a good idea cuase why would anyone want to play the same map over and over again right? Well after it was added it killed servers left and right and probably added to that huge drop in player count (Sandysunset night so fun wow!!"). Other than that the buffs to the support/assault in terms of weapon swaps was always going to happen seeing how many suggestions/discussions were about how the medic is too much of a 1 man army

[knotty wraith]

It depends who you ask, the majority will just spout out whatever the hell they think of and hope that fixes the problem, I agree with that indeed. But there certainly are a few out there which have quite a brain upstairs that do give some genuine good advice and/or fixes. It then becomes the job of said developers to filter out the good from the bad

Most just think of a simple "This would fix MY problem with this issue" which in term pisses off most others that don't think the same lol

[granite ginkgo]

Right, the problem so far is that Oki just seems to let Discord emojis have the final say on decisions which are not at all trivial and which can only be assessed in the context of data only he has access to.