#Improve/Review ACR, AK5C, MSR, F2K ( maybe )

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hexed vector
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Neglected weapons which need rework imo to fit a niche or make them more usable

ocean bison
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Before asking for specific weapons to fit in a niche, I think it would be important to define what niches are possible to fill in the first place and how current weapon distribution across those looks like. Do you have something in mind?

hexed vector
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Yes for the weapons which I mentioned :-
AR can have these categories:
Medium to long range - AUG and SG ( better damage consistency at medium vs other ars )
Close range to Medium - HK, AK74, AK15, M4, SCAR

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MSR , Idk where it would fit in the sniper tree tbh. Just a disappointing unlock like the AK5C

ocean bison
hoary pasture
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There's 2 big problems with the ak5c.
No magazine attachement, and the reload speed by default isn't great.

And the most annoying : when you switch weapon to the ak5c, there's that really akward / annoying delay of 1s or so where you can not do anything. You can't reload nor shot

tardy roost
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Isnt that also a thing with the ultimax

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Like there is always this 1s animation of lifting it up every time

hoary pasture
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Well, all weaapons have a lifting up animation when you switch, but the AK5C, when that animation is over, you're still unable to start shooting / reloading

tardy roost
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Yeah its the same thing with the ultimax

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Its just stupid for both guns

copper cloak
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F2000 is as good as the AUG and the SG, AK5c I dont know why but that gun jist feels off for me but I cant say why, MSR kinda bad, ACR can be good if you pick your fights right maybe give it even more movement speed.

hexed vector
trim fiber
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Neglected weapons which need rework imo to fit a niche or make them more usable

silent marsh
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ACR is basically a better mobility M4A1 so idk about that one, idk what you'd do with F2K, sure it deals low dmg but no recoil at all

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(inb4: 1810 kills on F2K atm)

hexed vector
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f2k is very much a watered down hk

silent marsh
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for me F2K could get a bit of movement stats buff

hexed vector
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ACR could use a diff damage chart curve

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it falls off as fast as m4 but does lower damage

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why would anyone pick that when smgs exist with higher firerate and better mobility

silent marsh
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if we gave F2K more dmg ppl would call it worse/better FAMAS

hexed vector
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no benefits of a rifle and not enough from run speed

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yeah F2K is a maybe

silent marsh
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F2K is a bullpup and bullpups are usually pretty compact, so I'd give it a bit more movement speed and maybe a bit better reload?

patent light
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I for sure am not that good at the game (im about on 1/3 on scoreboard) but after playing with aug a bit i dont think i will be picking up F2k again

silent marsh
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I'd be fine with Quick-mag that would reduce ammo count by 5 tbh

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about MSR, isn't it the sniper rifle with fastest bolt speed? stats might show that it's slower than some others but it's pretty quick in reality

hexed vector
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Only bolt speed is better, everywhere else its worse compared to previous unlocks

silent marsh
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fair

waxen aurora
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Why didn't you specify Fal and SCAR? They are two unique weapons and both deserve to be redesigned. The Fal has crazy recoil and the bullet velocity is terrible. It's already hard to kill a running player at 30 meters and in the current meta playing with such a weapon is pointless. Scar with its incredibly slow firing and damage drop. In proximity you need only 2 bullets to kill, but after 50 meters 3 hits. 3! When the machine gun fires with a strong recoil and so slow. Just nonsense and a dead weapon that you can play with, but it will not be fun.

patent light
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ak15?

hexed vector
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@patent light what are you using for ak15 ?

patent light
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im not really using it but when i tryed it i felt no diffrence between it and scar

hexed vector
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se5 grip, red dot or aim comp, flash hider

patent light
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so when he mentioned fal and scar i had to add ak15

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im to sh*t at recoil control to use that weapon

hexed vector
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sorry its flash hider, I just checked mine

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sensitivity?

silent zephyr
waxen aurora
# hexed vector They might be hard to use but the damage makes up for it. Just guns that only pe...

Are you kidding me? You can play, but it doesn't make sense. When 90% of weapons have no recoil in the game and any firefight at more than 50 meters will end in death for the player with Fal. The same can be said for the weapons in this sentence, ACR is a bad weapon? Nope, just always shoot at the head and it will be effective. But you wrote that with a gigachad face, so you really think you wrote something clever. Don't shit in here.

hexed vector
waxen aurora
# hexed vector 😐 Bruh I welcomed copypastas in here but not skill issues. Just because 90% don...

I bet my life on you writing nonsense again. I'll interrupt you beforehand so you don't embarrass yourself. Why is Fal unplayable? Because it has a high payoff. But high recoil can be controlled with good skill. High VERTICAL recoil. Not garisnotal. No matter how well a person plays, they can't control the horizontal recoil. That's how you envision the m4a1 competing with the Fal. The former shoots with no recoil at all in the build, and the latter draws squares instead when firing. You're really smart, I can see it through the monitor.

ocean bison
hexed vector
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@ocean bison you reading this too ? 🤣

waxen aurora
hexed vector
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I can't believe he is angry that I didn't mention FAL or scar

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people will rip me a new one if I suggest lowering their recoil

waxen aurora
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Lol, and now you called your little friend to make it easier for you to argue your stupid words

patent light
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why didnt you mention AK15

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Pro gamer

hexed vector
patent light
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vector has a 10m range dropoff you wanna talk about that 😄

hexed vector
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you're playing with fire there 🤣

patent light
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i am glad that it does tho

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it does fine the way it is now open maps are shit for it but closed ones are good which is the way the things should be

hexed vector
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yeah any mention of smg ranges will make people upset

patent light
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mp7 40m

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now everyone is mad

hexed vector
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kat delete it before oki sees

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people still use it

patent light
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i know its stupid good

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but aug more fun

hexed vector
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also for your vert recoil issue, I would suggest higher sens

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after few games of discomfort, you'll get used to it

patent light
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i enjoy my 800dpi

hexed vector
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make it 3200dpi 😈

patent light
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HELL NAW

ocean bison
patent light
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and ingame mouse sens is at 100

hexed vector
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mine is 3200dpi and 30

hexed vector
storm olive
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wtf is going in here

hexed vector
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real good copypasta material

tender parcel
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ACR is a great mobility gun for position plays. It's unique to have quick reload with extra 5 ammo. It doesn't compete CQC, but smg struggles mid range beyond 60m and that is where ACR makes up for it. No other gun has the smg-ish moving speed with range.

hexed vector
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but one would expect an AR to perform better at ranges

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atleast better than what it does currently considering the level it unlocks at

tender parcel
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I haven't had any issues with mid range engagements but it's a diff play style than smg run and gun. I just think it would be nice to increase drop off for ARs to 75m from 50m.

calm perch
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The real trouble is that the maps are not designed with the weapon’s range benefits in mind. When most action is taking place within shorter ranges, SMGs and high ROF weapons get the benefits.

silent marsh
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just add shotguns 😎

tender parcel
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just from my own experience, but Ive been doing pretty well with AUG in tensa/frugis that are more CQC oriented. just need a slow methodical playstyle with some flanks supporting the people in the C meatgrinder so they can push. if they dont see you, you win against any gun.

hexed vector
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positioning would make any gun better

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so I don't think guns should have that as a niche

tender parcel
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Survivability is better with mobility is what I noticed when using ACR vs 1.0 speed AR.

hexed vector
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whats the point of surviving if you get outgunned by majority of guns

tender parcel
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Kill them first 🤷‍♂️

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My best games have been with ACR and Aug.

hexed vector
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How are you going to kill them head to head if they have something as basic as an M4 ?

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or ak74

tender parcel
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M4/ak74 still has the same body shot to kill as ACR for medium armor.

hexed vector
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🤨 thats a if

tender parcel
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Aug is the gun that loses to cqc

hexed vector
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Yeah agree there

tender parcel
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I'm all for buffing ACR, since it's my favorite gun, but it's not needed imo.

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Ak5c tho. Drop reload is the only way to use it

hexed vector
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No I never said buff it 🤣

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even a slight modification to the damage curve would do wonders for that gun

tender parcel
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So u mean extend drop off?

hexed vector
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Yeah something similar to sg550

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yknow how sg is more consistent damage drop off wise ?

tender parcel
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Hm I think the niche for sg550 and Aug, AK15, scar, fal is fair

patent light
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Buff aug give it +.5 dmg

tender parcel
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M4, ak74, ACR, g36c is another group

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Even 75m instead of 50m will be good

hexed vector
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Love how you skipped f2k because we know it has no business in the ar class rn

tender parcel
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I tried to like it but can't

patent light
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Yesh aug is just way better at lasering people

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I liked it got about a 100 kills on it then unlocked the aug and just switched

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The ability to kill multiple people with 1 mag is good

hexed vector
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@patent light you may like the ak74 better but it has much slower reload and ads

patent light
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Higest i got on f2k is 3 and on aug is 4 but i get 3kills on 1 aug easy

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I will put a suggestion to buff aug dmg by .5 or 1 even

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To buff btk on normal armor by 1

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And it still wouldnt be broken it would just be more consistent

patent light
hexed vector
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🤫

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thats a controversial take

patent light
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Its such a boring and basic gun

ocean bison
patent light
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Molded raw chicken

hexed vector
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😵‍💫 its not that bad

ocean bison
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that would be too interesting

patent light
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Its not a bad gun yeah its just bland

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Mediocre

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Aug is horrible at close range so you actuslly gotta think of oh im not going into that room becouse im gonna die 9/10 times
Vektor has horible range (atleast on paper) so you wont be taking long range fights becouse (on paper) you should lose all of them

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While on the other hand i feel like aug on mid to long range is easier and more consistent then m4.
Yeah i know somebody will come here and put the skill issue cring shit

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When i die with aug i know i was outgunned close range but i also know i wasnt suppose to be at that place at that time makes you learn the game and the map more

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It might be unpopular opinion but AUG just feels healthy for the game

hexed vector
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Its a good gun yeah

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what attachments are you using ?

patent light
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Ah shit dont know but i think for now its URK and tactical or compensator

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Gonna switch to long suppressor once unlocked

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And a red dot

hexed vector
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🤔 will give those a try. Haven't used it that often after the attachment rework

patent light
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Just a plain old red dot

hexed vector
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Strikefire gang 😈

patent light
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I find it easiest to track targets with jt

tender parcel
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After learning strikefire was still 1x, I went back to red dot

hexed vector
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Yeah I love having the big ass red reticle on it

tender parcel
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Placebo effect made me better for a while tho

patent light
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1.5 scope would be nice for the game
For some guns 2x seems to much the screen just shakes so much it makes me dizzy

hexed vector
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Yeah someone had put a suggestion for magnifiers

tender parcel
hexed vector
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Jack of all trades but master of none

patent light
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Idk i bearly have 40 hours in game (i do have 300 kills on m4) and since they buffed xp gain i had way more fun with the game becouse i didnt have to use m4 or mp7
It the last few sesions i got like 40 levels (45 to 82) which is a great range for gun unlocks
Theres scar if you wanna try it, l96, VEKTOR, aug, sg550

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And i just had so much fun playing with those weapons even f2k was more fun then m4
Oooih yeah and badger got a buff few months ago so i had to try that and it was nice

tender parcel
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F2k is throwing pebbles at support with exo

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My most used guns are acr (2.9k kills), MP5 (2.4k kills), Aug (1.4k kills), scar/m4 (~1k kills).

patent light
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When does mp5 unlock lv 90? I wanna try that out one of my favorites from childhood

tender parcel
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Yeah 90

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It's subpar now imo. That's why I went with acr

ocean bison
tender parcel
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If it's range went to 30-35m, it'd be something different compared to the other SMGs

patent light
patent light
tender parcel
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By 50m, MP5 does same dmg, 25dmg, as mp7.

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I think a bit more reach for mp5 makes in the middle ground that's not going into AR mid range, but a bit more than other SMG while other SMG have higher RoF except for ump that has big dmg

worn tendon
worn tendon
worn tendon
red hazel
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i havent read the thread, but ak5c would be a lot better with a quick mag and some recoil reduction. it would slot in nicely between the ak15 and ak74.

tender parcel
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ak5c requires tactical reload. at its best, you can have a fairly high v recoil with <1.0 h recoil so its pretty good at range.

hexed vector
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better draw speed too

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its almost as bad as ultimax in that regards

torpid forge
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the list got buffed

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Rip SG tho

tender parcel
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Sg is another alternative to Aug, but less range cuz of the higher h recoil. It takes one less bullet for light armor too

honest heath
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Sg is gutted

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It's a worse age now

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Acr

tender parcel
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Sg is a long range gun tho. ACR is a close mid range

red hazel
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true

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im hyped for the acr buff though, 35rnd with sub 3 sec reload will go crazy

tender parcel
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I'm looking forward to ak5c and ak74. But I might default sticking to Aug since I find myself in the back line as a support medic

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Extra mag without ranger vest is a big draw

dusk arrow
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The SG550 changes are interesting. Before the headshot dmg was not good ex. SG550 ( 2 body shots + 1 headshot ) = 94.5 dmg ; M4A1 ( 2 body shots + 1 headshot ) = kill. But now with 29 dmg its at the same level as m4 witch is nice.
TTK/BTK on light armor is now better, the ttk on heavy armor is better now as well. But the ttk on normal armor is lil worse from 0.343 to 0.358 ( 0.015 difference ) and I think its not really noticeable.

The firerate nerf was not needed imo, now it feels like a lighter version of ak74 because it has the same rof, but I haven't tried it yet, maybe it will be better who knows

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Also if it had the same firerate( 700 IIRC ) I think it would be too similar to m4. It has better reload, ads, better dmg ranges, etc.. I feel like it would have been a better m4

south forge
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AUG used to be the long range l-armor decimator but Oki decided to screw its one niche

tender parcel
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Id still go with Aug for the low h recoil since it's better past 100m than SG550 even with the lower RoF

south forge
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I'd rather the AUG have its l-armor dmg back

dusk arrow
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we will see if the dmg increase is worth the rpm nerf

tender parcel
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The Aug should be like 10 dmg to l-armor if they wanted a nerf

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I was just looking at the new numbers for ak5c, with tactical/se5 grip 1.30v/1.15h is nice. Flash/se5 is 1.67v/0.96h

hexed vector
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I was really hoping for damage curve changes @torpid forge

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but yeah I'm happy that he reviewed them and changed values overall

tender parcel
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Ppl should upvote my 75m suggestion for AR 😓

torpid forge
tender parcel
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Increasing dmg drop off

torpid forge
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ACR damage increase should add a couple meters but yeah I get it

hexed vector
tender parcel
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ACR is in a good spot now imo. Using mobility like SMG to get close.

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But AR group that is at 50m, 75m, 150m would be nice for variety

civic scarab
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AK5C is already good enough tbh

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I don't think it needs rework

tender parcel
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It's a welcomed change. Debating between ak74 or ak5c to try as a new main with new update.

red hazel
tender parcel
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I just drop reload every time. If you're gonna run and gun, you don't need to pick up empty mags

red hazel
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isnt it still slower drop reloading than other guns? its still a disadvantage because you are forced to run armor with more mags

tender parcel
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Or just die ☠️.

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But I think for me, it just works for my playstyle, kill then hide.

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Run and gun would use UMP

hexed vector
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Also the fire rate is horrendous

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only grace is the damage in its lethal range

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Because of some ready delay ~ unless you go pre aiming, you'd usually lose gun duels with it

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in head to head fights

worn copper
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I was using the AK5C and its really not bad its very good to use only thing I can say bad about it is the reload speed

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along with the F2000 its a good gun I dont really see a need to change it

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idk about the others

hexed vector
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Yeah Oki mentioned it in upcoming so it'll be better than what you have used.

tender parcel
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24 dmg up to 75m for f2k.

hexed vector
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🫃i didn't expect oki to touch the f2k since people are usually iffy about high fire rate weapons

tender parcel
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High RoF but still somewhat low ish dmg that's accurate. I tried f2k last night and went back to aug. Not my style

red hazel
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f2k has always been mid

sharp pebble
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F2K is good if you always and only hit headshots, otherwise it sucks massively and loses to everything.

dreamy gorge
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Broooo the Ak5c is going to be a monster now!
I already loved the gun before, having around 2500kills and top fragging with it many games. Now I happily wait..

red hazel
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respectable

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i do not have the patience for the current reload speed

tender parcel
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I wish ak74 had less h recoil nerf

red hazel
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they shouldn't have changed the recoil tbh

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just the damage buff wouldve been fine

civic scarab
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AK5c is already fast

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if you hold R then pick up the mag its even faster

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its a really good run n gun AR

tender parcel
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AK5C is verrry nice with update

hexed vector
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yeah really good now

tender parcel
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Still need to drop reload but the recoil is more manageable

tender parcel
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Ak5c still needs flash hider after trying out flash/SE and tactical/se. H recoil at 1.15 is still pretty harsh for mid range.

hexed vector
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ehh when I compare to some guns it feels not high

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🥴

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like say hk419 without fh or the AS Val without bcm

tender parcel
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It's not bad bad but I found more success mid range with flash

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I think mostly spraying windows was harder with >1.0 h recoil

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Surprising, ak5c was my most kill streak gun yesterday. Multiple 5x. Maybe cuz of new people 😓

patent light
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5 levels away from ACR i will soon be able to talk about it 😄

patent light
tender parcel
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ACR was nice, but maybe with more supports running around, it took longer to kill

sharp pebble
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from my experience, the ak5c slaps

tender parcel
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tried tactical/se and mid range kinda sucked. went abck to flash/SE, got about ~35-10

fringe ledge
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All fixed, only need sniper rifles rebalance now

fringe ledge
red hazel
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i do very well with just tactical

tender parcel
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its a cqc ar. rof is hard to fight the v recoil when lowering h recoil

hexed vector
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are you guys using them with assault or medic more often ?

torpid forge
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Engineer

fringe ledge
hexed vector
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ACR, AK5C

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@torpid forge cmere stinker

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@fringe ledge was your previous username sky akami ?

fringe ledge
tender parcel
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I've been using all guns with medic.

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Going for famas today and see how it is. The h recoil buff is nice. It just needs one more mag or another 0.1 h recoil buff.

fringe ledge
hexed vector
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Oh I'm waiting for the ak5c again

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I like the acr a lot

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just the NT barrel and red dot

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not much needed

tender parcel
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i try to put suppressor on all my guns

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grinding supressor on famas atm

silent zephyr
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I was playing assault even before medic so no change for me

fringe ledge
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@hexed vector Atm Ak5c must be in top AR

tender parcel
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Famas needs more mag ☠️

fringe ledge
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Famas is already pretty strong and get buffed
Maybe a 30-mag could be added with low recoil/ms debuff

tender parcel
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They have extended mag already but .85 movespeed sucks

patent light
patent light
copper cloak
hexed vector
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@solemn pilot can you delete this thread ? these weapons already got buffed very recently