I know you might think about rocket launchers, But how about an emp gun Which force the aircraft slow down or disable sth? or maybe the emp gun can also work on tanks? maybe it can also break down drones in the air?
#anti air weapons?
mellow parrot
hot fiber
flak cannons? 👀
dark escarp
Oh look a civilian airliner
dark escarp
Make it objective relevant too
You want that anti air? Ok well you better get your dumbass off Waki Bridge and fight for F just once you absolute muppet
mellow parrot
You want that anti air? Ok well you better get your dumbass off Waki Bridge and ...
but there is no any anti air stuff for now. always annoying about aircraft and what i can do is to lauch a rpg and start to pray. too suffer.
terse lynx
You want that anti air? Ok well you better get your dumbass off Waki Bridge and ...
this idea is tremendously attractive
would be an excellent way to incentivize PTFOing while balancing air vs ground
dark escarp
Fuck if we get emplacements, give support and engi some more toys to play with and fortify that position
crimson star
Are the two helicopters that much of a threat?
They are near useless against infantry and only stand a threat to each other
terse lynx
they're annoying and you cant really do much to them as a single person or squad
crimson star
they're annoying and you cant really do much to them as a single person or squad
Shoot them
Plus there’s bound to be a btr and a guy with a rocket near you
terse lynx
Shoot them
I do
often
the btr guy is stroking himself off in the water
and the rocket guy cant hit a sitting target
crimson star
I mean how many times have you died to a blackhawk
Or a littlebird post nerf
Are they that big of a problem we need anti air weapons?
terse lynx
its not about dying to them, its about them annoying you and getting you killed or low enough so something else shoots you
we're also ignoring that they break up the backline very effectively
I think some AA would be reasonable and totally useful
crimson star
Like I’m in a helicopter a lot and I constantly get shot at by infantry, rockets, tanks, apcs, and other helicopters
terse lynx
thats fine, its ok to be wrong
terse lynx
https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267
crimson star
livid fractal
we seriously need something to take down helies except god accurate snipers shots .
terse lynx
hes right you know
crimson star
we seriously need something to take down helies except god accurate snipers shot...
Rockets, apcs, other helicopters
Guns
God accurate sniper shots
Tanks
proud agate
they're annoying and you cant really do much to them as a single person or squad
Full squad with DMRs and AUGs literaly can shred lilbirdo in a couple seconds
terse lynx
and so we dont need AA to also be added, this makes so much sense
proud agate
yep
terse lynx
relying on people doing things is bad because when they dont, you're screwed
asking for an extra tool in the toolkit doesn't mean the other things dont exist
this is an absurd line of reasoning
proud agate
because then there will be too many options to shoot down the helicopter
terse lynx
yes, options are bad
proud agate
what you mean bad?
proud agate
The game already has enough options to shoot down a helicopter
Try to fly and you will see
terse lynx
I fly almost every game lol
livid fractal
Rockets, apcs, other helicopters
its about skill issue , which i just want another sulotion , not to practice to git gud with tha sniper
crimson star
its about skill issue , which i just want another sulotion , not to practice to ...
I listed out several others that ARE solutions
And effective ones at that
livid fractal
I listed out several others that ARE solutions
still no
terse lynx
the helis are annoying, they are a nuisance and AA on a point that you control by capping is a smart way to solve that annoyance and offer fun gameplay and a reason to PTFO
terse lynx
why are you posting gifs
proud agate
the helis are annoying, they are a nuisance and AA on a point that you control b...
what you mean annoying?
livid fractal
Then you suck
hiting a heli with apc is just dumb P_P
and rockets are not accurate , how are you arguing ?
pulsar field
Why? Why do we need a weapon to counter already extremely vulnerable (and in case of armed LB, totally useless) assets?
terse lynx
what you mean annoying?
scroll up, please read the entire discussion, and then answer that question for yourself, this was already discussed
crimson star
hiting a heli with apc is just dumb P_P
and rockets are not accurate , how are ...
Hitting a heli with an apc is literally the best way to deal with helicopters
livid fractal
why are you posting gifs
he is proving edge lordisem
terse lynx
I love edging
pulsar field
It will only be a crutch for people with no skill
livid fractal
Hitting a heli with an apc is literally the best way to deal with helicopters
in toy story yes i agree
terse lynx
It will only be a crutch for people with no skill
Personally I'm just looking at this as a way to get people to PTFO/play around specific situations, say C point has an AA emplacement you can control if you cap that point, then there's gonna be a scramble for it which centers the action
crimson star
If you can’t hit a helicopter with a quick firing apc or a well placed rocket and still want other alternatives than you suck
The apc is basically an AA on wheels
proud agate
True
terse lynx
If you can’t hit a helicopter with a quick firing apc or a well placed rocket an...
If you cant spell then, then you suck
crimson star
You understand it well enough to get the point
terse lynx
nah
white knoll
Am I the only one who thinks they should buff Blackhawk miniguns against infantry
crimson star
Am I the only one who thinks they should buff Blackhawk miniguns against infantr...
I agree
terse lynx
Am I the only one who thinks they should buff Blackhawk miniguns against infantr...
I think they should
white knoll
Or at least make it a bit easier to aim with how much it jolts about
livid fractal
the idea of ignoring to add a portable AA is that hard for u to agree P_P ?
i don't like to take it down via APC , i want to have a stinger or igla why is that a no ? P_P
terse lynx
and I think that people should be able to have AA on the map in specific locations so we can play around them
white knoll
Give it the tank’s stabilization feature
proud agate
PTFO will be fun. But then give lilbirdo rockets to deal with it
crimson star
the idea of ignoring to add a portable AA is that hard for u to agree P_P ?
i do...
50000000 lock on notifications
There’s plenty of ways to take down a helicopter we don’t need one specifically designed to do so
Helicopters are mildly annoying at most
livid fractal
the idea of BBR is realism and mokey is putting aside the AA misiles , and talking about APC .
bro graduated from basement
livid fractal
There’s plenty of ways to take down a helicopter we don’t need one specifically ...
we is you ? you design ? P_P
since when ?
crimson star
P_P
livid fractal
you literally said we .
who is this we ? please expand that
crimson star
Really?
terse lynx
50000000 lock on notifications
If you cant handle 2000000 lock on notifications and other alternatives than you suck
crimson star
Yeah I suck
livid fractal
the idea of ignoring to add a portable AA is that hard for u to agree P_P ?
i do...
and please give a rational answer to this as well iam waiting for it .
don't get creative with APC and stuff we know that works but stay on realism part .
crimson star
Yeah I suck
Says you who can’t hit a shot and wants lock on missiles
Give me a break
livid fractal
Says you who can’t hit a shot and wants lock on missiles
flares can handle the lock on missiles .
terse lynx
For the record, I do not want man-portable systems, I want static AA emplacements on specific points
crimson star
flares can handle the lock on missiles .
You’ll run out
livid fractal
You’ll run out
go back to base to refill
crimson star
Imagine if they added lock on missiles and played on a 256 server
livid fractal
bro why you don't think about the answers of your questions man ?
crimson star
You wouldn’t last a minute
crimson star
bro why you don't think about the answers of your questions man ?
Your answers are flawed
livid fractal
You wouldn’t last a minute
but it is not a rational idea either to say taht APC is the answer
terse lynx
true
his arguments are somewhat flawed
your responses are worse
you argue that skill invalidates our concern for wanting more ways to deal with aircraft, and then you claim that this will require too much skill from the aircraft pilot
curious
crimson star
I’ve listed out several ways to destroy the mildly annoying helicopters but I’m in the wrong?
livid fractal
his arguments are somewhat flawed
iam asking flawed question because he can't over come them , he is just bsing real hard at flawed level of questining .
crimson star
I’m saying they aren’t a big deal
terse lynx
I’ve listed out several ways to destroy the mildly annoying helicopters but I’m ...
your arguments are self-conflicting, and when I say this I am referring to a portion of the argument that I dont care about (that specifically being with regard to man-portable rockets and such)
livid fractal
the idea of realism can't co exist with what mokey want to do , real life has solutions for its problems .
terse lynx
I’m saying they aren’t a big deal
then another option for dealing with aircraft isnt a big deal either
livid fractal
I’m saying they aren’t a big deal
but still you can't come up with a good answer and you are reapitng yourself
terse lynx
the idea of realism can't co exist with what mokey want to do , real life has so...
IDK about that argument because this is a game after all and the goal is fun first and foremost
crimson star
the idea of realism can't co exist with what mokey want to do , real life has so...
What?
livid fractal
IDK about that argument because this is a game after all and the goal is fun fir...
yeah sure . AA is not only missile but bullets as well .
crimson star
then another option for dealing with aircraft isnt a big deal either
It would be annoying having to hear beeping from missiles every second
terse lynx
he's sorta right when it comes to lock on being annoying, but IRL there are counters to counters to counters, in this case being rockets countering helis which have flares countering rockets
thats why I said both your arguments/views are flawed
crimson star
In bf 2042 for example I was locked on several times within a few minutes
livid fractal
not talking about the type of AA .
the idea that mokey CAN'T understand the concept of AA and how can helicopters over come them is just fun to watch
livid fractal
It would be annoying having to hear beeping from missiles every second
then mute
terse lynx
all I want is a static emplacement I can fight over to shoot down aircraft that come too close
thats its
livid fractal
bro this aint an argument
no no i know .
proud agate
but we already have too many options against air
You can literali crash heli with SMG or pistol
terse lynx
personally I want more, just like more guns and more stuff in general, I'm fine with being told that its too much at a certain point, but I dont think the game's at any risk yet of that being the case
livid fractal
in evey game when 1 rocket is locket on you , you only hear 1 stress noise , not several .
this is the logic of a threat not to show multiple threats .
when a missile threat is coming to you , you use flares .
and you refill at HQ
like BF2 / AIX 2 / BF3 / Project reality . and many more
terse lynx
You can literali crash heli with SMG or pistol
yes but that seems more of a random "damn I did that wow that was crazy" than a calculated "here's a fix for this problem"
livid fractal
why am i being a little aggresive here is just that mokey reasons can be fixed with a little bit of thinking , making something is in other words engineering , and we can fix / make things work and co exist and he dones't understand that .
this is my whole point of arguing .
terse lynx
i am in no way saying that you cannot kill a heli with a machine gun, skill-based shot, etc, i've done it and its fun to, but I am just arguing that it shouldnt be the only possible solution
proud agate
yes but that seems more of a random "damn I did that wow that was crazy" than a ...
There not fix. There additional options. If you wanna AA weapons then they should nerf another existing AA options
terse lynx
my personal fix would be:
Buff damage that air does against ground
add static AA emplacements that harass enemy aircraft in a certain radius from the point (you control them based on who owns the point they exist on)
IF you add rockets, add flares and make them replenish after a certain time window (to avoid a great deal of problems)
maybe? buff repair rate to helis, nerf slight small-arms damage to helis?
proud agate
Imagine flying with lock on you and whole enemy team shoot at you with AUGs or DmrS
insta death
terse lynx
ok I get that you're referring to the best possible way to kill helis
but you and I both know that that almost never happens
people take potshots at me and every once and a while you have an MG whose IQ is not single digits shooting in my general direction
livid fractal
There not fix. There additional options. If you wanna AA weapons then they shoul...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfHi-ZfGywk
forget about the helis missile and just analys the piloting and how they manage the situation .
terse lynx
IDK about turning the game into a carbon copy of BF3/4
those games were awesome but they had their own issues
livid fractal
game is inpired by alot of battlefield mechanics though.
livid fractal
those games were awesome but they had their own issues
bf3 had heli issues ? P_P
terse lynx
again, IDK about turning the game into a carbon copy of BF3/4
terse lynx
bf3 had heli issues ? P_P
as someone who played 2k hours on bf3 and another 2 on 4, yeah. if you had a great pilot you couldnt kill them
terse lynx
what does carbon copy mean ? 😛
livid fractal
as someone who played 2k hours on bf3 and another 2 on 4, yeah. if you had a gre...
yeah , we got out asses handed to use on sharqi
terse lynx
carbon copy is basically a way of saying "exact replica"
livid fractal
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don't do that :-:
terse lynx
go to google!
livid fractal
carbon copy is basically a way of saying "exact replica"
i see .
any way , i made my point , off to doing something else , take care .
livid fractal
go to google!
how about a ZU 23 on a truck ?
or even , we can use squad points to place some ;\
terse lynx
I dont like the idea of not knowing where the AA is
livid fractal
I dont like the idea of not knowing where the AA is
you can see the tracers coming at you though
proud agate
Humvee or Tiger also
can be used as AA weapon
livid fractal
hmmm thats a view as well
terse lynx
thats going to be a nightmare for playing in a heli
livid fractal
Humvee or Tiger also
can be used as AA weapon
the auto turret ?
terse lynx
Humvee or Tiger also
can be used as AA weapon
yes but that requires you to get in one and someone to not drive you away
which we all know is not a thing that ever happens 
livid fractal
how many shots of .50cal does it need to take out the heli ?
proud agate
yes but that requires you to get in one and someone to not drive you away
This society problem not game problem
terse lynx
if we're going IRL, 1 to the rotor
terse lynx
This society problem not game problem
yeah and so you cant expect to fix it on the society side
hence more options
I'm glad you're finally getting it
livid fractal
if we're going IRL, 1 to the rotor
no lets talk about bbr current situation
terse lynx
Depends on what you hit then
livid fractal
mostly the body i guess
proud agate
i am get it, You wanna more options. But we already have to many options
livid fractal
i am get it, You wanna more options. But we already have to many options
the idea is that we need something "specific" for airborn , not an alternative of a not existing main way .
proud agate
Thats ok. But then they should nerf existing options
livid fractal
maybe , balacing is hell .
proud agate
or buff heli
livid fractal
if i rememeber correctly , oki once even said that he hates balancing . it was before the early access if i remember correctly .
terse lynx
i am get it, You wanna more options. But we already have to many options
as someone that flies and also plays the game, thats not accurate in the slightest
proud agate
as someone that flies and also plays the game, thats not accurate in the slighte...
You not actualy flying then. Whole team shoot at heli with guns and humvee. Transport heli squads chasing you and abuse height limit
proud agate
Sometimes
terse lynx
but in a broader sense, yeah stop flying in the open
your problem is where and how you're flying
proud agate
all maps in the game are open
proud agate
also i dont have any problem with flying i am actualy enjoy it
terse lynx
you can in fact, using these things called angles, put stuff in between you and people shooting at you
terse lynx
we're getting away from the point of this which was more AA
proud agate
because we alredy have to many options. Yes this options litle bit cringe. But it is wat it is
terse lynx
I am playing with joe swanson from family guy
spring estuary
I feel like currently the best anti air options are APCs or tanks, but a vehicle shouldn't have to prioritize an air target over ground targets. I would like the idea of emplaced flak cannons to deter helis, but they shouldnt be able to one shot the heli in the rotor
I am against MANPADS as the balancing to make helis survivable with them seems impossible
shy rose
I feel like currently the best anti air options are APCs or tanks, but a vehicle...
Maybe they can be built only by support