Remove C4 from medic or give it a weaker version of C4

[untold aurora]

Pretty please

[toxic hinge]

an average support player from reddit

[lofty swan]

I would say remove.all explosives gadets from medic. Is a better option

[azure gyro]

🤓

[dry canyon]

Remove C4 from all but Recon and Engineer

[woeful shadow]

I agree with this, remove all explosive gadgets and add more healing gadgets for medic, force them to do their works instead of rushing the entire enemy team with SMG and C4

[vernal galleon]

Keep a versatile explosive for buildings

[dry canyon]

Give Assault a breaching charge (good vs building, useless v armor)

[vernal galleon]

That is a much better idea

[untold aurora]

[calm mirage]

I would say, this is more feedback, and not a suggestion..

[untold aurora]

They have a balancing tag?

Tf do they want us to use it for then?

[calm mirage]

Ok, leave it then..

I mean, this shouldn't be used for balancing.. That's what feedback is for.. But I didn't set it up

[wheat panther]

How about breeching charge for Assault and Medic, C4 for Support, Engi and Recon

[woeful shadow]

Assault can keep the C4, give breaching charge to Medic

[dry canyon]

why does medic need breaching charge to heal people?

[wheat panther]

Tbh yeah, actually it will make the medic less of a "all around" role

[calm mirage]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1133102331274203187 - https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1152892589691916350

For reference

[vernal galleon]

Get through buildings to get to people faster

Main problem with medic having c4 was that medic was able to destroy vehicles

[dry canyon]

Along with using them like grenades

[untold aurora]

Is

[dry canyon]

C4 fairies are my primary concern, but that could be resolved by changing how C4 or whatever handles

[dry canyon]

Yea, because currently they're being used for unintended purposes almost akin to griefing

Wanna know why server pop is garbage? Because playing against a bunch of C4 SMG medic sweats isn't fun

[swift sluice]

Give medic a hammer or a pickaxe instead of C4. You cant still reach dying people but you won’t be a better assault

[dry canyon]

I mean tbh, you can heal and revive through walls so the point is moot

[swift sluice]

TRUE

[untold aurora]

We have to advocate for C4 removal

https://tenor.com/view/scott-scott-the-woz-scott-the-woz-eating-cereal-eating-cereal-gif-26057324

It worked for the leveling system and it only took a month and a half

[foggy wolf]

skissue

[untold aurora]

erm 60 people agree with the post

[foggy wolf]

erm 60 people agree

[untold aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-scott-the-woz-scott-the-woz-eating-cereal-eating-cereal-gif-26057324

[spark needle]

medic with c4 or c4 vest is annoying but also makes the class playing both life an death,
It can give it an take it,

also tf2- the pain is as rewarding as the healing) -psycho medic main XD

[cursive flint]

breach c4 would be good

[untold aurora]

Yes

[foggy wolf]

aint gonna be removed sadly 😗

[paper quartz]

Remove C4
And add
Breach hammer
If its just for free moove un building

[foggy wolf]

😬

remove from suggestion forums

[untold aurora]

It should 😬

[cyan lake]

oh hell nah.

[untold aurora]

Majority agree that it should😬

[foggy wolf]

aint unanimous so it aint gonna be removed

[untold aurora]

😬

[foggy wolf]

why would they take the fun factor out of the game 😔

[untold aurora]

For one class😬

Plus C4 is the jack of all trades gadget

[foggy wolf]

?

[dry canyon]

Fun for one class, completely invalidates most vehicles

[untold aurora]

Medic= most played class

C4= best gadget

[foggy wolf]

then why not use medic

or do you not enjoy it

[untold aurora]

Give medic a weaker C4 (C2) or remove C4 entirely

[foggy wolf]

cause it seems totally fine to me

[untold aurora]

I want medic nerfed for once in this game’s existence

C4 can blow large holes in walls, destroy vehicles quickly, and kill players quickly(depending on the area)

[foggy wolf]

why nerf medic

[untold aurora]

C4 should be restricted to assault, support and engineer

[foggy wolf]

you can just buff other classes

to make everyone happy

[untold aurora]

Oh this shit

[untold aurora]

Assault was buffed(more weapons)

Support was somewhat buffed(resupplying ammo)

[foggy wolf]

medic was already nerfed with the smg range reduction

[untold aurora]

That ain’t shit

They have plenty of other weapons at their disposal

Plus the best gadget

[foggy wolf]

okay... i still dont understand where you are coming from

[untold aurora]

Balancing?

It already has the best guns and the best class specific gadget

[foggy wolf]

i dont think youve really played the game enough to understand the potential of other classes

[untold aurora]

Giving it tank destroying capabilities is silly

[foggy wolf]

cause i can still get the same amount of kills and fun with others

[tender tinsel]

Good for you, thanks for your feedback

[swift sluice]

SMG’s aren’t medic specific. They just enable medics most popular playstyle

[tender tinsel]

Anyway, sound off, rest of people who want to see medic nerf

[swift sluice]

Also “buff other classes” only works to a point. Thats how you get power creep

[untold aurora]

Whenever someone mentions a medic nerf there’s always someone saying that

Since god forbid

[swift sluice]

Taking away one tool from medic that further lets it do what assault does but better will not break medic

[foggy wolf]

do you want medic to be nerfed because the class is op, or for the skilled players to have a harder time

[tender tinsel]

It's not even the tank destroying capabilities, which are big on their own, but the fact that C4 basically lets them push into buildings like the walls were made out of cardboard

Infinite fast healing + unimpeded movement lets them be the indisputably best aggressive class

[untold aurora]

It’s over powered

[untold aurora]

^

[foggy wolf]

i still see people go 1kd with medic

so from my pov i think its based on the players skill not the class

[swift sluice]

Obviously it is to a point

But how is one class being able to do most things better than another good

The only feasible way I could see to make medic not the only choice would be to give every clsss fast bandage and to remove bleed

Actually simply fast bandage would help

[tender tinsel]

Even then Medic can ignore chip damage infinitely so you can do stuff like leap off a building like it's nothing while any other class is going to have to use the whole bandage even if they took <40 damage, and they have a much more limited supply

[spark needle]

medic is kinda op, but not with the c4 sense, that med box along with the builda-bear forts an a rally near enemy teams main spawn is broken if the medic loiters to keep the rally secure an keep rebuilding damaged barriers whilst placing medic box's near the fire-fight, the worst example of this play-style is on frugis, namak, wakistan, an zalfibay to name a few.

but that's just my opinion, I dnt like playing that sweaty

[inner cloud]

I have never once seen someone do this

Also c4 is broken across the board for all classes, not in the sense it’s overpowered just the sense that none of the devs can figure out how to make it work right

[spark needle]

I know not much of the c4 I rarely touch it unlike the vest, vest is fun.

an plz tell me your joking?
I have seen multiple accounts of a single squad member doing this especially on bobs server,
Though granted it is usually a full squad dedicated to doing this bs

[woeful shadow]

"there are instances of players doing bad as medic, therefore, medic is totally fair and balanced"
Ultimate galaxy brain argument

[tender tinsel]

I saw an armed robber get knocked out by a gas station clerk once, obviously firearms and fists are perfectly balanced

[woeful shadow]

So true!

[inner cloud]

I am rank 14 on Bobs and I’ve never seen this shit happen, maybe on waki bc I don’t wanna walk thru all the barriers but still. I don’t think the issue is C4 even in this case just griefing teammates

[untold aurora]

Silly

[foggy wolf]

[untold aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/mauzymice-boykisser-men-where-are-all-the-men-caption-gif-15918826009865250310

[opal spoke]

I think medic should have more explosive power. The more dead enemies the less fallen allies to revive a true healthcare profissional must focus on prevention before the treatment

[swift sluice]

Give medic every single gun

[outer current]

C4 on medics is just a BigMedicTM ploy to kill more people so medics can revive more people to get xp

[spark needle]

here we go green text adventure
*me: plays as medic with c4 vest.
*sees two distracted players.
*dies by c4 vest.
*revived by medic.
*other medic proceeds to do the same.
*medic dies.
*ignores medic.
*follows support for ammo box.
*dies cause support won't place ammo box.

[modern lantern]

26/39 currently

engineer is 29/39 if I am thinking right

(could done the math wrong,so feel free to bonk me on the head)

[modest rain]

Explosives only for support. Engineer builds, support makes traps. Or vice versa

[silk siren]

This suggestion wont happen. To begin with you're dying to medics with c4 mostly because they're vet players. If this is removed you're still going to get the same players c4'ing you in the same places cause the player will just swap to a class with it and kill you. Perhaps Op you can change your playstyle to counter the medic tossing c4 over the waki bridge barriers and killing your entire frontline.

[untold aurora]

Nuh uh

[silk siren]

If you can work around the issue easily with playstyle and some clever thinking than it comes off differently. If you want to learn how to counter this type of player than you are free to dm me.

[untold aurora]

I didn’t make this suggestion because I kept dying to medic C4 players

I made it because it’s bullshit for medic to keep getting all the best stuff

It’s a support class and yet it can blow up tanks

It’s a support class and yet it’s the best assault class

[silk siren]

Ima wait to see if Cleo has anything to add before i comment

[odd quail]

The only thing the assault class has going for it right now it's passive boost in performance, I don't think every class needs an explosive throwable and/or gadget, reduce explosive spam and give vehicles more longevity.

[inner cloud]

Steve

Stop

It’s not worth it

[odd quail]

[silk siren]

Firstly. Medic doesn't "Keep getting all the best stuff" Medic has only been nerfed/indirectly nerfed since launch, and has not gotten any addition features since then iirc. (If you can provide evidence that says otherwise then ill retract that statement)

Secondly, tanks in general are under powered. This is not the medics fault. C4 should only 100-0 tank hp if its placed properly at the rear. OR C4 vehicle damage to the tank should be nerfed to make it so a medic has to equip a backpack to grant additional c4 in order to blow up the tank.

Thirdly, AR gunplay for assault is MUCH better than on medic. This is why you see the best medics touching only 2 or maybe 3 ar's.

In conclusion medic is right where it needs to be. The other classes need more QOL updates to polarize their uniqueness.

[inner cloud]

Jesus fuck

Steve wrote a whole fucking Aesop fable

[odd quail]

tldr.

[silk siren]

Dont read, than dont post buddy.

[untold aurora]

Tldr buff other classes and don’t nerf medic

[inner cloud]

TLDR Revert game to playtest patch

[untold aurora]

[untold aurora]

ie essentially what everyone says when you want to nerf medic

[silk siren]

Its been nerfed, many times.

[untold aurora]

I can think of one indirect nerf

And only one

[odd quail]

I just want more tools tbh.

[foggy wolf]

Just stop it tbh c4 isn’t going away from medic 💀

[untold aurora]

It should be restricted to the classes it makes sense for

Why would the team healer need to blow up vehicles

[foggy wolf]

Who tf even heals others with medic

[untold aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[foggy wolf]

Why would u heal and revive others that’s so boring lol

[untold aurora]

Because it’s medic?

[silk siren]

@untold aurora c4 count nerf, smg nerf, bandage rework (very indirect but just keeps the other classes better)

[foggy wolf]

Brother has been with medics fr 💀

No one heals with medic cause it’s boring

[untold aurora]

[modern lantern]

medic bandaging does heal, so in a way a indirect buff when they bleed

otherwise I don't recall many/any nerfs on medic directly beside the removal of a single C4

[inner cloud]

Nobody heals with medic when I can respawn 2x faster than it takes to heal back to full hp

[silk siren]

Very true HG, medic bandages do heal while the other classes do not if i remember correctly. They should heal at all classes imo if true.

[modern lantern]

Bandages heal everyone when used

40 HP

[foggy wolf]

Why u typing paragraphs Steve 😭

[inner cloud]

You use bandages

lol

[silk siren]

40hp from bleed?

[modern lantern]

to clarify the medic's self bandage requires a bleed but heals 40 HP like everyone else's

[inner cloud]

Never bandaged so didn’t know

[silk siren]

Brain had the idea that only medic could stop bleed + heal 40hp, idk where i got that from tbh

[silk siren]

bored on a sunday my guy

[modern lantern]

But to clarify medic has 3 ways to heal, two of which can be used at a time based on conditions

[inner cloud]

🤓 alright fucking EMS we don’t need the explanation

c4 thread btw

[foggy wolf]

Arguing on something that’s not gonna happen crazyyyy

[modern lantern]

1. the medkit in hands
2. medkit on ground (can be comboed together while healing in hands or reloading)
3. bandages while bleeding (40 HP)

[untold aurora]

Atleast give it a weaker version of C4😔

C2

[silk siren]

100% not even close to happening

[foggy wolf]

Nah

[silk siren]

Just lose the idea man

[foggy wolf]

Needa kill some people with c4

[untold aurora]

Why are you people so against removing C4 from medic😔

[modern lantern]

Otherwise I feel reducing the explosive power from Medic wouldn't be a terrible idea

[foggy wolf]

Because you would ruin the game ofc

[silk siren]

its already capped at 4 people per, you wanna go back to when i could toss one and get a 16x?

[modern lantern]

they are one of the fastest classes with more than enough to kill a tank from the front or such

[untold aurora]

Yeah because incentive ruins games

[odd quail]

Maybe.. we wouldn't need to carry as many around.

[untold aurora]

It’s not like 3 other classes have C4

[modern lantern]

mix in the fastest & infinite self healing, faster bandage speeds & so on

[foggy wolf]

The alr ruined the game lol

And the player count reflects that

[modern lantern]

alr?

[untold aurora]

Yeah what is that

[silk siren]

This brings me back to me thinking you've been killed by too many vet players using c4 on you. You wouldn't make this comment without reason.

[modern lantern]

Steve, I feel it could be a very different reason

[silk siren]

Well they have to elaborate

[untold aurora]

I said it wasn’t and I said why I think that

[foggy wolf]

I think you are just a baller

[modern lantern]

But I do see a arguement for medic is too good at everything beside ranged AT while not having many issues beside at like dmr+ range

[foggy wolf]

Downfall of bbr began when the nerfed the vector

[untold aurora]

Fuck sake

[foggy wolf]

Why u mad monkey?

😡😡😡😡

[modern lantern]

That got to be a joke Keiof

[foggy wolf]

Why

[odd quail]

No way they aren't just here shitpostin.

[modern lantern]

Fair

[foggy wolf]

I am just an adderall dosing vector abuser

What’s wrong with that

[silk siren]

Keiof either got adhd or is a drug addict

[silk siren]

Then I already provided a solution to this. You're trying to offer a blanket nerf that causes nerfs elsewhere. So ill ask you this. Do you want c4 on medic to do less damage to infantry as well?

[untold aurora]

I was proposing removal of c4 or a weaker c4(c2)

The c2 would obviously do less damage to stuff

[foggy wolf]

Remove c4 from mediccc

[swift sluice]

If the change is implemented, they’ll swap to another class and instantly lose the survivability of medic, forcing them to play near another medic

Their playstyle WILL be hampered

[silk siren]

Not nearly an issue as you would think it is, cause very often medics are dying themselves instantly/ or by the c4 themselves

Holding spacebar and swapping classes doesn't scare these type of players using c4

[swift sluice]

The issue to me isn’t how effective the playstyle is, but how effective it is only on medic

Medic plays assault better than Assault does. How is this not a problem

[modern lantern]

I have stated prior & I will say it again

medic's self heal is a big outlier

they also share several gadgets with assault

[silk siren]

So you're saying yes. Gotcha. It wont happen. You're asking for a whole new item to be created, be a weaker version of something that's already streamlined into the game across all classes. All for a class that you personally feel is too oppressive, when I told you before, you can easily counter.

[silk siren]

Medic does not play assault better than assault does in aspects of gunplay, which assault is meant for, however gunplay in this game is only one of many things that make a player good vs great.

[untold aurora]

They have better assault capabilities than assault

[untold aurora]

I can’t counter 6000000 of them

[silk siren]

Assault is too genaric

might as well rename it to "Default"

Does things well, but nothing great other than aiming, shooting, reloading

[inner cloud]

^

steve preachin rn

sunday service is in session

https://tenor.com/view/black-praise-dance-church-worship-gif-5132477

[silk siren]

Just doing my service so whenever I create suggestions I get X bombed

[swift sluice]

Their gunplay advantages are negligible at best. And for some reason, Assault does not have access to SMG’s, one of the most powerful weapon classes in the game

And PERFECT for a run and gun “assault” playstyle

[silk siren]

I find the gun overlap kinda weird to begin with. Assault already has access to a plethora of guns, though they add dmrs over smgs?

[inner cloud]

real shit

[odd quail]

My thoughts with the assaults passives SMGs might of been too strong, No?

[swift sluice]

And it’s not strong on medic?

[odd quail]

Not really, feels about the same as getting shot at by an engi

[swift sluice]

It sure enables a certain playstyle

[odd quail]

Sure, but every class enables a certain playstyle.

[swift sluice]

It just so happens that the playstyle SMG’s enable for medic is pretty much exactly what assault is supposed to be

[untold aurora]

Run and gun

[woven swan]

The thing is that Medic and Engineer are the only classes with SMG access, and both of them have horrendously annoying things going on with the pair of them. Engineer gets access to RPG spam which a lot of people aren’t terribly happy with, and Medic gets access to faster self healing, and most Engineer players either play their role and hang around vehicles or make destroying them the priority.

Unless you do something akin to restructuring what class gets access to what weapons — which would involve some addition changes to class specific shit like the faster speeds of the Assualt class — it’s just not happening in a way that’s satisfying for the majority.

[dry canyon]

Having 6 RPGs is a little crazy, the fact that it takes all 6 to take out a tank too is also crazy. Just means they get used for other, more sweaty purposes

[unreal scarab]

removing c4 from medic is just going to take fun away from a large group of players. there are better ways to balance classes

[untold aurora]

It’s not like 3 other classes have c4

And more of it

[tender tinsel]

Oh yeah I have so much fun having one single obvious choice of best class

Just because people go for the obviously superior choice in terms of power doesn't mean they wouldn't actually prefer playing something except then they're just handicapping themselves for no good reason

[tender tinsel]

Assault weapon bonuses are a terrible game mechanic and need to be replaced with something that's actually useful

[unreal scarab]

there are better ways to balance classes

medics advantage mostly comes from healing not c4

[tender tinsel]

Yeah we all know that which is why we remove the superfluous extra power it has instead of gutting what makes the class actually special

[swift sluice]

^

Medic doesn’t need C4. Medic doesn’t need to promote the exact same playstyle as assault except better because it’s more sustainable

[jovial rampart]

Ye medic shouldnt even have Guns they are healers

[inner cloud]

honestly we should just remove medic

everyone has bandages anways

[modern lantern]

4 others?

[untold aurora]

Recon has it?

So 4 others

[modern lantern]

pretty sure every class has access, including the disabled leader

That sounds bad, very out of context

hmm, I am unsure how to phrase it better

[woven swan]

Every class does afaik. The only one I’m unsure about is Recon but I think I’ve seen it there as well

[modern lantern]

had a recon try rushing me with C4 this morning

[woven swan]

That sounds hilarious and sad at the same time.

[spark needle]

c4 vest is better, I can run up to a tank an kill it ez

[modern lantern]

jumped out of a Lav to repair it, he shot me with a M110 & saw me duck on opposite end of the lav

best guess he assumed I just when prone oustide & only noticed I jumped in once the turret rotated to face him (he chose to attempt getting close enough I lacked depression but chose to throw it when I could still aim at him)

[woven swan]

It could have been an assault but I’m starting to notice a lot of people don’t use DMRs on Assault

[modern lantern]

ghillie helmet

[woven swan]

Say less

[modern lantern]

hmm

Camo Hat?

[spark needle]

cause ppl dnt want to start a sniper fight half the time
Plus pdw/AR or go touch grass
Or so I'm told

[woven swan]

Leafy cap

[modern lantern]

Yes

[unreal scarab]

c4 vehicle damage def should be nerfed a bit

[unreal scarab]

c4 is not the primary reason medics play aggressive. having smgs, speed, and heals is. if c4 was removed from medic it would not affect their impact on the game as a whole, they would still play the same way

[swift sluice]

It would be one more reason to pick assault over medic

[unreal scarab]

i think assault should get same smgs and armor as medic plus a syringe or something to encourage that playstyle

[swift sluice]

Yes, absolutely. Assault needs SMGs and medic does not

[unreal scarab]

but taking away c4 from medic is just making the game less fun and not actually changing much

[woeful shadow]

Those who don't want C4 removed from medic only have 1 reason
"it would make the game less fun 🤓"
Go heal your teammates, you shouldn't be capable of destroying tanks

Leave that to assault and your engineer

[dry canyon]

Go heal your engineer so they can destroy the tank

[foggy wolf]

nah i dont like healing others

[swift sluice]

Then don’t play medic

Honestly now that bandages heal you I think removing medic’s self heal unless he puts the medic pack down should be seriously considered

exactly how Support’s Ammo box works

Medic would still have a ton of survivability since it has much more bandages than any other class but it wouldn’t be able to easily heal all damage on the fly

[modern lantern]

keep in mind their passive makes bandaging faster, so it may be a buff if they use bandages to heal like everyone else

at least with the current bandaging passive

[swift sluice]

Yeah exactly

[modern lantern]

on topic of the medkit it can be picked up unlike support's ammo boxes which would help

[unreal scarab]

c4 should just get a universal vehicle damage nerf so medics have to use big backpack to fully kill a tank
its not like medics are going around hunting vehicles anyway

[swift sluice]

If that happens I’d like to see higher rocket damage to tanks

Maybe not HEAT but certainly tandem

[past lagoon]

people talking about medics being able to kill tanks, But last time i checked tanks can kill medics. if you find yourself dying a lot to c4's in tanks then you need to work on your awareness and positions.

[modern lantern]

I may had played on a tank combat server, where they did

[swift sluice]

It’s just weird that it’s so bloody fast

[past lagoon]

just putting a c4 on a tank is fast, But you gotta get to the tank first.

[swift sluice]

See, on some maps it’s easier cause of cover

[unreal scarab]

yeah, making it take 6 c4 or reducing throw rate would help

but if a tank is completely oblivious any class should be able to threaten it

[past lagoon]

we should also remove heavy armor from support, remove 1 hit rpg, remove supply for assualt, and remove insta kill from 1000 meter on recon just to make everyone enjoy the game less

[spark needle]

while we're at it remove glint

[modern lantern]

interesting arguement

Anyhow, why should we do that Kevsky?

[lucid basalt]

he thinks I'd hate this
lol

[woeful shadow]

This is the weirdest cope ever

Just admit you like running medic with C4

[honest marsh]

cool idea, instead of making the meds the rushing class we could make the assault like a more valid option to this (in theory this would be that class's job).
sounds more of an option than "Dr. Suicide in the house everyone..."

[untold aurora]

Yeah let’s remove the only reason support is different than the others

[dry canyon]

Stop posting

[spark needle]

dont worry bro, some of us understand sarcasm

[tender tinsel]

Yeah this is why everybody just sits in spawn. The maps are deliberately designed so driving around them is absolute shit where your only options are going into obvious chokepoints full of blindspots or over broken ass terrain that you get stuck on every 5 meters.

[unreal scarab]

crazy how everyone missed the sarcasm

[untold aurora]

You can’t interpret that well through text

😔

[mystic ermine]

movement players gonna go back to mw2 where they belong

[inner cloud]

You think mw2 got movement

Im going back to geometry dash tbh

[timid spoke]

Remove mokey

[untold aurora]

No

[untold aurora]

😔

[foggy wolf]

[keen anvil]

What about breaching charge? It destroys wall + flashbangs people behind the wall but deals no damage

[swift sluice]

why the bold and italics

[dull urchin]

oki mentioned that removing c4 from medic would be a big change to how the game plays but that's kind of the point. Super speedy medic tossing his c4s and getting 20 kills in half a second is ridiculous

[keen anvil]

idk

[timid spoke]

super speedy 💀

have you tried light engineer ?

its faster and has 3 rpgs

[swift sluice]

It would be a big change that is good

[tender tinsel]

Yes, that is exactly the reason we all want this change. We know how much it would change things and it would be in a good way.

[dull urchin]

Yes

[manic canyon]

no

[wheat scaffold]

Apologies if suggested. What about larger explosion radius but remove damage to players/vehicles? Make it a building c4? Still keeps one of the main purposes Oki has discussed before, which is being able to destroy buildings but also removes the very powerful tool from one of the most used classes for aggressive playstyles.

[tender tinsel]

Medic should not be the top choice for aggressive playstyle tho that's the issue

[wheat scaffold]

I am not saying medic being the top choice for aggressive playstyles is a good thing, just recognizing reality and suggesting a way to move that away from there

Medics having c4 means that they will always be the top choice for the aggressive playstyle people, since they can get kills quickly (with the gun selections) + self heal + mass group kill with c4/vehicles, they are the jack of all trades. This means people may actually consider assault over medic since assault would still keep c4 that damages people/vehicles.

[tender tinsel]

Agreed

[timid spoke]

who asked you for infantry suggestion? you just stay busy with your air uber

[tender tinsel]

cope

[wheat scaffold]

But I also run around/gun too when I am not flying 😦

[dull urchin]

A lot of people have recommended replacing medic's c4 with breach charges which is similar to this, basically just being able to destroy walls

[timid spoke]

totally have me in shambles

[wheat scaffold]

Gotcha cool to hear others have suggested it! What do you think?

[tender tinsel]

Seems like the devs are actively considering it so 😎
#battlebit-eng message

[spark needle]

but what about c4 vest?

[tender tinsel]

I don't think that's as big of a problem since it's not enough damage to OHK tanks and the such

[spark needle]

true, but what if that's the next meta? After this nerf

[dull urchin]

Ty for pointing this out

[spark needle]

a c4 vest can 48-50hp(even kill) damage a tank after its been hit twice by rpg, where as vehicles are really easy to this tactic

[tender tinsel]

Wouldn't be surprised to see it more often but at least that requires close proximity, C4 you can chuck out from a fair distance

[spark needle]

agreed

[dull urchin]

I think something like a breach charge is reasonable as far as class balance since medics wouldn't have a grappling hook or an effective way of breaking walls/getting awkward places with a complete removal of it from their kit

[wheat scaffold]

I am not home/can't check. Do medics get access to the sledge hammer?

[dull urchin]

I'll get on and double check but I'm pretty sure it's just assault and recon that get melee weapons

Which recon is an odd choice imo but whatever

[blissful yew]

Don't think so

[spark needle]

for the sledge yea, but pickaxe helps alot

[dull urchin]

Well yeah obviously if you want to poke out one little hole to snipe through

It makes sense that way

[blissful yew]

Good strat

[dull urchin]

I'm just too big of a grappling hook enjoyer on both of those classes

[spark needle]

if u see a sniper not using a fish-eye trick then their just playing for parkour

[dull urchin]

Yeah it's just assault and recon. Had to double check because the removal of leader class still messes with me

[spark needle]

it will be re added I'm sure with milsim mode

[untold aurora]

😔

[flat pumice]

That would be a good nerf. 👍 Medic needs a downside.

[bright coral]

If anything; C4 should be limited on medic to counts 1 at the very least –for "speed builds", 2 as base, and 3 on equipment that modifies the base gadget count to higher than 2.

[silk siren]

Should be the opposite, add more c4 to medic and fix all the bugs with it while oki's at it. Medic right now is a weak class

[jovial rampart]

Compared to assault and support medic is going to be weaker for sure

[modern lantern]

gotta ask, how is medic weak?

[woeful shadow]

He's trolling

[silk siren]

Not fast enough to move speed, Engie is faster, not enough weapons (pdws are getting deleted from the class along with mp7 & pp2000), 0 long range weapons, armor limited, heal box is slower than bandages.

[woeful shadow]

L