Suicide C4 - Feedback

[pallid nymph]

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

• No gifs
• No 'skill issue'

[tribal vigil]

Fun meme. I feel it should have a deadman switch and you can't revive someone who uses it. Kinda defeats the spirit of the weapon

[proper stone]

I wish it was a bit clearer exactly what having more ammo for the suicide c4 does. Is it more damage? Bigger radius? Is there any difference at all?

[tight pumice]

Let's embrace the silliness of this gadget and make it also yeet your body across the sky when used.

[wide badger]

No dead man's switch but bigger radius

[hazy light]

I love Suicide C4 but it's a lot worse than C4 in every way. I don't think we want this thing to be meta but we could make it a decent option.

Ideas I have is more vehicle damage and an explosion delay.

More vehicle damage is straight forward so I'll explain explosion delay.

Currently, the moment you hit the trigger, you'll explode immediately. It's unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but you do run into weird situations where, if you're getting shot at and may die, you'll have to choose to either explode prematurely to guarantee doing at least some damage or wait and risk getting killed and not exploding at all.

The explosion delay would be like a timer where, once you hit the trigger, you have like 1-2 seconds before you actually explode.

Thing is, once you start the countdown, you will always explode 1-2 seconds later, even if you die.

This will allow you to hit the trigger then focus on closing the gap. If you get killed, you still have the chance of hitting them with your hellish rag doll of death.

Timer will remove the awkward situation where you're getting shot at while holding Suicide and have no good response. Answer with the timer would be to hit the trigger and simply see what happens.

It’ll be a much simpler play style. Start the timer, get in there, and cause chaos. It'll feel a lot more responsive and consistent compared to how it feels right now.
Making Suicide stronger might be cancer but that's my take.

Also dead man switch is good idea.

[solid ice]

timed suicide C4 sounds meme af but current suicide C4 is already annoying as it is lol

if you really want to use suicide C4, make it so that the person using it cannot get revived

fair trade honestly, big fuck off AOE, you get to kill a lot of people if done right, but you trade your life for it

[hazy light]

That's dead man switch, and I agree yes.

[solid ice]

that's all i have to say

[hazy light]

Idk either, but I believe Suicide C4 uses two charges with one explosion. Having more than 2 charges will allow you to use it more than once, but it's kinda redundant for pretty clear reasons.

Also, since it uses two charges, you'll be doing as much damage as two C4s. I don't have hard evidence but did some tests and it seems to be the case.

[rugged ermine]

would be funny if you could drop the vest so your buddies could also rush in but yeah you shouldnt be able to be resed

[hazy light]

Literally was taking a nap and thought of an idea to help diversify Suicide C4.

So, rn, Suicide uses two charges and acts as two C4 worth of damage, pretty simple.

We’re all wanting Suicide to blow up your corpse so you can’t be revived, and if devs agree and decided to add this, then having more than 2 Suicide C4 charges would be completely pointless.

So… what if Suicide C4 used all your charges in one explosion? What does that mean? Lemme explain…

So, let’s say you have two charges, which would be the amount you have running suicide with Light Backpack. You press the trigger, blow up, and your damage is equivalent to 2 C4 explosions.

But here’s the kicker, let’s say you’re running Medium Backpack and have 3 Suicide C4. Normally, this would only let you blow up again if you were revived, but, what if you used all your 3 charges in one explosion instead?

So, if you have 3 charges, you’ll do damage equivalent to 3 C4 charges when you trigger suicide.

It would scale with more charges, so if you’re running 5, you do damage equivalent to 5 charges, and 7 will do 7 C4s worth of damage, etc.

This would give actual worth to having more than 2 Suicide C4 imo, and it’ll work nicely with the dead man switch as you wouldn’t be able to use suicide again even if you wanted to.

Explosion size would probably scale with more Suicide C4 as well, so it’ll be bigger the more charges you have. Not a lot bigger but more bomb = more boom.

This theoretically would allow guys to run 4+ C4 then sneak up to tanks and blow them up with one explosion, but, tbh, if a dude is able to get close enough to your tank to use suicide c4, he was probably gonna kill you with normal c4 anyways.

Also, the people who run a shitload of suicide c4 are forced to run Big backpacks, which would slow them down a fair bit in comparison to dudes who run light with 2 suicide c4.

Okay that’s it, I really liked this idea and wanted to share it.
Adding this might unironically make me run Suicide as my normal primary gadget, I think it’s a great concept in the most humble way possible.

Btw, off topic, but I love you devs. The game you made is incredible and I love you guys for that gift alone.

Gave all of us something to play in the shitty modern FPS market and that’s something I can’t thank you guys more for.
Wish you all the best ❤️🧡💛💛🧡❤️.

[rocky estuary]

I remember watching a video where a guy was in a frugis tunnel and there was 30 people around him, he blew himself up, along with 3 other people

that ruined my day

[rocky estuary]

https://youtu.be/nhFJpntAYfM?si=vYJuIfmq6_1tIxl8

moral of the story is to buff the radius

[sage path]

I offed myself point blank to a smoking apc and it was not enough, bruh
2 c4 charges is enough to blow up a full hp one without the risk of being ran over
Buff vehicle dmg

[hazy light]

Bro Suicide C4 should be an exception to the 4 explosion kill limit rule. Smh my head so much lost satisfaction.

[royal tide]

so when's the sprint nerf gonna happen. being in any cqb map means a lot of kills for sprinting over walls/around corners for no risk, and then respawning within 15 seconds and do it all over. you get two people doing this and its impossible to counter, since even if you kill them in time, server tick will still register the explosion.

[hazy light]

idk man this is a discussion about suicide c4

[royal tide]

...that is what I'm talking about.

[royal tide]

I'm speaking specifically about the suicide c4 here. its free kills in any cqb map because of the movement and the fact it's silent beyond your footsteps. minimum risk, maximum reward, and you can do it again in 15 seconds or less.

[hazy light]

Suicide C4 kills you when used, I wouldn't say there's minimum risk. You burn tickets when you respawn ASAP as well, so you'll be a statistical detriment if you're not consistently going positive with your Suicides.

[royal tide]

right, one death for a chance of killing a horde. such a high risk.

[hazy light]

Don't appreciate the tone.

[royal tide]

I mean, you are saying one dude, simply running around a corned and clicking once, or over a wall and getting a feed of kills, then being able to do it again 15 seconds later as something that's ok?

unless you never get kills with it, you will be doing better than some players who are normally on the low end of the scoreboard anyway.
I should say that I'm specifically speaking of CQB/Urban type maps where these areas are either common, or basically what the map is. outside of that, suicide C4 is hardly a problem and fun to use(and be killed by) because of the hilarity.

[sage path]

A horde of 4 lmao

You should try running around with it getting at least kd of 1
Then come back and leave feedback
So far you are spewing hypotheticals

[royal tide]

that's pretty simple to do and I already have that? doesn't help that explosives are broken right now too.

[static pulsar]

Remove the C4 Suicide is my feedback lol

[stoic sleet]

make it have an audio que when activated and give it a slight detonation delay. buff the explosion radius to compensate. its will make it more healthy and less of a cheese death

[proper stone]

A delay would fucking suck. You’d be better off just tossing a regular c4. No thanks.

[dim monolith]

Oh someone is coping about getting killed by me a few times

If you want to counter it use the ump and shoot them like 3 times

[dim monolith]

True I usually end with like 15-30 more deaths than kills

Over the past 2 weeks my kd has dropped from 1.25 to 1.18

[royal tide]

Because that is totally something that’s not going to change.

[dim monolith]

rpgs work

regular c4 works

holding left click with any gun

[royal tide]

yeah, seeing them a mile a way helps too. you are dead if you are doing literally anything else, including shooting at another enemy. there needs to be a way so that people are aware they are there sprinting with the thing out. its free kills in any CQB environment.

[dim monolith]

they can be more aware by using their eyes

but it really is a waste of tickets

i just went 75-113

[royal tide]

there's these things called walls bud

new invention I know

[dim monolith]

suicide c4 most of the time doesnt hit through walls

[royal tide]

the guy running around them wont be seen though

and I think explosions in general are broken right now?

[dim monolith]

idk feels like i get seen more times than not

[dim monolith]

how? never heard of that but idk

[royal tide]

they go through builds rn

[dim monolith]

ah

always assumed i just got lucky and did that

[wide badger]

I don't think so, click, run at them, die, blow up

[dim monolith]

or like shrapnel maybe

[royal tide]

sandbags and hescos, you see it cause frags go through em

having a delay to explode(beeping like the suiciders) but it still blows up after death would be funny as hell.

be like the man portable version of the drone engines

[native marsh]

A slight AoE buff to infantry not in cover/in an enclosed space, would be nice.

A set of multi-kill challenges would be nice as well. Start small with a three person kill and work up to a ten person kill.

[fickle island]

it may just be the nostalgia from MW3 in me speaking, but how about a red glow that's active while holding the suicide C4? Would be cool to see at night too

[royal tide]

yeah, things like that that would make it somewhat noticeable that its being used would be awesome, a delayed explosion but the explosion still happens if you die before it would be really fun to use and fight I think

[fickle island]

also, on the delay aspect, I think it should be toggleable

because if you arm the thing, and there's noone around, it can really suck

idk

[royal tide]

I mean, you pull it out, then have to click to turn it on already

i'm not saying this stuff turns on as soon as you pull it out your pocket lol. as funny as that would be the first couple of times accidently switching to it

[fickle island]

I think in conjunction with the red glow, it could work. Like have a solid flashing glow for a delayed detonation, and have a brighter sloid glow for instant detonation

[royal tide]

two different dets?

[fickle island]

mainly because both methods have their ups and downs

[fickle island]

basically just 2 firing modes

I'm just spitballing

[royal tide]

I would say the instant explosion would just negate any addition to a delayed explosion

I like the idea of a guy sprinting from around a wall beeping and glowing red, and you know you got less than 2 seconds to find cover or your dead

[fickle island]

the delayed explosion would be good if you go in a heavily populated area

it guarantees a detonation

while the instant one feels more risk vs reward

[royal tide]

yep, more noticable, which was my problem, but an actual net buff, cause explosion is going to happen as long as you click before you die

[royal tide]

yes and no, because most of the time they jump around a corner and click, not really checking to see if they are even near targets

cause if they die, no explosion

[fickle island]

idk, I kind of just came up with the idea. I'd definetly take the time to explore my option and tweak it to come up with a solid idea

because I do like the timed detonation stuff, but I feel that instant detonations have their uses as well

[royal tide]

of course they do, but at that point, I think basic c4 fills that gap

[proper stone]

Only the low tier suicide c4 users do this smh

I could never

[fickle island]

except C4 gets way more uses

[royal tide]

the low tier boys are the plague of every urban area

[fickle island]

in servers where suicide d4 is disabled, I just do exactly the same thing with reg. C4

suicide C4 just feels like a self-imposed limitation

[royal tide]

that's exactly what it is lol

kinda like running melee

[royal tide]

if you are upper tier, would you take a 3 second delay on explosion, and being more noticeable, for a guaranteed explosion?

[proper stone]

As an option.

Would I have to select beforehand or could I select it with the gadget out?

[royal tide]

same click function

only instead of instead dead, you beep for 3 seconds, then boom

[fickle island]

I will say, with the delayed detonation, dropping from a heli for bombing runs gets way easier

[royal tide]

literal bombing runs now

[proper stone]

What I mean is when I have the gadget out, could I press one button for instant detonation and one for delayed but guaranteed

[fickle island]

I guess it's similar (not really, but for the purpose of this message, kinda) to the frags vs the impact grenades

[royal tide]

hmm, maybe. two version I think would be a better option

[royal tide]

actually exactly like that

[proper stone]

Then no, I wouldn’t use that

[royal tide]

the only problem with instant is that you can just hide with it out, and then jump and die taking everyone around you, not really much you can do except "watch every angle and kill instantly"

how would it having two firing modes work?

[fickle island]

left and right click

[royal tide]

actually never mind I'm stupid

yeah I was thinking "if one of them throws the c4.."

took me a moment

light glow and beeps that get louder and brighter for the delayed option, like bomber boi from old r6 T-Hunt?

[fickle island]

honestly, that's something I'd do

[fickle island]

I like that idea

beeps that let you know you need to leave, but still deadly if not reacted to quick enough

or make the instant the loud one

idk

[royal tide]

actually

like r6 bomber boi

same sound volume, but it gets alot faster when you use the delayed option

[fickle island]

yeah, I'm thinking that the delayed is kind of like a heart rate monitor that speeds up to a flatline kind of style

[proper stone]

I don’t want suicide c4 to just have a sound passively, that would be a titanic nerf

[fickle island]

I think it would too, but currently, there's zero way of knowing if someone in the building is about to instakill you by pressing M1

and I'm saying that as a suicide C4 main

[royal tide]

I don't think it would be that bad unless you are away from the fighting. cause right now, other than footsteps there's no way to tell where you are in anyway unless you are actually just spotted.

[proper stone]

It would absolutely be a huge nerf.

[fickle island]

I think the beeping for instant should be loud enough to be distinct, but quiet enough so that if you already know people are in the building, it isn't nearly as audible

[proper stone]

There is zero doubt in my mind

There shouldn’t be any beeping whatsoever.

Bad idea. It’s just a flat nerf for a gadget that doesn’t need a nerf.

[royal tide]

it does need one, there's no counterplay.

[fickle island]

I'm saying this for if we got an alt-fire option

I run suicide C4, and inside buildings, it's stupidly effective

[proper stone]

Okay you should also beep when you have a gun out. And if you’re holding a c4. Or if you’re holding a grenade.

Don’t be stupid

[fickle island]

What I'm proposing is a noise that isn't audible unless it's quiet

[royal tide]

there's literally counter play to all of those.

[fickle island]

grenades and guns require time to kill

suicide C4 has a time to kill of "how fast can I run at someone?"

[proper stone]

The counterplay to suicide c4 is don’t stare at the wall and shoot the guy who comes running toward you

[fickle island]

yeah, in a building

[proper stone]

Should the impact grenade beep? Or the c4?

[fickle island]

where there's about 50 places to hide

[proper stone]

I’m about to break the feedback thread rule I swear you guys are ridiculous

[fickle island]

If you disagree with us, then please elaborate. We can't do anything with random objections

and these are ideas, not additions

[royal tide]

impacts instant kill someone on full health within like 2 meters.

[proper stone]

It is not strong enough to warrant that kind of nerf. It’s that simple. And that wouldn’t be a small nerf either. It would be very significant.

[fickle island]

The change would only tell people that suicide C4 is equipped, nothing more

how is fighting someone with suicide C4 vs an M249 any different?

you still want to keep as much distance as you can as humanly possible

[royal tide]

considering its being looked at to buff suicide c4 based on how many you have in your pocket, it wont be as much of a nerf as you think

[proper stone]

Having the gadget broadcast your presence to anyone nearby would be a huge nerf. I don’t think I need to explain why.

[fickle island]

by introducing counterplay?

I'm not saying to directly nerf the C4, but to at least let people know you have it

[proper stone]

That’s not “counterplay” lol that’s just gonna put you at a disadvantage every time. You would be better off just throwing an impact or shooting at them with a gun.

[fickle island]

especially in urban areas, where there is cover everywhere

[fickle island]

How so?

You already make a ton of noise by walking/running

[proper stone]

That is exactly the problem. If someone can always tell when there is a suicide c4 nearby then you’re never going to be able to get the drop on them.

[proper stone]

You’re so close lmao

[fickle island]

All it does is say "hey, at least 1 person in this building is gonna murk me if I get too close"

[fickle island]

As I said before, make it quiet enough so that in the sound of battle, you can barely hear it, but in a quiet area, it's audible

[proper stone]

That’s already how it is when the game has an average ttk of like 0.25 seconds man.

[fickle island]

and the suicide C4 has a ttk of 0. That's a big difference compared to having to aim and fire your gun

[proper stone]

@dim monolith cmere

[fickle island]

as I said, my ideas aim to buff the suicide C4, while also introduce counterplay

You can disagree as much as you want, because I know my ideas aren't going to be as good as something you sit down and think about for an hour or two

[proper stone]

That’s not adding counterplay that’s just a nerf

[fickle island]

and how much of a nerf is it? Truly, how much of a nerf is adding a low-volume MP3 file to the game?

If you have a better idea for providing an opportunity for counterplay, please tell me, because even I know my ideas aren't the best

All I aim to do is incite discussion into a particular avenue

such as telegraphing the presence of the item that has zero opportunity to play around other than standing in an open field, which has its own obvious problems

[proper stone]

I am not exaggerating when I say it would be a very significant nerf. If the other player knows that you’re there, you are at an immediate disadvantage. They are able to kill you very fast and from much farther away than you can kill them. Add the fact that sound is directional and they will always be able to tell where you are. No thanks.

[royal tide]

dont hide in the middle of nowhere then

[proper stone]

What?

[fickle island]

I have a few problems with that point. and I'll explain them.

First, other players already know where you are, because footsteps are still very loud, and utilise directional audio.

Second, you are not locked to suicide C4, you have a primary weapon, secondary weapon, secondary equipment and throwables

[proper stone]

This part about “zero opportunity to play around” really bugs me. It’s absolutely not true. The suicide c4 is not some mythically powerful gadget that you can’t stop.

[fickle island]

I never claimed it was, just that inside a building, or an urban area where LoS is very limited, C4 is almost impossible to play around

[proper stone]

If you want to use it effectively you need to have it out, because the time to kill in this game is fast enough that you won’t be able to swap before dying. I know because I’ve died that way many times.

[fickle island]

you can run into a building with your gun out, then switch to suicide C4 if you think people are getting close

I've done it plenty

even used it when I'm about to die. Just turn a corner and get it out

maybe I'm the exception, but I've done it a fair amount

[proper stone]

Look. What it comes down to is that the suicide c4 is a meme gadget and it’s fun. It’s not particularly strong, but it’s fun. There is no reason to nerf it by adding an audio cue. That would just feel bad for anyone trying to use it.

[fickle island]

I know it's a meme gadget, it's just that I still want it to be viable while still being able to be countered

[proper stone]

The counter is shoot the guy sprinting at you holding his arms to his stomach

[fickle island]

inside a 1x1 box. I know, meme item, but I still hear people get extremely frustrated when I just come out of nowhere and kill a decently sized group with zero effort

anyway, the abmient glow thing I mentioned a while back is something I prefer anyway

I just wanted to explore the idea of audio cues to indicate what state the suicide C4 was in with toggle-fire

[dim monolith]

What

[proper stone]

They want to make the suicide c4 audibly beep when you have it equipped

[dim monolith]

No

Fuck no

[fickle island]

shall I provide context?

[dim monolith]

How else am I gonna stand behind snipers and talk to them

[fickle island]

this

[dim monolith]

If suicide c4 has a beep they need to give it more damage and bigger radius

[proper stone]

A lot more of each

Double it

[fickle island]

if anything, suicide C4 needs the explosion cap taken off of it

as much as I was saying C4 needs to have counterplay, it shouldn't be handicapped by having a max number of people killed per blast at 4

that's just frustrating for both parties

[fickle island]

and as I said, it's not even anything new. If you can hear footsteps, the C4 shouldn't be a big nerf

[dim monolith]

There’s not a max number of people what

I’ve killed 9 with one

Usually getting like 4-7 though

[fickle island]

I've been in groups of about 8 people and max I'ce ever gotten is 4 kills

[proper stone]

All explosions do 490 damage which is spread across people. I don’t know where the post is but you can only kill 4 people at a time if they’re all full health

[fresh vine]

That’s a terrible idea

[analog siren]

...

[fickle island]

I just get frustrated because if the enemy team has even a single medic, suicide C4 is basically useless

[fresh vine]

So then why limit it?

[fickle island]

I'm not. That's how it is in-game

[dim monolith]

In crowded places like frugis metro, wakistan bridges, salhan C and b, and some other areas people aren’t usually at full health because of grenades and other people shooting them though

But all explosives doing 490 is extremely stupid

Each suicide c4 you have should do 400 or something and increase radius by 25% maybe?

Actually 25% might be a lot so 10%

[native marsh]

Explosive damage needs to scale.

[round echo]

I wish suicide C4 didn't exist

[fickle island]

Then people would be doing exactly the same thing with reg C4

[round echo]

I find regular c4 extremely unreliable, I treat it as a literal last resort

[fickle island]

I should know, it's basically every australian server

[round echo]

Only use against vehicles and buildings mostly

[proper stone]

I’m sorry to hear that you don’t feel that way but most of the player base doesn’t

C4 is super popular for a reason.

[fickle island]

In buildings with multiple floors, C4 is a nightmare

[round echo]

The other options kinda suck, that's the only reason most use C4

[fickle island]

suicide C4 is basically just self-imposed limitations

if you want to do well, you generally will be choosing reg C4 over suicide C4 because how how many uses it potentially has

[dim monolith]

@rich prism was that your last game?

fuck

this is not general

[dim monolith]

suicide c4 really is just a meme weapon yeah

[sage path]

Make memes fun, remove kill limit, buff radius, increase vehicle dmg

[dim monolith]

yep

[native marsh]

This. Make suicide bombing realistic, damage wise.

[dim monolith]

yeah

also suicide c4 skins!!!!!

hit 10k kills on it tonight

[native marsh]

No other game has it, that I am aware of, so it's fun to use. I usually use my RPGs, my frags and then use it.

[dim monolith]

yeah most games you have to suicide bomb with some other explosive which kinda sucks

[native marsh]

Well not necessarily. I use the frags as distractions when I sprint in, unless I am clearing a building solo or ahead of my squad. I will usually sprint ahead toss frags through the windows and clear the ground floor with my vest.

If there's snipers or defenders in the windows, I'll dump RPGs into the walls to open them up my squadmates.

[dim monolith]

i use frag grenades to push people towards me

they either run into the frag or they run into me

ive also been holding out a right click throw grenade recently for double suicide basically

[light horizon]

gettting rid of the red light on the player model or make it green/blue on teammates is my 100% want

should have a higher max kills/damage

6 atleast

[stray ingot]

explosives shouldn't have a dmg limit to begin with. it's silly

you should be rewarded for getting fat nukes

[light horizon]

i sorta agree, my only hang up is grenades are waaaay easier to spam

support gets like 12-16 frags a life if you use all your ammo packs

that being said you rarely ever get a frag on 4+ people even spaming in my exp

[sage path]

Suicide C4 should be an exemption to the explosion kill limit
Plus vehicle dmg is total crap, offed myself point blank to 7m hamvee for 37% dmg, cringe

[wide badger]

Y-You mean suicide c4 right?

[sage path]

Ofc

[royal tide]

its based on your settings for the markers no?

[light horizon]

teammates suislide c4 has a red light on it when they have it equipped, its not a huge issue but ive shot at my own team thinking there enemys because of it

[royal tide]

actually? I ain't even seen that. then again, I usually see them for less than a second before they sprint to narnia and kill themselves.

[dim monolith]

Lmao

Not really suicide c4 issue but make it easier to tell the difference between enemies and teammates so I stop trying to kill my team with it

[inland ice]

Can we get sound bytes. Like different beeps or click noises when we set it off (do this for c4 as well)

[royal tide]

please just make it beep or some shit when active, being silent except for footsteps and then just boom is not fun to play against, and after then tenth time dying to the same guy doing what is essentially the same thing with little to no counter except maybe killing him and buying 10 seconds of time its no longer funny and just tedious.

[inland ice]

I agree. Intruder (game) has a cool thing where you can unlock different beep noises - which is where I got my idea from

[royal tide]

I like Shamus' Sentry buster shit, but you can only here it when its like 6 meters away or however far local chat reaches.

could do with less "Allahu Akbar" jokes though. was unfunny for a really long time before this.

same goes for all the people playing that ISIS/ISIL song

[dim monolith]

Imagine it plays rickroll in beeps

[royal tide]

now that would be funny

[dim monolith]

If oki removes the 490 damage cap I could rickroll groups of like 20 people at once lmao

[native marsh]

Seems the respawn timer isn't flat.

If you get a kill with it your timer increases by like 3s. Next kill 5s, next kill 7s. Etc

If you get a kill with anything else, it resets the suicide c4 time to normal times.

[royal tide]

I seriously doubt that honestly

I see the same dude only use suicide c4

[native marsh]

I'm going off personal experience

[royal tide]

and then respawn in 10-15 seconds

[native marsh]

I main suicide c4

[royal tide]

and then do that over 8 times if not more

[native marsh]

You have to get a kill with for the tomer to extend

[royal tide]

yeah, I see this happening

[native marsh]

If you just get a hitmarker, nothing changes

The longest my timer was at today was 24s

[royal tide]

that's just suicide time then

[native marsh]

Kodiak got a little cqb and stained in pink mist lol

[royal tide]

nothing to do with c4 I dont think

[native marsh]

I hadn't factored in suicide timer, good point

What's more interesting is suicide c4 kills aren't tracked as suicides in your player stats.

[meager field]

The respawn penalty should only apply if you died too quickly without damaging an enemy. I specify damaged, because suicide C4 charging heavy vehicles such as APCs or tanks does contribute to either killing it outright or softening it up for your teammates to finish off.

[meager field]

I don't think a beeping sound would have that much of an impact. I generally sprint straight into gun fire and tanks, so they almost always see or hear me coming regardless. Do you only use it with stealth in mind?

[royal tide]

the suicide c4 mains want it to be silent to hide and jump on people with no time to react

they think its a "massive nerf" to make it audible

[proper stone]

I’m not a suicide c4 main lol

[meager field]

I almost exclusively use Suicide C4 lmao. My "favorite gun" only have 64 kills in comparison to roughly 6k Suicide C4 kills. I sometimes even do my own noises with a sound board lmao

[royal tide]

yeah, I just want the noises

suicide c4 is supposed to be a meme, not what is essentially a meta

I would laugh everytime if I heard a fucking beeping, sentry buster style, quickly get closer. but right now its just tedious because man appears, 4 people die.

first time is funny, 12 time from the guy jumping out a window not so much

[proper stone]

Essentially a meta lmfao

[meager field]

I think it's greatest weakness comes with the repetition of the same charges. After a couple charges from the same direction the enemy tends to adapt by pulling back instead of hiding directly around the corner.

[meager field]

At least in my experience seeing people use Suicide C4 is pretty rare. I typically only see it used as a response to me slamming the same person with it multiple times. Plus, it's also not a good way to get positive K/D in general with the exception of very specific situations.

[dim monolith]

If you can’t see someone running at you, you have other issues

[dim monolith]

My favorite gun has 800 kills and suic4 has 10k

[royal tide]

ah yes, because guys running at me over open ground is the problem

not the guys hiding in windows or around corners, or under ledges, or over ledges.

[dim monolith]

How many of your deaths per game are suic4

Like actually

[royal tide]

seriously not the point. the point is that there's no counter play at all other than having a one shot weapon and getting a headshot, if you happen to see them in time.

not being able to do anything unless they are stupid is not fun.

[meager field]

Not trying to be mean, but riddling them full of bullets works exceptionally well. The only time I can immediately detonate on an enemy with absolutely no warning is if they're hiding directly around the corner and they haven't poked their head out to check if anyone is coming in a long enough time.

[dim monolith]

Yeah it’s really not hard to counter it

Just pay more attention to your surroundings

[sage path]

If your gonna wait atound corners with c4 your impact is low af and likely only gonna get 1 kill per explosion
Its ineffective
On the other hand rushing in looking for kills gets you killed quite often as you have to run through open spaces

[royal tide]

plenty of maps with few "open spaces" to do so. hell pretty sure you can just blast through walls that are thin enough currently.

[proper stone]

You can’t do this with a gun though it’s impossible, right?

They should make every player beep so I can’t get surprised anymore

[atomic mango]

Is the 20 second respawn time on suicide c4 set in stone, or is there potential that this will be changed? I have no will to play the game if I have to wait this long every time I want to use my favorite weapon. Already uninstalled at this point.

[royal tide]

yeah but that's not an explosive that will kill 4 people with a single click.

[proper stone]

Good thing you can’t do it multiple times in a row with the normal c4 either.

[royal tide]

which is also problematic, but this isn't the thread for regular c4 now is it?

[proper stone]

Are you aware of what a comparison is

[royal tide]

your shit comparison was acting like I don't see a problem with regular c4 as is.

[dim monolith]

The rpg is a gun that will kill 4 people with a single click

[royal tide]

also a problem I have spoken about, welcome to the "Suicide c4" thread and not the "RPG" thread.

[dim monolith]

It’s a comparison 💀

[royal tide]

and just like Bobs shit comparison

[dim monolith]

You are acting like suic4 is the only thing that can do that

[royal tide]

just because one thing is also bad

[dim monolith]

We both have you examples of something else that can do that

[royal tide]

does not mean it something else can not be fixed because of it

literally all explosives deal the same player damage as far as I can tell.

all capped at 490 I think?

RPG, c4 and Suicide c4 are the active problems in the explosive category. the other things are mostly passive.

and like I said I have talked at length abouth the other things you are "comparing" too.

[vernal grove]

correct

when they really shouldn't be

[dim monolith]

Still can’t understand at suic4 is an active problem

[dim monolith]

Jump into group of 20 people
Kill 4😭

[royal tide]

its an active problem because lack of counter play.

same thing as regular c4

and RPG

[urban adder]

it’s funny the first few times

[dim monolith]

It has more counterplay than literally any other explosive

[royal tide]

if you are stupid sure

[vernal grove]

suicide c4 could be fixed by adding flashing red lights all over

making you an obvious target

[urban adder]

then when i’m on a streak and @dim monolith jumpscares me it’s annoying asf

[dim monolith]

Add flashing red lights all over people who have higher than 1.5 kd then

[royal tide]

I just want it to be somewhat noticeable, sounds or lights or both, and then buff the thing because it would be funny.

[vernal grove]

yeah this

[dim monolith]

Sorry 😔

[royal tide]

RPGs need a complete rework

[urban adder]

remove

[royal tide]

regular c4 needs a complete rework

[vernal grove]

regular c4 needs magnetism fix as well as damage cap removal

[royal tide]

I just suicide c4 buffed but more noticable.

[vernal grove]

but also... radius decrease?

because it should be strong but i am wiping 30+ people in a row with it and i think maybe i should be putting them closer together

its fun but not fun when im NOT RECORDING 😡

[dim monolith]

If suicide c4 had double the range and no damage cap on infantry and maybe like 800-1000 on vehicles I would be fine with a flashing red light where the c4 is on the character

[vernal grove]

^^^^

[royal tide]

no damage cap on infantry and a gurenteed explosion would be a massive buff. hell its own damage cap would likely be needed.

dont like the vehicle damage though, there's enough AT in the game already, we don't need more.

[dim monolith]

Suicide c4 is a weird AT though

Getting close enough with it is hard so higher vehicle damage I think would be fine

Until people start jumping off helis onto tanks

[royal tide]

until squad spawning is fixed, I really don't want more AT out there

Sounds would be fucking funny too, I would love to have beep renditions as a kill unlocked "skin" for suicide c4.

[dim monolith]

Yeah

But sound would ruin some things with it

Like sneaking up and having a conversation with a sniper? Couldn’t do that anymore

[royal tide]

sound when active was my idea

2-5 seconds then boom even if you die

I don't want it to be "pull it out, everyone knows where you are". that would take the fun out of using it. I was thinking more Cloaker scream surprise than anything

[urban adder]

yep

[royal tide]

magnetism sure, damage cap hell no. everybody no matter the class gets 4-7 and can throw them 20 meters. unless they are completely reworked that needs to stay same. keep in mind the damage cap only applies for one thing, people usually already throw 3 at least.

[dim monolith]

Regular C4 should only do 290 damage lol

[vernal grove]

people cry about realism but what happens in real life when you throw a c4 into a room of 30? only 4 die and the rest are unscathed?

@dim monolith explain THAT, milsimmer.

[dim monolith]

I’m not a milsimmer lmao

I just want to nerf cheater clans

[vernal grove]

ah like your clan

[royal tide]

I dont think you know how c4 works IRL lol

[stray ingot]

the explosive damage cap is stupid and needs to be removed

not just for the C4, for everything

[royal tide]

the other shit needs to be fixed first

[dim monolith]

I’m not in gromp

[royal tide]

Found out you can couple this with a riot shield, the shield will not be put away(i.e still bullet proof) for other players by the time you have the det in your hand and can trigger it. Niche problem but I don't think that's intended.

[dim monolith]

@fresh pagoda reference

[fresh pagoda]

yep i know

[royal tide]

?

[fresh pagoda]

it's tied to lag compensation and packet receiving timing

its technically working as intended but it is quite shitty

[solid ice]

The respawn penalty while improved still does frequently boost upwards of 10 seconds after a few kills although some what inconsistently although frequently, but will continue to extend regardless of how well you do. The only way to reduce the timer back to something more normal is to allow an enemy to kill you as ignoring it results in consistent exceedingly long respawn times.

I think suicide c4 kills should perhaps fall under an exception to the respawn penalty as it's not even needed to quickly die to keep a fast respawn for fast travel. Allowing the enemy to kill you, or to place yourself in a 1 vs many situation will still achieve the same result with no penalty applied. Another possible solution could be that when you die the game remembers where you died, and the farther away you try to spawn from there the higher the respawn penalty is. It would pretty much be a different respawn timer on each location instead of the current universal one.

[reef arrow]

My take on this is the timed suicide c4 is a good thing that should be added with a beeping noise so people know when you are going in for the suicide c4. It adds to the skill play for both players secondly dead man's switch makes sense as you go in as a suicide bomber basically. Shouldn't be able to be revived. Thirdly why more ammo? Just give it one charge and make the explosion radius bigger. Doesn't have to be much but it would be a way to make suicide c4 a more skill based weapon as well as a last ditch effort to get kills when you run out of ammo or know you are going to die.

[dim monolith]

It does not need a beep

That is the dumbest thing

If it has a beep so should regular c4

But just be more aware it’s not that hard

[reef arrow]

Does c4 make a sound before it goes off?

[dim monolith]

No?

If a person runs up to you and shoots you with a gun shouldn’t they have a beep too?

So you know when they’re close to you

[royal tide]

That's a single target and you can actually flick them in the head if you are good/lucky, or just kill them with friends. with this its you see a frame and suddenly 4 people are dead.

so yes, it either needs a light and/or beeping either when its out and keep a instant explosion, or when activated and an explosion 2-3 seconds later even on death.

[dim monolith]

Suicide c4 has to be way closer than a gun though so you should have much more time to stop the person no?

[royal tide]

No, because generally, you don't use it in the open field like a dumbass

you use it in urban places, or simply places with enough corners or vaultable walls

you can kill people on the otherside of say a HESCO wall before you even fully clear it, so they would see at best a couple frames of your helmet

same thing with corners, you do not need to fully clear it to kill people on said corner, as long as you can see them you can kill them

[dim monolith]

So we should nerf a weapon for y’all having a skill issue

Using a weapon where it should be used is op

[royal tide]

right

totally

its not like you cannot flick or engage them because if you are close you are dead before their model even appears for more than a frame or two

[dim monolith]

And this message and the one below can be done with grenades and regular c4 lol

[royal tide]

yeah and c4 is stupid too, and grenades have a gadget to counter them

its almost like regular c4 is a problem too but this is the suicide c4 thread

[dim monolith]

Suicide c4 isn’t a problem really

Nerf meme weapons buff real weapons

[royal tide]

just likeSMGs werent

just like the vector wasn't.

[dim monolith]

Smgs and suicide c4 can not be compared💀💀💀

[royal tide]

oh but guns and suicide c4 can?

sure buddy.

[dim monolith]

My favorite thread

[royal tide]

c4 is a problem, suicide c4 is also stupid right now. grenades have a counter that everyone on the team can use, and use it 4 times per player.

anyway, you are obviously just trying to protect your way to farm kills

[dim monolith]

I think before you complain about suic4 being op, try going positive with it

[royal tide]

easy to do once you learn you don't need to expose most of your model bud

[dim monolith]

So do it

Get 100 kills and go positive

[royal tide]

I do, when I choose to, its not my preferred playstyle

"just play a way you don't like playing and earn 100 kills solely with Sc4"

sure man

its not like its not easy to get 4+ kills with it if you use it in the right spots

stop acting like it is

[dim monolith]

It’s not easy if you’re playing against real players lol

NA is just too busy roleplaying to shoot me

[royal tide]

right I only play in the "AI only" servers that BB definetly has. Not like I'm playing against cateat and flyace sweats on the regular

[dim monolith]

I mean you just seem like you’d only play official conquest

[royal tide]

I only play official when my regular servers are empty

[torn arrow]

Cateat and flyace shouldn't be in the same sentence all I'm gonna say

[royal tide]

their both full of sweats, so it works for the point of my sentence.

[torn arrow]

Outside of helicopters flyace is decent at infantry at best

And even then it's like 1 or 2 players

[royal tide]

my point was sweats, but sure point made. I see more Cateat anyway

[vernal grove]

the solution is don't play conquest

[royal tide]

for flyace sure

[vernal grove]

if you want to avoid cateat you avoid BBC servers

i still drop 100 in those servers lol

cateat is full of pubstomp grinders theyre not "sweaty"

bulba is right . cateat and flyace are two totally different parts of the goblin cave

[royal tide]

pubstomp grinding is the epitome of sweaty though

it doesn't just mean metahugging

[vernal grove]

not really. just run to the side and c4 a blob

[royal tide]

also true

[vernal grove]

no need to tryhard or sweat, anyone can do it if they arent busy roleplaying or W keying into the front

if i can do it like the "sweats" of cateat then im sure anyone can

im really not that good. bbr players are idiots so maybe suicide c4 doesnt need a nerf

only times i've ever died to sc4 are when danarchy jumps me or i'm unaware and made positioning mistake

don't think it needs a Nerf aside from some SLIGHTLY more obvious indication someone is holding it

[royal tide]

can't really be called a mistake if its "near wall/corner/window"

I don't even want a true net nerf

[vernal grove]

about this, guns unfortunately have really fast ttk in battlebit too and you will die faster than you can physically react sometimes. same thing with sc4

[royal tide]

fuck give it a bigger explosion and remove the cap if you want, I just want a sound when someone clicks it, and 1-3 seconds chance to get away. could even give it funny sounds that play in world rather than over mic or something as a kill goal

[royal tide]

while true, you can also get lucky and one tap them depending on your weapon

it just feels different becasue there was a chance if you saw them, it wasn't relagated to a couple frames of their model

[dim monolith]

1-3 seconds to get away is fucking stupid

Like how dogshit are you

That’s a worse ttk than every gun in the game pretty much

[royal tide]

right, because what, it it would bleed into your easy kills?

[dim monolith]

💀

Easy kills

[royal tide]

every other explosive has a trigger sound and time.

[dim monolith]

Suicide c4 involves literally committing suicide

That’s why there’s no trigger sound and time

You die

[royal tide]

so? easy to go positive with it

[dim monolith]

Then do it

Show me proof

[royal tide]

I do, easily lol.

find pile

jump in

[dim monolith]

Sure

[royal tide]

boom

4 kills minimum

[dim monolith]

5 kills maximum really

Too many medics now to get more than 5

[royal tide]

unless you are deciding to sprint at someone over open ground, you will go positive while doing so as long as you also are not stupid on spawns

[royal tide]

depends if someone else was stupid and placed traps near the pile. My best was 17 kills with it becasue of all the ap mines and c4 they placed around themselves

[dim monolith]

That’s not only suicide c4

Suicide c4 is capped at 490 damage

Meaning you’re only killing 4 full health people max and maybe 5 or 6 if you get lucky and no one is healing

[royal tide]

I do know about the cap, which I find stupid for all explosives, why not just have the explosions do the damage the explosive is supposed to do..

[vernal grove]

c4 blob clips would be so much easier to get and explosives would actually be seen by the community as the strongest items in battlebit

[royal tide]

eh true, there's just too much out there right now the get rid of said cap

not like it isn't easy to do anyway with how quick regualr c4 can be thrown with each having its own cap.

[reef arrow]

@dim monolith part of the fps genre is listening to your surroundings if someone comes up behind me I can hear their foot steps and gun both fire. Like do you have no idea how most fps games work? It's like the silent grenades in this game hearing it land is something that makes sense but it doesn't always happen you gonna tell me grenades shouldn't make a noise when hitting something either?

[dim monolith]

You can hear suicide bombers footsteps though?

[royal tide]

they sound like literally everyone elses, and if you are near friendlies good luck using that to identify shit, especailly since some/most times friendly footsteps are glitched to sound like enemy footsteps(louder)

[dim monolith]

Honestly

Seems easier to remove all explosives from the game

Would save the devs thousands of complaints

[royal tide]

or do in ways that have been done before and were far more balanced? there's a reason literally every game limits how many explosives a single player can have, and what classes can use them.

[dim monolith]

I think we need @upbeat bane’s amazing opinion on this

[upbeat bane]

Dont want to read all these messages but

Cant really change anything on suicide c4

Maybe the max amount of kills

If spawn penalty gets removed people would just use sui c4 to respawn

[dim monolith]

If you get kill with suic4 penalty does not get added

[upbeat bane]

Fr?

[dim monolith]

No I mean it should be that way

Mb

Should’ve said that before

[urban adder]

remove suicide c4

[wide badger]

Remove Meizu

[dim monolith]

Remove meizu

[urban adder]

remove suicide c4

[wide badger]

Remove Meizu

[urban adder]

remove suicide c4

sui c4 on exo armor only

[dim monolith]

Land mine rp

[wide badger]

This but remove the kill cap and double the radius and I'll support it

[solid ice]

I'd totally take adding beeping sounds and no revive in exchange for a dead man's switch and no revive for those who die by suicide c4. More ammo = bigger boom is also super awesome. I really like these.

[dim monolith]

If it’s only in exo they gotta quadruple the radius💀

0.5 mph

[solid ice]

My only problem with exo armor only is wouldn't it reduce run speed? Kinda kills high mobility pure C4 build

[dim monolith]

Meizu just hates suicide c4😔

He’s suicidephobic

[solid ice]

He should try suicide c4 it is the most fun weapon. never using guns again

[dim monolith]

I used suicide c4 for too long

I’ve actually switched back to guns and regular c4

[solid ice]

gasp I could never lol. pair it with tandem rocket launcher and nothing is a bad target. Hearing the baffled reactions of a tank/ helicopter crew when you kill them with suicide c4 never gets old

[dim monolith]

I have 11k kills I got burnt out after hitting 10k

Plus regular will just get more kills most of the time

[solid ice]

holy lol. I think I have maybe 6k - 7kish. I don't mind getting less kills or sometimes going negative. I only care about the boom

[solid ice]

After the first death in a match I'm averaging 14 seconds usually upwards of 16 after most deaths for the respawn timer, and averaging around 8 or 9 if an enemy kills me, and seeing 19 seconds if I get a kill within seconds of spawning. the suicide timer is really punishing. It's weird, some games it'll give you 8 or 10 a few times but others it's just dropping 16+ after 16+ with no end. I know it's not the solid 20 seconds anymore, but it's still really bad. It's been fun but I just can't.

[dim monolith]

Play community servers if you want shorter cooldown

Usually im only getting 10+ if I suicide, and suicide again immediately after respawning

[urban adder]

remove sui c4

[dim monolith]

Remove medic

Remove meizu

[night mica]

how dare you

[vernal grove]

remove snoman

[dim monolith]

Meizu and blanksp are gonna be the reason I switch back😭

And catEat

[vernal grove]

switch to what

[dim monolith]

Suic4

[vernal grove]

i hope you get removed

[dim monolith]

Ok noob

[proud pike]

Do you think this should trigger the increased spawn that it currently does?

[wide badger]

Only if you don't get anyone

[dim monolith]

If you get someone it should decrease the respawn timer

Every kill you get is .50 seconds less

[solid ice]

The increased respawn time has completely ruined suicide c4. I hope the dev's can at some point make it the exception to the rule with how the suicide punishment system works. They made it the way it is now to reduce fast traveling, but it doesn't stop people from just letting the enemy kill them and retain the same respawn time. We get punished for playing, but they can continue to play as normal. I just can't deal with this 16+ second respawn time stuff anymore. Just gonna lurk in hopes that some day it changes or is rolled back to the universal 5 second respawn time.

[jade sonnet]

maybe fix the spawn system to remove that dumb fast travel

[urban adder]

30seconds + 15 seconds per kill with it so if you kill 2 people you get a 2 minute cooldown

[dim monolith]

Die

[dim monolith]

Increased respawn time has not completely ruined it

I’m still able to get like 80 kills per game with it

[solid ice]

It's not really the kill count I'm concerned with. I can still do well with it too, but having to constantly wait extended periods make it very unenjoyable to use.

[dim monolith]

The the respawn timer also only starts increasing if you’re suiciding back to back which you probably shouldn’t be doing if you’re not getting a group of people

[solid ice]

I detonate on the first enemy I see even if they are alone with maximum run speed, while spawning off of whoever is closest to the largest fight.

[static canopy]

why are you noobs browsing this post? 🤨

[dim monolith]

Who are you calling a noob

[tacit verge]

Hi. I like the game and I think it’s awsome. So good job there😁

Suggestion:
If we are running around with a c4 suicide bomb in our hands we should also be able to use it when we get downed. It should then instant kill us.
I don’t think we should get to use other weapons when we are down but the suicide bomb is one trigger button. If we can be helped up and fight again I think we should also be able to use our thumb to suicide.
I thought about this for a while and I know it’s annoying if everyone starts doing it but remember it only works if you have it in your hands when getting downed. 😉

[loud cargo]

I don't got any problems with the gaget or anything, but like..
Why does that everyone who uses the Suicide C4 all sound like the same guy?

Why is there anything left to pick after you explode, where are the chunks and armor pieces raining down?

[tacit verge]

What do you mean? Do you mean me or are you referring to the suiciders in game?

[loud cargo]

I mean in the game, it's all the same jokes on repeat.

Oh here comes the guy screaming " Allah ack-bar " again, you know? going 3-5 kills and deaths even cause they keep blowing up on one guy at a time.

[tacit verge]

Ah. Actually I never met other suicide enemy’s. I’m not that good in the game that’s why I also walk around with the suicide c4. But only when I know there are a lot enemies close to me. And if someone appears I instantly explode hoping to get him. Sometimes it’s just a teammate. 😅

[dim monolith]

I don’t scream allah ackbar shit lol

And usually I’m getting like 60-100 kills a game with in

[fickle island]

could be that you get the 16 second respawn if you don't deal player damage

I could see that working

[dim monolith]

I would love this change so much actually

[fickle island]

player or player occupied vehicle

[exotic grotto]

sometimes i just wanna meme around and go suicide c4 only but im punished with extra long respawn times because of those xp abusers from a while ago. really takes away the fun of a goofy weapon

[dim monolith]

The xp abusers barely even used the respawn, and literally only used it to fast travel

Oki just needed something to nerf so it looked like he was doing something

[loud cargo]

It's a deserved punishment for blowing your self up to get kills, the joke shouldn't last the whole match.

[exotic grotto]

Tbh awful take. You should be allowed to have fun with the stupid funny thing.

[loud cargo]

Awful take, it's too stupid and funny.

[exotic grotto]

Maybe punish on ticket based modes for throwing a bit but on something like invasion it shouldn't increase respawns

[urban adder]

yup

he got it completely wrong lol

[green moth]

It been a while since I used it

[green moth]

Just got done using it, Why is there a 4 kill limit on this

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being a SuiC4?

Please Devs, if yall do read these threads please give the reasoning for this unnecessary hard nerf.

[royal tide]

that has been the way since basically launch, how the hell did you not know this? its also for every explosive max damage is 490 with no multipliers

[green moth]

I remember when they made the change, (like I said, has been a few months since the free trials when I played) but still a 4-kill limit is horrible. At least a 10-kill limit would do better

[dim monolith]

Should be no kill limit on it

There have been multiple times recently where I should've gotten 15x+ kills with it

[green moth]

Same, I once got a 30+ on one bomb run

[dim monolith]

😔

Oki hates us

[vale moat]

I don't believe you should be revivable if you commited to a Suicide C4

It defeats the point of the game. If you're using you're own life to dislodge a good enemy hold only to get revived after without losing a ticket. smh.

[dim monolith]

then the enemies shouldnt be allowed to be revived either

same for getting hit by a regular c4

[vale moat]

The enemy isn't suiciding

It's literally in the name "Suicide C4"

Why should you revive from that.

[dim monolith]

Why should you get to revive from a c4 blowing up in your face

[vale moat]

Because you aren't the one suiciding

Like , do you want me to spell Suicide in another language that you can f*** understand ?

[dim monolith]

You're getting suicide bombed

I don't understand why you want to nerf one of the worst gadgets so hard

[vale moat]

When Tf did I ask for it to be nerfed ?

Stop grasping straws and pointlessly arguing for the sake of it

[dim monolith]

No revive after suicide is a nerf

??

[vale moat]

Go be miserable somewhere else

[dim monolith]

It gets one use anyway unless you have resupply lmao

[vale moat]

man doesn't understand the meaning of Suicide

Literally goldfish on two legs

[dim monolith]

Man doesn't understand this game isn't irl

[vivid smelt]

I don't believe you should be revivable if you get killed to a Suicide C4

[tawny sluice]

Man doesn't understand it's a gadget that's meant to be used 😭 why the fuck would anyone use it if you couldn't be revived

[vale moat]

Man you're thick as shit

[dim monolith]

If I point an rpg at my feet and kill someone should I not be able to be revived?

[vale moat]

Why should you be revived if you commited to giving your life away

[tawny sluice]

Mate it's a video game quit being a spacka

[vale moat]

Dude's pointlessly arguing because he just wants to be a prick

[tawny sluice]

I can throw c4 at my feet and kill someone and myself should I be allowed to be revived?

[vivid smelt]

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[dim monolith]

I'm arguing because you just gave the worst feedback about this game💀

[slow reef]

Umm actually I think reviving shouldn't be part of the game at all. Its so unrealistic

[dim monolith]

If you die to anything besides a gun you shouldn't be revived

[vale moat]

You literally get punished more for falling off

Than using a C4

[slow reef]

you shouldnt fall off

[dim monolith]

You don't but ok

It's the same respawn timer for suiciding and falling off

[slow reef]

my bad

it counts as self kill

[vale moat]

Noooo Shit.

[slow reef]

so timer increases

[vale moat]

Nice Edit by the way

Basically telling me to fall off a building then editing it again to make it you did nothing

[dim monolith]

So how do you get punished more for falling off??

Kata would never do that wtf!!

[tawny sluice]

Literally the exact same timer lmfao

[vivid smelt]

Yeah same timer. but using sui c4 you will be doing that more so it punish you more since the timer will go up

[eager mist]

In a game with infinite respawns, there are actually 0 downsides to using suicide C4. Needs some sort of negative component to it. Also you should not be revivable after using suicide C4.

[dim monolith]

There is a downside

It's called suicide timer

Suicide c4 being capped at 4 kills per use, you only get one use even if it says you have 3 or 4 or whatever.