G3 - Feedback

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Put your feedback on the G3.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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[alpine pier]

imo it shouldn't be a dmr

maybe add a new gun category : Battlerifles

G3, SCAR-H and FAL

[bitter elm]

throw the mk14 ebr in there aswell

[alpine pier]

yea I guess

[split bison]

When emptied it always does fast reloads like throwing the mag away even though you keep it... this is kinda confusing xD

Plus idk why i instantly unlocked the first 3 short range and one long range scopes, like why does it start with scopes when other weapons have to progress for the first scopes?

[bitter elm]

yea it is kinda wonky, "fast reload" animation while doing a normal one and having 3 short range scopes equipped from the start

[nimble gulch]

why does g3 have ak reload why ak does not 😭

still looks cool just odd

[hazy swift]

True af

[onyx pine]

Yup this “dmr “ can’t even three shot normal armour

[bitter elm]

the biggest L of this gun but otherwise it's fucking amazing

[onyx pine]

In what way?

I must be missing something

[bitter elm]

i meant the gun? not you xd

[onyx pine]

Ye

Ik

What’s amazing about the gun

[bitter elm]

it's hk, it's german, it's a fucking ar but with dmr damage curve

oh well the reload's "meh" but if we buffed the damage up to 40 it'd be perfect

[onyx pine]

Idk to me it’s just wors fal tbh

[onyx pine]

42

Looks and sounds epic tho

[bitter elm]

well yes but actually no, can you snipe a sniper at 480m with the fal?

also the sound 🤌

[bitter elm]

other f/a dmr got 40dmg, i think that'd only be fair

[onyx pine]

True that but problem is , so can m110 and the other dmrs and they can do it better..

[bitter elm]

yeah but the g3 just assault rifles on top of that, and not to badly tbh

[onyx pine]

I would Definatly put a long barrel or whatever it’s called to make it 3 shot normal

[bitter elm]

it's a 3sk tho, just not against anything over light

[onyx pine]

Yup but 3/5 people use normal so I base my hits to kill of 125 health

So I run long barrel. On FAL to make it do 42 damage and 42x3 =126

[void valley]

I think its fine the way it is personally,but what holds it back is the firerate and not the range of it but the overall ranged performance

still love the gun due to its design but the stats aren't anything special

[hidden flare]

I feel this needs to eventually be done. We're getting too many guns that are crossway between DMR and regular AR's

[hollow river]

is it just me or is empty dump load actually slower than normal empty

[dawn hazel]

damage doesnt need changing

this gun doesnt need changing its fine as is

we just need a battlerifle class

[bitter elm]

it doesn't need it yes, but it'd be cool if it happened

[dawn hazel]

its already good

Up damage and its op

We dont need every gun to be op

Its already a laser

0 recoil

and 2 shot to head

Does not need changing

you cant just buff every non meta gun

its fine

[bitter elm]

ik, just said it'd be cool 😉

[dawn hazel]

it'd be overpowered

which isnt cool

[bitter elm]

well one can dream

now gimme that mg3

[dawn hazel]

there would literally be 0 reason to use the fal or scar if the g3 did 42 damage

[bitter elm]

i understand no worries man XD

[scarlet belfry]

The G3 needs more magazine options

[last nebula]

G3 is overtuned and a bit too powerful at the moment

3 shot kills, 500RPM, 20 bullets, that's a scar h but way better recoil

[bitter elm]

but sucks against armor, reload's bad, ads is bad, movement speed isn't good
the gun is alright
if you reaaalllllyyy wanna complain about 3sk guns with no recoil go shit on the groza and ump smh

[last nebula]

Make it 34 damage and increase it's horizontal to 1.5 imo should be good

[last nebula]

Uhhh, 900m/s? Extremely low damage drop off? 2 shot headshot?

[bitter elm]

what are you crying about, a dmr that isn't shit?

[dawn hazel]

bro what none of the dmrs are shit

[bitter elm]

gl getting consistent 2taps

[bitter elm]

ebr and svd feel bad

[last nebula]

I just did a 94-16 game with the damn thing, 2 tap heads a ton

[dawn hazel]

skill issue

also armor is barely an issue

cause i just dont hit it

[last nebula]

Tbf the G3 currently overshadow those 2 guns by a lot

[dawn hazel]

If a battle rifle category was created with a damage curve in between ARS and DMRS then this would not be an issue

[last nebula]

The G3 have 0.2 less vertical than the Mk14, 100 more RPM, 0.5 less first shot kick, 3 less damage
Same horizontal, same velocity

[bitter elm]

and? what's your best game and what gun did you use

[last nebula]

The only downside is probably reload speed of it

[last nebula]

RPG

[bitter elm]

yeah then buff, nerfing everything is not a good way to balance

[dawn hazel]

@last nebula this mfer schlamm wanted the g3 to do 42 damage as if it isnt already broken as hell 😭

[last nebula]

Bro I just want a slight nerf to it and you think I wanna kill the gun or sth 💀

[bitter elm]

i didn't want to

it was just a random thought you dickhead

[bitter elm]

the recoil is what gives it its identity, it's half dmr half ar but it doesn't do both of them increadibly good so really why nerf? just cuz you're good? worse players won't do as good

[last nebula]

My brother in christ it has no recoil, less than SMG even if you factor in how ROF affect recoil

[bitter elm]

i would call 1.1 h-recoil at 50m "no recoil" especially with such a slow firerate where every bullet counts but w/e the gun just got added and now people are crying because everyone, their mom and their pet tried it out

[last nebula]

That's your opinion about it, and my opinion think it's too low for the gun I've hit like dozens of 100m kills with it using a close range sight so it must mean something

I wouldnt be suprise if people all start spamming the gun cuz of it's versitality, but we'll see I guess

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split bison]

i wouldnt say the reload speed is a downside since i think this is one of the most balanced parts of the gun xD but the speed at which u can combine mags is way to fast for an assault rifle dmr mix.

[last nebula]

Combining mags time is based on the weapon class I think, SMG have better speed than LMG

[split bison]

idk, sry i never really play LMGs xD

[last nebula]

I never combined mag on lmg, cuz I could just yeet an ammo box

[void valley]

honestly its fine the way it is

[bitter elm]

literally

[old lagoon]

everything fine for me, its a good gun but i think theres a bit confusing problem with the reload animation, the normal empty reload feels faster than the quick one

[bitter elm]

the normal reload plays the quick reload animation 🤣

[old lagoon]

right, thats also what i think

[bitter elm]

oh yeah also who ever said "full auto at 100m" doesn't know what 100m in this game are, maybe 70m but even that stretches it with the recoil if you're not good at it
so yeah people just crying about a gun that everyone uses for a few days because it's new

[sleek gust]

need more damage or fire rate

[flat canopy]

This gun is hilarious because it seems like half of the people talking about it say it’s total shit and the other half think it’s better than the vector ever was

[cunning gyro]

deadass i came in here to see the general opinions cause im p bad at the game so im oblivious to how guns are performing and theres just no consensus whatsoever

[dawn hazel]

no it fucking doesnt

[hollow river]

Its uh

Pretty good ig

[dawn hazel]

how are you guys so braindead that you cant look at any other stat besides damage and firerate

the g3 is a fucking laser

it doesnt need buffing

[hollow river]

The animations piss me off tho

[dawn hazel]

yheah\

[void valley]

Listen,when you have other rifles like the ak15 ak5c scar h and fal doing pretty solid damage at a higher rate of fire,this gun really isn't anything too special at 500 rpm and 37 damage

But there again its damage range extends for a while out,so honestly it balances it out

Not only that but with its recoil your not really gonna be hitting too many shots at over 90m on full auto,so that range helps but it doesn't exactly make it or break it

[dawn hazel]

What tf are you on

It has wayyy les recoil than the other heavy hitting ARs

Have you even used any of the other guns that u mentioned?

They have way more recoil

[hollow river]

Clearly you dont own an air fryer

[ripe dust]

so far not a bad weapon, 500 kills and its a fun weapon

[last nebula]

I never seen such a well rounded weapon since the 3 BTK AK74

[cunning gyro]

yea i played around with it and it just feels good to use, didnt get any "that doesnt feel fair" moments like i did with the vector

seems like a weapon that just has its niche

[bitter elm]

it's good, doesn't feel unfair but has a niche why nerf everything fun and good

[dawn hazel]

yeah its fine as is

[old lagoon]

I personally feel good playing this gun, I think this gun really fit my play style, especially using it at medium range

[void valley]

Idk abt you alk but it just feels like or has more kick than heavy hitting ars for some reason

but yeah its a nice addition to the game

[muted hill]

I like the G3 as is, if anything this says more about the AK15 and the Scar needing a tweak than the current G3

[void valley]

Meh honestly the scar h and the ak15 already have pretty slow rates of fire and they don't have the best h recoil either

I'd say the fal is a bigger problem but even the fal isn't too insane

[muted hill]

Oh, I'm mostly referring to giving those two some sort of recoil reduction or movespeed buff since they aren't really on par

[muted hill]

But yeah, the fal should never be as fast as it is right now

It could do with a movespeed reduction

[void valley]

Movespeed and reload nerf is necessary

its a huge battle rifle that is heavy irl

shoots a pretty damn big round

the recoil is accurate to how it is irl but still needs a movement nerf

[muted hill]

100%

[muted hill]

Any of my friends that have been issued with them can attest they are annoyingly heavy when compared to any actual modern AR

[bitter elm]

nah buff the others

[void valley]

I've shot one before at a range

full auto

[muted hill]

Jeez

[void valley]

Machine gun america orlando

thats where you can shoot machine guns for like

500 bucks

my mom takes me there sometimes

[muted hill]

Yea the most you can shoot at ranges here is shotguns and pistols and semi auto carbines

[void valley]

Its at a special lil place

[muted hill]

One of my friends at the army got issued a fal without a trigger return spring so he had to push the trigger forwards after each shot

🥹

[void valley]

I feel bad for him

Worst punishment ever

dunno abt the g3 recoil

I've heard its better than the fals though

though I'm pretty sure anything is better recoil wise than the fal

[muted hill]

It seems fine
It's ok up close but it starts to suffer at range, better than the fal tho
The issue with the fal ingame is just the movespeed and reload with the small mag

[void valley]

I'd say make those downsides even worse

[bitter elm]

idk have to ask my dad XD
but from what he said it's pretty ok
i think the recoil is fitting

[void valley]

Real

[muted hill]

I think too many guns are balanced around how hard to control the recoil is upclose, and just how bad the recoil starts to get at range is a bit disregarded

[void valley]

I view recoil as a whole

either recoil go side to side or uppity up

[muted hill]

Since recoil in general is only made more severe with range, and it's dumb to try and balance stuff around how it feels to aim at someone 30 meters away

[void valley]

True

I've found that the g3 is good up to about 80m on full auto

[muted hill]

Because then it will be miles harder to hit 100m, and paradoxically some guns that should be mostly close range become better at mid range combat than the supposed mid range options

[void valley]

after that I might get a single hitmarker

yeah but I mean there will always be meta

the goal is to make the meta at least like 20 guns vs only 5

needing or buffing things forever won't fix problems

[halcyon belfry]

Great addition to the game. Good at long ranges, you do notice that increase in velocity vs ARs when trying to get people that are running.
Small mag size and slow reload makes it semi ineffective at close range and the lower than usual damage profile means it's not great against heavier armors.
Doesn't encroach on AK15/SCAR-H territory. Pretty balanced.

[cunning agate]

(slow) Reloading from empty makes the magazine look like it drops when it doesnt.

And speed reloading from empty, the mag drops way before the animation shows it

Also testing within the training range. The G3 is the only semi auto gun that functions when I tested an autoclick macro (razer synapse). This could be abused in game by cheaters.

[hollow river]

Did you test all the guns after the update

[cunning agate]

I just tested all dmrs and pistols
A few of them (on the macro) shot only twice (Unica shot 3 times) but all slower than rapid clicking.

The g3 was the only thing that shot full speed when macroing

[hollow river]

[cunning agate]

not sure why it seems like everyone is hesitant whenever i point out something

[hollow river]

Just weird since not even the mk14 does it

[quaint dew]

honestly it's just balanced on release, good job

[floral oak]

buff damage to 40 or more so with long barrel it can 3 shot normal armour like the scar

[bitter elm]

"but it already op"

[void valley]

Don't change anything abt it,its already good where it's at

[dawn hazel]

fuck no bro

why would you use the scar

or fal

or ak15

if the g3 did 40 damage

how are you guys this incompetent

[void valley]

^^^^^^

[dawn hazel]

the g3 already beats those guns on every aspect besides damage

[void valley]

The only thing keeping it balanced

[dawn hazel]

Exactly

[void valley]

well

the ak15 has a higher rof

[dawn hazel]

way more recoil

[void valley]

I meannnn

with the right attachments not reallyyy

but I guess a lil more

[dawn hazel]

point is that g3 is already very good because of it's recoil and dps

[onyx pine]

exacttly

[dawn hazel]

more damage would just make it broken af

[onyx pine]

everyone just chill, dmrs are probably just not for you if you think this is too weak

[dawn hazel]

yep

[void valley]

Honestly don't change anything about it

as is is good

[dawn hazel]

Yep

[floral oak]

its dps isnt good, and the m110 is better than the g3 at range because of the 2 or 3 shot kill with a long barrel

it just shouldnt be a dmr because it isnt one

it has a slower ads time

nearly a second longer reload

its only upside is damage dropoff and recoil

neither of which matter much if it kills in at least 1 more shot in the majority of gunfights

even if it did the same damage as the scar it would be worse at short to medium distance because of the reload and ads time disadvantage, it also cant be played on medic

40 damage would make it a gun worth using instead of a gun to forget

[onyx pine]

I don’t consider m110 a two shot

Because almost everyone except snipers has at minimum light armour = 3 shot

And if your just taking out snipers then ….

Don’t be one of those snipers who doesn’t help the team

[floral oak]

even so it kills normal and light armour in 1 less bullet

which is the vast majority of engagements

the only role i could see it serving well is as an ar in the sniper class, but the mk14 is better

[dawn hazel]

Comparing the g3 to a dmr doesn't make sense

Only reason it's in dmr class is cause we don't have a battle rifle class

Which will probably be added

G3 and m110 have different purposes comparing them doesn't make sense

[bitter elm]

how do you that? xD

[dawn hazel]

?

[bitter elm]

oh sry i meant the one below
"Which will probally be added"

[dawn hazel]

oh did you mean to write how you do know?

Cause we have 3 battle rifles now

And we know the devs like to keep category's specific

With the PDWs and what not

Most games would just put them in SMG category

Also the g3 performs nowhere like the other dmrs

It just doesn't fit

[muted hill]

All the categories could go with a bit of a change

• The MP7 Is currently classified as an SMG when it is a PDW
• The scorpion should be an smg as well
• The honey badger, as Val, groza, m4, g36c, f2000 should all be carbines
• there is a deep lack of a battle rifle category

A lot of the categories are currently pretty weird

[bitter elm]

we have 5 right? Ak15, scar, fal, g3 and mk14

[bitter elm]

ak5c is a carbine aswell

[dawn hazel]

mk14 is kinda weird cause its both dmr and br

idk about ak15

[muted hill]

Oh yeah

[dawn hazel]

Isnt groza a carbine

Nvm wikipedia says its AR

How tf are the weapon categorys so random

[bitter elm]

mk14 ebattle rifle 😉

[dawn hazel]

wiki pedia says its dmr too

[onyx pine]

FAL is so fun

I love it

[bitter elm]

yes gun categoriziation is whack, as val is an ar and the vss is a sniper

[muted hill]

It definitely acts ws one ingame

[floral oak]

its in the dmr class

[dawn hazel]

It plays nothing like a dmr

If u trying to use it as a dmr u are using it wrong

[bitter elm]

my 850m snipe says smth different

[dawn hazel]

even with an actual dmr you would be doing like 20 damage at that range lmaooo

[bitter elm]

nuh uh, damage aproaches like 27.smth smth at 900m or smth

[dawn hazel]

yeah

thats um

shit

use a sniper

the g3 is not a dmr and shouldnt be used as such

[bitter elm]

if i help my fellow recons it can be

counter sniping with it on zalfi's also pretty amusing

[hollow river]

Buff the reload animations so i can stop malding about them

[stiff shore]

G3 feedback thread is literally in ar category

[scarlet belfry]

The AK15 is not a battle rifle

The AK15 is a more modern version of the AKM, which is an assault rifle

[muted hill]

It functions pretty much as one ingame, which is kinda weird

[void valley]

All aks kind of act like a mix between a br and an ar

So for it to be in the ar category isn't weird

[hollow river]

It has br profile

Same as the aug

[hollow river]

Oh yeah g3 literally unusable

[viscid portal]

This gun is so anaemic for being a battle rifle. Its not even in the correct category. Should have same damage as FAL or close tbh

[stiff tendon]

nah, it doesn't need a damage buff. the G3 is distinct enough in that the recoil is basically nonexistent

[split bison]

It just needs animation and reload fixes and maybe a new class for guns

[bitter elm]

the iron sights and point fire are bugged aswell

[worldly tiger]

Change this rifle into to a Battle Rifle

[frigid lantern]

I was just commenting the same thing, but what's wrong with the iron sights?? The iron sights are really nice imo.

[bitter elm]

equip any optic and look at them...

[frigid lantern]

is it the kind of wiggle thing?

[bitter elm]

nah wait have to boot the game...

@frigid lantern

look how it clips

[frigid lantern]

oh yeah i see, the FLR sight is th only one that almost looks ok, if it were just a bit more pushed forward towards the barrel of the gun.

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[last nebula]

All guns have bad barrel attachment proportion

The suppressor is smaller than the barrel on most guns

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[bitter elm]

throw the reload animations in there aswell, whar a bug fest the g3 is Dx

[bitter elm]

oh g3 got fixed

nvm long reload's still goofed

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[bitter elm]

oh yeah and give the g3 its drum
funny lsw g3 hehe

[night igloo]

This is a cool gun but it kicks MK14's ass.

I think G3 could take a very, very small nerf. I'd reduce velocity from 900 to 800, that's it. Would help MK14 be the better ranged full-auto alternative.

[dawn hazel]

sounds good to me

[slate wedge]

i think M14 needs a buff more than G3 needs a nerf

[last nebula]

Yes

[void valley]

Yeah the mk14 needs a damage buff or something

[tender crypt]

Is it just me or is the quick reload slower compared to the normal reload since on the quick version the player uncocks the handle then replace the ammo compared to the normal one where he pulls the mag and replaces it

[void valley]

No,your right the quick reload is slower

I even timed it

[last nebula]

No way

They fucked up

[eager void]

I kinda feel the G3,Fal,Mk14, & Scar H should be moved into a new category called battle rifles

[muted hill]

definitely

[bitter elm]

I kinda feel @muted hill should be moved into a group of people called balancing team

[hollow river]

[muted hill]

idk where this is coming from lol
I have a veery basic grasp on game design and just a few hyperfocus moments

The times i show up to write 4 paragraphs are just a mix of ritalin, coffee and my brain being silly, it never lasts

[dawn hazel]

that attachment thingy was beautiful

[viscid talon]

this gun is baller, def not op by any stretch but it's uniquely capable, making it one of the two usable DMR's

[dawn hazel]

reload animation is still broken

barrel attachments are broken

[boreal arch]

If anyone gets moved into a "balancing team" type thing - they deserve to be paid at that point

Coming up with ideas - frankly - isn't hard. It's testing them out in practice where the difficulty lies imo

[worn verge]

Very interesting and likable. Good job at implementing an interesting gun

[rancid plover]

I mean, that's kinda already the case since the m14 is one of the few that I can actually full auto at range.

[muted hill]

Yea, it's not the hardest thing to come up with something based on a few things you saw other games do that seems to work pretty well with the specific problems at hand
Doing the work and coding it on the other hand can be a pretty massive task

[boreal arch]

Most of coding is coming up with an idea and then determining the easiest best way to implement it for the least amount of work

Both computer and people work lol

[muted hill]

Very true

[eager void]

keep in mind the term techincal debt

[boreal arch]

technical debt is the devs fault lmao

code better duh

[eager void]

not saying it ain't

saying it does arise from the easiest side of the solution generally

[worn verge]

just code better bro

[last nebula]

G3 is what the aug should've been

[bitter elm]

*the G3 is what the G3 should be and the AUG is what the AUG should be

[wise mist]

Beast of a gun. I'm countersniping at full auto with the red dot with the tiny recoild and I dont have to pull up my glock secondary to defend myself unlike the other DMR

[amber bough]

Use a stabil grip and basic muzzle, and you get a rifle with such a tiny first shot recoil, you can easily semi-auto tap someone to death pretty consistently too.

Or slap a long suppressor in place of the basic muzzle and you can silent assassinate a hostile sniper.

[wise mist]

Yeh it's awesome

[minor ravine]

I'd really love a drum mag on this gun

with it possibly gettin added to support

[sinful helm]

now that its moved to the battle rifle category its stats (in particular the dmg drop off) should the standardized to match the other battle rifles. currently it has DMR dmg drop off which doesnt make any sense ingame or compared to IRL.