F2000 - Feedback

[feral pine]

Put your feedback on the F2000.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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[halcyon cypress]

really not a big fan of weapons missing entire attachment categories, where are the mag options?

[broken ibex]

nearly just a worse famas 💀

[willow roost]

I like the gun, would like to see a bit more range on it perhaps half of what aug has
And yeah mag options, but I think its a trend so far for the new guns to have none with the idea to add them later after rebalancing existing ones

[vagrant basalt]

I think the same with the issue of range, with the range and damage that assault rifles have, they are mostly hitmarker weapons only, you do not manage to kill your enemy in most cases, also seeing and proving that the rifles Assault weapons are only hitmarker weapons at medium ranges (because if we go at close ranges any submachine gun will beat us) they add the F2000 with 23 damage, come on! I know that my message may not even be seen, but at least for my part as an opinion, make the half-assault rifles more useful, and increase the damage, since a submachine gun can really do more damage than an assault rifle? It would be understandable if the assault rifle were functional at medium distances, but since that is not the case...

[unique inlet]

kinda fun to think about ump deals 35 dmg and this shit only deals 23

[broken ibex]

ump is just stupidly "balanced"

[unique inlet]

literally pre buffed FAMAS reincarnated, no magazine options, reload on both mag dump and normal reload feels same-ish, what is the point of this rofl

it has better recoil but in all honesty it doesn't feel anything special

[short needle]

The whole balacing around this gun was

'pp19 but assault rifle'

We already had the acr

[unique inlet]

its special sight is its entire identity, but even that is horrible to use.

[broken ibex]

literally worse slip as a starting sight 💀

i mean cool that it's there but really?

[short needle]

2k is messing with me
I stop shooting thinking they are dead
but they alive and well
And I get mauled down

[broken ibex]

ye

[tulip lava]

Gun is literally worse famas in almost every important stat

[digital verge]

yeah, don't even need to play it to know its gonna be bad lol. Usable, but bad

[prisma pumice]

i like it a lot. somewhat underwhelming in CQC, but excels further out

[full trout]

Feels like it's trying to be an SMG with its high firerate that can engage at medium range with reasonable accuracy- but loses out in this category to both the Groza and the Famas

[broken ibex]

it's implemented in the worst way possible
but it looks and sounds sexy af
oki probaly made it kill as slow as a cod gun so we can enjoy the looks and sounds of this beauty

[willow roost]

Famas has way more recoil and u need to dump a mag to kill anything past 50m with it
F2000 can do the same in half a mag
Groza's reload is atrocious even on assault, I had to force myself to get 350 kills with it

[grim sequoia]

F2000 is a low budget smg... But i don't know who want to use it instead of other smg? RPM okey , recoil okey, but the dmg is pathetic... literally shit (sorry but this is true). LvL 35 Ar with 23 dmg vs LvL 1 Smg (MP7) .. 😄 I think this is a very very very bad gun atm. Maybe if they buff the dmg up to 28-30 it will be playable gun.

[mighty grotto]

I'd say make the damage range really good instead of making the damage better

[broken ibex]

and that does what?

[mighty grotto]

That way it'd make sense bc ars are supposed to have more range than smgs

[broken ibex]

make your peashooter piss into someones face at 200m?

[mighty grotto]

better damage at range

I mean its a 5sk at 850 rpm

that's pretty decent

[broken ibex]

i mean yeah a little could help

[broken ibex]

that is the funniest yet saddest thing i've heard regarding this game

[mighty grotto]

make it like 90 -100 meters for max range

easy fix

that way the famas doesn't have complete advantage

[elfin nacelle]

buff mag capacity to 40 or 45

[broken ibex]

pls bring the speed up to 1.05-1.10
it already feels like a "long range smg"
make it that pls

[halcyon cypress]

id be fine with a 50 mag option

[broken ibex]

give more default ammo XD

[elfin nacelle]

the problem with the extended mags is that they make you slow as fuck. Also a big default mag would help differentiate it from the other ARs

[halcyon cypress]

true true, not all attachments are created equal tho, the aug fast mag has no downsides, and the pp19 fast reduces your horizontal recoil by a whopping 0.30

[mighty grotto]

thats bc the pp19 needs something to stand out which is its recoil bc it doesnt have the best damage or rof

[summer acorn]

Needs slightly more damage or another buff

Outshined by most guns

[broken ibex]

movement speed and damage buff
if they don't want a damage buff then a mag size buff?

[prisma pumice]

i think the damage is fine, it just really needs more bullets per mag. you run out of ammo with it super fast

i think even 40 by default wouldn't make it unbalanced or anything

[willow roost]

add range like aug or half of that so that spraying at distances is more viable

[final flame]

F2000 should have extended maganize and quick magazine because the high fire rate, waste so fast the magazine because the high fire rate and takes ages to reload, not worth to use because of that.

[scarlet zealot]

This mf is a level 35 weapon, at MOST it needs a damage range increase and a extend mag/10 more bullets.

Otherwise it's ok, no real standout issues or other problems.

[broken ibex]

movement speed boost, already feels like an smg ar hybrid of sorts, let's go all in on that

[spiral oar]

I haven’t played with it yet so take this with a grain of salt, but everything I’ve seen so far makes it look like the biggest strength the gun has is the high stability. So lean further into that. Reduce the recoil more, make it basically a laser beam. Incredibly easy to control even at longer ranges, at the cost of damage (which is already low).

[scarlet zealot]

Trust me, it's already a beam

Only thing hampering it in that range is the accuracy stat

[broken ibex]

accuracy doesn't matter when ads tho

[tulip lava]

And it’s pretty bad ttk…

[scarlet zealot]

It's a level 35 weapon

[broken ibex]

and the h-recoil is worse than m4

[final flame]

for recoil and damage is already good, just the ammo capacity is a issue in this weapon

[broken ibex]

so ye "laser" my ass

[scarlet zealot]

Your next upgrade is the famas

[broken ibex]

the damage is a freaking joke

[willow roost]

it seems virtually nobody in this sub has played with the gun and just asks for buffs based on stats they saw 😂

ttk enjoyers

[tulip lava]

As this is level 35 make it easy to control and a laser beam for ease of use but keep the ass ttk it has so it’s a low skill weapon

When the noobs finally get good they can drop this weapon for a higher skill higher reward gun

[spiral oar]

Yeah it’s definitely an issue. People seem to look at the fire rate and damage and stop thinking immediately afterward.

[broken ibex]

i already have like 170-ish kills with it, it's bad

[willow roost]

I have 450 or 500 its good

bet just the range and mag options will be enough

[broken ibex]

movement buff, mags and dmg then we're talking rn it just hurts to use, which is a shame cuz of how cool it is

[candid wren]

I love the F2K, it is incredibly fun to use. However, it definitely needs at least a slight damage buff, even by 1.

[scarlet zealot]

Doesn't heavy/long barrel bump your damage up to 25?

If so this gun is more than fine lol

[spiral oar]

No, long and heavy barrel both give a 10% velocity increase and a 5% damage increase. So long and heavy barrel only take the damage up to 24.15

[scarlet zealot]

Damn

[forest knoll]

need more damageу, 24, for long and heavy barrels 25 damage, because gun cant fight vs normal guns

[elder meadow]

Either a damage increase or fire rate increase tbh

[bright mural]

I felt it melt, may be placebo, or just the amazing control (using f2k sight) + recoil, harder to miss shots

[mighty grotto]

I'd say give it a better damage range and then thats it,then its solid

[rancid pawn]

new changes look good

it should be better now

[devout hamlet]

i dont know wjhy theres YT'ers saying this gun is an animal, 2500 kills and there was never a time that I was "wowed"

[signal monolith]

incredible rifle after the buff, kills surprisingly fast for 23 base damage

[unique inlet]

the buff literally did nothing in terms of damage or DPS except buff ADS speed and made recoil even smoother

it's a ok rifle, literally just the EVO but rifle lol

[rancid pawn]

what the fuck

its the exact opposite of the evo

evo has a gajillion recoil and the f2000 has like 0.02

[unique inlet]

☠️ but ttk roughly the same-ish no?

[rancid pawn]

Are you baiting

Scorpion evo has one of the fastest ttks in game

F2000 has one of the slowest

[unique inlet]

oh wait nvm i thought damage was the same

F2K still mid then

touched it for like 70+ kills, went back to 419

[rancid pawn]

nah

[signal monolith]

What problems are there with the F2000? I haven't seen any so far when I use it

[rancid pawn]

people are complaining about the damage but its fine imo since its so controllable with the laser like recoil

[signal monolith]

It feels like it kills fast and has a lot of range with no recoil

[rancid pawn]

i agree

some people will always complain about it tho

[signal monolith]

The 419 does seem better when I look at it, I just haven't gotten around to trying it

[rancid pawn]

yeah the 419 is looking to be meta rn but i dont even have it unlocked yet so

[signal monolith]

Is the sight they give on the default F2000 any better than the regular ironsights?

[rancid pawn]

yes for sure

since recoil is so low medium scopes are actually viable

[signal monolith]

Nice

[rancid pawn]

its a really weird magnification

i think its like 1.5x or something

[signal monolith]

That sounds perfect for the F2000

[austere birch]

F2000 seems like a decent weapon, I can deal with low damage if I can shoot laser at a fast rate at medium range, and some of the barrels make this very tolerable. That mag buff is really needed as I ran out of rounds way too quickly and the sight being adjusted seems good.

I don't know if the buff to recoil was needed but it's welcome.

[glossy mountain]

Feels like an aug version of the Famas

[final flame]

Well, some damage buff is needed if you compare this gun with smg ones, smgs, like vektor has 21 dmg but has 1200 fire rate, pp2000 has 24 damage and 1000 fire rate, mp5 28 dmg and 800 fire rate, mp7 25 dmg and 850 fire rate, honey badger 28 dmg and 880 fire rate. F2000 has 21 dmg and 850 fire rate.

And magazine is still a issue, because all smg you can change magazine, extended, quick and F2000 seens like a kriss vektor's assault rifle version and Kriss Vektor can use Drum.

Having these magazines and increasing the recoil should be nice, but, mainly issue is that, magazine.

[rancid pawn]

If the damage was buffed then the FAMAS would be completely useless in comparison to this gun, so no thanks

Is It really that hard for you guys to grasp that fire rate and damage aren't the only stats on a gun that matter

Cause all the guns you listed, sure they have better damage but the whole niche of the f2000 is that it had laser recoil

[tulip lava]

Fr

[mighty grotto]

In my genuine opinion,after the f2000 got buffed i think its now balanced with other ars bc it has a high rof and extremely low recoil like the aug but lacks in damage

I'd say don't change it to be better or worse,its honestly in a good spot now

[slow ember]

the f2000 rn is literally "you have to be this much of a laser for people to accept a slightly slower ttk"

makes it stand out from the pack - its like the AUG/SG taken to an extreme.

[teal ridge]

It took me more than half and a quarter mag to kill someone with this usually, but the recoil and accuracy makes up for it

Generally, a fun gun to run

[elder meadow]

Aim around the neck/upper chest and let the recoil ride up into their head-- usually nets kills within a fifth or so of the mag

[mighty grotto]

Except the aug and SG do more damage

[bright mural]

I agree with the others, the laser recoil and above RoFdamage makes up for the damage. The default f2k sights provide better "control" stats (idk what it does lmao but it "feels" better).
Edit: RoF instead of damage.

[mighty grotto]

Wym the damage on this thing is below average

wayyyy below average

you mean rof

[bright mural]

Yes, I just fixed it, ty.

[mighty grotto]

Its fine lol

[orchid matrix]

How's the F2000?

[slow ember]

low damage, near-zero recoil laserbeam

its a nice niche

[tulip lava]

Imo it’s a worse sg550

Both meant for range and I’ve got 1300 kills with sg550 it’s very good at ranges with low recoil good damge range and velocity

[slow ember]

they're very similar guns, one is more forgiving with a faster firerate and larger mag, the other has a slower ROF and double the horizontal recoil in exchange for more damage

and faster reloads by a lot (URK+quick is crazy)

it's fine to have two guns in a similar niche, if it wasnt we'd have to delete almost all the ARs lol

[trail matrix]

If dmg were to be buffed this weapon would become OP. It 850 rpm, hard to balance that shit i guess

[slow ember]

its funny every time someone uses unlock level as a justification for why a gun should be op

[livid schooner]

feel like the f2000 could use a dmg buff but then it would literally be a p90 situation

guns a laser but the time it takes to kill one person with full armour is crazy

[tulip lava]

Yea

[trail matrix]

The ease of use and functionality easily make up for sub par dps, still better than aug tho

You have laser with wich it's hard to miss, and missing isn't very punished due to ver high rof

Every stat exept dmg is excelent

[tulip lava]

Basically low level low skill easy to use gun

It’s perfect how it is

[trail matrix]

Exactly, it has its role, it does it well

Not every gun needs to be meta shredder

[tulip lava]

People just crying bcuz of ttk

[trail matrix]

Which is still slightly worse than M4/ak74 and better than aug after buff

[tulip lava]

Mhm

[mighty grotto]

Honestly its alright where is is Now considering its unlocked early in the game

[sour turtle]

ttk might be bad but damn the gun is consistent and reliable. Compared to AK74, its worse in cqc but much better as range goes farther. Also you need considerable amount of kills to make it much better when f2000 is very good straight out of the box.

[tulip lava]

why compairing it to ak?

[sour turtle]

just because they are both low level guns and basically 2 AR that i've used so far (didnt touch ars before prestige and havnt unlocked others yet)

[trail matrix]

The difference between AK74 and F2000 is 20ms max, not that much

[sour turtle]

ak's 3sk potential with long/heavy makes it have bigger difference in cqc imo\

[tulip lava]

go to map voting feedback . what do you think on my idea there

[trail matrix]

AK74 doesn't have that anymore

But those were glorious times

[sour turtle]

but it can with one headshot tho

or am i tripping?

[tulip lava]

tripping

idk man never used that gun'

[mighty grotto]

The ak74 can 4shot kill against armor and no armor pretty damn well while the f2000 does little to heavier armored targets

I like both guns but that is the difference

[slow ember]

yeah shooting exo with f2k is pain

(i don't think that should change, it's good to have a weakness)

[trail matrix]

F2k on Isle is love. Perfect for those 50m gunfights with guys hidden 3/4 of thier body behind a ledge or a rock

You just beam thier heads like it's no tommorow

[mighty grotto]

The aug can do the same thing since it has no recoil

basically just an aug but with better fire rate and less damage

[fluid gale]

Give it +2 damage and it's fine

And to offset that reduce it by 50rpm

[willow roost]

Leave it alone
The weapon is awesome as is rn

[rancid pawn]

agreed

its fine

[trail matrix]

That would be pre drop off nerf MP5 but better

[fluid gale]

It's kinda underpowered but ok

[mighty grotto]

With the buff they gave it,its not underwhelming anymore

[fluid gale]

23 damage.

[bright mural]

23 damage pew pew laser

[fluid gale]

It's weak

[trail matrix]

Someone can't really do math it seems

[fluid gale]

5.5 shots to kill

[trail matrix]

Now do ttk math

[mighty grotto]

Bro it just let it be the way it is

holy shit

[trail matrix]

5 shots

[slow ember]

then dont use it

its okay for guns to have niches i dont like sniper rifles so i dont use them

"insane laser beam with 0 recoil but low dps" is valid

[fluid gale]

It's rounded up so 6.

[sour turtle]

I just shoot at their legs

[slow ember]

i can't catch them they're behind seven barricades 😔

[sour turtle]

You dont fuck with those guys

[willow roost]

M4 0,257 0,257 0,343 0,343 0,429
F2k 0,282 0,282 0,353 0,424 0,494
Slower than M4 by 25ms on unarmored and light, 5 ms on medium
Its only heavy and exo that the ttk tanks noticeably in comparison, but realistically speaking players that know what they are doing are getting rid of those in favor of medium / light armor
So the % of fights that you are actually unfavoured is quite low
Instead you get consistent dps that allows you to beam regardless of enemy cover
The gun is fine
And if we get a decent 2x scope (fuck slip) its gonna be amazing

[tulip lava]

Ummmm but it’s not

[trail matrix]

And better reload, ads and ammo capacity than M4, arguably better accuracy/recoil

The gun is a straight up upgrade, unless you intend to run it on salhan

[fluid gale]

Cope

[sour turtle]

I went for the next option for sight which was strikefire with 1.5x

[willow roost]

I also tried it but just doesnt click for me and f2k
The red crosshair is a bit too dim
Red dot works better for me

[prisma pumice]

projecting

"wah wah wah i can't use it so that means it's underpowered!!!"

loser

[sour turtle]

have you tried PK-AS? according to website i found, its 1.5x as well\

[willow roost]

Havent played much with it
On guns that I want some zoom its not available (aug, g3, f2k)

[tulip lava]

💀

Ain’t no way you told me to cope

When you’re the one begging for a buff

[mighty grotto]

The m4 with its higher damage means its better as an all around gun,honestly the m4 and the f2k along with a lot of other ars are good and balanced with each other if you know how to use them

you all just have a skill issue if you can use them correctly

[vagrant basalt]

Buff the distance of assault rifles

[fluid gale]

Someone didn't read the rule at the top of the discussion 🏳️‍🌈

[tulip lava]

Why the 🏳️‍🌈

[mighty grotto]

Yawnnnj

who's gonna do somethin abt it

[spiral oar]

Probably one of the mods if you don’t get over it and stop.

[mighty grotto]

Its just a small joke

[next zinc]

i like this weapon and actually find a lot of value in the niche it serves in extended, distant engagements

wouldn’t change much except maybe give it the usual alternate mags

[severe iris]

the damage needs to be buffed

[prisma pumice]

nah

[slow ember]

if you bump it up a bracket it's just "FAMAS but better"

thats not balance

[rancid pawn]

exactly

[fluid gale]

but now it's just famas but worse

[rancid pawn]

not at all

[fluid gale]

yes at all

[rancid pawn]

so how would you balance it then

cause if you uppeds it damage their would be 0 reason to use famas

its whole thing is that it is really accurate

low damage balances that

[fluid gale]

Honestly the balance is so fucked right now it really wouldn't matter

[twin elm]

Stats definitely don't paint the picture. Even with the lower ttk than the Famas, it has a much better effective range due to the recoil

Definitely operates the niche of "laser"

[fluid gale]

BF4 did it right. This game, not so much.

[rancid pawn]

dont forget game is still early acsess

we get balance patches basically every update now

so

[fluid gale]

Yeah, yeah. Early access ☝️🤓

[rancid pawn]

what?

bf4 released 2013

[fluid gale]

Can't use that as an excuse for everything, though

[rancid pawn]

and had a masssive dev team

no shit the balance is better

the game isnt finished yet

[fluid gale]

When the game released on steam I guarantee you people didn't know that

[rancid pawn]

what>

?

[fluid gale]

?

When there were 80k players in the first week on steam launch

[rancid pawn]

what about it

[fluid gale]

🙄

[rancid pawn]

it says early acsess on the steam page

how would people not know that

[fluid gale]

Explain why it dropped so quick then

[rancid pawn]

because the initial hype died

and other big titles released shortly after

[fluid gale]

How can there be hype if it's early access

[rancid pawn]

?

because people wanted to play the game?

it was in playtests before

[fluid gale]

Then they should have left it in early access without the option to purchase at the time. Game needed to sit on the shitter for at least another 2 more years if this is what you call balance.

[rancid pawn]

Dude

it never left early acsess'

The game is still early acsess

[trail matrix]

then do that better lol

[rancid pawn]

Ong

i asked him how he would balance f2000 after calling it shit and he goes: "uhhh erhm,mmm uhhhh"

[slow ember]

dont forget the epic emojis

[north parcel]

I honestly feel like with an accuracy stat buff and better max damage range this gun would be great. It already lets you hit headshots real well

[slow ember]

he posted a nerd face at your post therefore you are wrong

[fluid gale]

Add 2 damage. Are you a denthead?

[fluid gale]

I honestly could. I purposed 22 damage on vector as a nerf and guess what went through? 22 damage on the vector. Hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔

[slow ember]

lets see your sandbox. get the stats rolling in a spreadsheet and fix everything

i actually wanna see that

[fluid gale]

better than dck riding the devs.

[north parcel]

Adding 2 damage to the FN2000 would mean having to rework the famas

That is... such a bad idea

[trail matrix]

Ok then, when we can expect a pdf or spreadsheet?

[slow ember]

also completely destroys the SG550

the other gun in its niche

thats why i wanna see his sandbox, the whole view. he must have brilliant balance plans for the other guns

[fluid gale]

But its in early access so who cares

[north parcel]

I assume the devs do. Having to rework a gun that has a now-established niche, that they already reworked, to make room for a gun that also has its own niche, would just be a waste of time

The FN is good if you can aim well

If you can't then go use the p90

[rancid pawn]

lack of damage is made up by it being super easy to land headshots cause the low recoil

[north parcel]

Plus, it encourages headshots, which is great for the game in general

[fluid gale]

In the game you don't want to land headsets on, unless they don't have a helmet

[rancid pawn]

its pretty easy to not hit the helmet

unless its exo

[fluid gale]

sorry I'm conditioned to aim for the head

Aiming for the head shouldn't punish you - more bad game design

[tulip lava]

@fluid gale have you even used this gun

Like wtf

[fluid gale]

Yeah its bad

[severe iris]

sorry i should have been more specific the damage needs to be buffed specifically against armor its a little to weak when it comes to heavy armor

[tulip lava]

I think your just using it wrong

I recommend only use it on mid range areas and use it like a proper laser

But don’t go close range

[fluid gale]

It's a close range weapon

[trail matrix]

no

it's definetly not

[tulip lava]

Ahhh now I see why your complaining 👏👏👏👏

(It’s literally one of the best medium long range ar out there after maybe aug or sg550)

[fluid gale]

ok

Well you have fun using C tier weapons and getting farmed by people using better guns

[rancid pawn]

Why the fuck would you think that

No fucking wonder you playing like shit with it

[fluid gale]

High rpm normally means a close range weapon

[rancid pawn]

Okay

This isn't

So

[fluid gale]

It's a long ranger high rpm pea shooter ☝️☝️🤓

[rancid pawn]

groza:

Fal:

[fluid gale]

You have no clue - feedback like yours is why the game should stay in early access forever.

[rancid pawn]

Ak15

[rancid pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/817506993107107840/1064621166318338068/shutthefuckup.gif

[prisma pumice]

if you project any harder you're going to turn into a powerpoint presentation

[fluid gale]

Brand new account 🥱🥱
What feedback do you have for the f2k that isn't a complete drooling baby take?

[tulip lava]

Fuckin none cuz its good as it is

can i ask what level are you

[tulip lava]

lmao

[fluid gale]

200 and I'm not prestiging

[tulip lava]

200

and u think this is close range weapon...

also note its level 35 so its probably supposed to be a little bit weaker thasn the others

but as level 190 something myself i think it has its area to play in and it is good in that area

but with all guns unlocked i think its a bit weaker than other guns

you just dont have to love evry gun

[fluid gale]

Ok go take your 900rpm gun at far ranges

[tulip lava]

i will?

whats your point?

[tulip lava]

?

[short needle]

It's a mid ass gun for mid ass people,just move on

You add dmg and now famass is in a weird spot

Maybe hs dmg idk

[worn ginkgo]

seems less a problem with the gun and more just something your playstyle doesnt align with, so much of the feedback on this discord devolves into just that tbh

let the people who want their laser to have their laser, i dont like playing it cause of the low damage but bfd theres like a fuckton other guns in the game

no reason to mald over it

[fluid gale]

Yeah but it's early access so who cares

[short needle]

We are gonna be in ea for 1-2 years xd

Prob more

[slow ember]

hows that spreadsheet going Lukja

[fluid gale]

Keep using alts, I keep blocking.

[slow ember]

?

which account is pretending to be me

i dont have an alt lol

[trail matrix]

Yeah, we want our spreadsheet

[tulip lava]

Spreadsheet update is cumming

[slow ember]

lol he blocked me

guess we're never getting that spreadsheet

[fluid gale]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

[tulip lava]

He couldn’t handle the truth

[trail matrix]

Looks like he's only talk

[sour turtle]

Low ttk but accurate gun is cqc??? How did you come up with that conclusion? No wonder you are getting farmed by others. Imagine not using gun to its strengths.

[fluid gale]

I'm not getting farmed by others

[sour turtle]

So where did that take come from? Gun is fine af in mid ranges. It doesnt lose much when used like it meant to

[fluid gale]

Fine in mid ranges ☝️🤓
My brother it loses to anything in mid range

[trail matrix]

That's on you then

I have more succes on mid range with it than with postbuff aug

[sour turtle]

Thats more like a you problem than gun's problem

Anything within 100m is guarantee hits if you can aim and gun can work up to 150m consistently

Meaning its ttk is very consistent

While other guns miss a bullet, their ttk increases by a lot as they tend to have lower rpm but higher dmg

F2k's high rpm is very forgiving when you miss once or twice

[tulip lava]

Name the guns it loses to at midrange

[fluid gale]

Exactly

[tulip lava]

Just decided not to name any of the mid range guns?

[sour turtle]

Only gun that can beat f2k consistently at range i could think of are dmrs specially m110. However, if its within 100m, f2k might actually beat it consistently. Then again, it will end up being whoever spots other first will take the win at that range.

For AR's, cant think of any but aug and sg550 are close to it.

[tulip lava]

Yup. This is good dmrs should beat it but within 80 it should destroy them which it seems to do for me

[sour turtle]

And f2k gets shit on by other guns at cqc provided both player skill level is same so gun is in great spot imho

[rancid pawn]

aug beats f2k mid range

[tulip lava]

Ye

[slow ember]

SG550 also does, but both are much less forgiving

[mighty grotto]

Honestly I'd say all 3 are pretty on par with eachother

[slow ember]

Yeah they're a nice spectrum

[oblique lagoon]

Exactly. The weapon's direct competition is aug and sg, that's what it needs to be balanced against. Not smgs. Not sure why we are all still wasting time arguing with a clown though.

The only reasonable complaint is that it either needs like 5 more bullets per mag or an extra mag carried by default, its total ammo capacity and damage per mag are very mediocre.

[candid wren]

No one is saying the F2K needs an insane damage buff. A tiny one, just to give it a little more love. As it stands now, it's a laser, but damage is kinda mid.

[fluid gale]

Only clown here is you, buddy.

[sour turtle]

I still cant understand why f2k and famas are being compared as only thing similar about them is fire rate but their optimal ranges arent even the same.

I would honestly compare famas with badger or val and f2k with aug & sg.

[sour turtle]

Ngl if they want to buff f2k, just give it 1 or 2 mags. Recoil doesnt need buff, firerate doesnt, dmg is very scary to buff because going from 5 to 4 hits to kill with low recoil and quite high rpm might make it busted.

[tulip lava]

I think you’ve read the situation wrong. You are the clown, clown.

[slow ember]

because one of the buff ideas people keep posting is just "give this longer-range, much easier to control gun the same damage as the FAMAS" which is stupid on the face of it

[vagrant basalt]

Are you seriously comparing the F2000 with the FAL XDDDD

[vagrant basalt]

They literally made the F2000 in this game a submachine gun, as if the submachine gun category did not exist in this game

[vagrant basalt]

The problem is really that the game was supposed to be a mix of mechanics between Battlefield and Squad, but looking at the crazy weapon they added you can see where they are going.

[fluid gale]

it's an ar

[rancid pawn]

No

He was saying that a weapon having high rpm meant it was close range

I was listing lower rpm weapons that are good in cqc

[worn ginkgo]

at this point ive been operating under the assumption that theyve put the squad/milsim aspirations on hold for the actual milsim mode tbh

not sure it's the smartest idea, but it is what it is

[vagrant basalt]

We are in the same situation, since from the beginning it was sold as a tactical shooter, and that it is more of a run and shoot shooter, for that I better install plutonium and play Black Ops II XD

[worn ginkgo]

for sure, i do wonder how fun it couldve been if the game was a bit more tactical but it probably wouldnt have caught on as hard

[vagrant basalt]

Well, for every game there is a community, and more so for those who like tactical shooters, yes the premise of being a mix of Battlefield and Squad sounds really interesting, but unfortunately it was not what was promised.... now there I have the The game is sitting around in my Steam library, joining from time to time to see how things are going, hopefully they start playing a little more with strategy and not just running and shooting, dying, reviving and so on in a loop until the end of the game. departure, I really find that those 15 dollars spent were not worth it at least for me

[sinful moth]

this gun needs a dmg buff and thats all

and why is the feedback filled whit random shit

[torpid siren]

damage buff (1 or 2 max pref 1 so that the kill per shoot is only 4 with heavy/long barrel) could be good idea but should come with a fire rate nerf so that it doesn't shred at short range that much an other good buff could be damage fall off start at a longer range so that it doesn't shoot sand at 50 m

but maybe i'm biased because it's my favorite gun tho

[tulip lava]

It already has good range

Maybe it could be extended

But no damage buff that would make it too multipurpose

[vagrant basalt]

literally the weapon is a hitmarkers only weapon, like most assault rifles xd

[sinful moth]

even smgs are more lethal then f2000

[tulip lava]

Not at range tho

Which is the point

[willow roost]

2.5k kills with it
Extended range is maximum this gun needs now
No dmg buff, no fire rate buff, chill out ttk enthusiasts

[trail matrix]

2.5k alredy?

I find it hard to belive

And the range is like 120 meters, or so?

[willow roost]

a bit more

[willow roost]

its same as m4, starts at 50 ends at 300

[trail matrix]

Jesus man

[willow roost]

in comparison aug, sg550, fal, ak15 and scarh have dmg drop off that starts at smth like 140m and ends same at 300

[trail matrix]

That's stats wise, when btk starts to go down

[rancid pawn]

gyat damn

[willow roost]

At 134 meters dmg is down to 19 which is 1 extra bullet on all armors
Id really like the range to be extended

[short needle]

836m kill sheeesh

[willow roost]

Honestly surprised with kills I get with it by randomly spraying in general direction of the enemies 😂

[elder meadow]

So what's the optimal range to use the F2000 at, then?

[trail matrix]

70-120m

[slow ember]

Gigachad

[rancid pawn]

do you get that many kills with every gun or do you just really like the f2000

[fluid gale]

Buff f2k

[willow roost]

F2k just clicked with me

[north parcel]

I'll tell you what I want on the the F2: higher accuracy and velocity

[rocky trench]

its has quite alot of horizantal recoil if that can be reduced in some way ill be happy otherwise good gun

[slow ember]

doesnt it only have like .6

[ebon jackal]

well. I convinced myself this gun was decent because I compared it to the SG550. Then I realised the AUG just does this gun's thing better.

[mighty grotto]

Aug and this gun are pretty balanced

[ebon jackal]

If the AUG is balanced then this gun cannot be
For it is simply worse

[full trout]

It has cool scope therefore it's balanced

End of thread

[broken ibex]

it has a lot of swag, therefore it's meta
just like pre buff hb

[mighty grotto]

I got the same amount of kills with this as the aug

literally within 3 kills

pretty damn balanced to me

[tulip lava]

I don’t see how it’s unbalanced

Enlighten me

[ebon jackal]

good heavens, some high quality research has disproven me! I am sorry for ever insinuating the Aug outclasses the f2000

[ebon jackal]

A bit weak

A long barrel AUG has about the same recoil, but kills faster, has a bigger mag, faster reloads, better velocity, better damage falloff. The only way the F2k beats it is 0.02 seconds quicker aimdown

So I think it could do with a small buff

[broken ibex]

better mag? what xD, better recoil? uhm no xD

[north parcel]

Please Oki grant me a range buff

[ebon jackal]

AUG gets about 7.55 KPM compared to 6.37 for F2000

[broken ibex]

what does that say about the mag size and recoil

[spiral oar]

I stopped paying attention to these numbers a long time ago

[broken ibex]

i never did

[ebon jackal]

That’s what I mean when I say mag size, using number of bullets is a useless metric

The AUG seems to have lower recoil by my current metric, so for lack of any kind of rigorous testing I am just going by that :p
It’s mostly on account of its lower fire rate

[broken ibex]

kpm=/=magsize
1.44/0.69 vs 0.85/56
yes firerate and stuff but it really isn't difficult to control...

[ebon jackal]

Neither are

[broken ibex]

again 1.44/0.69 vs 0.85/0.56
sure thing buddy...

[ebon jackal]

with that setup I do get the f2k to have lower recoil

[broken ibex]

what setup? tac barrel + burk grip that's a no brainer
even with the best build on the aug you still get 1.07/0.71

[ebon jackal]

now that puts the AUG as lower

[tulip lava]

Even if aug has lower recoil , you have to hit more shots or it’s bad . With the f2000you can miss 2 shots and not be punished

So aug is higher skill

F2000 is a lower skill option no?

[ebon jackal]

That seems false

[tulip lava]

This seem like I don’t understand

[ebon jackal]

2 shots on the F2000 isn't the same as 2 shots on the AUG

if you miss 2 shots with F2000, you on average would miss less shots with the AUG in the same time frame

[tulip lava]

Wht

[ebon jackal]

because AUG has a slower fire rate

fire less shots = miss less shots

[tulip lava]

This is my point

If you do miss them you have less RPM to recover

[ebon jackal]

That is not a bad thing

[tulip lava]

I know

It’s good

It’s why they both have their place

[ebon jackal]

you also have less RPM to miss a second shot before you're back on target
it works out identically

if you are making the claim that a higher RPM suffers slightly less from a lower hit rate though, that is correct

(due to decreased importance of lack of time delay associated with the first shot)

[tulip lava]

Yup

So if you struggle to hit shots with the aug and track targets it punishes you more so then try out this pewpewpewpew gun f2000

[ebon jackal]

the statement does not support that conclusion

[tulip lava]

But it kindof does

[ebon jackal]

depending on exactly what you mean I think your conclusion may be correct
just your justification of it doesn't make sense

[broken ibex]

uhm? 1+ and 0.7+ against sub .9 and sub .6
yes that is indeed lower

[ebon jackal]

Are you really still just going to ignore fire rate

Recoil is applied per shot

Anyway, just for an explanation of my personal recoil metric to be transparent

It takes the magnitude of the vertical and horizontal recoil. Horizontal recoil is treated as being proportional to the square root of the fire rate (so high fire rate makes it more controllable), I decided as a baseline for this at 600rpm that horizontal recoil will be 50% more important than vertical.
Then that is multiplied by the fire rate, and the whole thing is multiplied by the first shot kick to the 0.2.

[broken ibex]

higher rof makes it more controllable? it doesn't it only makes you more likely to hit, which literally puts the f2000 at an advantage then
the recoil is also very much negligible on the f2k, aug aswell but the h-recoil will throw you of more often and punish that more with the lower rof

[ebon jackal]

For horizontal recoil it does. This is because each shot has a half chance of opposing the last.

A stream of shots, if we abstract it down to just focusing on horizontal recoil, could be modelled as a random walk. In a random walk, after x number of shots, the average total horizontal distance travelled is proportional to the square root of x. So with this in mind I believe it’s appropriate to scale it to the square root of the fire rate here. This does give the F2000 an advantage over the AUG in that sense, but AUG still just about beats it because although higher fire rate reduces the relative importance of H-recoil, it still increases its magnitude

This is the main reason I can identify for a gun like the Kriss vector not feeling like it has that much H-recoil

because it otherwise should

[broken ibex]

i see what you mean but imo the tactical tuna is still very servicealbe
and remember it's a low level gun with even less recoil than the m4, it does have a place, maybe just not a very powerful nor meta one

fuck pls correct me on the adjective of service ._.

[ebon jackal]

erm…. youre supposed to spell it serviceable…

[broken ibex]

ah i knew it, it's wrong frick
but that looks/feels weird xD

[ebon jackal]

I just wanted this gun to be a neat contender for low recoil ARs and the discovery that it just hindered me in comparison to another was just disappointing
A low recoil AR should at least have a decent damage drop off profile to accompany it

[broken ibex]

i mean it has a bunch but by the time you went of target you already have 5 bullets flying in the general area of said target

[ebon jackal]

I know it’s not a low recoil weapon. But my original formula that didn’t do the fire rate compensation told me it was very almost as bad as the FAL

[broken ibex]

def. better dropoff should be a must have on this one
if we finally get armor pen this gun should get a flurmpin' lot of it, that way you still feel it's an ar but a low flesh damage one

if you get what i mean

[ebon jackal]

fair

[broken ibex]

so like 5sk but on most armor, not the 6sk,6sk,7sk,8sk we got rn 💀

[long coral]

Very bulky when using it lol

Maybe adjust the weapon height to make it less bulkier lol

[candid wren]

Day 5 of asking for the F2K to have a slight damage buff.

[trail matrix]

Yeah, let's make it 4btk no recoil laser

What could go wrong

[willow roost]

What exactly do you propose and whats your reasoning behind it?

[broken ibex]

better m4 for them low skill days

[candid wren]

As it stands now, the F2K sucks. The only thing it has going for it is laserbeam accuracy. I'd even be fine with a slight recoil penalty as long as there was a very slight damage buff. I'm not saying it needs 20 damage added to it, even 5 more damage points would help.

[willow roost]

Id advise you get familiar with such a concept as ttk and what 5 more dmg would do to the gun and its standing of which you clearly have no idea as your only criticism of the guns perfomance is that it sucks

Ppl like these leave feedback lmao

[tulip lava]

These people should not leave feedback

[ebon jackal]

Laser beam accuracy. Big mag. Quick aimdown. Quick movement. Quick reloads.

Even with the current state of SMGs. 5 more damage would be absolutely busted

[karmic canyon]

"i want this gun to be like every other gun. weapons are not allowed to fulfill a specific niche"

[tulip lava]

Fr

[coral wagon]

if to add damage to it, I'd say only from 23 to 24 (so you can 4-tap people with heavy/long barrel), no more than that.
gun has laser beam accuracy and both high fire rate and velocity, adding 5 damach will just make it busted af (and it's kinda fine as it is, imo)

[tacit flicker]

that woudl just be a famas again

[mighty grotto]

^^^^^^

[tacit flicker]

asking for a breakpoint damage and slight recoil penalty is just the famas.

[trail matrix]

But a famas with more ammo in mag, by like, 10

How to make a weapon obsolete in one easy step:

[coral wagon]

lmao, forgot about that one

[rancid pawn]

gun feels realllly good at range

even with no attachemnts

[mighty grotto]

Solid gun,not the best in the game but it definitely does the good when you know how to use

[willow roost]

Plus sounds amazing

[tacit flicker]

It's an smg for the AR category

[sour turtle]

Thats why i regard it better than aug and sg as its good straight out of the box. Aug and sg imo needs attachment or two to make them better than f2k

And gun is unlocked at much lower rank

[ebon jackal]

I do dispute that logic quite a bit. With the base stats the AUG beats the F2k in most ways, the only thing that attachments impact is that the AUG gets a much larger benefit from the long barrel

[wispy magnet]

This is my fav weapon in the game rn, but it lacks a strong niche.

F2000 suffers in CQC, but also suffers in longer ranged engagements. Either you do subpar damage close-up, or do awful damage at range.

[karmic canyon]

it definitely needs less damage fall off

i think it'd be perfectly fine then

[wispy magnet]

I believe I know what we need to do...

F2000

• Velocity increased from 700 to 740.
• Accuracy increased from 76.25 to 77.50.
• Damage fall-off start increased from 50m to 150m(?).

Idk the exact value but I'd like damage fall-off start to be the same as weapons like AK15, Scar-H, Aug A3, etc...

[wispy magnet]

Great minds think alike.

[rancid pawn]

this seems fine

150m is probably a bit excessive

also accuracy is literally a placebo stat but whatever

an increase is an increase

[north parcel]

Accuracy does seem to affect your spread, but you only really notice after like 100m

[rancid pawn]

Yeah no im pretty certain accuracy is broken completly

That thing your noticing after 100m is horizontal recoil

[willow roost]

Range buff is literally what I asked for on day 1 for f2k
150 or 140 (fuck knows cause those graphs are unreadable) is the dmg drop off starting value for ak15, scarh, sg550 and aug so nothing unreasonable
And yeah, whatever accuracy does in this game if anything is not what any definition of accuracy is so whatever

[wispy magnet]

It does affect spread like what Dakkari said. Not by a lot though, that's more of a fluff change cause it looks pretty lol.

[trail matrix]

Still does more than controll

[willow roost]

what spread? rly trying to understand wtf it does
my bullets go straight where I send them be it single fire or full auto, no deviation
some ppl say it affects hip fire which also doesnt make any sense cause why would I care for accuracy at point blank range

[wispy magnet]

Spread does exist, you can see it from further ranges using a scope.

[broken ibex]

it does... you got your acc stat infuencing hipfire and then you have a weapon class specific ads acc, snipers and dmrs have 100%

[willow roost]

Does it occur only in full auto or with single taps as well?
Cause single tapping vector with compensator (around 60 accuracy) at 300 meters lands full mag of headshots which clearly indicates there is no spread or weapon specific accuracy whatsoever

[broken ibex]

you have the acc stat infuencing hipfire and then you have a weapon class specific ads acc, snipers and dmrs have 100%

[willow roost]

Vector is an smg so it should have weapon class accuracy of smgs which should definitely not be 100%
300m is almost 6 times the distance smgs are supposed to be used
It should not land 36 headshots at that range if there is any meaningful amount of spread assigned to a weapon
And yet here we are proving smgs have accuracy of 100% when it matters

[broken ibex]

idk about ads acc go ask oxigen he told me that...

[willow roost]

My point is whatever it is it doesnt fucking work

And should be fixed

[broken ibex]

*clarified
same for control, oki's just trolling tbh xD

[willow roost]

Yeah a buch of stats to spook you away from running attachments 😂
Anyways if it gets buffed I wont mind

[mighty grotto]

Battlebitch

[fluid gale]

F2k bad

[karmic canyon]

cry

[fluid gale]

f2k bad

[wispy magnet]

Tbh I'm not sure, never tested single fire. I would expect it to be more accurate when tap firing.

[rancid pawn]

can we get a damage increase to make it better against armor

but just disable long and heavy barrel

[tulip lava]

Battlebitch

[mighty grotto]

Battlecuck

[wispy magnet]

Played with this thing a lot and the swap speed was oddly bad

Maybe bring it in line with other ARs cause this thing isn't good enough to justify peepeepoopoo swap speeds

[north parcel]

I am once again hoping for a range buff on this thing

[tacit flicker]

there's aug and sg550 for more drop off distance.

[north parcel]

I like how this thing feels, except for how it feels like it should be a mid to long range gun, but it just... doesn't do that.

[willow roost]

improve dmg drop off, nothing else is needed

[tulip lava]

4000!

Wow

[mighty grotto]

This gun is insanely op (chill its a joke)

[north parcel]

Why doesn't this have a quick-a mag?

[muted widget]

This gun feels weird. Maybe its just due to my battlefield background but i always felt like f2000 should be more of a low ttk cq gun rather than an accurate mid ranger

[stark geyser]

A fan of this weapon. I catch snipers with it sometimes because it has no recoil. Not the best at close range tho.

[north parcel]

Great at mid-long ranges, mediocre at cqc. Feels wierd at long ranges du to damage drop off and its reliance on headshots to kill quickly.

[mighty grotto]

I personally think its balanced and I'm glad it has its own niche

[stark geyser]

Yeh. I enjoy how accurate it is for the firerate, so people at long range usually don't see it coming when I blow their faces off.
0.6 horizontal recoil makes it very consistent

[main cargo]

meh gun tbh

[rancid pawn]

increase damage by 1 now that long barrel is kil

[ebon jackal]

The long barrel was never useful for the f2000

Much smaller ttk boost than most ARs

I think only famas and scar were worse

[willow roost]

His point is now that the dmg increase mechanic is out of the game f2k can have its dmg buffed to 24
Which previously meant its ttk could have been significantly improved with a long barrel and make the gun broken
Im down with the suggestion

[rancid pawn]

yep thats exactly what i meant thank you

i think the gun could really use just a little extra oomph against armour

[ebon jackal]

I wouldn’t mind it I guess

The gun could use a small buff

[karmic canyon]

yeah, that'd be pretty nice

[nova field]

PP2000 does 24 damage, why not the F2000?

[ebon jackal]

They use different rounds so that comparison doesn’t really make sense

[main cargo]

this is a videogame

you cant have things be realistic and balanced

[north parcel]

If things were realistic, the f2 would have 30 damage, same as the m4

[ebon jackal]

I'm not saying they should be realistic

I am questioning their comparison

[main cargo]

both are mediocre at best

[ebon jackal]

f2000 gets fairly directly outclassed, pp2000 doesn't really

[karmic canyon]

muh realism

[ebon jackal]

That isn’t a realism argument, I’m questioning what their argument was

[karmic canyon]

F2000 could use a buff. making it more effective against armor, without reducing the TTK, by bumping the damage up to 24, would be nice

[main cargo]

needs more than just 24 dmg lol

[karmic canyon]

your mom needs more than 24 dmg

[main cargo]

i dont have a mom

insert crying soundeffect

[ebon jackal]

24 dmg would be a small buff but not insignificant

25 would be too much

For reference this is just a thing that tells you how much each damage level (left) will affect the ttk of the gun compared to the one before it (right), with an arbitrary scaling factor, against unharmed opponents

[main cargo]

im just waiting for the unused armor dmg to be implemented

alot of ars could do with it

[karmic canyon]

exactly

[nova field]

We don’t need a laser FAMAS.

Bumping up the damage would extend the effective range of the F2000 nicely.

[ebon jackal]

That wouldn’t affect the ranges it works best at

[north parcel]

24 damage and a slight effective range buff would be nice

Having its max damage range extended out to even 75m would work wonders

[languid vortex]

A buff to the effective range would be a good start. Btw you killed me like 10 times yesterday 🤕

[ebon jackal]

I didn't play BBR yesterday

[karmic canyon]

solar sausage doppelganger

[ebon jackal]

I have one in tabg called Baron

they wear almost the same clothes as me

their shade of red is slightly wrong and their helmet and vest design is different to mine, and they lack gloves
but from a distance we look identical

[north parcel]

Well, I literally got the things I asked for

[cyan sluice]

Yeah changes will make the gun even better than it was

I know it wasn't the best but I always had great success with it

[north parcel]

Yeah, probably my favorite Assault rifle, honestly.

Getting the ability to do more than just tickle people at longer ranges makes me very happy.

[cyan sluice]

Just a laser beam with the right setup and mindset around recoil control. It did feel like 70 yards and in was its sweet spot, hopefully at range it feels a little better now

[north parcel]

It's a good all rounder, that felt like it was made for medium ranges, but didn't quite cut it at those ranges. This change should help a lot.

[languid vortex]

So how are people feeling about the adjustments to the f2k? Im liking it.

[north parcel]

F2 was good before, feels even better now without being op

[stark geyser]

f2k is one of those weapons I feel nasty using but people keep saying it's underpowered

so I feel really good using it

[sinful crow]

IMO the F2K is, for the average player, not really good. It's excellent if you can aim at people's heads, which the low recoil lets you do

Having played with it after the buff, it definitely feels better

[lapis heron]

Easiest weapon in the game to use by a long shot. No idea why it got a range buff over the other ARs

[rancid pawn]

because its a ranged weapon

[north parcel]

It's basically a faster firing, lower damage version of the aug

[tacit flicker]

Famas feels better than f2k

[old fractal]

The F2000 can use Stanag and Nato magazines. You can change the standard number of rounds to 30 and add extended magazines like on M4A1 and similar weapons.

[ebon jackal]

So it wasn’t simply outclassed by the AUG

[stark geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-WGn6aUcU
Now I see.... I still like the weapon and am not a fan of the AUG but I like this video. Very informative

[trail matrix]

L take

Buffing it's damage over 24 would make it a Famas but better at everything

[scarlet zealot]

Also using high mag scopes on ARs is just asking to wiff imo, stick to low zooms on anything but BRs or DMRs

The visual shake is not worth the increased sight image on anything automatic

[stark geyser]

I really like the included 1.6x sight

[stark geyser]

Yeah I dont think it has to be buffed in damage or recoil. I already love it as a more generalist but still accurate weapon. For me the aug doesnt do it because I lose most 1v1 at close range with it vs this gun.

[teal ridge]

F2000 is a solid weapon, if you landed your shots..

I mean, it should not be that hard right? It got low recoil and accurate as hell by default

[stark geyser]

It isnt poo like the pp19 or anything so im thankful.

[nova field]

It’s pretty funny tho.

“FN products are borderline over represented in Battlebit, and range from pretty good (cuts to P90 footage) to the four horsemen (cuts to FAL footage).”

[trail matrix]

Yeah, BUT, P90 isn't as viable as it was long time ago, it's MUCH less popular
And FAL is due a nerf for half a year alredy

[rancid pawn]

Mp7 too

that thing got buffed acttually

[karmic canyon]

FAL has awful recoil and a really small mag

groza has the same TTK but with 0 recoil

[ebon jackal]

Groza’s a bit better in ttk

With a fairly big mag

[nova field]

I thought both have the same TTK, but the FAL keeps it better against armor because lol 40 damage.

[sinful crow]

oh hey lmao

[sinful crow]

I think if the F2K was buffed to 25 damage it'd need a couple nerfs in other areas, like reducing the base mag capacity back to 30. Buffing its damage to 24 and giving it 75m falloff definitely moved it from painful to mid, but it absolutely still is being carried by all those buffs it got the day after it dropped

[trail matrix]

Then you are still making better/on par Famas/AK5C, we have those weapons in the game, this archetype is kind of occupied

[sinful crow]

That's fair, yeah

AK5C is 100% a different niche than the FAMAS though, what

[trail matrix]

200ms ttk assault rifles, one is high RPM another is Low RPM

Then there is HK419 being 225ms ttk, but also hign rof

[sinful crow]

Fitting weapons into specific archetypes based on their TTK is odd

[trail matrix]

It's more of a archetype/performance combo

[sinful crow]

also yea this is correct

Groza is 3 BTK only if you don't hit any armor, FAL ignores light armor for purposes of BTK, and is 4 BTK on medium/heavy armor

Both FAL and GROZA are 5 BTK on Exo though

back to the F2K though since this is the thread for that

[sinful crow]

So at 24 damage and 75m falloff I think the F2K definitely occupies its niche

I'm warming up to the idea that it doesn't need a damage buff but it definitely feels like a higher-skill rifle than most people say it is

[nova field]

The recoil of this gun directly correlates with its damage.

I like the gun, no doubt.

Just that the AUG feels better.

[sinful crow]

gang AUG

still feels fuckin surreal seeing my video linked out in the wild

[nova field]

Welcome to fame, ma’am.

[sinful crow]

[karmic canyon]

armor doesn't matter unless you're bad at the game

it covers very little of your playermodel

[sinful crow]

yeah, in most cases you're right

exo armor's harder to avoid hitting though

[rancid pawn]

the f200i0 is meh

feels like its still a worse aug

in the niche it fills

[trail matrix]

Yeah, it has it's niche, it has it's role, AUG may be better, but by no means F2K is bad

It functions as a sidegrade, and a good one to that

[nova field]

The AUG feels more useful to me, but the F2000 is no slouch. It's very good at shooting through gaps and sniping players behind cover.

[north parcel]

F2K is currently my best gun, and is what I usually fall back on when anything else I'm using doesn't feel like it's working.

[ebon jackal]

FAL can kill with one headshot and one bodyshot while the Groza can’t

So their ttk against unarmoured enemies is significantly different

[karmic canyon]

hide solar sausage threads
ignore solar sausage posts
do not reply to solar sausage posters

helmets don't exist, and disjointing your head hitbox with leans definitely doesn't exist either. disingenuous fuckwit

[ebon jackal]

[ebon jackal]

Looking at this statement I’m not sure why I put that there though since it looks like I’m comparing the FAL and Groza. I remember I was talking about the RPK, maybe I sent this in the wrong thread? I’ve actually confused myself here

Or maybe I meant to say worse and just didn’t notice, but that doesn’t seem like the intention given how I worded the message.

[ebon jackal]

That doesn’t make sense either actually… I was thinking about a gun with a smaller mag than the Groza and worse ttk

[ancient igloo]

f2k sounds like the lego building sound suppressed

[sinful crow]

hey weren't you in my comments section

[ancient igloo]

yerp

[sinful crow]

lmao

[trail matrix]

When next video?

[north parcel]

We can only hope the devs get an audio guy

[grave merlin]

They do plan to redo the audio

[delicate otter]

I feel like the F2000 is a bit fast on the reload and firerate

Unlocked it and it was like a laserbeam dropped into my hands

[ebon jackal]

The FAL, AUG, SG550 and ACR all have faster reloads

If you’re suggesting a fire rate nerf though I heavily disagree with you. The gun isn’t very powerful as is.

[pine swallow]

f2k is in a good spot. ye its a laser but so is the acr and u cannt downplay the movement speed with that thing..

[gritty folio]

Would like to see a little bit more damage.

[north parcel]

You didn't read too far back in this thread, did you?

As much as all of us would love for the F2k to hit harder, it would make it override the Famas niche.

[ebon jackal]

not really

they're a really long way away from each other in specialisation

[pine swallow]

weapon is in a brilliant spot rn

[undone kite]

This weapon, in my opinion, should be slightly deteriorated in terms of speed

[sinful crow]

Like, movement speed?

[sinful crow]

Yeah even though I said this in my video I agree

F2K is a mid-range, low-damage laser beam

It fits that niche well

I happen to not like it too much

[rancid pawn]

I think the f2000 will be a lot better once the visual recoil of medium scopes is lowered in the next update

[sinful crow]

oh I forgot they were doing that