#Bandaging / Self Healing - Feedback

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still anchor
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My guy snipers have 3 bandages total, they can only fully heal once. They are players too and their favoured playstyle makes them play farther away from their team, no to mention medics do not bother to heal anyway. Reliable health sustain is an important thing to have in games like this. When you don't have it you get what we have right now, a lot of medics running around just healing themselves.

kindred oasis
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Recon don’t have to move far so supply drops are quite viable for them

still anchor
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You already have glint and muzzle flash giving you away so you are encouraged to move around but to sustain you need to stay around a supply drop. Sounds a bit contradictory.

slow lake
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The ENTIRE POINT of having a medic is for reviving and healing. If they aren't doing their job, then why does the class exist?

still anchor
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Trying to turn medic into that of tf2 would just not work because how different the games are. The main problem is that the game still doesn't know what it wants to be. It has these residual milsim elements that keeps it from being fully enjoyed as a casual shooter and is just a big middle finger to the milsim enjoyers.

topaz lake
still anchor
slow lake
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I understand the combat part of combat medic. I main medic in almost every game I've ever played. You should be killing stuff, yes. But if you're not healing your team, half the reason for your class goes out the window. Planetside somehow did this right, but that might be because the game played a little slower.

topaz lake
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This is the same problem in the opposite direction though

still anchor
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Yep

topaz lake
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you get too little medics if you remove their combat role

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Which is why supports being an infinite bandage generator in exchange for less explosives to me sounds conceptually solid

still anchor
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it just would not work in a game that has 127v127 game modes

topaz lake
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However the issue of medic's role pops up

still anchor
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it works in tf2 and overwatch (although overwatch has supports that can kill) because they are much smaller games

slow lake
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I'm in no way saying remove their combat role, I'd just like to see the game slowed down a little bit, or something, anything, to further encourage medics to actually do their job

topaz lake
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Medic ubersaw

still anchor
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honestly the game needs the devs to stop doing this middle ground shit and decide what they want it to be

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and maybe add a couple more developers but I know that won't happen

crimson sun
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Just remove the ARs from medics. Boom, they're a short range powerhouse, but lack the necessary killing power at range.

atomic egret
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I shall state this Lost

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I am a fan of making medics more jack of all trades

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but master of none

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and give assault the short ranged tools

crimson sun
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I don't think that'd be a good idea. No one would play most anything else. Medic would be the default and every other class would just be weird other things to play

vapid spoke
supple harness
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Like, honestly why? They're a medic

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You're giving them the tools specifically to not be near anyone

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It's like giving medics snipers

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Give them ARs and only ARs, middle of the ground, stays with the pack

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Hell, give them a grapple rope that lets them pull players from a distance, add to their medic toolset instead of making them primary combatants

crimson sun
# supple harness You're giving them the tools specifically to not be near anyone

It's like how engineers got smgs and such in bf4, but then they swapped out the smaller automatics to medics in future battlefields. I'm ok with them only getting dmrs or something, but the reason you wouldn't want medic being a powerhouse from a distance is because of the self healing. I think smgs promote getting to your teammates quickly, and getting to where the action is

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If you make medics fight at range more, they're around their teammates less in general.

supple harness
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But, being a powerhouse up close is problematic because self healing, that's why I'm saying give them middling weapons

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At least then they can be somewhat effective at all ranges whilst not specialising in one. More importantly they can be at the same or similar ranges as the majority of teammates

crimson sun
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But, I'm not opposed to them having the general AR or something. I just think medics shouldn't be strong at most ranges. The self healing is worse if they're always at range because you can't push them while they heal.

It's a problem either or. Also, AR's aren't middling lol, they're pretty good

supple harness
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SMGs promote becoming lightning fast twitch streamers, as displayed by the last 3 months of gameplay

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Literally what everyone's been complaining about for months

crimson sun
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The reason I'm promoting light medic as well is I feel like if you promote heavy armor medic, now they can survive longer, are promoted to sit back, and have self healing with heavier armor

supple harness
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Medium, make them an assault but without the benefits, with a limited weapons roster and with healing

crimson sun
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Everyone has been complaining about smgs, not specifically in relation to medics using them. Medics use them because they were too good. Now they'll use them to be up close because medic is the only class with smgs that playstyle is viable for

supple harness
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No one's got a problem with assault using SMGs, I've never seen that mentioned

crimson sun
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Because no one played assault before

supple harness
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It's specifically the combo of fast movement, insane firepower up close, and rapid self-healing thats the crux of the issue. Just remove one of those

crimson sun
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Smgs got nerfed hard, now people started playing assault a bit more.

supple harness
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Or better yet, two

crimson sun
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I do agree that medic being the only one light armor works for is silly

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Easy fix

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Make self healing work like it does when you throw the medkit on the ground

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Now it's slower and can be interrupted. And you have to STOP to heal

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You can move and run, but you might get clipped

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I pull out the medkit a lot when disengaging just to heal myself up while running away.

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This would make that strat a lot less strong at the very least. Keep it the same though for healing teammates

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Medic will still be the only one'd using light/ranger armor, but it won't feel quite like the only playstyle that should be used as medic. Not a complete fix, but it's a start

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I really think the light armor medic is fun, that's why I was saying to give them only smgs and carbines. But if they get changed up to where everyone can go light armor (as in it makes more sense to do) I'm fine with them keeping both ars and smg.

supple harness
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Light armor medic is fun but it's fulfilling a role that should really go to another class, like recon

kindred oasis
crimson sun
supple harness
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Make them actually "recon"

crimson sun
# kindred oasis Why would medic be the only one it works for? For what reason?

It's not why would, it IS the only one it works for currently. They can self heal, so running no armor doesn't matter. Armor is basically good for one encounter or two, but with other classes it's what helps you survive a little bit longer. With medic you often times can take on a lot more fights simply due to being able to self heal, therefor making armor not that useful

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Helmets don't count in this ofc

kindred oasis
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And much of the benefits of armour is mag / grenade capacity.

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Medic doesn’t have access to ammo kits so I’d argue light isn’t a good idea for them compared to others

supple harness
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SMGs have enough magazines by default where this isn't really a limitation

crimson sun
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I run light armor with medic, honestly I don't have a crazy amount of problems with ammo. I'm usually playing the objective hard, or around teammates with ammo, or have enough points to just call in a supply drop

kindred oasis
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That isn’t a lot

crimson sun
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You only really feel the lack of ammo on ctf and rush. 5 mags is plenty lol

kindred oasis
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Especially considering SMGs tend to have fairly low kills per mag as well

crimson sun
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Pp2000 has 40 rounds. If you're playing up close and hitting shots you can generally be alright with 5 mags

kindred oasis
supple harness
crimson sun
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If you're playing with teammates, it's less of an issue still. And like I said I can just call ammo basically anytime

kindred oasis
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Like I usually run an AR with 6 mags and I still need to use an ammo kit sometimes

supple harness
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I think maybe once every 4 lives you might be in a situation where you have to go search for ammo, but you're super fast and it's not hard to find

crimson sun
kindred oasis
supple harness
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It's a mild concern rather than a limitation

kindred oasis
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Assault isn’t a long range class

crimson sun
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Not long range bruh, just not up close like with smgs

kindred oasis
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And 3-4 of the ARs are basically dedicated CQC weapons

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Like, moreso than SMGs

supple harness
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Sausage I think you and I will never see eye to eye

crimson sun
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I don't think that's true? Like the famas and fal maybe?

supple harness
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Your opinions are wild

crimson sun
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Agree

kindred oasis
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Too much recoil to be good mid range

supple harness
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Hahahahahahaha

crimson sun
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The scar is not a dedicated cqc weapon lmao

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Tap fire it and it kills like a dmr

kindred oasis
supple harness
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FAMAS maybe (but it's semi-trash), FAL and AK15 are very much mid-long range, but can hold their own short range

kindred oasis
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The tap firing thing is just a neat bonus

crimson sun
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The fal can decimate at any range besides real long tbh. AK15 was the same for me too

supple harness
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They kill close sure, but not as consistently as SMGs, anyways this is the wrong thread for this discussion

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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Yea, point is medic is too strong lmao

crimson sun
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Because of self healing

kindred oasis
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Circle time

Everyone can self heal :D

crimson sun
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I think the medkit self healing should be changed to be how it is when it's thrown on the ground. Medic could get a buff with bandage's heal amount

crimson sun
# kindred oasis Circle time Everyone can self heal :D

I think you don't understand that medics can heal to full 100% of the time and that's the difference. Even with the new update they'll still be able to take any fight with 0 concern for bandages. I know as assault and such when I'm low on bandages I really slow down a lot if no teammates are around

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I can run light armor on assault, but I'll be bled a bunch and have to top myself off to have a fighting chance more often with light armor.

kindred oasis
crimson sun
kindred oasis
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You said that healing to 100% makes a difference here

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Why?

crimson sun
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Because you'll take fights more often? Because you can heal to 100 for free ALL of the time for 0 cost other than time? Because you don't need to worry about running out of bandages no matter how many fights you take?

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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That's why light armor with medic works so well

kindred oasis
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???

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Where does the armour come in

crimson sun
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Bruh

kindred oasis
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You look like you’re giving an explanation for one thing and stating it means another

crimson sun
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You can run light armor with medic because you can heal to 100, meaning you can take fights as many times as you like whether you have armor or not

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So there's 0 point to using armor because you'll just be slower, unless you want the mags. It's why ranger armor is so popular

kindred oasis
kindred oasis
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Again this seems unrelated

crimson sun
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@supple harness sorry to pull you back in to this, am I just stupid and explaining this bad lmao?

kindred oasis
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Why would what happens after the armour is gone make a difference to how good the armour is

crimson sun
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I'm saying running light armor makes sense on medic because running armor isn't necessary to survive as much as with other classes

kindred oasis
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That is a better argument

crimson sun
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It's what I've been saying

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You can heal to 100 for free as medic, so you can take as many fights as you want, so armor isn't as important.

kindred oasis
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The question would be if it actually does

crimson sun
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???

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They do???

kindred oasis
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We have no data, so I don’t know

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Have to guess.

crimson sun
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That's been a major point of discussion for the community since the game came out

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And just by playing the game you can tell medics can take fights way more often

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And safely

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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What buffs?

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The bandages?

kindred oasis
# crimson sun And safely

But when actually in the fight they are weaker than other classes, they just get a potential advantage for the next one

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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I don't remember the buffs lol.

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I'm speaking EA release

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Didn't play the game before that

kindred oasis
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Fairly sure assault buffs were after that but not certain

crimson sun
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They weren't

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I've been playing since launch and I don't remember them being buffed anyway

kindred oasis
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Ah nvm I misremembered

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Buffs were announced before launch

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And probably deployed with it

crimson sun
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Medics aren't weaker in fights than other classes

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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They're stronger generally because they can heal up HP real quick, bandage faster, and will generally be moving faster than other classes due to wearing ranger or light armor more often

kindred oasis
crimson sun
kindred oasis
crimson sun
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I'm healing whenever I get a chance, breaking line of sight to heal and take on the next guy

kindred oasis
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Assault, support and engineer have traits intended to boost their performance during fights that medic does not have access to

crimson sun
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They aren't weaker in any way other than ads and reload speed compared to assault

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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What are support, sl, and recons traits?

kindred oasis
vapid spoke
kindred oasis
crimson sun
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All the classes have light backpacks I believe

kindred oasis
# crimson sun What are support, sl, and recons traits?

SL I don’t even consider. Recon is incomparable as they just snipe, but people play it so it can’t be that bad. Support is controversial, the armour and guns should make it better in many circumstances but how well it achieves that is hard to say

crimson sun
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What do you play?

kindred oasis
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Which is part of their advantages but it’s also something other classes have over them

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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As assault I would take medkit in a heartbeat over grapple

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Hrm

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No I'm pretty sure they do

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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I'll double check later

kindred oasis
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Which is why engineer and sometimes assault can outrun medic

crimson sun
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I'll double check that later. Could be right and I'm misremembering

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None of this really argues for medic being worse in a fight

kindred oasis
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I think it quite specifically does

crimson sun
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Like, I don't have more ammo for my grapple hook and smokes as assault.

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Doesn't help me too much in a fight compared to infinite healing that's reasonably quick

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That also heals everyone around you

kindred oasis
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How they balance out is not objectively known.

crimson sun
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I'm strictly speaking fighting people mostly equally here. Not pushing up on an objective where smokes would cover your team. That's more teamplay and macro stuff, which assault and support both can be more helpful on.

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But the free self healing is what makes medic crazy strong. It's why in bf4 it was changed so often, and why people generally only ran assault on infantry based stuff

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Assault in that game had access to everything you could want. But you'd never remove your medkit

cobalt mural
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(Light backpack is again, going 65 in a 60 zone, Ain't that big of a difference)

crimson sun
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Medic is the strongest in people to people fights

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Regardless of what armor you have

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But they can also get a major speed increase without sacrificing their ability to win fights with more than just one person

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They can also reengage faster than other classes (ammo not withstanding)

kindred oasis
kindred oasis
crimson sun
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💀

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I'm not repeating myself again on this one man.

kindred oasis
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“major speed increase”
is not something medics have that other classes do not

cobalt mural
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And we circle ALL the way back to the fact medic also has CQB capibility AND Infinite sustainment

kindred oasis
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Infinite sustainment matters when other classes run out of sustainment. The question would be to what extent that currently happens, and how bandage changes will affect that

crimson sun
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Bandages will make light armor mildly more viable on other classes, yes

cobalt mural
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Infinite + All the other benefits of the box (Heal times, build up to max heath, Ability to still sprint and jump about when using) > 6

crimson sun
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No one is arguing you can't run light armor on other classes

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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Or that you shouldn't run heavy armor on medic

cobalt mural
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And with the other issues it becomes the problem

atomic egret
crimson sun
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Medic is strong because they can self heal infinitely, which allows them to get SPEED because they can give up armor without giving up much sustainability in the long run

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Which is why light armor is more viable on medic, if in fact fantastic on medic

atomic egret
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(playing catchup on reading as a headsup)

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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Which causes medic to be cracked out af. Which is it isn't a problem to some people

crimson sun
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Medic does

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It's not even a question bro

kindred oasis
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If you think 5 mags is enough then it doesn’t sound like the medic is sustaining itself infinitely :p

crimson sun
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Objectively medic can survive longer

kindred oasis
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Cannot claim that

crimson sun
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I'm talking staying alive here, not ammo

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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And even then you can just call in ammo on any mode that isn't ctf or rush for basically free

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And you can tell medic can survive longer but the fact you run out of ammo more as medic

kindred oasis
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Takes a while to arrive so I usually wouldn’t bother

kindred oasis
atomic egret
crimson sun
cobalt mural
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It is ye

crimson sun
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Would be news to me lol

atomic egret
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I said it is infinite

kindred oasis
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they just said that it was in that statement

atomic egret
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but not only it is infinite

crimson sun
atomic egret
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it is faster

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np

crimson sun
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Solar has fried my brain a little I'll admit

atomic egret
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but yea

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to sum up the medic's self heal in a nutshell

cobalt mural
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And versatile due to the gradual healing instead of burst

atomic egret
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it is FAR better than face value suggests

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Due to that

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you can patch yourself up in little bundles if needed

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you don't have a all or nothing on your heal

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add it heals you to full Faster

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and can possibly be used mid combat to heal til you hit a bleed (Which you patch yourself up faster on a bleed than anyone)

crimson sun
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Medics will notice running out of ammo more often, even with ranger armor because they survive a good bit longer. I run ranger armor on assault and run out of ammo from time to time, but it's really not that big an issue on assault for me just like with medic. I manage my ammo pretty well in general tbh. Very rarely do I run all the way out without refilling

atomic egret
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(possibly is mainly at medium or further ranges)

kindred oasis
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I’m just gonna put this again, refined and see if anyone disagrees with it

Assault: you have another gadget, 25% faster reloads, 20% faster aimdown time and weapon switching, light backpack, extra C4.

Medic: faster bandaging, granular healing, near infinite potential sustainability from bandages, can run SMGs

(did I miss anything?)

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Because this should basically sum up a comparison between them

crimson sun
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Does assault have extra c4?

atomic egret
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I would say more bandages to fix bleeds and such

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on medic

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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Didn't know that if true

kindred oasis
atomic egret
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true but this is mainly to expand on that

crimson sun
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With all the systems as they currently are, medic is the strongest

atomic egret
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but to sum up my thoughts

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Bandage healing is a bandaid fix

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that is the plain & simple

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It effected the gameplay by encouraging saving them for yourself FAR more often

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The medic's heal is still outright better in almost EVERY sitution

kindred oasis
atomic egret
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if not outright all

kindred oasis
atomic egret
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To clarify the self heal

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the teammate heal this is no issue

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but for the self heal mixed with other aspects that been mentioned

kindred oasis
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Medic needs to be the best healing to have any reason to use it other than compassion (because most people I don’t think will play a class in this game just to support others)

atomic egret
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it creates a uber aggressive medic that is encouraged to frag

crimson sun
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I still think medic could be balanced out more by just having the self heal on it be slower, or heal in chunks like when it's on the ground.

Bandages are also used to revive. The changes are more to help with being able to revive teammates more often I think tbh

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I ignore teammates a lot more now as non medic classes

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So it'll help with that

atomic egret
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I would say this mix

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self heal wise

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medic's self heal should be roughly 5 seconds for either a 50 HP heal burst or a 50 HP over a additional 5 second (so 10 HP per second possibly)

kindred oasis
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What would you say to the idea that both forms of medic self heal could be nerfed by 25%

atomic egret
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and interrupted by any form of damage

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I feel that the medic's helaing needs a rework than a flat nerf

crimson sun
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I think having like a 5 second cooldown upon being damaged would help ya. Bleeding sort of fits that role atm

atomic egret
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self healing to clarify

supple harness
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Make them use bandages like everyone else, remove the bandaged speed buff for self-bandaging

atomic egret
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And Yeti I thought about that

supple harness
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Self healing is now the same across the board

atomic egret
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it just creates a greedy medic issue in my mind

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where they do not wish to rev

supple harness
kindred oasis
atomic egret
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It is a case of more greed

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and less incentives to revive

supple harness
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They also have 20+ bandages, give them more

atomic egret
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It would be better to cut this bandaid fix bandage issue at the root

crimson sun
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The bandage speed would have to stay in that case

supple harness
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The main thing is for a medic, you can constantly whip it out (lol) and quickly top yourself up. Bandages require holding it for the full length of time before giving a bulk heal

atomic egret
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But to the point

  1. changing the box to be a 5 second progress to get a heal (and interrupted by damage) would equal out the current issue & make them take cover for the downtime heal
supple harness
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The former is far more flexible, which is where the advantage lies

atomic egret
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Flexible and faster

crimson sun
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I think everyone can agree at this point. It just needs to be adjusted somehow lol

kindred oasis
supple harness
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If you make self-healing the same for every class, you have a unified experience

atomic egret
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I shall be blunt

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I feel medic's self heal should be worse but equally infinite

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To clarify

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Leave the team heal as is

supple harness
kindred oasis
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If it makes the class more fun to play I think it is a good thing

atomic egret
supple harness
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Healing others is fine currently, it's fast and rewarding.

atomic egret
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that & the effectiveness of the self heal time

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so you can heal yourself to full far faster than a enemy can

supple harness
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Let me give an example

atomic egret
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and you can do quick patch jobs when needed

supple harness
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A common example too

crimson sun
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I wouldn't mind bandages being the main way to heal. But keep the heal speed of medic. Keep team healing with the medkit, but make it so the medic can only self heal if it's thrown down on the ground. Bandages would start the same amount wise so ammo would be more necessary for medics for bandages. Medics SHOULD have the threat of running out so they have to make a decision on how to play imo. Makes it more interesting and fun when playing if you have to make more choices

supple harness
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You get nicked as a medic, you have 85/100hp, you grab your medic bag and spend a few seconds topping yourself back up.

You get nicked as an engineer, you have 85/100hp, your choice is either to waste a bandage and spend 6 seconds bandaging 15hp, or carry on wounded.
If you chose not to, you're now 1-shot easier to kill for most weapons especially DMRs etc, which has a huge impact.

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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It's not inconvenience, just different imo. The situation yeti mentioned is really the main thing with self healing as the medic that gives it an advantage and makes it strong af

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Letting medic also partake in that decision making would be nice

atomic egret
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I shall be blunt

supple harness
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If everyone healed the same, in terms of bandages, you'd require a medic to do their job and top you up

atomic egret
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the current medic's self heal is effectively playing a FPS like cod with regeneration than going to fight guys in squad without it pretty much

crimson sun
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Yea pretty much

supple harness
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IE, their role would be required more heavily

atomic egret
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a medic tends to need to be jack of all trades but master of none when it comes to encourage them to do more medic than combat so to speak

crimson sun
supple harness
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Righ!

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Teamwork: encouraged

atomic egret
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I'll be honest through

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I would replace the bandage healing system we have now with a dedicated slot gadget of sorts

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(so not using a current gadget slot)

supple harness
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I say this knowing full well that currently "yes, medic is fun to play, being fast and healy is fun"

atomic egret
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for all but medic

crimson sun
# supple harness Teamwork: encouraged

Without diminishing their ability to take fights that much. More like equaling it out. They have to spend a resource just like everyone else, but they get more of it because they use it on others as well

atomic egret
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Allows that to be adjusted without effecting bandages which touch currently 3 things

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they could also make the medic's self heal have it's own self heal resource

supple harness
crimson sun
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I think we've managed to boil down how to ruin the medic class boys 😏

crimson sun
supple harness
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Medics currently bandage heal at twice the speed of other classes, I don't think it would have a massive effect other than to diminish revive bandages, if you want a lore reason then "it's a whole lot easier to bandage someone else".

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People would still play medic for the sole reason of self-healing faster than other classes

crimson sun
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Reviving should definitely be faster than other classes still. Same with patching bleeding I think

supple harness
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Oh 100%, keep bandaging and reviving others at the current speed

atomic egret
supple harness
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If not make it a little faster

atomic egret
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yeti I feel like that is a default assumption at this rate (do not effect the medic's team support capabilities)

supple harness
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Healing other with the medic box could be a bit faster too, as a trade-off. I'd be 100% fine with that

crimson sun
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We've done it boys. We solved the game

supple harness
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This ties into UI a bit more, but it would also be nice for people to have the ability to request healing (or ammo) and that ping up for medics

atomic egret
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ahh but what about da Armor Mix?

crimson sun
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Can't wait for no changes to happen.

Being able to request stuff would be nice

kindred oasis
atomic egret
crimson sun
supple harness
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I have zero problems with medics being speedy and having SMGs if they self-heal the same as all other classes. Again it just needs one of the trifecta to be removed to make it more enjoyable

kindred oasis
crimson sun
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Well, I think it'd fit engineer, so

atomic egret
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I shall be honest, I feel support should get the armor box

supple harness
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Wrong thread

atomic egret
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it kinda gets into self healing

crimson sun
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Armor is like self healing slightly

atomic egret
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since armor repairing

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it is just a different kind of self healing

crimson sun
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Is there an armor box thread lol, lemme see

supple harness
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Wait for the armor rework Oki has hinted at

atomic egret
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aye fair enough

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I am curious if he'll just make it flat DR or keep in in a way it is now in a sense

crimson sun
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Probably just a flat damage reduction I would imagine. Combined with an armor bar or something

kindred oasis
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I would be ok if it was a percentage reduction + flat DR. Like medium, heavy and EXO armour could provide 25, 40 and 60% damage reduction each but then also take away 2, 4 and 6 damage from the bullets
But we’d really need an SMG buff if we’re gonna do this

atomic egret
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could be oki is making use of the armor damage stat

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and has each gun do different amounts of armor damage

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(effectively making it so you have a flesh damage number & a armor damage number)

kindred oasis
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Do we have any idea how that would work?

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Like, you have 30 damage and 5 armour damage and you shoot at someone in medium armour. What does the armour damage do?

atomic egret
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I assume 5 armor damage

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similar to how light vehicle damage works

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and heavy vehicle damage

kindred oasis
atomic egret
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True

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in this case one would be against the armor

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and another against the infantry's flesh

kindred oasis
slow lake
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How about this: you have a 100 health and 50 armor. The gun being fired deals 30 health, 5 armor damage. The armor percentage reduces damage based on armor health. Being shot leaves you at 85 health and 45 armor. This is an extreme example of how the armor system could go.

atomic egret
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So

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similar to Half life's armor system

slow lake
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Ye

atomic egret
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interesting idea

slow lake
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Why not just use an already done good idea?

kindred oasis
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Half life is nothing like battlebit

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So I don’t think that is really a good justification for it

atomic egret
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And I used the term similar for a reason

kindred oasis
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Yeah I was talking about the other guy

kindred oasis
atomic egret
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in fairiness it is equally not a bad idea because it is like half life

supple harness
atomic egret
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and cue solar being shot down like a heli without the tail

slow lake
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I'm not saying take the exact mechanic. I'm saying they could at least take a look and see what might work from other games with armor systems

supple harness
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You have to think about what is programmatically most simple, as BBR does some really funky stuff to get 250+ players on the same server without extreme lag

slow lake
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Fair

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I do think I like damage resist over extra health

supple harness
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I prefer damage mitigation as it's a bit more flexible

crimson sun
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Just make armor physical and able to be shot off. Like you're chipping it away, and can see it happening so you know when someone is vulnerable 😎

atomic egret
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I am personally a case of I just want armor to feel impactful

slow lake
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Like planetsides nanoweave, but with an actual reason to use something else

supple harness
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Either raw or percentage based

atomic egret
kindred oasis
atomic egret
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Like 2-3 years back

slow lake
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Yes, I know, I'm referring back to when it was the thing literally everyone picked

atomic egret
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they swapped small arms damage reduction by 20% for non headshots to sniper rifles

atomic egret
slow lake
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before

atomic egret
supple harness
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Raw DR would protect better against high RoF weapons, percentage would be better against high alpha weapons

crimson sun
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You can just have armor reduce damage via absorbing 25% of all damage. Then that 25% would damage the armors health until it breaks fully. More armor = more armor hp. The key here is you'd see your armor hp as a color changing icon so you'd know you're low, but not exactly how low. Then add in some of the physical damage I mentioned and boom. Mildly more fun armor system. Just make it so armor can be patched up by a class as well

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That would increase the ttk massively of course, so it'd need more thought than that

atomic egret
slow lake
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Pull a fallout and do both damage resist and damage threshold

atomic egret
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Potentionally Mix

supple harness
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I'm not a fan of chest armor "running out", shooting off someone's helmet is fine though

crimson sun
kindred oasis
atomic egret
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it is a case of it could decrease TTK since you now do 75% through the armor

atomic egret
supple harness
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And eventually provides no protection, but you still have the speed penalty

crimson sun
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As long as it's got hp you'd still have the same amount of resistance. I meant decrease ttk my b

supple harness
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In a game with such low ttk, I don't think that's necessary or balanced

atomic egret
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doing a FO1 & 2 where you have both could be interesting

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could let you make certain armor better vs one type or another

slow lake
crimson sun
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Ideally in my made up system the armor would last a good bit longer armor hp wise, and would be visible to the player so you know when to go and repair it or something

atomic egret
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Like only afew items had it

slow lake
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True, but who didn't immediately go for ranger armor or power armor?

supple harness
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Anyway prob best to move to another thread so this doesn't all get lost

crimson sun
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Ranger armor just looked cooler lol

slow lake
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Woops

atomic egret
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those were DT only armor Crayssius

crimson sun
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Yee, defo off topic nowHyperXD

atomic egret
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fair

kindred oasis
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Honestly while it’s totally unrealistic I would just like it if armour very slowly fixed itself over time, and was otherwise kept how it is now

slow lake
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Maybe less "fixed itself" and more having an animation for putting armor plates back in?

kindred oasis
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Maybe… but I don’t think it should really be something you can just do at will in combat, because then armour becomes pretty busted

atomic egret
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could do a armor repair station constructable

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one where you go up, take a bit to interact with it for the new armor

kindred oasis
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That sounds very sci fi

crimson sun
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Just make it a bench

kindred oasis
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wakistan bridge gonna be covered in benches

atomic egret
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I would also mention

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make it only constructable around capture points

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friendly ones to clarify

kindred oasis
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And that could fix armour

slow lake
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Like the vehicle resupply stations on multuislands?

hexed iris
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Self/mate healing is a good idea for tactics gamestyle. That style requires really hard weapons recoil while fire, forces user to control, slower gamespeed, because of "you survive until you move fast" and harder respawn system that punishes player. Real person has a stamina and death-fear, so person usually think then does. In fast movement, fast respawn and almost no-recoil weapons idea of healing is only points collector, actually its useless. Very slow healing for time-to-dead 0.25sec. Too fast to play with great teamplay and try to keep team points bigger.

crimson sun
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Idk about the give up speed change lol

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Didn't know where to talk about it other than here. I know the current speed has seen me getting saved with just a sliver of time left sometimes

scarlet star
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I still think my suggestion for self-healing should be considered. Not to toot my own horn or w/e, but I feel it's a decent way to further balance it, ESPECIALLY now that all non-medic classes have received +2 bandages and thus further bolstered their self-sustain ability

My suggested change: reduce the instant heal amount from bandages down to 10 HP and add a 10-15 seconds cooldown between each bandage use (maybe circumvent the cooldown if bandaging bleeds/using bandage on others). BUT! Instead give the player a heal-over-time effect that last for 10 seconds and heals 4 HP per second, for a grand total heal of 50 HP

That'll make it a lot more tactical to use bandages, and also means snipers that've been shot down to low health can't just self-heal back up to 100% in 6 seconds flat and all but immediately go back to harassing folks

still anchor
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This would just kill the pace of the game entirely

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Now instead of hiding for 6 seconds while flanking you need to wait 10 seconds camping a spot to defend yourself

crimson sun
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Yea, gotta agree it'd be a bit too slow

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I still think bleeding just needs adjustment

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it feels way too random atm when you get bled. It's just annoying to deal with. I don't mind bleeding, I mind that it happens at what feels like any time

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Sometimes it'll happen when I'm above 50% hp, sometimes when I'm below, sometimes when I get shot once, sometimes when I get shot a bunch.

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I think it either needs to be strictly tied to falling below like 30% HP, or tied to how much damage is taken in a short time. Idk, just make it more understandable and I'll be happy. Gimme a loading screen tip on how it works or something

atomic egret
crimson sun
still anchor
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IIRC bleeding starts after taking 40 damage

crimson sun
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I swear I've bled then healed to full before which would mean I took exactly 40 damage

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It's just obtuse, and not being able to see your HP means it's really annoying to figure out how much you can get away with. Which is probably intentional. I'd also appreciate if when bleeding it's more clear when you'll start taking damage, like the red effect gets worse or pulses faster.

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TLDR: skill issue

slow lake
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The damage threshold for bleed is 20 health or less and at least 5 damage taken

crimson sun
kindred oasis
slow lake
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....Am I misremembering? Maybe it was 40? I know there's a set health threshold after which you start bleeding

still anchor
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I remember it being 40 and it would fit with the bandage heal amount

tawny rivet
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self healing overlap is annoying (trying to self bandage then someone close to you dies then it auto cancels your self bandage)

still anchor
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Yeah a new interaction appearing shouldn't cancel your ongoing process

mental verge
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oh, people already talked about self healing overlaping

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i might add self healing when others are self healing too, you cant self heal because it tries to heal others when you cant heal them with bandages

crimson sun
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Idk if it's 40 or not honestly for the bleeding. Which is the problem. The self healing thing defo is getting really annoying as I play as classes other than medic

atomic egret
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I am going to say it once again

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We need a dedicated self heal item rather than using bandages

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it could be in it's own slot

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have it compete against others ways of self heal (maybe one that is a instant burst after the progress and another that gives more but does it in a HoT form with interruption if you recieve damage)

still anchor
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This

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We've suggested this thing from the start

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We also criticized bandage healing, talked about its shortcomings and yet all of them made it into the game

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Medic is still popular as ever because of the simple fact that health is the most important resource

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Judging by the latest map voting changes I guess we will just see the dumbest "solutions" being implemented and then being slowly improved just to end up with what the community at large originally suggested 🤷‍♂️

topaz lake
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@mental perch

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More ammo for u

atomic egret
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But to sum it up, looking Purely at bandage healing vs the medic's Self heal option we get the following as of the current time
Bandage
1.Used for multiple things (Revives,Fixing bleeding & healing)
2. Limited resource (prior to the bandage increase most had 4-5 tops)
3. Takes time to do a burst of healing
4. has a wonky interaction when near others who start to bleed or go down
5. heals for 40 HP when used on self

Medical Crate

  1. Used for two things (healing others & yourself)
  2. Unlimited resource (Only limitation factor is draw speed and if you are down but both can be said of a bandage)
  3. Instant stream of health
  4. Different buttons to do self or allies (only jank is if you are in a crowd wanting to heal a specfic person)
  5. a stream of health that is more versatile (no delay on regaining health mix in the fact it is faster in the health regaining process)
halcyon sleet
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give us a dedicated selfheal button

atomic egret
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I would go further & say give us a dedicated self heal item

arctic remnant
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One feedback and one thinking on the bandages:

  1. On several maps, the medics cannot drop bandages. Once the medic drop it, the bandage will disappear. An example could be tensortown.

  2. Maybe reduce the resupply points for the bandages, so that support player can resupply more players with bandages. Right now it is quite hard to resupply bandages, once you run out of it.

polar rapids
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What if the medkit consumed a bandage for every 40hp u heal ,for yourself, and none for others so the maximum u can heal is 800hp for urself

still anchor
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That runs into the multiple uses problem

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People already complain about medics not reviving, I doubt that'll get better when they have to give up their healing for it

polar rapids
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I think the best way to go about this is to buff the other classes

atomic egret
still anchor
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Imho every class should have a self heal option that is abundant enough as to not push them into playing medic for long term sustain.

polar rapids
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nah cuz then medic useless as every other class medic

still anchor
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So, by your logic you either make medic useless or you make every other class useless?

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Medic is not just his self heal and he shouldn't be

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If that's all what medic is then that's a design issue

atomic egret
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I am just wanting people who want to actually be a medic to play medic mostly at this rate

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But yea we could add a stimpak effectively

kindred oasis
still anchor
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but what concerns me right now and the topic of this thread is self healing

polar rapids
young atlas
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Bandage Re-Work:

  • Bandages heal 100 hp over 10 - 20 seconds
  • Heal is interrupted by all damage except maybe fall damage.
  • Players have the option to take bandages from enemies' bodies when dragging them.
  • Players can use their teammates' bandages to revive them. This is done either through a modifier button or preferences.
atomic egret
young atlas
atomic egret
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I would equally ask why you think I love milsims?

young atlas
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Because I VC'd with you before and we spoke about our conflicting game philosophies.

atomic egret
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trying to recall that

young atlas
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i.e. There is not much middle ground for us.

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Because what we want are two very very different things.

atomic egret
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also I am a FPS lover I will agree

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But Milsim is a stretch more so

young atlas
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Do you like having all classes be self sustainable or do you want them to be dependent on each other?

atomic egret
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Depends on game

young atlas
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This one.

atomic egret
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personally I don't mind some dependancy on each other for long term survival

young atlas
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You don't mind or you prefer it?

atomic egret
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bit of both depending on exacts

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but to sum up a thing from the store page

young atlas
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Omg

atomic egret
young atlas
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Communication is also key in Halo, but it's not a requirement.

atomic egret
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halo is a different style of FPS as well

young atlas
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Yeah, but that doesn't change that I don't like forced dependency.

atomic egret
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So to sum up my thoughts as stated prior

young atlas
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And BattleBit is closer to Halo than CoD tbh.

atomic egret
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for long term survival

young atlas
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100% hipfire accuracy...

atomic egret
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where did I imply cod?

young atlas
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Oh it's that CoD doesn't force dependency either.

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And BB is closer to Halo than CoD.

atomic egret
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But to the point, the game is a mix of squad & battlefield

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in various mechanics it takes from both

young atlas
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We're not going to get anywhere with this conversation.

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Because regardless of what BB is, my wants remain unchanged.

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And so do yours.

atomic egret
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I am more confused

young atlas
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Let's just get back on topic.

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You want bandaging to be separate from self heal.

atomic egret
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But to the point nickname, it is a case of we had no bandage healing after launch

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Yep

young atlas
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Anything else?

atomic egret
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short summary is a dedicated healing slot + changes to the medkit

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you?

young atlas
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Nope, only the bandage re-work.

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Idk how to change medkit unless it's to buff it

atomic egret
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Way I see your idea going is, we get more combat "medics"

young atlas
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I think Med self heal is fine. I want to buff group heal.

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Healbotting is too slow.

atomic egret
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Personally I find the self heal a touch too powerful currently, I however don't mind team healing buffs at all

scarlet star
supple harness
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Communication is Key: "I hope you speak the same language and have voice enabled"

still anchor
still anchor
polar rapids
still anchor
polar rapids
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As in i dont think it should just be for sustain

still anchor
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Medic should be able to sustain themselves just like everyone, but they should be able to heal everyone else better than they can heal their self heal.

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Idk maybe giving medic the same self heal time as other classes but faster healing when healing other classes on top of giving everyone else some sort of self heal that is not as fast as current medic healing might push the class into a better team role and reduce the amount of selfish medics.

kindred oasis
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Everyone is selfish to some extent

still anchor
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But this would slow the game down so I'm not sure if it'd be a good solution

kindred oasis
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Making medics weaker so we have less medics will make revives even less common than they are now

still anchor
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But you'd decouple bandages from healing so people would be more inclined to revive

young atlas
still anchor
young atlas
still anchor
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Sure I get that but people won't push chokepoints without getting their health back

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so instead of moving they'll just ads a door or something

young atlas
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Ideally, you have medics in chokepoints, no?

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At least one dropped medkit that players can use for their heal.

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But for players without their team, this could be beneficial.

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You get more healing per bandage and can act out sooner if you're confident that you won't get shot.

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Or if you're willing to risk it.

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TTK is insanely low anyways.

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They could make the heal over-time 10 seconds or lower and it still wouldn't matter because of how quick you die in the game.

still anchor
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I'd rather get rid of bandage healing all together

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It's just a bandaid solution with bad implementation

young atlas
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I prefer it over no heal.

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I don't want to rely on another player for health.

still anchor
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I mean yea I'm not saying get rid of self heal

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It's funny they thought making people rely on another class for healing would work in a game like this

young atlas
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How would you implement self heal then?

still anchor
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I liked the dedicated self heal gadget idea, give it its own button and all

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make it capped and be renewable from supports and/or medics

hexed iris
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bleeding effect percent should be bullet dependent otherwise the bleeding with 80% of hp seems over-real... its possible IRL but is it required here?

still anchor
#

can you even bleed with 80% hp?

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don't you need to take 40hp damage to bleed?

atomic egret
supple harness
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What.

atomic egret
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In other words, at least on NA servers it seems to be VERY easy to find english speakers of those with it enabled but yea, guys with voice enabled is more up for debate depending on server lol

hexed iris
still anchor
atomic egret
hexed iris
#

in this game bleeding is a good idea but i think we spent 50% gametime to bandaging. guess it could be monetary politics where premium account gets a stimpack by default and bleeding auto stops in five seconds 😄
so what about critical bleeding and non-critical bleeding, that would be works like "bleeding means your hp is ZERO but randomly this effect save your life before next bullet", so you use bandage not to see how medical equipment work but as a game idea 🙂

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non-critical bleeding gives you hearth-beat effect and HP drain but stops in 5-10 seconds (could be bandaged too), critical bleeding needs to be bandaged and designed as life-saver

still anchor
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Bleeding is just a vestigial milsim element

atomic egret
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bleeding is a element to help encourage teamwork to my knowledge

hexed iris
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yes and i like it. soo many bleeding while gunfight never ends

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bleeding in tarkov is a milsim element. because you see 1 enemy per 10 minutes

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bleeding in battlebit is a hell element.

still anchor
#

Finally

still anchor
#

I've seen comprasions to csgo of all games

atomic egret
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That one is odd

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I can understand BF,squad & the like but CSGO?

still anchor
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I guess a lot of people haven't heard "comparing apples to oranges"

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Like BF and squad are the game's inspirations so comparison is warranted but csgo? tarkov? Facepalm_Battlebit

atomic egret
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CSGO I am unsure where to begin, it is in the same broad genre (AKA FPS)

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but that is about all

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Tarkov has some similarities with armor systems and such but yea still a odd comparison

slow lake
#

Plqnetside 2 seems like q decent game to compare to

atomic egret
#

make sense

mental verge
#

self healing still broken, you cant bandage yourself when someone low hp gets near you

atomic egret
mental verge
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no bleeding nor downed

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on some custom servers you dont bleed

atomic egret
#

I only know of the ability to bandage someone else when they are either bleeding or downed but not without those conditions being met

mental verge
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lemme tell you my gentleman, when a server has no option to bleed, you can be interrupted by someone low hp when they are supposed to be bleeding while healing yourself

atomic egret
#

interesting

mental verge
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at least not being interrupted while healing yourself should be a thing, its pretty annoying to be interrupted while you are self healing

atomic egret
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I have said this before & I shall say it again

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Bandage healing is a bandaid fix

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we need a dedicated self heal item (& Slot)

mental verge
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no bleeding icon

strange condor
#

Is anyone else having issues dropping bandages for others or receiving them? I try dropping them for others and they just disappear, same with when I try to get others to give them to me

crimson sun
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Add bandages onto the player model after they heal and aren't at 100%

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Visible body damage if not at 100.

bold night
#

There should be a separate button input for bandaging yourself and bandaging others. Either by having it like the medic box where you have to left click to bandage yourself or right click to bandage others, or by having it similar to the slow and quick reload button input scheme.

near barn
#

What if you could use a bandage on a downed enemy to choke them to death and force them to skip revive phase.

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Had this idea sitting outside. Not really useful but it's an idea.

kindred oasis
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Add garrotte wires for assault

random magnet
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Can we please make the bandaging action stick to what it is already doing and not change unless you let go of the button and press again?
I've had multiple times where i'm bleeding/heling myself and someone dies right next to me making the action swap instantly to revive from 0%. Then I need to either go away and start healing again or revive the guy and THEN start my healing from 0%

atomic egret
random magnet
atomic egret
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& add a dedicated heal slot & items

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It is also not dedicated

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it does 2 tasks in addition

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a dedicated heal item would be the medkit as a example

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All bandage healing has done is encourage greed over their use in my experience (note the revive counts per match compared to launch as a example)

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also Medics to my knowledge are currently the better class in most situtions & only engineer really rivals them

void cosmos
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Please make it so that when you are bandaging yourself it doesn't get canceled by someone dying close to you, have it finish your heal and then start healing the other person

scarlet star
void cosmos
scarlet star
atomic egret
crimson sun
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I think having a slot dedicated to self healing would be overly clunky tbh

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The priority should just be whatever action you were doing first. So if I was healing myself it'll continue to do that.

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You could have it so double tapping always self heals as well

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Kind of like the reload mechanic.

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Also can we get a toggle for bandaging pleeeeeease

gritty plume
#

Yes, for fuck's sake, please, stop letting self heal being interrupted. I can't heal myself in a crowded hallway or room because it keeps being interrupted. Also, a dedicated self heal slot is completely unnecessary; self healing should prioritize healing yourself over everything. If you really don't want that, can't there be a setting where you can prioritize yourself or not?

scarlet star
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On the topic of having a dedicated self-heal item: maybe make it a simple first aid kit (kinda similar to the medpacks that medics have), which're only able to heal you up to, I dunno... 50-60%? That way you'll be able to restore your health somewhat, but in order to get back to full health you need the help of a medic

atomic egret
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I am up for that

still anchor
#

I get that the idea of playing as a team and helping each other is cool but it simply does not happen frequently enough when your map/server size is as big as it is right now.

atomic egret
#

mix in community

scarlet star
atomic egret
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But scale wise ; that isn't a hard fact (Look at Planetside 2, bigger scale, bigger maps and you still see a good deal of teamwork such as medics healing & reviving, engineers providing ammo and so on)

scarlet star
scarlet star
atomic egret
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keep in mind I am and have been suggesting a dedicated healing slot item

scarlet star
atomic egret
#

k

still anchor
scarlet star
still anchor
still anchor
# scarlet star And do YOU have a suggestion to fix that then?

Drop the tone mate. I've been suggesting quite a bit. Like a dedicated healing item that is not infinite but still has quite a bit of healing so that people are not afraid to use their bandages for revives and you can make it so that the item is resupplied by supports or medics so that there's some team work.

#

Limiting self heal will just make people say "why should I bother playing this when I have medic" and over-nerfing medic would lead to people getting healed and revived less

scarlet star
still anchor
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and that's what I'm criticizing here

#

did you read what you wrote at all lmao

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and of course the manchild blocks me immediately BBClown

eternal fulcrum
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"dont agree with my idea i block you" type of guy

supple harness
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It can be a very aggressive class rather than a support class

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It's just in a weird position, you can't be aggressive and an effective medic so you're either one or the other

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I mean, bandaging sucks but I think it's due to how fundamental bleed is and how often it procs

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As in, every firefight

kindred oasis
#

support and recon are the only classes that arguably have downsides as a result of their specialisation

supple harness
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What's the base?

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Ok, what about "the classes advantages are too strong when compared to other classes", either way the result is the same

topaz lake
#

For now

supple harness
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Not any more

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It got weapon handling buffs

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The game would feel a lot nicer if every engagement didn't result in bleeding

kindred oasis
kindred oasis
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(they do that every time when you try to compare classes in this community, it's incredibly infuriating)

still anchor
supple harness
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the problem is if it's not shit for other classes then it's still better for medic? It's solved nothing.

still anchor
#

?

supple harness
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I'm not saying I think healing is in a good spot (bleeding is too frequent and too disruptive), but even if you fix all other classes Medic will still outmatch them in terms of heals.

still anchor
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Like if you don't make it feel awful for other classes people will actually use them

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it changes quite a bit

supple harness
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People will always edge towards the things with the highest overall advantage, even if it's only like 10% better or something.

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If you can do everything AND heal real well, the only thing that will force the hand is making them not able to do everything.

still anchor
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Yes that's true but just nerfing medic's options or effectiveness won't touch the feel of other classes

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We can do both

supple harness
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I agree, something needs to change to make every firefight not result in one person running off and bandaging a bleed. Also medic needs to lose some of its flexibility and offensive capability.

still anchor
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Yea

supple harness
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alternatives include but are not limited to: removing medics self-heal and making them bandage like everyone else

atomic egret
supple harness
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i get killed with the fal exactly never, I don't see it as a commonly used weapon

atomic egret
atomic egret
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but when it comes to the medic, it's passives are both to self & allies (bandage speed being the notable example), could seperate the team benefits from self benefits in that, nerf the medkit's self heal while buff it's team heal capabilities and so on

white ruin
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can we please get some priorty healing?

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I dont want to fucking revive my useless ass teamates when im at 41 hp

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Bandages should priotize healing yourself

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Thank you for coming to my ted talk

supple harness
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That's something a coward would say

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Revive your teammate

sinful pivot
# supple harness Revive your teammate

not if he dies 1s after i res him or better tells every enemy on the map where we are...
especially not when playing assault or even better, being stuck in a cuddle puddle's just infuriating

scarlet star
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Or, better yet, have separate use keys for bandaging self and bandaging teammates

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I don't wanna waste a bandage on a shitty self-heal when I can revive a medic instead who'll give me a full heal for free, PLUS I get bonus points for the revive

white ruin
scarlet star
balmy drift
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Hi, wanted to give my feedback on bandages and self healing. I mostly play on medic but with introduction of weekly challenges tried to play more on other classes.

I, personally, feel whole concept of bandaging and bleeding too slow and punishing for active gameplay, but I can understand its postives to the game aswell.

What I found extremely frustrating is the time to selfheal, as in current situation there is almost no way to get healed other then with a medic healing you or with bandage.

I suggest that we should get higher self-bandaging speed to all players, or at least a faster bleeding stopping, with slow bandaging with just healing purposes.

On support with his low speed and low bandage speed I have a feeling that Im not playing tha game but just walking and bandaging. Or camping with LMG.

crimson sun
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Two taps to prioritize healing yourself, just like reloading

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Boom, self healing issue solved

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Now just make bleeding better so whatever the guy said above me isn't a problem

supple harness
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What frustrated me more than the time is the necessity, you get bleeding so regularly that you cannot exist on <40hp.
No matter what you will get a bleed, then you have ~5 seconds to either rush out and die or hide somewhere and bandage for 6 seconds, I don't have the opportunity to weight up pausing and self-healing Vs pushing further and gaining more ground in the space I've just made from the firefight, my only option is to hide and bandage or die from bleed.

Cut bleed chance by 3/4, make it happen less often than not-bleeding.

crimson sun
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I'll have times where I die in like a second and others where I have all the time in the world because the screen is so red from bleeding I can't tell what my hp is at generally

supple harness
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Yea, the warning you get on 20hp is the same warning you get on 2hp

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Stopping the bleed on starting the bandaging, but being unable to cancel the animation, would be another option that I think would work better.

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But the rate of bleeding instances overall is far too high

crimson sun
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Secondary idea

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You bandage faster to fix bleeding, but you don't heal from it?

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That'd probably suck, but I've always found it strange you heal and fix bleed

white ruin
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Nah it's fine as id

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Just increase the base heal speed

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Like 1.25x for everything but medic

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And add some feedback on when we about to bleed out

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like an increasingly red tint to the screen

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3/4 chance is a good idea too

crimson sun
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I think the % chance to bleed would be better if it was lowered for sure

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Maybe it gets higher as your hp gets lower until you bleed. Then you can't bleed again for a bit or until you heal back up above 40

supple harness
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That's basically how it is now, since you bleed, heal above 40, get shot once, bleed again because you go below threshold, rinse and repeat (or die)

crimson sun
slow lake
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Yeah, it needs to be a chance to bleed, not a guarantee like it is now.

scarlet star
# slow lake Yeah, it needs to be a chance to bleed, not a guarantee like it is now.

I disagree. Bleeding should always happen 100% of the time when you drop below X health, but it should also take twice as long to kill you OR be somewhat faster to deal with, i.e. bandage. However I agree with what the other dude said that bandaging a bleed should NOT heal you. That's just dumb. At the very least it shouldn't heal you all the way up to 75. At most it should put you up to 50, especially since self-bandaging heals you but getting bandaged by others does not, meaning if someone else bandages you then you lose out on a whole lotta extra free healing, which's particularly stupid imo

crimson sun
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You also shouldn't re-bleed for at least like 15 seconds after patching up

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Just to prevent getting bleed repeatedly in a row because you're right on the threshold

tiny tapir
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Buff bandage speed on all classes to make it way closer to medic combat capability, that'll actually make some not played classes more played and will also give them more space in fight to actually provide ammo (if support), mark or shoot if recon, etc.
Obviously don't buff the bandage on medic, it's already very fast.

void cosmos
tiny tapir
fallow merlin
crimson sun
mild kite
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Assuming this goes here since bandaging but:
Perhaps make it prioritize reviving teamates instead of healing first?
Had multiple situations where it decided to bandage heal myself despite letting off of e and repressing it on top of a downed teamates to revive them

fallow merlin
crimson sun
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Didn't we just change this 💀

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That's annoying that the context action isn't smart enough

regal rampart
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Looks like its maybe been said but there should be a main priority to drag friendly players first. Also healing other teammates instead of yourself, just a main priority for you then your team,

kindred oasis
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I would much rather heal speed was brought down from medic rather than bringing everything else up… idk, the healing just feels too fast for the gameplay

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still anchor
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have you seen the movement?

kindred oasis
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Getting hit should hinder you for more than a second

still anchor
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The movement being fast implies the game's pace being fast

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Healing should be slower is working on the assumption that you want the game's pace to be a little slower

white ruin
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the default heal speed is so slow

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this isnt a milsim

atomic egret
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it be a mix n match so to speak

kindred oasis
kindred oasis
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How is that slow

white ruin
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because it is

ripe tartan
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I think there could be an alternative to 'ranger armor' that gives you more bandages instead of more ammo. So you focus on surviving for longer rather than getting more kills. It should give you 2-4 more than normal. It doesn't make much sense for medic to have it so I think assault and support class should have it. They can also both use ammo boxes which would combo perfectly with this

supple harness
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I'd just rather bleed chance was lowered

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I prefer healing for 40 as well, makes the game a bit more challenging.

Not because of the heal amount, but because topping yourself off required a 3rd bandage, so do you bother with that last 10 HP, or if you heal up to 80 with 1, do you use a second and waste the remainder

tiny tapir
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I'm fine with 40 too, just speed up the animation (not to medic speed), atm it's super slow compared to any other games less arcade than BBR

void cosmos
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I have to say, the faster bandaging and more hp at 50 is incredibly good for the pace of the game.

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No longer do I have to spend the next 10 seconds hiding in a corner waiting to heal myself up.

crimson sun
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I hate the new bandaging

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What is actually the point of bandaging with how it is currently

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And what is the point of bleeding

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Both mechanics, in their current state, are just anti fun at this point

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Why do I have to constantly hold a key to top off every time anything happens. Why is it so fast that it might as well just happen automatically

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At least when it was slower I felt like I was making a decision on when to heal and was engaged with it. I also felt the need to ask for meds from others, work with people, etc. Now I'm just annoyed because why wouldn't I immediately bandage constantly

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Like, medic has gotten a nerf not because everyone can bandage faster, but because self bandaging is faster than having a medic heal you, meaning it's better to have supports around for more bandages for everyone

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Something has GOT to be done about bandaging, bleeding, and self healing as a whole. I like slowing people down to heal or recover from fights so matches aren't just sprinting from place to place.

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Also, since everyone can now recover and revive way faster make group fights feel practically unwinnable. The second someone disappears from view they can top off. It's honestly like everyone is medic now, which has made the problem worse.

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Rant over, tldr please reevaluate self healing, bandaging, and bleeding as a whole. The way everything is currently balanced just isn't fun. It's just faster, not better.

atomic egret
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  1. since bandages now equal healing, they are trying to balance other classes up to medic
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and by extention it is reasonable to image bandage speed is just a number for all of these & thus fixing bleeding by extention, reviving both are tied to the same number

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thus
2. Bleeds point I would image is to cause a decision point after you get hit & get one

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said hit is either risk it for a bit or get cover & start the bandage which allows some breathing room for anyone against a solo flanker or such

rocky stump
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Like if a medic rezzed me, I'll wait for the medkit heal still.

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The only change I'd make is if you take two shots or a nade impact while bandaging it should cancel the animation.

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Reason is, I feel like we're gonna run into situations where players with good movement and key dexterity will heal in front of someone while being shot.

solemn phoenix
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They should have either made the healing faster or made it heal more, not both. Non-medic healing is OP

kindred oasis
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Or just slowed medic self heal

agile quiver
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It feels way to fast healing yourself/reviving as a non medic player now. it feels like the medic is now pointless

ebon lynx
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it honestly feels like its not just pointless, but almost detrimental to play as a Medic now. A medic can't self-heal with the bandages unless its from a bleed, so medics are often at a disadvantage from having to switch to the medic kit and having to endure the ticking heal of it.
Most of the time people will keep using bandages even as you're healing them, and it's very obvious that self-bandaging is much faster than the ticking medic heal now. I think things were fine before the current changes, it sat on that middle-ground where Medics still had a place, but maybe now it's better to play a support and supply bandages instead, on the off-chance someone actually runs out of them.

forest ivy
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it's in a weird spot for sure. could've been either faster speed for 40hp, or regular speed for 50hp. doing both faster bandages and giving 50hp makes it feel like at this point, just do arcade shooter style and give regen

crimson sun
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I feel justified in the slow trickle in of complaints

sage tapir
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Since one of the last updates, self-healing (after stopping bleeding) is now prioritized over reviving teammates when holding the 3 heal button. I'd rather have it back the other way round.

crimson sun
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No, please don't reverse it again 😭

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at worst, make it an option

sage tapir
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My reasoning is, I can walk away from a downed teammate to get self-healing, but I cannot not do self-heal now. An option would be good yes. Or maybe that's intended gameplay to give medics an edge for reviving and healing over other classes

shut ore
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Imo bleeding should be a lot more dangerous but a lot less frequent. Bandaging should be slowed down to match this. It just gets annoying and feels like I have to bandage to stop bleeding every time I get shot. Bleeding out isn't really an issue unless you're out of bandages or already low on health, feels kind of pointless when now everybody just bandages to self heal after every encounter anyway. I liked the way it was done in rising storm 2, you didnt always bleed when you got shot, but when you did you had to bandage right away or you would quickly bleed out, and the game made sure you knew that

young atlas
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Some ideas:
1.) What if the medics could heal themselves with the medkits but only if they throw it in the ground similar to how supports can only resupply themselves by throwing the ammo box on the ground? I feel like this could be a good compromise as it maintains the ability for medics to heal themselves while also giving the limited number of medkits a purpose. Medics would only be able to heal themselves if they stay near a previously thrown down medkit or still have personal medkits remaining. This may also incentivize medics to stay in groups as there would be more thrown medkits in groups as well as less potential for fast healing in flanks and similar solo situations.
2.) Splitting the medkit functions into a large medic bag and small medic pack, the difference being the large one would act as the aforementioned med pack (unlimited healing for teammates, healing for self when thrown down, possibly faster heal speed?) and the small one would be able to self-heal as usual but with slower healing, a health cap (around 60-80% hp) and maybe limited usage (like the medic pack is only able to heal a total amount of hp before its consumed). This could act as a separate compromise that maintains certain mechanics, but splits them off into different items so the choice to maintain those mechanics is up to the player. Aggressive combat medics who frequently veer off from groups could use the small medic pack to keep themselves alive at least for one or two extra engagements, while the more passive healing-focused medics can stay with groups and do large amounts of healing with the large medic bag. It may also be useful to remove bandages from the medic class inventory to avoid over healing with the small medpack.
3.) put the medkit in the same category as the bandages (for the medic class). Medics would have to choose between reviving teammates and healing them. perhaps give medics a seperate model for whichever they choose so other plays have visual feedback.

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I put these ideas in the Medkit feedback chat, but these ideas circled around the topic of self-healing so i figured it would be okay to put here as well. I hope that's alright 👉 👈