L86A1 - Feedback

[devout laurel]

Put your feedback on the L86A1.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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[dusty flicker]

this gun has some serious kick for a level 0 weapon, and doesn't really feel like a good "support" weapon. I'd rather have the mg36 be the starter, or in the future something like the RPK, with a recoil profile more in line with the AK and other starter weapons. Overall, it's an SMG in LSW clothing.

[ornate pivot]

Current Opinion : it is not bad, but could use some work as of right now,overall I say a decent spot

On the pros
Good overall stats when compared to the rest of support's selection (Best vehicle DPS,can be best TTK and fastest reload as some examples)

downsides is thing has issues with the fact it reload is still above average for a 30 round mag I image, and add the second highest recoil as of right now

Personally I would reduce the downsides on that drum mag if I was to buff it up (drum mag currently has SO MANY downsides and makes you go to a crawl and this is coming from someone who uses exo armor & swapped to a lighter set for the drum)

[sterile yew]

I love this gun. I like running support as a light assaulter class, not being burdened with heavy guns or armor. Its effective at any reasonable range, 10-150 meters due to the high full auto fire rate and the double tap fire modes. It has the 7th rank for dps and 23rd in recoil. This seems balanced to me. It also has above 31.25 damage per shot, stock, a very important figure to me. With the right grip and muzzle this is an easy weapon to use, in my opinion. (Gun fighter and tactical.)

[summer rune]

Please reduce the recoil on this, this weapon for a starter support weapon is kinda painful.

[vague sundial]

I find it a very good gun due to RoF. Some attachments can highly reduce reload time, so I find it a very good CQC/Medium range weapon for support.

But... Drum mag is the ultimate nerf for it, it makes your running speed 0.68 (depending on other attachments), basically slower than a heavier M249/Ultimax (which carry 100 rounds)

[rocky verge]

its really painful as the only starter lmg
i would like a recoil reduction in general and the slow movement speed of support really makes you not want to play the class untill you unlock the m249

maybe even bump first shot recoil down to like 0.75 to fill a weird neiche of a 'long' range single shot lmg/hybrid for support

[twin folio]

Just give it the bipod back. I hate this design because it's missing it's bipod, weapon is not bad. Just makes me angry to play it.

[west shard]

Makes me feel like I'm playing a worse AR. Slower reload, more recoil for marginally less damage drop off? Why would I? yet it's my most used gun since I played this for the first 20 ranks where I played support only. And here again: Yeah it CAN work if you just try to reduce recoil as much as possible but then you play with the M4 for a change and now the L86A1 just feels like a slower AR. IMO they need something more to distinguish them from the ARs.

[quartz phoenix]

Painful to start with, but turns into the LMG equivalent of an SMG with some upgrades.

Awkward first support gun though, this feels waaay more specialized and requires skill to get the most out of. I'd swap this and the M249

The slow reload is also stupid

[glass raft]

Recoil of this gun is something to behold, additionally with a 30 round mag often makes this gun worst than the other LSW and LMG alternatives. The only role I find this gun fills is after unlocking the Long Barrel, the gun becomes a CQC monster. But you still suffer from subpar handling from the LSWs, boasting worse ADS and movement speeds. This limits it CQC effectiveness. A good buff would be to give the default and quick mag 40 rounds instead of the current 30.

[ornate pivot]

Just thought, it could get a innate bipod (So gun just can deploy at any point,no matter the attachments)

[twin folio]

The gun always has the bipod IRL, it's not meant to be detachable

[tall dew]

Give this gun 5-10 extra bullets in the mag would be nice.

[crisp hearth]

Reload speed is too slow for a 30 round mag, recoil is too much. All support weapons are outclassed in every role. Fix bipod. Add more suppression mechanics.

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1120273018543951912

[ornate pivot]

So got to ask how the L86 is outclassed in everything

[ancient field]

I think people are exaggerating a bit about the general status of the weapon. It definitely has good stats but the recoil is what makes it feel terrible in most situations where it feels like it should be powerful. Then again I feel like this applies to every weapon in Support's arsenal, it's just more prominent for L86A1.

[slim kraken]

Agreed, both recoil and reload speed on th L86 are a bit overtuned, making it the less desirable pick. 32dmg is good since it crosses the 3btk with long and heavy barrels, but those make the recoil problem even worse

[ornate pivot]

with long barrel it swaps horz for vertical mainly, which is nice

[slim kraken]

I use it with long and urk for reload, it has 1.63 vert and 1.34 horz. That`s a bit much for a gun going at 775 rpm

[ancient field]

In the DMR thread someone suggested completely removing damage as an attribute that attachments can influence, so guns can be rebalanced around clear thresholds. I think then the suggestion for heavy and long barrels was to make them give a very high recoil reduction and velocity increase, respectively

[slim kraken]

That's nice, but currently the L86 and M110 are the ONLY guns that clear those thresholds... other guns maybe have less problems against exo armor.

[vague sundial]

ScorpionEVO has entered the chat

[glass raft]

FAMASS as well has a clear threshold into 4btk with LB and HB

[obsidian dagger]

This weapon is a crappier SMG...

[spice rivet]

I love the weapon, 1k kills with it
Would like to see mag size to go up like 5 (wont mind 10) bullets just to deferentiate it from ARs

[obsidian dagger]

Okay, how do you even use the weapon? seriously, the thing just feels awful to use.

[spice rivet]

Long barrel, urk grip, quick mag and red dot
Medium armor and helmet (might run empty for the ads speed)
Limit your engagements to 50m
Burst fire 5ish bullets outside of it

[glass raft]

Supports don't have access to Empty

[slim kraken]

long barrel is better in this case so horizontal recoil doesn't go crazy

[slim kraken]

long barrel, urk grip, quick mag. I like to use the 1.5x sights with a canted red dot that gets defaulted to on night maps. Full exo armor or exo hemlet with heavy armor. Play it like a bulkier SMG

with the long/heavy barrel it crosses the bullet to kill. It's TTK is goes to scorpion levels

[dusty flicker]

"SMG" gun seems better suited to a different weapon

It's just ok without long barrel but is also your only pick starting out

Something like the mg3 whenever added should take it's role

And L86 reworked

Generally not a fan of guns being reliant on a 200 kill attachment

See famas

[slim kraken]

famas got buffed to remedy that... Doubt that L86 will get anything being a starter gun

but the effectiveness of it with and without the 200kill attachiement is grotesque

[dusty flicker]

It could just be reworked to be better without it, but also not hit the 3 shot threshold

It's hella controversial to touch it tho

[slim kraken]

we still need more guns for support before thinking on what to change with it IMO

we got at least 4 new support guns in the pipe line, leaked by twitch skin drops

[dusty flicker]

True, but the moment a potential l86 replacement drops im gonna push for a rework to it

[spice rivet]

I literally wrote long barrel dude

[slim kraken]

I sware I read heavy...

[short pebble]

I would love to see this weapon buffed, just doesn't feel right- Doesn't take off until you reach the long barrel which is unlocked a 300 kills, and then it still feels a little jumpy due to the lack of (in my option) usable barrel options for it.
Love the SA80 weapons, would love to see an AR (or carbine) variant of it in the future (L85A2/L85A3)

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah... the fact so many cope on the "unlock barrel and it's good train" is just annoying. I'm notgoing to deal with a garbage gun for more than 100kills to make it mildly bearable to use.

[short pebble]

Feels like those situations where a game is really unenjoyable but people keep saying “trust me it gets good after “x” hours” which is how people are talking about Starfield rn 😅

[rain stirrup]

it should get the M110 treatment. give it 34 damage by default, and lower the firerate/raise the recoil by a little bit

[short pebble]

Yeah for sure! They've done a pretty good job on the other recent balance changes, surely support weapons are coming up soon 😄

[vague sundial]

Welp, they nerfed the TTK for this one, make it easier to use tho.

[ornate pivot]

Well

---------- L86A1 ----------
Damage reduced from 32 to 31
Vertical recoil reduced from 1.4 to 1.2
Horizontal recoil reduced from 1.4 to 1
Velocity increase from 600 to 650
Reload speed increased from 1 to 1.05

Mixed on these changes

so with long/heavy barrel it can no longer 2 tap unarmored heads

but equally it will be capable of going sub 1 in recoil (and it'll be easier to hit distanced targets due to the velocity boost as well with a additional 5% reload speed on top)

Kinda sad to see the L86 get this to be honest

[vagrant ocean]

it got the AK74 damage nerf treatment

[dusty flicker]

Heavy barrel must die for the newbs to live

[ornate pivot]

I simply desire when they add new support guns to add a replacement for the long barrel L86

[dusty flicker]

it's a common sentiment and I'm keeping it in mind

[ornate pivot]

Also long barrel

But to the point

I just desire at some point in the future they add a replacement

[dusty flicker]

definitely on the table

Aug Hbar maybe

even if it raisess the issue of not consistent with ingame aug, it's the closest I can think of

[ornate pivot]

To clarify

I mean a more recoil heavy but equally has a very nice TTK similar to the L86wLB

maybe MG3 could be that?

[dusty flicker]

MG3, Aug Hbar, can't think of any other high RPM "support" type weapons

[ornate pivot]

possibly the Stoner

could go crazy & grab the WW2 US Stinger for a laugh

but I assume any LMGs are immedately on the table

and any LSWs as well

[dusty flicker]

any modern ones

[ornate pivot]

Well going off the top of my head

the MG3-5

Possibly the stoner

RPD and RPK

M240b

[dusty flicker]

namely an LSW though if you want L86 HB back no?

but yer

[ornate pivot]

unsure why you keep saying HB

LB is flat out better & what most use if they use one of those two

[dusty flicker]

it sounds better

[ornate pivot]

PKP

PKM

[dusty flicker]

throw on some mag feds in there

[prime dust]

mg3 gonna be lit

[slim kraken]

5k kills with L86 mostly on LB… gonna take some time to readjust.

[thick arch]

Tried it out after nerf and from my view its honestly the exact same

[obsidian dagger]

So, only good after 300kills... yay

[dusty flicker]

Long barrel doesn't do anything anymore

I think he just means ttk

[obsidian dagger]

Sad...

[dusty flicker]

ok

[slim kraken]

Tried a recoil build and a supressor one… both kinda underwhelming to be honest. Might go back to urk grip and tactical…

Drum mag still useless

[ornate pivot]

still using long barrel here (mainly for the other boosts it offers)

but have tried similar to you Oleker

it works , doesn't give me the same feeling of having a support weapon that had some heavy recoil and a TTK to match it

[earnest spear]

Is urk and tactical the way to go now?

Cuz 2.7 reload and almost 1/1 recoil is pretty sweet

[dusty flicker]

Play it like a midrange rifle

Tactical and vert with no mag change

long reload but it'll beam through bulleets

[earnest spear]

Really no quick mag?

The recoil isnt that bad

Its 1/1 with urk tactical

[dusty flicker]

If you're aiming to outgun m4s on their territory the tiny bit of recoil is worth saving

And with the recent pistol changes you can pull out a USP if someone's pushing your reload

[thick arch]

It has a solid fire rate with good ranged performance but what really hinders it is that its as slow as a vietnam vet on a scooter at walmart and it has a pretty bad reload speed for only 30 rounds (and those 30 rounds don't last too long)

[dusty flicker]

Support is always gonna be the slow class with exo armor

Personally it's usable with normal armor since it's the same as ak15

But I'll bring it up

[thick arch]

True which is why the l86 won't be the top of the meta

[fickle mauve]

I think devs do this because l86 is default/first gun for support class, they said that they want default gun not too good or too bad, mediocre. With these changes imo l86 will excell at mid range, well bye bye close range l86

[thick arch]

Pretty well balanced gun ngl

I'd say the only lmg that isn't balanced is the mg36

I think it needs a slight buff

[ornate pivot]

it's RPM is 50 below average compared to similar weapons (600 RPM on MG36 vs the 650 of the groza,fal & so on to my knowledge)

[thick arch]

I meant give it better recoil by a slight bit

even with attachments,the mg36 has some muzzle climb

[ornate pivot]

call me nuts but I don't really feel the recoil on it too much

so never thought you were going to say that

[thick arch]

Idk maybe I just have skill issue but it definitely feels like the horizontal throws me off sometimes

[vague sundial]

Rules:

• No 'skill issue'

[ancient field]

Tried on Namak the other day, beautiful gun to spray people through pixel-wide gaps

[thick arch]

Mid range is best

[fickle mauve]

ikr sadly we only have 4xscope, i hope devs add 2x or 3x scope

[nova latch]

i think it needs a big mag by default, either 35 or 40. but other than that it's fine really. it's very serviceable for a weapon that's available by default

[thick arch]

Probably 40 due to it being an lsw

[ancient field]

Yeah I can get behind that

It's pretty silly that every other class can be better at taking on groups of enemies thanks to the P90

Support can take an LMG but those make you so slow it's a lot harder to flank people and then stay alive while unloading on them

[thick arch]

Thats the thing,the l86 would be insanely meta if its movement were better and its reload were fast

The gun is still good but it just won't hit that "meta" stage

and honestly thats a good thing

[ornate pivot]

Okay, got my curiousity, why?

[ancient field]

Right, the mag increase sounds like just the right amount of small buff without touching any of its key "disadvantages"

[thick arch]

Because having a 775 rpm beam that would have fast mobility and high mag size would be a recipe for disaster

[ornate pivot]

aye fair on the fast mobility

I just miss how it used to be with higher recoils

[thick arch]

True but you exchanged 3sk for a 4sk for better recoil

[ornate pivot]

Aye, which I am still not the biggest fan of, I understand the why (it is the starter gun on support) but still I wish we had a harder kicking gun that had better than average TTK

[mint wigeon]

Love this gun, feels amazing after the rework. May be a bit worse, but L86 is a lot more comfortable now.

Mentioned this in other threads, but I'd like to see walkspeed and extended mag ammo count buffs.

[terse bramble]

like the m60

[ornate pivot]

M60 would have a lower fire rate

and easier to manage recoil I image

[terse bramble]

eh, it would be like the scar high damage, 500-600 rpm

maybe we even get over 40 damage and 3 shot capability but high recoil and unwieldy with low firerate

[ornate pivot]

well 33.4 to 49.9 is the 3 tap zone

once you get above around 33.5 esh you can two tap to the head on LMGs & ARs

[mint wigeon]

Yeah that's what I was guessing M60 would be. Slow firerate, really high damage, difficult recoil, but amazing suppression.

[prime dust]

there's only one problem
we got no suppression...

[fickle mauve]

We have minimum suppression mechanics in this game. Last time i got suppressed is when 3 or more players fire at my direction. Maybe we will get better suppression mechanics when the hardcore mode release

[prime dust]

at this point i'm not even sure if it's a when more an if really

[mint wigeon]

I mean suppression as in shooting for a long time towards a certain area, not like the mechanic. There is no suppression mechanic, you're correct.

[prime dust]

yeah wasting bullets on an area is just useless, even shooting at a corner an enemy might peek doesn't do shit
i don't want it as extreme as squad but something to let lmgs and lsws work their role on the battlefield

[mint wigeon]

Fair point. Best idea I have is the BF5 suppression mechanic that would reveal targets for a brief time if you shot towards them. I really liked that mechanic, dunno if it would translate well to BBR though.

[crisp hearth]

These suggestions are all 🔥, we should get some kind of in-game reward for them, like a unique skin, which is just the normal skin but with a small badge that says "I helped!"

[prime dust]

that sounds fucking awful
my take would be slight aim punch, vignette, slight blur (around the edges), weapon sway like with a long range scope but not controllable, desaturation
this could also be applied to flashbangs making them not ass on both ends, only get shortly blinded by directly looking at it but get suppressed to hell and back if in radius
this ofc would be balanced by weapon classes(, firerate) and distance

[mint wigeon]

Much prefer that.

[prime dust]

i mean is it squads system, yeah
but would it fit for the milsim more and in a lite version for casual, fuck yeah

[terse bramble]

support has infinite bullets comrade, especially with the ultimax, the goal of suppression is to distract enemies, and personally even as a heavy support player I don't support suppresion mechanics

[prime dust]

suppression isn't a distraction
it's a tactic to keep the enemies heads down and if they don't they won't be able to easily return fire
supression should force a change in tactics, rn if i laser your spot a little you can just peek up and kill me without a problem
lmgs should be on the forefront of keeping the enemies in check, but they aren't cuz they're just worse ars with big mags
maybe not for casual mode but milsim will need it and casual mode should still have a lite version of it
and infinite bullets? idk if you have 300rnd belts or 300rnd drum mags for your lmgs but when sustaining fire you will run out of ammo

[terse bramble]

what if I have balls of steel and supression doesn't effect me

that isn't my lived experience to feel fear

personally I think supression is extremely cheesy as a tactic and regularly I would use it just to beat snipers in 1v1s in bf1

it was very overpowered

[thick arch]

Then your not human

[terse bramble]

mg15 was my favorite gun

[thick arch]

smg08/15 for me

[terse bramble]

ah yes, culturally highly refined as well

[terse bramble]

I also never said suppression is just a distraction because if you peek and I'm shooting your spot you're going to die, but the main goal of unloading a whole 100 rounds is distraction and suppression, for your teammates, me aiming where you're going to peek is suppression, we don't need an overpowered debuff to make that effective

in bf1 you were basically a walking god with an lmg

no one can convince me they weren't the best gun and also overpowered as hell

[ornate pivot]

and BF1's as well

[ornate pivot]

not infinite, just a good deal to my knowledge

[terse bramble]

more than you'll need

[ornate pivot]

It was the most effective way to deal with a sniper is support (and stay out of their OHK area) (Snipers had the strongest effects from suppression & were generally further away which suppression was increased by)

[prime dust]

you literally said "it's a distraction" it's not
it's a fucking nessecity to get supports role up the task...

[terse bramble]

it is a distraction, I didn't say it was only a distraction

[ornate pivot]

SMG 08/15 comes to mind

[terse bramble]

there is lethal force behind me spraying your corner

[ornate pivot]

you get close, suppression less effective & you kill me far faster than I do you

[terse bramble]

any medic or sniper can't touch you if you spray at them in bf1 with an lmg

[ornate pivot]

yea, the MGs were the best suppressors & the DMRs/Snipers were the two most effected weaponed by suppression

[prime dust]

but it doesn't do shit when you're behind it dude, just peek, you'll probaly win that fight without issues

[terse bramble]

if you want to repeat the weapon balance of bf1 go ahead, I'll win but you'll screw up most of the balance in the game

[terse bramble]

you will not win vs prefire vs your corner from an ultimax at 50 meters away

[ornate pivot]

(aims head level, enemy can just duck under it & do a peek ; Aims chest level, enemy can prone under it & peek slower, aims feet level, enemy can jump over it or just peek while leaning)

afew ways to throw it off & get more benefit from peeker's advantage

[terse bramble]

in this simulation you're a god and my preaim looking exactly at you is somehow unadjustable

[ornate pivot]

since they are not reacting, they are now forcing you to react

[prime dust]

depends on the weapon and srsly no problem with out dpsing that...

[terse bramble]

you're going to get hit first because they're prefiring

that's what supression is

[ornate pivot]

(grabs a M110, Okay I see support, I peck)

[terse bramble]

you miss because even though you think you're a god you're getting hit with full auto fire from an ultimax

[ornate pivot]

depends really , see what I said above?

if they dumb they will, but they have options to get first shot on you

because they have peeker's advantage, they get to go "I attack now in this place & order" mix in some lag and so on

[prime dust]

no it isn't
do you know what suppression is irl?
also "prefire" my ass i'll just peek after your burst and will catch you off guard

[ornate pivot]

You now are getting second hit at best and are on the back foot

[terse bramble]

ultimax doesn't burst, I hold down the trigger for 100 bullets, that what suppression is

[prime dust]

i don't want an op bs debuff i just want lmgs capable of what they should do

[terse bramble]

you aren't naruto in this scenario

[ornate pivot]

(Inserts the M110 just poking you from different angles & you die in two hits as the DMR peeks back in after his shot was taken)

[terse bramble]

you literally forgot what supression means within this convo

I'm shooting you where I know you're going to peak I"m not looking at a fucking mountain where you can peak multiple spots

[prime dust]

k then reload after those 100 bullets of f/a (bursts are much more effective for suppressing)
i'll just close the gap, nade whatever you are ded not big sooprize

[ornate pivot]

I am assuming Frugis subway

To clarify what I said since you forgot what I said

1. You prefire at a angle, I have options to bypass it & get a poke in

[terse bramble]

yea and you're delusional thinking you're m110 peaking through lmg sprays

[ornate pivot]

if you aim for head, I can crouch or prone & lean to do a fast peck

I am not saying peaking into it

but around it

that is the point

[terse bramble]

because lmgs only go for headshots right

[ornate pivot]

consider what else I said prior

#1138209059011559464 message read

I gave at least one option for each mole

[terse bramble]

yes in this scenario you're a god and the lmg player doesn't reposition or have any fortifications up when he's reloading

[ornate pivot]

You aim for feet, jump or standing/crouching lean & poke

[terse bramble]

yes I understand now, you can walk through bullets

[ornate pivot]

You aim for chest I got the two other stance options

Who said walk through?

I think you aren't understanding what I am saying

You are having to react mix with a delay due to lag

[terse bramble]

I have 20 teammates moving through the tunnel on you while you pretend you're going to anime peek me and 2 tap me, I'm supressing you for my team

[prime dust]

putting down 100rnds ain't realistic nor efficiant and is a quick way to end up dead
we need supression to keep people down and unable to easily return fire
it's bs that when pummeling someone they peek up 2s later and can just easily laser

[ornate pivot]

(insert a teammates walks infront of you to obstruct your view)

[terse bramble]

I'm still shooting your corner champ

[prime dust]

"your team" haha good one Dx

[ornate pivot]

(inserts a teammate decons one of your fortiftications to make a easier room to run)

[terse bramble]

yes most of the team is smg players rushing you

[ornate pivot]

either way through, since we are adding in more factors

RPG

you die, in one

[terse bramble]

I have the highground annikan

you think I'm not pro support

[ornate pivot]

smokes,flashes, C4 & so on

[terse bramble]

I don't allow such filth to touch me behind my forts

[ornate pivot]

I main support is how I know this stuff

[terse bramble]

forts block grenades, rockets can't do shit if you have highground

[ornate pivot]

True but frugis tunnels as a example

since you said no mountains

[terse bramble]

frugis tunnels are long

you can't throw a c4 20 meters

[ornate pivot]

depends on which we talk

a lot happens in those entry tunnels

but you simply displace one danger for opening a new one up

[prime dust]

i don't think you know what suppression is outside of games
it is required for milsim mode and a lite version should be applicable without flurmping balance, anyways bb you obviously want to suffer with your big gun

[ornate pivot]

but to sum it up

prefire is different to suppression

in this case you speak of defensive prefire more than anything it feels like

[terse bramble]

as an lmg player you shouldn't be moving in first anyways

I'll be in the back

[ornate pivot]

yea who said I was

I am the guy who makes forts often in Frugis

[terse bramble]

literally what supression is

[ornate pivot]

between the two points

[ornate pivot]

ingames suppression tends towards being a mechanic more often than not

[terse bramble]

supression mechanics are op as hell

especially in bf1 but it would still be so here, I could spray 10 bullets at the snipers and then everyone can push

[ornate pivot]

I would not say OP

it depends on the one in question really

and again Snipers were countered by suppression near directly & hard countered is a term that could be raised in that game

[terse bramble]

in an instadeath hardcore setting where chestshots from snipers are 1 shots then it isn't really that bad, but in core gameplay it's way too strong

[ornate pivot]

other weapons like SMGs were less effected

and pretty much uneffected if you were in CQC with the MG

[prime dust]

a bad implementation doesn't mean every game does it like that... and if you're in lmg range as a sniper there's smth wrong... read through my suppression proposal again, you'll see
range should be a balancing factor aswell yk

[terse bramble]

it would be op in battlebit, it was op in battlefield 1, in more hardcore shooters it's mostly fine

[ornate pivot]

where you both dealt around the same damage per bullet but you got faster fire rate

[ornate pivot]

it wasn't OP In BF1 through (at least in the version I played)

[terse bramble]

ultimax has unlimited range

[prime dust]

go on dude, snipe me at 500m

[terse bramble]

you could spray 4 bullets at a sniper nest and then run across a field

[prime dust]

[terse bramble]

ok

[ornate pivot]

So again you keep using the easiest example of something

Side note it only suppressed them for at most 5-10 seconds than (and it would lose strength heavily)

Try using a SMG or something else than a DMR/Sniper for this Suppression is OP

[terse bramble]

bro it was op, trust me, I abused it throuroughly

[prime dust]

you could, read my proposal and see how that wouldn't be how it works, ofc my proposal will never make it into the game but w/e

[ornate pivot]

I was a support as well, It wasn't (I main support in these types of games in general)

[terse bramble]

lmgs were the best guns in the game, and it wasn't even close

[ornate pivot]

SMG 08/15 could beat a LMG in a fight easily

No questions asked

[terse bramble]

at 2 meters maybe

[ornate pivot]

beyond that

[prime dust]

smg 08/15 is a hmg tho? it shouldn't even be in a soldiers hands xD that thing's mounted somewhere safe

[terse bramble]

it was good for rushing but lmg countered everything else, lmgs also hit very hard and had high fire rates as well

and all semi auto guns turned into pool noodles when you looked at them

[ornate pivot]

pretty sure LMGs like the SMGs did around 25 damage standard

[ornate pivot]

to use the sentries' it was sub 500 RPM I am pretty sure with around 23 damage at max

to use the LMG 08/18, it was around 600 RPM at a 4 tap

compared the SMG 08 at a 4 tap with more rpm

pretty sure the majority of the LMGs were 4 taps now that I think of it

similar to this game

[terse bramble]

and some of them had no recoil like ars, and 100 rounds, and the debuff so anyone looking at you can't shoot back, they beat smgs easily past 10 meters

[ornate pivot]

not really, suppression applying was based on how far away & the weapons in play (AKA snipers had the weakest resistance to suppression mixed with being further away)

mix in SMG 08 had 81 rounds in the mag

same damage ranges based on what I am finding too

[terse bramble]

smg08 was only good pointblank

[ornate pivot]

It wasn't when I played

[terse bramble]

lmgs were better past 10 meters

the vertical recoil on the smg08 was quite high, and it also got nerfed I believe at some point

lmgs basically were the assault rifle of bf1, medic rifles were like dmrs but they also lost to lmgs if you were 1v1ing them because suppression was so strong

so basically everywhere past 10 meters the lmg had full reign of the battlefield if you were looking at someone and not caught off guard

of course you couldn't kill the snipers across the map sometimes, although the mg15 had no recoil so it was possible, but you basically were very hard to kill

[ornate pivot]

not to my knowledge there

I ain't sure when you played but it wasn't when I played or after (To clarify I played after the game was done recieving patches & the like)

or which platform

[terse bramble]

lol pc, I had over 25 days on the game

rdm clan

[prime dust]

that's why i said balance thst shit with range, rof and so on, shouldn't be to intrusive either that'd be bad yes but just intrusive enough to keep someone down...

[terse bramble]

I don't have a problem with it being an option for community servers but I think it's a bit too strong if it was implemented like bf1 did it, you're basically untouchable in 1v1 gunfights with an lmg

if you're using cover correctly and with good fundamentals head to head you're going to ruin everyones aim and win

[prime dust]

THAT'S WHY I SAID BALANCED AND NOT LIKE BF1 IDK HOW YOU GOT TO BATTLEFUCK
sry for caps but wtf dude

[terse bramble]

it seems like that's the only way to do supression, lmgs just fuck up everyones aim

[ornate pivot]

I shall say this again

LMGs didn't dominate the game when I played

[thick arch]

Battlefuck 5

[ornate pivot]

SMG 08 did

[terse bramble]

then you were a casual

[thick arch]

Battlefuck 1

[terse bramble]

smg08 was good but lmgs were always better at most of the ranges in the game

[thick arch]

battlefuck 4

[ornate pivot]

I shall state this, I played it well, The SMG 08 would be the gun I would say dominated if I had to pick one

I wouldn't say I was the best

[terse bramble]

in under 5 meter engagements yes

[ornate pivot]

They had a similar Dropoff

[thick arch]

Battlefuck 2042

[terse bramble]

more like battlecuck 2042

[prime dust]

kind of ye but everyone should be able to it to some extent but obviously weapon class based
we just need a goddamn milsim mode already, the game suffers because we don't have it.

[ornate pivot]

Ya know I am now imaging a battlefield like game with chickens

[thick arch]

battlecuck 2042

[ornate pivot]

and hopefully oki doesn't make it not share progression with the rest of the game like he was thinking

[thick arch]

battlecock 5

Battlecock 1

battlecock 4

battlecock 2042

[prime dust]

i'm gonna loose it completely at that point, if i haven't done that already by then...

tldr: milsim mode, when?

[thick arch]

BattleBitch

[ornate pivot]

well Lucuma has when he ain't playing til the squad spawns get fixed

[prime dust]

understandable, might do the same if we don't get fixes for that + support, armor and general class balance... back to Turbo Overkill and Ultrakill ig, the communitys match my own mental faculties better anyway

[ornate pivot]

aye fair there

Got WF getting a new big update in 15 days here, SFO on TW WH3 & so on updates as well (either recently or will happen by around the 18th-20th)

[thick arch]

Battleshit

[prime dust]

Battletit

[thick arch]

Battledick

[ornate pivot]

Battle Byte?

[slow hill]

Is ok

[turbid vessel]

Started using this weapon for the challenge after avoiding it like the plague when I started playing. The recoil at first feels like too much, even tho the recoil numbers are relatively low in the weapon stats

Decided I didn't want to ads with it at all and used the laser sight and it's mean for close quarters. I liked it that way

[ornate pivot]

keep in mind the recoil stats also are effected by the fire rate (775 RPM)

[turbid vessel]

That might explain it. Anyways I eventually managed to somewhat tame the recoil for medium ranges. It's an alright gun but if I'm not hipfiring it with the laser sight I feel like I could be using any other auto gun and do better.

Guess this is just an assault riffle but for support since he only has 4 weapons to choose from vs everyone elses bajillion weapons.

Not sure why it's the first support weapon. When I think support I think big mag and shooting for prolonged periods of time

[ornate pivot]

to explain a touch of that

the L86 has a 30 round mag (standard for ARs) with better max damage range & a nice fire rate(775) at a 4 tap

but comparing it to say a M4A1 it has more horz recoil & a slower ADS which doesn't help

so the horz recoil may be what you are finding to be a issue with the fire rate not helping per say

recoil wise to clarify

[slim kraken]

the L86 is basically the SMG of the LGMs. Used to be borderline op, but got nerfed to an OK state

[turbid vessel]

oh? What made it OP before. I saw some changes and it got its recoils reduced but the damage decreased.. by 1

[ornate pivot]

LSGs ya mean?

[ornate pivot]

effectively the L86 had far higher recoil but competed with the scropion evo for TTK when you used long barrel

the LB made it able to two tap to the head & 3 tap the body on unarmored targets

So the changes made it less recoil,faster reload but reduced it's 32 damage (Which was enough to let LB get it above 33.4) to 31

[turbid vessel]

Is the long barrel still worth it with it? Ive not uses the attachment yet I just recently learned it increases damage

[ornate pivot]

to a degree

not as much as before

but the damage it yields is no longer the appeal

for reference the benefits you'll mainly be after with LB now is the velocity & horz recoil reduction, but I am pretty sure there are better sources on the barrels for those

(for reference of recoil, it started as a 1.4 1.4 and is now a 1.2 1.0 for vertical & horz recoil)

I would not say the L86 was broken terribly OP prior through (on support at least)

but it was effectively tied to the reputation it had with LB

won't lie through, I miss that version of the gun

hope we get a replacement at some point

[thick arch]

I still like the gun,I think its pretty balanced now

[slim kraken]

The 32dmg made 33.6 with long/ heavy barrels (long better for horizontal recoil). That made it 2-tap heads with no helmets. Either empty OR shot off helmets. That 2-tap as L86 fire rate was 80ms of ttk.

Currently long barrel helps with armor and bullets to kill consistency

I usually run it with normal armors since exo just slows you too much

[turbid vessel]

Any particular arnor?

[slim kraken]

Urk grip and long barrel

[spice rivet]

It has almost no recoil what r u on about
Not f2k level of no recoil but nothing to write home about
And I run urk long barrel plus quick mag

[turbid vessel]

Recoil's very bouncy to me

I went back to other weapons and they felt like lasers afterward. It's not uncontrollable but I wouldn't use the l86a1 outside midrange

maybe bounce is not the word. Shaky is more like it.

[ornate pivot]

so the horz recoil 9/10

[prime dust]

it definitely is, 32.55 dmg is still enough to allow for hs + 2 bodyshots = kill (31 doesn't do that)
and it's very effective against armor with that dmg output, if you get good with v-recoil use the lb, best choice on the gun imo

[slim kraken]

Also burst… don’t go full brrrt on people. 2~5 shots on is enough too kill most targets and helps a lot with recoil.

The 2-shot burst mode doesn’t has a buffer, like semi autos so don’t bother

[turbid vessel]

yeah later one while using the weapon I found out bursting makes it alright, but there's still alot of shaking while shooting it

Unlike most other guns I've felt.
I like using medium scopes on all my weapons , so I feel it even harder

[ornate pivot]

sadness

[turbid vessel]

Is there any benefit to burst modes?

I feel like I'd rather just go full auto mode, but burst in there

whenever I try l86 burst mode, the first shot hits and the second one goes high up

[ornate pivot]

to be honest, not really

it is generally full auto or semi

[turbid vessel]

Feel like they should make burst fire mode more viable not for just this gun but all guns

But uh not that it'd matter much on this weapon it has x1 first shot multiplier. I was thinking of the ultimax for some reason

[turbid vessel]

Sure not having this buffer doesn't help, but I did think it could be a more unique thing if it did something like a reduction on recoil until the last shot which has increased recoil

[ornate pivot]

if it helped, prior the double burst was decent if you felt confident in headshots (since two HS could kill a player)

[slim kraken]

man I love this gun XD

[turbid vessel]

powerful

[thick arch]

I think your just good

your lvl200

[fickle mauve]

Its finally here, oki revert back the damage from 31 back to 32

[sturdy pier]

Do u guys think you will generally run drum mags on l86 or stick to 30 round mags after the changes?

[slim kraken]

30 rounds... drum is garbage on anygun that has it

[fickle mauve]

Personally, imo l86 is good with 30 mags, but it is another beast with drum mags. 30 mags l86 is just like another rifle and you need to reload alot, but with drum it can mow down whole squad that running in to your position. Hell i got 5 kill without reloading with drum mags.

[viscid matrix]

The bipod placement on the gun is wrong... and it makes me not to want to use it...

[dusty flicker]

we could make the bipod a barrel attachment

that would do the job

[viscid matrix]

Not a bad option, i would still use it

[ornate pivot]

Bipod barrel & Bipod grip, Ultimate Bipod?

[sturdy pier]

50 mags good, but the recoil penalties are pretty substantial, and i had a hard time playing anytihng but a semi camping playstyle, or extremely slowly clearing buildings and angles. When i switched to 30 mag last night, i instantly went from like 10 and 10 to 30 and 17 or smth. Dont think ill touch LSW drum mags till they maybe change it

[viscid matrix]

If you put a bipod, it has almost no recoil

[sturdy pier]

Yeah but its sorta tough to always deploy it, altho granted they made it way better

[slim kraken]

does the barrel bipod comes with it's own bipod too?

[ornate pivot]

Yes & a C100 knife

[fickle mauve]

Larry aware of it, he says that there will be l86 remodel

[slim kraken]

Almost on 7k kills with it… seems like we L86 freaks will be eating well

[slim kraken]

good weakend... half-way to 8k

[slim kraken]

man I love this gun

[fickle mauve]

Dayum, you are really good with this gun

[fickle mauve]

Spill the attachment

[turbid vessel]

His secret...

[slim kraken]

Stability grip, long suppressor. Any rds. 3~5 round burst NO MATTER the circumstances

[turbid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/メモ-書く-記録-note-writing-gif-15782073

[fickle mauve]

Use flash hider, the recoil will drop under 1

Horizontal recoil that's

Im using drum mags, and the horizontal recoil only 0.78 IIRC

[slim kraken]

Yes, I also use that from time to time… but Lsupp nets me more results since people hear you way less

Drum mag is doodoo 💩

[fickle mauve]

Pretty fine for me since i usually holding lines, i can kill 3 to 5 enemies that push my position

[turbid vessel]

Always thought it to be weird when they make lmg/lsw only have 30 mags

Like black ops 1 starting you out with 2 really shitty lmg with 40 bullets(?) And a mega slow reload

Think all games with lmgs should just start you out with the most distinct weapons, including starting you out with a box or drum lmg

[slim kraken]

[hard solstice]

The mad lad right here