ScorpionEVO - Feedback

[zenith canyon]

Put your feedback on the ScorpionEVO.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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[frosty frigate]

why isn't this available for assault? like it wouldn't brake anything balance wise imo

[grim peak]

high recoil

vector has the same fire rate as scorpion and still has no recoil

[frosty frigate]

yeah but vector is kinda limited damage and range wise, which this thing, if it hits it hits

[thorn torrent]

Compared to other SMGs or P90 it's unusable past 10 meters

[dreamy lily]

Should be available for assault and needs a running speed buff imo. should be a pushing weapon but isn't great for it currently. other than that its perfect the recoil is being hard to control makes it feel alot more rewarding

[frosty frigate]

it's somewhat usable but not really, which is fine imo, it's a stronger damage dealer than vector but has less ammo, takes longer to reload, a true cqb weapon

[bright sphinx]

Can melt people within 10 meters, but after that recoil and magazine takes over and just shows it's true colors.

[frosty frigate]

yep, longest kill is 66m rn, some guy managed like 470-ish somehow but whatever imo it's balanced just assault needs it for some sweat cqb dominance apart from the p90, just 1 gun is kinda boring

[olive bone]

yo the vertical recoil for this gun is a JOKE

[frosty frigate]

kinda, but then also not, would be to powerfull otherwise

[candid lily]

gun is great, can i just get a drum mag tho

[spring oar]

agreed, AS val has 1.05 running speed so i feel like the scorpion should have it too

[steep plume]

Needs a decrease in damage and mag size

In exchange for quick mag and osprey barrel

[candid lily]

you wanna make it useless?

[tranquil orchid]

Evo is fine as is, good players and players who want to put in the recoil control will shred as they should when the gun kicks to the fucking stratosphere after 5 bullets

TL;DR put in the work and you have pre-patch vector's better brother.

[steep plume]

@feral copper Requesting draft of potential changes

decrease base damage from 26 > 25

[candid lily]

i just wanna know why we need to nerf the scorpion

[steep plume]

decrease headshot damage from 39 to 36-35?

[candid lily]

like what are these suggestions? what are you fixing? the gun being in the game?

[steep plume]

add option for osprey barrel

[tranquil orchid]

Just trying to get a feel for how the community views the gun

[steep plume]

add option for quick and or short mag (30 rounds or even 25 rounds)

[candid lily]

i know what the feedback threads are for. i wanna know what these suggestions this guy is coming up with are lmao

[tranquil orchid]

Oh lmao

[candid lily]

he just be in here sayin wild things

[steep plume]

As reference for time spent on the item

[tranquil orchid]

So what the hell 💀???

Also I agree with the mag choices but if they give us barrel options they gotta nerf the hell out of the damage

[steep plume]

Osprey barrel gives accuracy but doesn't touch recoil

[candid lily]

Guns unusable by 90% of the playerbase and you wanna make more difficult? I guess do you man

[steep plume]

Short Mag gives reduction in recoil but trades it for less rounds

[candid lily]

Idk when you’d ever take less rounds on it but again, do you

[thorn torrent]

How can you use this wtf?

Extremely high sens?

I don't have enough desk to pull down from the recoil

[steep plume]

400 dpis and 132 ingame

[boreal glen]

why doesn't the scorpion not have a barrel attachments?

[waxen oak]

How in the world are you using this gun lmaooo

I honestly thought this gun was basically a meme and no one really used it

[thorn torrent]

wtf it's even lower than mine, I use 800 dpi 100 ingame

[plush maple]

finally a feedback channel, barrel attachment and a base of 1.7 vert recoil would be sweet since its a very high level gun to be worth grinding for

though im lvl 156 I used it daily but the recoil oh lord

[viral fractal]

seeing as how fast this gun can kill i think any buffs to its recoil would completely and utterly make this gun to op

[plush maple]

so u wanna make this gun a meme?

[viral fractal]

I'm saying its fine as is rn it doesn't need less recoil

maybe a slight movement speed increases and add it to assault

that's it

[plush maple]

then it would remain a meme, imagine reaching level 150 and u were given a fckton of recoil

[viral fractal]

for the fastest ttk gun in game ya it should be 150

[plush maple]

fastest ttk in very close quarters yet vector has lower recoil?

[viral fractal]

vector has been nerfed some to be stuck to cqb this gun is already like that really fast ttk in cqb but out of that use a rifle and that's how it really should be

if you want it to have less recoil they should reduce the fire rate as well to make it balanced

or reduce its damage

[cursive roost]

I got about 2k kills on this gun, would like to see its movespeed increased 105, or given a few extra mags(like the sg has 2 extra), other than that it's in a good spot for what it does.

Wouldn't mind a quick mag, either.

Recoil should stay high Imo

[plush maple]

im fine with reduce fire rate, or any proper tradeoffs

[cursive roost]

Why would we do that? This gun is very unique should stay that way

[plush maple]

aight as u wish

gun is fun to use currently tbh

[cursive roost]

Ya, it really is. Hard but very rewarding. I think it's soft stats are lacking in some places otherwise it's great

[plush maple]

woud like to see barrel attachments instead

id like to rock it with supressor or so

[cursive roost]

Someone suggested osprey, which doesn't affect recoil. I think that'd be cool. Most important though is the movespeed Imo. It should be treated as smg or pdw, either 105 or 110 movespeed.

[viral fractal]

this gun is pretty much the embodiment of high risk high reward

while the vector was low risk high reward. I'd very much like to keep this gun from becoming that.

[tough hill]

Yeah genuinely I'd say its a pretty decent overall gun, mag options and barrel options would be nice, but I also dont think it should be nerfed to accomodate for those specifically. I wouldn't mind having its damage reduced to 25, but otherwise its a very well rounded high skill high reward cqb option

[frigid wind]

I understand the concept behind the stats of this weapon. Super high recoil, super high TTK, king of CQC. However, the current effective engagement range of this weapon (without verticle grip) limits this gun to about 15-20m at best. I would say allowing mag and barrel attachments to this gun is a good buff as it currently isn't as good as the other CQC weapons (Like the MP7, Groza, Vector)

[smoky flame]

i have yet to unlock this gun but from testing in the firing range i kinda like it

recoil is high but a non issue for me

feels like the evo in r6 aswell (which also has an absurd amount of vertical recoil)

[steep plume]

evo in r6 has horizontal

[smoky flame]

ah

man imagine my reaction when i first unlocked ela and tried the evo

[steep plume]

It was alright when you fired in bursts

Ela's Pistol was really good tho

[smoky flame]

i really liked the shotgun that she had

but back to the evo now

i wouldnt be opposed to adding some barrel attachments

[frosty basin]

Maybe faster base reload speed.

[frosty frigate]

nahh the reload's fine, it should just be an option for assault, running medic with it feels wrong

[tranquil orchid]

Eh, this weapon with a small ammo box sounds like a nightmare.

As a assault main since launch.

Nah bro keep that shit away from this class, especially now. 💀

[frosty frigate]

why tho? it just rips in cqc but nowhere else, the reload and mag's fine p90 cough and it requires some skill and experience, i really don't see why this isn't on assault, it's just a good gun like the p90, fal, m4 rly no reason not to have it

[tranquil orchid]

Because this thing can easily run lobbies and has the best TTK for close range. Mind you, it actually wins against pre-patch vector.

Give it the on demand ability to refuel all mags with a ranger vest and you have a disaster waiting to brew.

Atm until they can confidently put it in assault later on, right now it's not really a good idea.

Which sucks because I want it, but I know full well why It's not available atm.

[frosty frigate]

idk why you'd use the ammo kit of all things on assault but that aside, ofc this thing can "run lobbies" but so can the fal, p90, vector (yes still but not as crazy anymore) and some other weapons in good hands and this thing needs some really good hands to be handeled, that recoil really keeps it in check to only be used in like 10 to at most 30-ish meters on top of the damage fall off, ammo is kinda plentiful but i think you could lower that, like the sg550 has 2 extra mags if i'm not mistaking, smth like that idk i just want that thing on assault

[frigid wind]

Wins against pre-patch vector only against unarmored and certain armor types. Not in all cases, and I would say the better TTK comes at a hefty recoil/mag size/restricted mag option/barrel option trade off. So you aint getting anything for free.

[tranquil orchid]

Fair

[tranquil orchid]

I'm at the point where more often than not I'm running out of ammo during lives hence why I run it, plus there's nothing else in the slot competing

[frosty frigate]

hmm well i die a lot like 2-3 k/d in a match at max so kinda don't have that issue, but that wouldn't affect the scorpion in any tangable way imo as you already miss like 1/2 of your shots due to recoil and aiming at the moving target so that kinda reels the mag economy of that thing back in

[tranquil orchid]

Depends on how good your recoil control actually is or if you even have the space to do it. I've gotten it down at this point.

[frosty frigate]

same but only after fiddeling around with my sens xD

[tranquil orchid]

Plus I use high sens by default lol, so all I have to do Is use some fingers and arm and I'm practically level

[frosty frigate]

i have low sens so my vert sens is like 2.3x my hor sens

[fierce crest]

this is the worst gun in the game

reduce vertical recoil by -0.3 and 99% of players still wouldn't be able use it but it would at least be viable outside of point blank

i have 100 in game hours and died to ppl using every weapon except this

[frosty frigate]

nearly no one has this weapon rn

[fierce crest]

but ive died to ak5c, fal and other high level weapons many times

i think even the ppl who have it just dont use it

[plush maple]

what server are u playing on lol

[frosty frigate]

eu, sometimes us but yeah it is rare

[plush maple]

try japan u might experience it

Im using it currently very high risk high reward gun

[frosty frigate]

ik

i'm using it to, but not on assault for some reason

[fierce crest]

the worst part is grinding for vertical grip

[frosty frigate]

had to pump my sens up to max to deal with burk-ed recoil 💀

[tranquil orchid]

I use it when I'm feeling like a good old high kill tee-hee

[charred orchid]

This gun is a laser with vert grip and controlled bursts. I absolutely love it.

[frosty frigate]

but you have to get there first

imo only usable with that grip, even on max vert sens ing and 1100 vert dpi, absolute bonkers

[spring oar]

i think it'd be really nice if the scorpion had magazine attachments. it'd benefit greatly from a short or quick mag, maybe even an expanded mag if someone really wanted to spray with it

[frosty frigate]

no that'd make it op, the reload is fine, it just needs to be on assault imo

[spring oar]

it really wouldn't

even with magazine attachments it'd still be near unusable past 50m

[frosty frigate]

yeah but then it'd be worse then the vector in cqb, which that thing still fucks hard man

[charred orchid]

Double tap R, hold f on the mag you dropped, pick it back up before your reload animation finishes. 99% of the time that's what I do.

[ember latch]

ScorpionEVO is shooting so fast that the server reports packet loss due to the high rate of fire, some shots are not being counted.

[plush maple]

give this gun attachments and movement speed buff

[frosty frigate]

na man, it's good without any buffs, otherwise we'd have another vector to nerf, just needs to be on assault and it's gonna be plenty strong already without being broken imo

[frigid wind]

that seems like an internet issue. Considering this is the first time I've seen someone mention this and never saw this in the vector thread. (Both guns share the same fire rate)

[ember latch]

I don't think it's the Internet, I used other weapons in the same game and had no problems, the question is the server or the weapon itself that are not working together.

[frigid wind]

if you dont get the same issue with the vectors its probably not a fire rate issue then.

[frosty frigate]

i am experiencing the same problem, nailed a guy about 5-15 times, shot first yet still he outdamages me with an m4 huuhhhh

i was at full health, the hit reg is uhm not great tm

[dim shard]

genuinely unwieldly to use, recoil too high

[plush maple]

and movement is slow ngl

[fickle path]

I liked how dumb and sort of effective it is but why the hell no muzzle attachments?

[frosty frigate]

it's apperantly a carbine and carbines have short barrels so no barrel attatchments, which is kinda dumb since the game version is the smg variant

also, balance, probaly very likely, balance

[fickle path]

Must be balance since carabines can use muzzle attachments. Literally found muzzle brake for short evo in like 1 min (watch list intensifies)

[spring oar]

i think it's an oversight more than anything

the scorpion requires so much finesse in regards to tard wrangling the recoil that i doubt having barrel attachments would suddenly make it overpowered

[glad valley]

i crank up my vertical mouse sense just for this gun

[digital harbor]

this gun makes me do a backflip whenever i shoot

[peak blaze]

The amount of recoil makes this gun pretty much just a meme

[boreal glen]

high recoil lovers rejoice! this is the gun for you

[cursive roost]

unlocked it again, running it some more... my previous assesment of buffing it's movement speed to 105 or 110 stands.

This gun is so much fun but the movespeed is too slow for what it does and how it plays, especially since it basically requires a ranger vest due to its incredibly high fire rate. It burns through ammo

[indigo sable]

Absolutely, tried it once and even practiced in training and was like "nope" The recoil is just laughable compared to every other gun in game

[sudden wing]

Got V-Grip on it, it makes it somewhat usable, then you remember the bullet damage, damage fall-off, recoil, movement speed and other stats are WORSE than some SMG's (MP5, looking at you), and decide to stop using it.

It is very fun to use but then you get beamed by all other SMG's that have better overall stats. (except RPM)

[cursive roost]

Scorp beats every single other gun in the game as far as TTK goes, except 1hkos with snipers/deagle.

It's probably the best SMG counter in the game

[sudden wing]

As far as TTK yes, handling it to prove that theory is just another thing (I laughed the first time I went full auto on it without attempting to control the recoil, my back almost snapped in real life :P). It became little less difficult to handle with v-grip tho.

Just hoping it gets slight improve in recoil and damage reduction over distance.

[frosty frigate]

as far as i know the fal and groza are tied for best ttk?

[cursive roost]

Nope. The only time scorp isn't #1 is against light armor, then its 0.2 vs 0.18 FAL.

Every other combo scorp is better

If you assume x amount of headshots, some other guns pull ahead vs certain armor combos, but if you're assuming that then M200 is obv best gun in the game with TTK of 0

[frosty frigate]

with a 4 shot kill at 20rps you get 1/5 of a second wich i 0.2s, the fal is faster, with lb even against a couple of armor levels in so like huh?

[cursive roost]

subtract 1, you start the calculation from the time the first bullet impacts.

So for scorp it's hit(timer starts), TTK is the time for the next 3 bullets to after that, 0.15 vs flesh.

[frosty frigate]

i don't think that's how ttk is calculated xD

[cursive roost]

Of course it is. Otherwise, please calculate the TTK of the M200 headshot for me real quick. What number do you get?

[frosty frigate]

who needs sniper rifle ttks i haven't seen anyone do ttk calculations like you do and i'm pretty sure there's a reason people do it like that and not in your cursed way

[cursive roost]

The way I'm telling you is literally how TTK is calculated in every single game.

If your way was correct, it would result in 0 for sniper rifle headshot TTKs. But it doesn't, does it?

[frosty frigate]

w/e anytime i saw someone calculating ttk for the weapons they always did it like that and it should be logical that your sniper doesn't have a 0s ttk

[cursive roost]

Sniper does have an instant TTK, that's the entire point. Headshot = instant death. You won't find any reputable TTK calculation that does it differently than I do; I got the values from the public TTK sheet in the first place. You can look it up cus I can't post links in this chat, I'm pretty sure there's even a command for it

[frosty frigate]

interesting, i personally like to aproach ttk from my pov as the attacker and a sniper - even the m200 - just isn't instant

anyways kinda weird never saw anyone do it like that, i just know it kills very fast, just like the fal or groza, that's it

[cursive roost]

It is. The literal millisecond the bullet impacts, your target is dead. Same frame. Instant. No re-dos.

Otherwise, your calculation would conclude that the M200's TTK is 800 ms on a headshot, which is it's bolt speed(aka fire rate). Other snipers have a bolt speed of 1s, would you say it's correct that an SSG has a 1s TTK against a no helmet player when it headshots?

[frosty frigate]

i think you're just trying to argue with someone and i don't really care, i try to use that stuff as a practical value, velocity is also an impact and a sniper is a special case due to the one shot shenanigans honestly idc for your shit and how you approach it, i just wanna know what theoretically kills the fastet

[cursive roost]

And that's the Evo in most cases, excluding 1hkos.

But yea you can google the TTK sheet yourself, you don't have to take my word for it. I'm explaining it to you, but it's not "my method"

not sure why you thought it was an argument when I was just explaining basic TTK calculation to you. There was no argument.

[frosty frigate]

then try and explain it to people without being a dick about it, i personally just keep the first bullet in because people wouldn't really notice anyway on the receiving and it accounts for mistakes and lag somewhat

[cursive roost]

I wasn't being a dick at all? Like what? I was being extremely patient and literally giving you easy and simple examples, how was I being a dick?

I literally just answered your questions and explained my reasoning then gave examples to reinforce why TTK is calculated in that way.

[frosty frigate]

it comes of very passive aggressive, get over it that someone on the internet isn't really used to your tone and reacts negatively to that, aren't you like, an adult? w/e doesn't matter i'm just gonna use whatever numbers i find online

[cursive roost]

Wow. Good job on throwing a tantrum cus you were wrong.

[frosty frigate]

it seems you're actually pissed by that, clown on me all you want i don't care i was just confused why the fal kills slower than the scorp, when everywhere else i found the opposite was true atleast from what i know, by your logic unarmored fal would still be faster though, like 200ms to 184ms minus the first bullet, like see where that's weird, the only one throwing a temper tantrum here's you, verry apperant from those cutesy emojis

[sudden wing]

...They should probably try to find a way to restrict these feedback threads for just 1 message per user

[frigid wind]

its because the first bullet out of any gun is instantaneous it takes zero time for the first bullet to be fired, hence why you do a -1 on the shots to kill. Walk's initial explaination is similar but said in a slightly different way. But that is why you do a subtract by one for the number of shots required and arrive at a raw TTK of 0.15 for the scorpion on unarmored targets.

[frosty frigate]

thx man, looked into it further but i had conflicting information that's why i went with what was the most logical/usefull to me, just takes a nicely worded, easy to follow, non rude, little text sometimes ( @cursive roost you where right, could've had it easier)

[blissful hatch]

the worse end game weapon i have ever used in any fps

[frosty frigate]

bring this gun to assault pls

[half temple]

I think ScorpionEvo needs a buff. This is a very incomprehensible weapon, I understand the developers, he wanted it to be a monster at close range, but at close range even a conditional p90 or vector is often better, because they have a larger magazine and a faster reloading speed, as well as an improvement in the barrel, which gives more advantages. In my opinion, it is necessary either to reduce the vertical recoil so that the scorpion evo represents at least something at an middle distance, or to add a quick magazine(or buff base relaod speed) and barrel attachments like osprey-9

[frosty frigate]

bring to assault pls

[kind pagoda]

gun is fine if it’s buffed at all anywhere we will have a vector problem that’s 10x worse

[frosty frigate]

yet it still has to come to assault

[indigo sable]

Ok yeah this gun feels pretty good, yeah just wish it was on assault

[vague solstice]

I understand when someone likes a weapon, I myself love the ScorpionEvo in Bf4, R6, and shooting it in real life. But as it stands in the game right now, it's just unenjoyable and unreliable. I understand the idea of a high time-to-kill in exchange for high recoil, but why give it on top of extreme recoil also a slow reload time and relatively slow running speed? So, for the weapon to be a bit more fun, it needs some kind of buff, either less recoil but that would not be perfect or a buff to reload time and running speed, like reload: 2.7 and running speed: 110, maybe even 115. For reference, I am level 180 and had 600 kills with the ScorpionEvo before I was too annoyed by all the bad qualities, and I continue playing with other weapons like the Vector, P90, MP7, or PP2000 in CQB.

and bring to assault

[frosty frigate]

pls let me use this thing on assault

[plush maple]

I'd rather have lower recoil

as the guy above said irl recoil should be as close

[frosty frigate]

we already have the val and i'd say all pdws are meta to some extent, this gun isn't really that meta due to the recoil so why isn't it on assault, not like we already have a fast, self sustaining class with all the weapons you need for assaulting, pls just give assault the scorpion it wouldn't make the class nor the weapon op just why

[modern sundial]

it would be nice be get barrel attachments for the scorpion

[steep plume]

@feral copper It would be pretty nice

[frosty frigate]

i just want it on assault why do i have to play assault with healing or assault with boom to do so D:

[north bane]

Bring it to assault
Buff ms, gotta get close

[frosty frigate]

well atleast we now know it's intended that we can't use it on assault, but not why tho

[plush maple]

just decrease the recoil and life would be dream

[indigo sable]

It would need to be nerfed for that imo. The whole thing with the gun is the fire rate is out of this world, I Believe it has the lowest TTK, lowering the recoil would easily make it the gun everyone uses. There would need to be offsets to prevent it from being op

[tranquil orchid]

Yeah nah, we don't need assault players running evo with ammo refills and ranger armor

[hasty orchid]

YES, lets have a gun with 4.0 vertical recoil

[cursive roost]

no, recoil stays. That's the entire point of the scorpion.

If needs buff, movespeed to 105 or 110 would be best

[wide willow]

scorpion buff

(imo the most important buff/QOL)
running speed buffed to 110-115
added to assault (not really a buff)

(not that importnat)
quick mag.

scorpion buff (just my wishfull thinking)
reduce vertical recoil by 0.05-0.10 (to increase consistency at range) or reduce horizontal, which seems to be a more interesting way to make it more consistent at range.

[kind pagoda]

give it extended mag >:)

[frosty frigate]

oki said assault doesn't have it because he wants it that way, gl arguing for him to add it

[plush maple]

what a meme gun

[wide willow]

well his way is stupid.

[rich cedar]

give it the barrel attachments, no need to adjust any other stats

[frosty frigate]

oh god no

[valid wind]

Reduce firerate to 1100 and dame to 24. Add barrel attachments.

[frosty frigate]

nahhh bro, make the gun even worse when starting out fresh and turn it into a worse vector
wtf just such a dumb idea

the whole point of this gun is op ttk with fucked amounts of recoil to balance that shit

[wide willow]

nah man what are these wrong opinions, scorpion just needs 3 things and it will be 100% balanced. 1. running speed increased, 2. quick mag, 3 added to assault, thats all that is needed.

[steep plume]

@feral copper I'll pull a Starmank

Whatever it takes to unlock those 2 attachement slots

[feral copper]

Maybe if StarMANK gets unbanned i'll consider it

[steep plume]

[frosty frigate]

the charging handel is bugged and point fire (tilted gun position) feels of, especially when shooting

[north bane]

played as medic on lonovo with evo clearing buildings
so many times wished I was assault with a grapple...

[frosty frigate]

literally just wanna play assault with funny recoil brrrrr deng gun
"intended" is not a reason oki

[tranquil orchid]

You want assault players to send entire lobbies to hell

[valid wind]

ScorpionEVO is SMG, not AR.

[tranquil orchid]

All lobbies will be is people running teams down with ranger armor which gives like 9 mags extra and a small ammo kit.

Nah keep it where it's at lol

[frosty frigate]

you want medic players running down entire lobby?

[frosty frigate]

it's a carbine (for some reason) and assault already got the as val, no reason to not have it

if there's one class that should run lobbys it's assault, it's literally in the name
and pls don't pretend that such a hyper aggressive gun should be on medic, a support class
if i was cynical i'd say "medic only gets pistols" but that's not how it should be
anyways no reason for assault to not have the only other carbine in the game

[tranquil orchid]

You're aware this thing beat the pre-nerf vector in pure TTK right?

Also Medics have to find ammo for it if they do decide to run it, whereas assault can just refill back to near full mags themselves

[frosty frigate]

you get ammo easily, even as a combat medic

[frosty frigate]

and you realise this thing has nearly triple, if grinded for double the recoil

but w/e it's pointless to argue because oki seems to like medic more anyways so assault will always suck in comparision
"it's intended" yeah thx "intended" ain't a reason smh

[valid wind]

Engineer can use this gun

[frosty frigate]

and?

[frosty frigate]

In that case it's literally a worse medic and assault

[valid wind]

Remove the gun, the gun is useless anyway.

[frosty frigate]

bro what 🤣

because you can't use it no one can or what

[plush maple]

best solution so far I've read here

[wide willow]

bots💀

[frosty frigate]

💀 most stupid solution ever

fix bipod and bring scorpion to assault.

[north bane]

And buff ms

[frosty frigate]

idk 'bout that one chief it could make it to crazy but on the flipside the reload is pretty mediocre so idk but scorpion def has no business not being on assault, we already got the other carbine so unless there are more carbines in the pipeline assault's supposed to recieve having a 1 gun weapon class on assault that is a 2 gun class on other classes is more than questionable and unsatisfying

[north bane]

Its a cqc weapon with ms of an ar
To win those close up engagementa gotta get into those engagements

[frosty frigate]

idk i think it's balanced and feels good to use, 1443 kills in at this point (i use a lot of other weapons because variety 'n shit)

[plush maple]

no its the best

[north bane]

I have around 650
Looking more for qol changes, ms is amongst those as well as assault

[vapid fractal]

ever since the recent armor update i feel like the ttk with it got so much worse, even the ump is better 😭

[frosty frigate]

what armor update? this gun shreds my guy

[north bane]

Evo has best ttk closely followed by fal with long barrel
Ump is same as fal on flesh but falls way worse against armor and over distance
There were no armor changes in past 3 month that Ive been playing this game, you ok?

[steep plume]

Should just shut this thread down

balance team's crack pipe is hot to the fucking touch

[drowsy lodge]

funnest gun in the game pls no change

literally made me enjoy the game again, the recoil and the ttk spark joy

[frosty frigate]

pls gib assault

[last oasis]

please add attachment

no barrel no mag attachment=cringe

[drowsy lodge]

with its ttk i dont really mind the lack of barrel

let it be niche, otherwise we're gonna go back to vector whining days

[frosty frigate]

150ms, best case 100ms

200ms against l armor and then so on but a little leg munching or just knawing through the armor works great

[last oasis]

Bro even the p90 has mag attachments

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK

it’s a p90

[last oasis]

The scorpion has actual real attachments like a drum mag

And barrel attachments

Like irl

[frosty frigate]

barrel mods would make it busted and then oki pulls out his nerf hammer which you don't want
have fun with that 3.0v-recoil, 1.2h-recoil 0.8 ms, 0.3s ads time and the 4.7s reload time on that drum mag tho

[drowsy lodge]

im ngl once more people get to 150 cause of the xp weekend and xp challenges update and they start unlocking vertical barrel i feel we're gonna get a lot of people calling for evo nerfs

already got some people raging at me using it and i dont even have vert grip yet. im not even a good player either

i wouldnt mind a quick mag or a move speed buff but at the same time id be very careful with touching the recoil

also in general i understand gun realism in games but it shouldnt ever go before balance

[frosty frigate]

this ^
ye evo's good where it is rn, quick mag and ms buff would be nice
tho i'd like to have it on assault
which probaly won't happen because oki things...

[drowsy lodge]

i can understand why, if the reason it has no mag attachments is concerns over having a fast reload on it being oppressive then makes since for it to not be on assault lmao

ive been making do with empty helmet on medic

i really only miss the fast ads

[frosty frigate]

that wouldn't even be that big of an issue imo 3.4s goes down to 2.55s which in theory sounds terrifying but take into consideration how much more uptime medic has/how much quicker it gets into the fight regardless of its gun
with medic you have a "slow" burning danger coming your way that is essentially unstoppable meanwhile assault is more of a fire cracker if that makes sense
also c'mon a support class gets all the assault toys meanwhile the fucking assault gets only some and even then only half of a gun category, which only has 2 guns in it
smfh

[north bane]

Ppl are gonna bitch no matter what
Had some die with smth like "ofcourse he has a p90", some were still from 2 month ago and complaining about vector
Should be ignored
Anyways, ms buff and bring to assault, dont touch recoil its part of the fun

[drowsy lodge]

thats the thing they should be ignored but they probs wont

[last oasis]

I was so right the admins had it nerf me

[past wave]

they really, really wouldn't though

tactical is only like what, -10% vertical recoil? even with that + vertical grip, you'd still have close to 2 vertical recoil and 1200 rpm

certainly more usable, but far from preferable for mid to long range engagements

scorpion is really fun but it's sorely lacking in customization. it really needs mag and barrel attachments, as well as maybe a small speed boost, like 1.05 by default

[plush maple]

just increase the movement speed, thats all. This gun is already hard to wield for mid range anyway.

[past wave]

yeah, it really needs to be able to close the gap

[wide willow]

bro all the scorpion needs are 3 things, 1, quick mag, 2. running speed increased to 115, 3. added to assault.

[past wave]

1.15 movespeed would be fucking insane

pretty sure no SMG goes higher than 1.10

but yes, pls add to assault

[frosty frigate]

already has 2.1 with the grip
you'd end up with smth like 1.85
def a difference

[north bane]

Supressors are the only barrel attachments needed

[frosty frigate]

evo with osprey looking 🤌

~~that's gonna get me acting unwisely ~~

[plush maple]

it would be wise for admins to create polls to weigh out necessary changes for this gun

[frosty frigate]

what would you like to change about it?
it's in a pretty good state, what's your gripe with it?

[plush maple]

just an option for the majority to vote, unified way of accepting feedback

[frosty frigate]

and why for this gun in particular?

[plush maple]

ngl this gun ain't getting any shit neither so nah

[plush maple]

and why do u think this feedback thread exist

else people wouldn't be posting here

[frosty frigate]

well for feedback?

[plush maple]

well its just a suggestion, don't be gritty on it

[frosty frigate]

idk the way you wrote it suggested it has to be changed somehow because you don't seem to like it

[plush maple]

I never mentioned I disliked the gun

[frosty frigate]

just had the vibe of that if not then not ig

[safe oasis]

I think polls are a mistake because the opinion of the people in the discord is very skewed from how the playerbase as a whole actually feels.

[plush maple]

it helps though

more census much better

I'm not suggesting its the way of accepting final changes

just another top up to the system

[frosty frigate]

idk this dc already seems like a lot to keep track of
not to mention the game itself

[safe oasis]

to some extent, sure. But I'm still cautious because it often seems that the majority of players in the discord have opinions that are basically the opposite of the larger playerbase. Which makes sense, as those more active in the discord are more likely to be less casual players.

[plush maple]

nonetheless gun is doing fine its just rarely used

based from experience, 350 plus hrs of playing

[north bane]

high level unlock plus high skill req (so hard to pull down xd)

[frosty frigate]

not really "hard to pull down" more like "difficult to properly aim while having to pull down that fricking hard"

[steep plume]

It shares the same issue that everything else in the game suffers from

everything has to be a gimmick

[north bane]

See nothing wrong with a gun standing out and requiring a special approach
And the more of such guns the better

[frosty frigate]

new hitreg makes this gun actually viable now (:
i love it

[north bane]

I got 1.5k kills with it, the gun is fun to use but considering similar options with fast ttk fal just beats it
With long barrel ttks are practically the same with fal not caring about armor until heavy and exo
Same ms, easier control, better range, 2 shot headshot, waaay faster reload by default plus can be buffed by assault handling
By the numbers no reason to pick evo over fal, only the fun factor is the saving grace
Buffs?

Pls dont nerf fal 😂

[frosty frigate]

a little under 2.2k 🤣
ms buff + assault is a must imo, would be neat to have the osprey on it aswell tho

[north bane]

🙏

[kind pagoda]

i dont think theyre gonna nerf fal, it doesn't see enough usage and it's just unbearable to use for the large majority of the playerbase.

Theoretically both this gun and fal are insanely strong but the mag size and recoil are holding both of them back, can be mitigated with either skill issue or attachments (for fal) but most people are not capable of it so you're not gonna hear many complaints either.

[mystic schooner]

I very much enjoy this gun for the recoil mixed with TTK

[last oasis]

Add attachments for the scorpion

[mystic schooner]

I presume barrel attachments?

[frosty frigate]

is it concerning to not use the vertical grip, while having it unlocked?

[wide willow]

yes, ur basically limiting the range u can fight at.

[north bane]

Nah, its controllable enough with the urk
Reload speed is atrocious for a cqc gun

[last oasis]

Add attachments

[last oasis]

Add attachments

[lavish oyster]

Recoil too much, no?

[wide willow]

add quick mag, buff running speed, add to assault.

[viral fractal]

yes, no, yes

[frosty frigate]

running speed is a must ffs

[viral fractal]

na you can move plenty fast with it already i don't really see a speed buff being needed

[north bane]

Yes yes yes
No other way around it

[frosty frigate]

1.00 for a cqc weapon is ass.

[lavish oyster]

am i seriously the only person who thinks this thing has way too much vertical recoil?

[tranquil orchid]

It's the filter, if you can deal with it you've basically unlocked the best SMG in the game

[past wave]

^

[last oasis]

Add attachments

[frosty frigate]

we have been heard

[vital tapir]

sad they planning in removing scorpionevo from engineer

had rpg for long range and scorpion for close - med range

[last oasis]

Wdym

[frosty frigate]

scoop on assault 🥹

[last oasis]

Attachments?

[frosty frigate]

who needs those 🤷

[last oasis]

Me

[wide willow]

add quick mag, buff running speed, add to assault.

[frosty frigate]

reload's down to barely 2s on assault 💀

[north bane]

2.35 with urk on assault
not bad

now that it's classified as smg no reason for it to be the only one in category with 1.00 ms

[north bane]

1.10 would fit it perfectly 😉

[wide willow]

1.10 nah 1.15 minimum

1.25 max

[wide willow]

FASTER

[frosty frigate]

1.1 is max movement speed multiplier, 1.05 is good enough - it'll be a menace on assault anyways and we know how bad okis nerfs for op guns are 💀

[wide willow]

yeah 1.15-1.25 might be a tad too much.

[north bane]

You never know until you try it

[last oasis]

I’m boycotting till they add attachments

Not actually but please add them

[frosty frigate]

oki's already scared of assault scoop

[last oasis]

We were not heard

[frosty frigate]

it is so cool on assault

i'm happy

[wide willow]

still need that running speed buff and quick mag

[vital tapir]

sad it was taken off engineer

[last oasis]

Add attachments

[merry cloud]

With how difficult it is to get kills with this weapon might it be a good idea to reduce the kills required for attachements? similar to the PP2000

[vital tapir]

the hardest part is the very beginning, using iron sight

once you get the first sight it gets easier and by time you get to vertical grip unlock you can pretty much use the gun as if you had vertical grip

[merry cloud]

in 140 kills lmao no thanks

i can feel my arm getting sore from trying to control the vertical recoil

[frosty frigate]

*1.5k

[last oasis]

Add attachments

[wide willow]

add quick mag, buff running speed, add to assault.

[round cairn]

add to engi

let us have a quick mag (please don't this gun is way to good without it)

[last oasis]

Add attachments

[lone crest]

Why support can not use Scorpio ?

[tranquil orchid]

Support isn't a close range based class @lone crest

[lone crest]

I see

[faint ruin]

I second this statement it needs at least a suppressor at like 300 kills or something or maybe extended mags or something

[frosty frigate]

but only the short suppressor

[faint ruin]

or just the osprey (the pistol one)

[frosty frigate]

nah 20% recoil increase for "balancing reasons"

[faint ruin]

nah its cause the devs hate fun

they rebranded it as an smg so at least giv it the same attachments as the rest

or send it back to being a PDW so its not then ONLY smg without a muzzle slot

[frosty frigate]

it is an smg tho, it should've never been a carbine

[faint ruin]

im aware

[frosty frigate]

ah yes the hs multiplier 💀

[faint ruin]

its just dumb that when they chaged that they didnt give it the same attachments

[frosty frigate]

idfk

i'd rather have higher movement speed

[faint ruin]

that would something under character though wouldnt it? based off of the armour your wearing i run no armor and im fast as fk

what id really like to see is being able to run and shoot with smgs and pistols

[frosty frigate]

no there is a movement speed multiplier on guns aswell

[faint ruin]

huh i never noticed i always run no armor scorp or sniper

[tranquil orchid]

balance = hating fun?

that gun has the fastest TTK in the game

I'd rather it at least get suppressor, but no more than that

[faint ruin]

i never said that. I just think it as an smg deserves at least the same attachments as every single other smg

[tranquil orchid]

None of the SMGs kill as fast as it does

[faint ruin]

Thats why it has so much recoil.

Not to mention its not like were asking them to buff it in any real way we.jusy want consistency with the attachments

It is literally the ONLY gun i have seen in the entire game that doesnt share all the same attachment with the other weopns in its class

[frosty frigate]

my movement speed 😭

[tranquil orchid]

That would be a buff

[wide willow]

add quick mag, buff running speed, add to assault.

[frosty frigate]

it already reloads so quickly lol
2.19s

[wide willow]

nah faster

[jade sail]

I think mag is perfect, reload on assault is just enough and 35 bullets is much stronger than 30 but not as strong as 40

I just wonder why can't scorpion be just a copy of vector

[mystic schooner]

that would be boring to be blunt

[round cairn]

scorp is my favorite for a reason

[round cairn]

i can‘t really tell you if i would use or not use that

i probably would actually

suppressors are hella good on close range

[tawdry portal]

So the Evo... loved by a small few, disdained by the masses.

With 10k+ kills on the Evo I feel like I'm in a fairly unique position to make some suggestions. This is going to be a long post.

First things first, the Evo isn't in a BAD spot. It's a very specialized weapon with a skill floor. Other weapons outperform it in every scenario except for one: 30m and under (some might even say 15m and under 💀) At shorter ranges with good recoil control you can capitalize on the TTK and relatively good handing stats to win most CQC fights.

My current "problems" (if you can call them that) are that once you start trying to chain kills you quickly realize the uptime is not great despite the 35 round magazine and the 1.00 move speed means you cannot rotate as quickly as other SMG users. It seems odd that a weapon with objectively less effective range than its counterparts which is focused purely on CQC fighting has both slower movement and reload speed (both very important in CQC) than said counterparts.

To address this and make it truely shine in its role I would propose the following buffs.

A modest increase in move speed to 1.05 and either a quickmag or a straight reduction in base reload speed to closer to 3.00s. The 3.43s base reload is rather punishing when you consider that almost every other SMG is at or below the 3.00s mark with meta attachments.

I DO NOT want large changes to the recoil/damage/RPM because I think the Evo is currently very rewarding to use and the recoil limitations prevents it from becoming another pre-nerf Vector. I would just like to see a couple modest buffs to bring it to parity with comparable options and maybe convince some more players to pick it up. It's sad that the L150 weapon doesn't feel rewarding to unlock to most people and I want that to change.

💪🦂

Intelligent suggestions/critique/questions welcome of course. If we want to get into the weeds about the secondary stats and what could be done to "balance" these suggested buffs I'm more than happy to but I think on their own these buffs won't make the Evo OP or even meta overnight, just give it a fighting chance at not collecting dust on a shelf for 99% of the playerbase.

💪🦂

[cosmic lake]

Cannot suggestion weapon balance based on the level its unlocked at. This is a multiplayer game and as soon as you make guns better by level req, you're going to have a serious issue. Gun's fine IMO.

[frosty frigate]

the movement speed is an issue

[tawdry portal]

The point isn't that higher level weapons = better the point is that they should feel rewarding to unlock at a given level...

[tawdry portal]

Also one clip doesn't prove a point I could show you squadwipes with it but that's also what 10k kills with a weapon does to a MF...

[cosmic lake]

its impossible to try and balance for that reason

[tawdry portal]

My individual skill with a weapon doesn't determine weapon balancing. Having spent quite a lot of time with the Evo I stand by the opinion that it's biggest problem is its movement speed and reload are too slow compared to other SMGs

The MP7 can slap just as easily in your video and has 1.10 movement and a 3 second reload with meta kit

[tawdry portal]

It's arguably more balanced rn than the Mp7 and Vector lol I can beam at range with those and also win most cqc make it make sense

[cosmic lake]

Im sorry, its just not how it works in games, from a fundmental standpoint. This is not a RPG single player game.

[tawdry portal]

Brother you keep saying that but that doesn't mean anything, show me statistically how it doesn't underperform in those two categories

[cosmic lake]

Pardon? You've asked for a gun to be balanced because it's level required is 150 in your argument.

In a multiplayer game

[tawdry portal]

That's not what I'm saying at all, reading must be hard for you

[cosmic lake]

Why are you attempting to insult me, are you alright?

[tawdry portal]

I'm not attempting to insult you, but if what you took away from my comment was that it should be stronger because it's a 150 unlock then you fundamentally misunderstood what I'm saying either intentionally or unintentionally.

[cosmic lake]

Leave you're emotions at the door buddy.

[tawdry portal]

I'll ask again: what is your argument against the proposed buffs? Because rn I'm pretty sure you don't have one other than the strawman of "you think lvl should equal strength" which is fundamentally not what I'm saying.

[cosmic lake]

Im not even arguing against you, im telling you that as someone with experience in game development, that you cannot attempt to reason your statement with a guns performance based on its level requirement.

For that reason, and that reason only, I am telling you, you cannot use it in your argument.

[tawdry portal]

Brother that's not what I'm saying... the idea with the unlock being rewarding is that every unlock should be rewarding and because the gun is undervalued/underperforming it doesn't feel like a reward at the moment.

My arguments for why it should be buffed is its comparative performance but like I said you don't seem to be able to comprehend that.

If I'm getting annoyed it's because you can't read and it's annoying debating with someone who doesn't understand the conversation being had but wants to hold strong opinions.

[cosmic lake]

No, I simply have not even addressed any of what you said after the first glaring mistake in your perposal

[tawdry portal]

So basically you're trolling off a misinterpreted statement. Okay bye.

[cosmic lake]

no, not really

[tawdry portal]

Okay then either address the actual statements i made or keep quiet. I'm not gonna get warned in suggestions again because other people have no comprehension thanks.

[cosmic lake]

Shouldnt be getting warrend in the first place

if you dont know how to speak without emotion interfering.

[tawdry portal]

Lol okay buddy have a good one. Get back to me when you actually know what's being discussed.

[frosty frigate]

movement not good enough.

end of story

[tawdry portal]

He's so lost in the conversation there's no point... like I said half of BBR players are effectively illiterate

[frosty frigate]

wouldn't surprise me tho ngl

[cosmic lake]

womp womp bro

just because im not entertaining your post you're crying even after i stopped talking

I dont owe you anything

[tawdry portal]

Not agreeing with what I'm saying and not understanding what's being said are two different things but go off king. 💁‍♂️

[cosmic lake]

cant wait for new players to be removed from feedback and suggestions

lol

ignorance is bliss

[tawdry portal]

So... you?

Tester role moment

[cosmic lake]

you join Jan 8th

you're probably not even close to max level

probably under 100hs

idk what else u want me to say man, like dick measure next?

you're pressed for nothing cause of some reason, i cant even fathom, and you've been mod backhanded and its been less than 2 weeks in here.

[tawdry portal]

The funniest part is you seem more pressed than me rn

I joined discord Jan 8th that's not when I started playing lmaooo

I got backhanded by a mod cuz people can't read past a 4th grade level here and apparently calling that out is frowned upon, it's why I've been so civil with you... 💀

All in all you've added nothing to this conversation so it's annoying talking with you because you have no idea what you're even saying.

[cosmic lake]

civil, lmao you're quite the opposite of civil

[tawdry portal]

Lol I haven't called you a name once idk what your definition of civil is but it's not the same as being nice

[cosmic lake]

you act like name calling and being overtly rude seriously different

[tawdry portal]

You're so lost on what I said that you're in a completely different area code. Me pointing that out isn't being rude it's quite literally the truth. You misinterpreted what I said (somehow) then continued to troll off that misinterpretation even after I clarified twice for you, then get "offended" when I point out that you're completely lost but I'm the rude one. Okay. 💀💀💀

[cosmic lake]

saying you're lost is crazy, lmao i know exactly what im saying, and you're very very angry and just rude

I dont think you should be allowed in this discord frankly, if you're going to act this way

you're so overly agressive, for 0 reason.

[tawdry portal]

Youre lost because you might think you're making good points but what you THINK I said and what I'm actually saying are completely different things. I'm annoyed because it seems like no matter how many times I clarified that you still don't understand. Which is why again, I say you're completely lost.

And you can think whatever you want, I'd say people who know me here know I'm pretty nice, but when I'm trying to have a serious conversation I don't have much tolerance for people who want to chime in without even understanding what's being discussed.

Its insulting to ME that you want to try and talk while misrepresenting what I said when it's clearly spelled out multiple times. You're just a troll and thats cool but don't cry and try to turn it around like IM the bad guy. 😂

[mystic schooner]

So I am confused why steve is caught on the level, I only see the L150 doesn't feeling rewarding (& Equally I don't see much harm with it getting a increase to 1.05 since it is a SMG)

[formal swallow]

mate, a proper slap would help you out quite abit. stop fucking off ppl, just accept that u made a mistake

[wide willow]

add quick mag, buff running speed.

[frosty frigate]

buff speed

[dusty lotus]

drum mag? just try not to increase the recoil too much... or even lower it cause more bullets equal more weight equals slightly less recoil.

[main drift]

I'd like the option to attach suppressors. Would add some optional aesthetic variety to the gun without significantly affecting its recoil profile (in a way that makes it too good at least). pp2k has a similar thing going so the precedent is there.

[frosty frigate]

3.3 v-recoil

[tawdry flume]

solution is to not let the scorp have the vrecoil barrel mods and let us play with the other ones

[deft birch]

this gun feels horrible and unusable compared to every other gun in the game pls fix :)

[deft birch]

👍

recoil is horrible and the gun excels at combat where the enemy is in your face

but where the enemy is like 10 meters ahead of you it sucks

[frosty frigate]

skill issue lmao

just pull down

[deft birch]

okay

[viral fractal]

that is the point it can kill people almost instantly, so why would they want it to have super easy to control recoil.

[tawdry flume]

I have half as many kills on my Scorpion (291) as I do my MP5 (467) but my longest kill on my scorpion is further (101m vs 85m)

[severe juniper]

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback
No gifs
No 'skill issue'
No video's - (Testing video's in the Polygon are fine)

[frosty frigate]

womp womp

ok sorry

"you need to learn how to simultaneously aim and control the very high vertical recoil"

[frosty frigate]

^ better?

ok if you don't reply it couldn't have been important lmao

[wide willow]

bro the recoil is easy, just pull down

all the gun needs is a run speed buff

[feral copper]

Nuh uh 🗣️

[mystic schooner]

Uh Huh?

[slow pumice]

i think this weapon need a little dmg buff

oh, i for some idk what reasons think evo has 23 dmg instead of 26

well, it perfectly balanced rn

[frosty frigate]

it has 26 dmg...