Groza - Feedback

[rain acorn]

Put your feedback on the Groza.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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[uncut bramble]

Strong weapon but (horizontal) recoil feels low for it not having a front grip. In the same category the Honey Badger has a higher recoil and the P90 can be properly handled with both hands. This one only has the shoulder pad. Currently it also seems to be picked a lot

[tired crane]

The recoil seems way too low for the damage output.

[sterile flint]

I tried using it with a Silencer and overall I had a horrible time when I ran it. When I watched more people use it on Videos/Streams I noticed a different setup on attachments. Overall I think it feels really strong on where it is at. I don't see many people lasering anyone across map with it and I notice I do get killed by it in close quarters.

[drifting gyro]

2nd fastest full auto TTK in the game (tied with FAL)

[rigid lake]

this gun is literally an m4 recoil but with better damage but slightly worse RoF and range.

[light lantern]

yea crossmapping with it basically doesnt happen due to the velocity which is great

it has a distinct play style instead of being a jack of all trades like some other guns are

[sterile flint]

Very well said! Couldn't agree more.

[rigid lake]

i think it just needs a Hrecoil nerf for a gun with no grip it doesnt make sense

[tired crane]

Definitely feel it, it honestly feels like I'm dead before I hear the person even shoot it.

[drifting gyro]

mix in some desync there

[echo wagon]

I mainly use Fal and I lose fights at long range due to the crazy recoil, I feel like I wasn’t having that problem with groza lol

I swear it’s the best rifle in the game

Ak5c just worse groza even tho it’s buffed lmao

[wary salmon]

Don't hate, I'm trying to give constructive criticism but it feels like this is too powerful right now. You recently turned the vector into a potato gun at anything over 10 metres, it's like your shooting tracers now, and most people I get killed by are using this. It hits VERY hard and makes no sense if your buffing/nerfing guns for balnce, this is the one gun currently that I know of that is very overpowered. Think vector, but you let this one get through. Needs a damage nerf and/or bullet drop off much like vector. Neither guns are BB but do it to one, do it to the other.

[gusty forge]

Felt strong (again, not broken), specially on CQC, reload on the longer side but nothing bothersome. Can't say it's unbalanced.

[loud stirrup]

Damage is far too high for a PDW, with the change to hit stun this weapon has now become the CQC monster except it can also be effective out to medium ranges.

High accuracy, high control, high damage, high fire rate, low recoil. This thing needs a complete rework to find out where it should fit in because currently it sticks out like a sore thumb.

[hybrid harbor]

Groza, 3 shot TTK with a RPM of 650. (On par with the FAL against unarmored). Gun has virtually no horizontal or any verticle recoil. Only bad handling stat is the first shot kick which is pretty irrelevant stat for PDWs. Reload speed is subpar at >4s with a standard mag size of 30.
Gun currently doesn't really make any sense, most of the high damaging guns capable of 3 shotting any unarmored target have ridiculous amounts of recoil stats in either verticle or horizontal department (AK15, FAL, SCAR-H). This gun is currently an outlier that needs to be fixed.
I would say tune the first shot recoil down from 3.0 to 2.0 or even 1.5.
Swap the stats of the verticle recoil and horizontal around so it has more horizontal than verticle.
Then increase the recoil stats by 1.5x.
Will still boast better handling compared to other high damaging weapons for trading off worse TTK against armor.

[magic sphinx]

It's pretty crazy how this gun is basically almost maxed out the moment you get it. It has way too little vertical and horizontal recoil for 34 damage at base. The only downside of this gun is reload speed and velocity.

[neon furnace]

I think that some time needs to go by before any other balancing changes happen among other guns, however - it seems clear that most people will fall back from the Vector into the Groza.
The Groza is very strong and seems to be an outright frontrunner.

This gun should be the next candidate for balance tweaks.

[karmic imp]

with the recent kriss nerf (even though it was very insignificant and the gun is still very good) it seems like everyone has switched over to the groza. it feels like every single person that kills me in a lobby has a groza. 1.2 horizontal recoil and 0.6 vertical recoil for the 2nd highest TTK in the whole game is really not ideal

[celest osprey]

Too low recoil for what it is

[severe orbit]

needs recoil to be significantly increased, this groza shoots 7.62x39mm

[subtle nebula]

9x39

[hollow totem]

Gun is well balanced, it's reload is very slow, but a quick mag would make it op.

Very strong but with distinct downsides I think no changes are needed at this time.

(Aside from further reducing aim punch on high damage weapons)

[light lantern]

reload isnt even that bad now that it can be used on assault class

[hollow totem]

Yep. I play medic mostly so it's glacial for me. But I think it's ok on assault as well.

[severe orbit]

This groza is the groza-1 which shoots 7.62

[subtle nebula]

well, bullet speed suggest the 9x39 version, damage too

also magazine looks closer to 9x39 than 7.62x39

[fading nymph]

no, 9x39 mag more direct, like an AR-15 magazine

and feedback #1 : the silencer should, in theory, be very huge, and not be worn as a silent firing device at the end of the muzzle (an example of a Groza-2) and this one need to be fixed i think

feedback #2 @ suggestion: this rifle needs for sure front grip (example Groza-1 from BF4) BUT!

since the handle performs a dual task - holding recoil and, I don’t know, reduces muzzle flash (?) you can do this in the barrel module, because in fact, this is not a modification of the forearm, but specifically a modification of the muzzle of the weapon. (see about silenser above)

[hybrid harbor]

i'd be ok with them adding foregrips if they also crank the recoil on the gun up to 11 to keep it balanced.

[hollow totem]

The one peppery biscuit linked would be a barrel attachment. Groza definitely shouldn't get a front grip, but having it being cosmetic as part of a barrel attachment would be fine

[rigid lake]

i agree with most people i think the groza shooting a large caliber bullet than with a no grip should have higher recoil.

[sinful crater]

@rigid lake has earned the Tier I Member role!

[high mirage]

I honestly prefer groza's model with the front grip

[wary salmon]

Recoil too low, aim too true and easy with hipfire. It's a basic noob goto gun now that vectors been slapped

[raven jewel]

I foresaw the day the vector gets nerfed that this and the MP7 would be next on the chopping block

[fading nymph]

if foregrips will be added, it tratsforms to abomination from COD:CW

[magic sphinx]

that groza is such an ugly gun

[loud stirrup]

[Grozas in British]

[light lantern]

where did the carry handle thingy go

[loud stirrup]

L22 is kawaii

[loud stirrup]

never had one for the first model

https://youtu.be/IrfYatE03ec

our lord and saviour

[magic sphinx]

Either give this gun the AK5C vert/horizontal recoil stats or reduce the 34 damage to like 32.

[loud stirrup]

I got frustrated with the M110 yesterday so me and a friend decided to be shitters and run double medic/groza.

What an absolutely broken gun, nothing was my equal and we rinsed multiple rounds, killing rapidly at ranges I'd only properly attempt with something like an AK15.

Far too strong in all areas.

[magic sphinx]

there is only few guns where i say

ohhhhh groza no wonder

only vector, mp5, and groza feels like an instant death for me

[loud stirrup]

I don't feel bad about getting killed by a vector up close, that's where its supposed to shine

[karmic imp]

it's the ultimate shitter gun. virtually no recoil and one of the best TTKs in the game means anyone can consistently get kills with it, even if they've never played an FPS game in their life before

and the worst part is it doesn't even feel good to use at higher skill levels unlike something like the scorpion or FAL, because the reload is so obnoxiously long and you can't get a mag attachment for it

[normal heath]

what the fuck is this gun. it's so good I love it but it's too strong

[loud stirrup]

No clue why no groza change in latest update news, hopefully it gets added before the patch goes live

[gusty forge]

Just uppity up the recoil please.

[topaz sandal]

from the weapon suggested list it clear that the one in game fires the 9x39 round

[fading nymph]

????

[topaz sandal]

Idk what you are trying to say but the gorza in game does use the same ammunition as the Val and thus is sub sonic

[rigid lake]

bullet size aside this gun needs a nerf in horizontal and/or vertical recoil a gun without a grip

[raven jewel]

Played 3 full matches of CTF on the same server, literally couldn't break 90 kills with the honey badger

swapped to the unleveled groza

dropped my first 120+ kill game ever on my 4th game

Yeah no, hit this shit with a brick LMAO.

This shit hits excessively hard for it's ease of use

Increasing recoil or even lowering fire rate a tad might help bring it in line.

[robust karma]

Making the recoil more is one thing but decreasing the rate of fire would make it not act like a groza anymore

[midnight notch]

Tried groza yesterday. It does melt fast but super loud. I dont mind the reload speed considering my play style for defending points or picking people off.

[clear matrix]

Hope developer add Groza-1 in assault gun.

[karmic imp]

the firerate needs to be reduced to 600 rpm, and same goes for the ump. that way they're sidegrades to the AK5C, with less recoil/higher movement speed respectively

[wooden anchor]

they will still overshadow the ak5c and the ump actually shoots relatively fast irl so 600rpm isn't what it should be, srsly an smg with 600rpm

[robust karma]

600 rpm with 35 damage ain't so bad

[zenith violet]

nerf this piece of crap. The effective range is just unreasonable

[karmic imp]

@gentle echo spotted the groza abuser

[gentle echo]

Yes I abuse it and I will abuse you too

[loud stirrup]

We near October, the harvest has come in and the people prepare for the long, hard winter ahead, and this piece of trash still hasn't been nerfed.

[clear matrix]

Make it like Groza-4 with suppressor.

Reduce damage range.

[wooden anchor]

dmg too high for recoil, nerf.
summary of how i feel for this crutch, same for ump

[clear matrix]

Well increase vertical and horizal recoil, also reduce damge from 35 to 32

[hexed fern]

Im sure this was discussed before, but when the fuck is this gun is going to get its control (recoil) nerfed????

Its a fucking no brainer and this still hasn't been done

[wooden anchor]

smg medic bias cough cough

[robust karma]

Real

[pseudo tangle]

Idk how wild this take is but I honestly think this gun is pretty balanced rn, but I think it's balanced in a bad way.

Groza is sorta broken with its TTK and low recoil, but it has a horrible, just absolutely God awful reload time.

Here's my idea...

[pseudo tangle]

Groza

• Vertical recoil increased from 1.20 to 140. (nerf)
• Horizontal recoil increased from 0.60 to 0.75. (nerf)
• Velocity increased from 390 to 415. (buff)
• Sound Spread increased from 500 to 650. (nerf)
  - Walking speed slowed from 1.05 to 1.03. (nerf)
• Reload time sped up from 4.30 sec to 4.00 sec. (buff)

[clear matrix]

Do you think should reduce the FSK of this gun ?

[drifting gyro]

FSK?

o

I am dumb

first shot kick....

[clear matrix]

I mean First shot kick.

[wooden anchor]

still a laser, more h-recoil... the ump has 0.9 and still lasers (it's the better even crutchier version of the groza)

[gentle sphinx]

the firerate needs to be bumped down to 600 RPM more than anything

the TTK is just outrageously fast for how easy the gun is to use. 0.05 more horizontal recoil isn't gonna make much of a difference

[gentle echo]

I think the Groza needs a buff to 42 dmg so it can 3 shot armoured targets.

[pseudo tangle]

fair point

[robust karma]

Rpm and recoil need would make it horrible,it needs one or the other

[gentle sphinx]

i think RPM would be enough. it'd bring it down to earth, and alongside the AK5C and MG36

the recoil would still be stupid low but i think that'd be outweighed by the obnoxiously long reload (then again, most groza abusers don't live long enough to have to reload anyway)

[robust karma]

Yeah I personally think it needs a nerf but nerfing it in both fields would make it go from top to bottom

[drifting gyro]

(MG36 sadness)

[rigid lake]

with the new attachment rework the groza can have 0.98(or was it 0.96 cant remember) vertical recoil and a little bit of horizontal recoil thats still manageable level) this gun is still a better ak74 even at 100m kek

[gentle sphinx]

how the fuck is this gun still not nerfed lmao

[humble canopy]

Bc the reload takes 2 years give or take

[gentle sphinx]

no groza shitter lives long enough to have to reload anyway

it's not a reasonable drawback for the 2nd highest TTK in the game and virtually no recoil

[normal heath]

it's balanced because it sounds like ass

[pseudo tangle]

I think this gun is quite balanced nowadays, which is different from what I said a while back.

Weird recoil with insane first shot but becomes a laser after. Bad reload to counteract it, meaning you're forced to beam due to the really bad FSK but also risk dealing with the horrific reload time.

Shoots yourself in the foot in a way, which I find kinda interesting.

[loud stirrup]

Has it received any nerf at all? It's still one of the few guns I get absolutely lasered by at semi-bullshit ranges

The slow reload is a very weak downside, as what you're shooting at is probably already dead and you've run around the corner to reload in safety. At best it's a mild inconvenience.

[drifting gyro]

since launch or?

[loud stirrup]

Within the last 2~ months

[rigid lake]

nah this gun been buffed with the latest attachment rework

1.07 vertical recoil to 0.98

idk but thats a big buff

[loud stirrup]

That's a pretty huge buff, the gun itself sort of comes pre-built and doesn't need any attachments to be meta, beyond a sight

[rigid lake]

it did get almost same amount of gain on horizontal but its like 0.6 to 0.7

which is still low

lmao

[gentle sphinx]

yeah, nah

[raven jewel]

Think reload speed got hit though in regards to this gun, quick mag don't quick like it used to on pretty much every gun

[rigid lake]

this gun didnt have any mag options tho

[raven jewel]

Huh, thought It did

Nvm then, L

[lucid crystal]

First and most obvious - GROZA Doesn't have as thick a barrel as it does in the game.
From this we conclude that the barrel attachments should also be smaller.
Also, I'm pretty sure that GROZA does not have a burst mode. Only single and full-auto

[normal heath]

no mag options and possibly the worst firing sounds in the game somehow cause this gun to drop to low A tier despite having incredible stats on paper. honestly incredible

[desert gale]

why the fuck this gun still have LMG reload time? oki removed 50 mag from it before release of the game
this gun is good, but its completely ruined when you need to reload, its not best at anything to have such downside, instead, it also have insane slow bullet velocity for no reason (except realism bullshit bla bla) and braindead first shot kick

A tier gun on first mag, TRASH tier gun after
im really want to play with it more, but having x2 slower reload time with 0 upsides over powerful guns makes me and ton of other players for sure turn over from it

lower reload time to 3.0 seconds at least (still wont even be close to meta guns)
or add other mag options with quick mag with x2 times faster reload w.o downgrades + legendary 50 mag with A BIT of recoil downgrades

[gentle sphinx]

0 upsides lmfao

literally the 2nd best TTK in the game + nonexistent recoil

maybe you just suck

[humble canopy]

Classic matoi take

[midnight notch]

It hits like a ak5c with fast movespeed and easy recoil. Only downside is slow reload. What more does groza need

[humble canopy]

All that and a better rof than AK5C

[desert gale]

using your braindead logic skorpion is best gun in game

yet no one usuing it

[gentle sphinx]

plenty of people are using it

[desert gale]

groza has so much downsides that its not even best ttk means nothing

[gentle sphinx]

not everyone is as dogshit at the game as you are

[desert gale]

also its not second even?

ttk sheet broken so i cant shart on you

but its for sure not top 2

not even top 10

[gentle sphinx]

lmao

[desert gale]

fucking loser

[gentle sphinx]

it's tied with the FAL for the 2nd best TTK

0.185

[desert gale]

what armour?

[gentle sphinx]

no wonder you cry so much when you aim at armor

[desert gale]

send a screen

[desert gale]

this dumb fuck really using HS as argument?

ok 100% HS bozo

[gentle sphinx]

lmao

armor covers like 20% of your player model

keep crying noob

[desert gale]

you even more shit than i imaginaed

im better than you

small issue brother

not even close

[gentle sphinx]

ok jarvis pull up a gif of a baby crying

[desert gale]

you literally came here and sharted that gun is good vs 99 best arguments using that it has good hs TTK

fucking lmao

how trash you must be

to be so dumb

[gentle sphinx]

how trash must you be that you're bitching and moaning when using one of the most braindead, easiest to use guns in the entire game

you're pathetic

find a different game lmao

[desert gale]

trash velocity (good luck HSing something further than point blank)
trashest reload time (1 mag and you jerking a cock for a hour, reload time is probably second most important thing after ttk)
avg ttk in avg scenarios, losing to many gun that is better at everything than groza, losing to some guns INSANELY
trashest first shot kick (not useful but also sucks)
trash accuracy (still)

get shitted upon

[desert gale]

if balance is tied to how easy for me getting top 1 tab on gun "name", then this game is perfectly balanced

but its not how it works low skill kiddo

you came here to leave pile of shit with 0 sense

you shit just for shitting

you are not even created something

you still trash, im still right, im trying to make game better, you are trying to shit your pants and having success on it

you not only catched big L on topic, you also tried to go into something personal and still sucked my balls dry

[light lantern]

Chill out, both of you

Get back on topic

[desert gale]

im also playing this gun a lot because i care about fun more than having easy time

[desert gale]

so take "you are metaslave and just want another metatoy" is not valid (i will play it no matter what, just want more balanced game)

[desert gale]

always was, just need to defend it from 0 actual argument clowns for some reason (bbr community issue)

[light lantern]

As long as it stays civilized, sure

[desert gale]

wars can only be answered by wars in real world, you cant fix uncivil being civil that is soy hope

[light lantern]

I don't care for the philosophy, this isn't war, keep it civil

[desert gale]

ik flarson you just must keep the chat follow the rules someone created by imagination

thats ok

[light lantern]

yes

[desert gale]

anyway groza needs lower reload speed for 100000% sure
HS ttk is not argument, if you dont trust me - go check any other insane kill streak makers, they never go only HS in this game, in fact most of them as i see go for body even when its so easy to HS (thats even ignoring the fact that this way we have only 0.01% of players who can actually use this advantage of HS TTK, what about other, main audience ppl?)

at the end we having, insanely weak and questionable upside of HS ttk VS all of this downsides, some of which are critical and should be buffed too in perfec scenario, but ik this gun and lower reload speed will be enough, not because meta, even if we buff all of this it wont be meta, good luck fighting ak m4 mp7 in raw stats, but because it will reach perfect balance spot when it will never make any problems for game

i even have an answer for "why do you care about this gun so much when there is ton of other much more trash ones"

• this is one of the easiest changes to put 1 gun in perfect balance spot and forget about it forever

[midnight notch]

Bringing down recoil will make it too good. I suggest putting this idea as a suggestion instead of this feedback thread.

[desert gale]

nobody ever asked to reduce recoil

[drifting gyro]

0.092 esh on HS

so best full auto HS TTK, unsure on non HS TTK ranking (I know scorp is like 0.150)

[desert gale]

im only said about first shot kick, reducing which wont change anything, because tapping in this game is so rare, but it also have no reason to have such huge one

yall probably dont understand that this gun having such first shot kick and long reload because previously it was having 50 mag

#dev-wip message

oki buffed ttk from trash to avg and mag from 50 to 30, which completely changed the meaning of this gun and it should continue to be balanced accordingly

[gentle sphinx]

non HS groza and FAL are 0.185

[desert gale]

this boy have armour piercing rounds

no point to even account the opinion

when me and other best players in their montages shoot everything they flicked at to get kill asap this boy sniping the fingers on legs of EXO dudes and then flexing with his 0.001 ttk on groza (he ended match with 40 | 70)

also 95% of other players who doesnt have skill to fully control their aim are doesnt exist and thats a lie that should be ignored

comeback with better arguments, start with having at least one

[rigid lake]

this game has armour piercing?

[drifting gyro]

not to my knowledge

[rigid lake]

same here then idk what he means armor piercing kek