#UMP-45 - Feedback

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glossy hound
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Put your feedback on the UMP-45.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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jade anchor
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Excellent starting smg, one of the lowest recoil guns in the game but small mag.
Wouldn't change anything other than reining in the damage fall off for smgs in general.

scarlet vector
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I can not use this gun at all. something about it feels cursed in terms of ttk, even if it is basically an m4

fringe rampart
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As I mentioned in my mp5 feedback, I think it should swap damage with it (make the ump 29 dmage and the mp5 25 damage).

jade anchor
sturdy cove
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To me it felt weird having it at the same time as the MP7. I barely touched the MP7 since this gun felt stronger (to me). I feel like it could be locked behind level 15-20.
Otherwise overall handling felt good for the early unlock that it is.

torn ibex
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solid. if theres one smg that should be usable past 'normal' smg distance it should be this

pure cosmos
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Increase damage slightly so it can take 4 bullets to kill rather than 5

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25 > 27 damage

young arch
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TTK too slow, mag too small.

Otherwise that's a good weapon 🙂

rose shell
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i agree i think damage just needs a slight buff probably to 26-27 and increase mag size to 30 probably make this slightly better.

civic rose
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At first, on paper, this gun is just a worse PP19. But after using it, the gun beams people for sure. Low recoil, good control. I had no issues landing headshots with this weapon. Very good and often slept on SMG.
One buff that is absolutely need is change the kill requirement for the quick mag from 500kills to soemthing lik 125kills. It makes zero sense why its at 500 kills.

shrewd basalt
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The UMP-45 feels weak compared other SMGs but it’s still perfectly usable.

cloud barn
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Should be given higher headshot damage

young arch
rough violet
# fringe rampart As I mentioned in my mp5 feedback, I think it should swap damage with it (make t...

I think it really should just be reworked to not fill the same niche as the PP19 (and be worse than it).
Hell its a .45 made of plastic, just make it like other games and give it 34 damage with "high" recoil and lower fire rate to around 600.
Make it a shorter range Groza but lighter, faster reload and with 5 less bullets.

It just feels so cursed to use a UMP and its literally the most laser-like smg in the game, tons of games conditioned me to expect it to hit hard.

sand star
fast spindle
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I noticed the Quick-A magazine has a higher kill requirement than any other gun in the game, unsure if it's intentional. 500 kills vs 290 for most magazines, just thought I'd make it known if it wasn't already

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rose shell
rough violet
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Yeah, they just forgot to fix this back when they did for other guns. Also never fixed the size of the attachments on some guns like the REM700. Really dont know how they stopped that halfway through

ionic minnow
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its underpowered

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why should I use UMP45 over MP5 which does more damage with higher rate of fire while still being quite accurate and having 5 more rounds in magazine

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there's no point in using the UMP45

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i suggest a complete re-work:
34 damage
600 RPM
1.5 vertical recoil
1.25 horizontal recoil

robust blade
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It's a worse PP19 in pretty much every meaningful regard. The only advantages it has are:

  1. faster velocity
  2. faster run speed (1.05 vs 1.10 though lol)
  3. slightly better horizontal recoil
    The first and second advantages might have some niche uses, and the third isn't very much difference (0.50 from the UMP vs 0.70 from the PP19) AND the quick mag from the PP19 actually reduces horizontal recoil down to 0.42
    Also the PP19 can use the long barrel to slightly offset the velocity difference and also increase damage. UMP is cooked in this comparison tbh
viral wyvern
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Could use a buff to firerate, otherwise solid

pine trench
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I honestly loved this gun until I unlocked some of the other SMGs but the dead exact 25.00 damage leads to some extremely feels bad moments at the very edge of dropoff range

hot edge
old bolt
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45 cal doing 25 damage vs 9 mm doing 29 is hilarious though

rose shell
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i think if they want realism in damage then they should just lower anything 9mm to what same as glock .45acp to 20-23 range and anything 5.56 or 7.62 like 30+

rough violet
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----- UMP45 -----
• Damage increased, from 25 to 28
• Vertical recoil increased, from 0.9 to 1
• Horizontal recoil increased, from 0.5 to 0.65
• Velocity lowered, from 500 to 475
• Damage fall-off START reduced, from 50m to 30m

Nice changes, but just go the whole way. Make it deal 34 damage with high recoil. Make it a lightweight version of the Groza, changing range and 5 bullets in the mag for faster handling.
28 damage only ever helps if you hit light armor, most fights this will make 0 difference because you dont even hit armor, or the guy is wearing any of the other 3 kinds of armor

ionic minnow
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UMP still useless with these changes

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MP5:

  • 29 damage
  • 0.9 vertical recoil, 0.7 horizontal recoil
  • 800 RPM
  • damage fall-off start at 50 m
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there's still no point in using the UMP

sterile epoch
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we really did not need another groza, the groza is aids enough

untold mesa
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that is going to be so fun to play against

sterile epoch
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a new shitter gun, except now literally everyone has it!

untold mesa
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yessir shitter gun communism

sterile epoch
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seriously, with how much people have been (rightfully) complaining about the groza, the most tone deaf thing you can do is turn the UMP into the same goddamn thing

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and i bet oki isn't even going to fix the 500 kills quick mag thing either

echo spear
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The 25 mag is what keeps this one balanced tbh… other wise is a super strong gun now

potent temple
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Worthy of damage over range nerf/treatment like the other SMGs

rough violet
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Magazine still takes 500 kills, please fix

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untold mesa
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gun op, pls fix

analog compass
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Bro how is it op when it literally has a max range of like

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20 meters

rough violet
sterile epoch
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you're actively insane and need to be institutionalized if you think the UMP is horrible after 20m

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that's where the damage fall off starts, not where it ends

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it's perfectly serviceable up to like ~50m, on top of being absolutely busted in CQC

rough violet
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Not even close to being objectively better than other SMGs in close range and it isn't a rifle that'll snipe with 3 hits

sterile epoch
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it objectively has the fastest TTK in close range

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of any SMG

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0.185; even the MP7 is slower, at 0.189

rough violet
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With worse recoil, more velocity, longer ADS time

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I'm pretty sure that doesn't make it OBJECTIVELY better because it kills 2% faster

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So nerf the MP7 too i guess?

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It also already kills slower than it if a single bullet hits armor

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ANY armor

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252ms to 276

sterile epoch
rough violet
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No, just pointing out the differences

sterile epoch
rough violet
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Oh yeah I forgot they didnt even change the MP7 from 40 to 20

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that was weird

viral wyvern
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shitter gun gaming

sterile epoch
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so true bestie

untold mesa
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the ump is a better groza, saying it's alright is so untrue
it's a crutchy ass shitter gun
this thing got no recoil worth mentioning meanwhile the fal sucks ass recoil and mag wise
groza and this thing the ultimate balance peak fr fr

analog compass
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Bro compared to other smgs this gins recoil sucks

strong finch
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500 kills quick mag trolling has to go BBClown

potent temple
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That's to balance the power of the gun =OOO we played into the devs hands.

untold mesa
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the fal has some really bad recoil in comparision to other ars aswell and yet the ump is a laser for its ttk, 184ms with 25rnds, 2.7s? reload, 1.2 v-recoil and 0.85 h-recoil vs
184ms, 20rnds, 3.3s reload, 1.6/2.0 v-recoil, 2.05 h-recoil
while yes fal has better falloff + more consistency against armor
at most ranges the ump is still better, especially when someone has aim and goes with munching on toes in gunfights

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even the groza has better balance than this piece of crap

sterile epoch
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okay let's be reasonable, groza is still worse

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UMP at least HAS recoil, even if it's not much

untold mesa
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that's why i said "even groza has better balance" but that aside pretending 2 massively overtuned guns are fine is delusional

pine trench
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gun is disgusting

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used to be fine

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now it feels dirty to use

untold mesa
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tried it out for a few kills, just disgusting
this gun has never heard of balance

sterile epoch
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it needs its firerate reduced to 600 rpm, and same goes for the groza. that way they're sidegrades to the AK5C, with higher movement speed/less recoil respectively

untold mesa
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and then they are still better than the ak5c
that only fixes the crutch attribute they have
give the ak5c more of a niche instead of having it be a sad peace of junk

analog compass
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All of this is extremely true

sterile epoch
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AK5C is already good

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it's just overshadowed by the UMP and groza

untold mesa
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yeah, bring the groza and ump back into reality

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(nerfs)

atomic fossil
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Ump dmg nerf when?

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35 is to much

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32 max

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Maaaaaaybe 33

viral wyvern
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30 is approaching the upper limit, high 20s would be reasonable for something that shoots .45

analog compass
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I say exactly 30,especially since it has an ass rate of fire compared to other smgs

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Do agree with a nerf but putting into 20s damage would literally make the gun unusable again

viral wyvern
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30 but make it useless past 100m with damage falloff

analog compass
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I mean it already has a 20m damage max and 140 min and the min damage is pretty lame so honestly I'd say keep ranges just nerf damage itself so it can't 3sk

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I mean the m4 does 30 damage and has like twice the range the ump does

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AND it has 700 rpm compared to the small 650

rough violet
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I don't get what people suddenly find so outrageous about the UMP but almost no complaints about MP7.
I don't want it to go back to being the same weapon as every other SMG, leave the damage as is and just lower the RPM by 50 and/or increase recoil.
It kills as fast as the MP7 with no armor hits and slower with any kind of armor.

cobalt dawn
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both are overtuned as fuck. i get it, you want players to start with good weapons, but mp7 and ump are just a bit too cracked. m4 is a prime example of a great starter weapon

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but yeah, i agree. ump should just lose 50 RPM and get a bit of recoil. i don't mind having a 3 shot SMG, i just don't think we needed another groza

untold mesa
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mp7 could use some more recoil but idk, it sucks against armor, i think it's alright (ump and groza aren't)

analog compass
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I'd say lower the damage range

untold mesa
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recoil lowers range while keeping it effective with bursts, skill or taps

open rose
analog compass
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I went to a place called machine gun america in orlando

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pay 500 bucks to shoot that full auto shit

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my parents paid the 500

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under 18

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But yeah anyways I just say lower the range

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it would be weird having a gun like the kriss vector shooting at a quarter of the times more than the mp7 having less recoil

oblique wedge
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The Ak5c has 34 damage, 600 rpm, and at least 1.6 vertical and 1.4 horizontal. This thing has 35, 650 rpm, and 1 vertical .85 horizontal. How on earth is that balanced?

cobalt dawn
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it isn't. oki just sucks at balancing. he should just let someone who knows what he's doing do it at this point

rough violet
cobalt dawn
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theoretically yes, practically no

oblique wedge
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Except it's far harder to hit your shots at that range due to the recoil.

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If the recoils were swapped for smgs and ars, I feel like things would be better

rough violet
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It probably should have a bit less horizontal recoil

cobalt dawn
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honestly it's fine as is. the TTK is very respectable, it should be a little harder to use

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the problem is with UMP being braindead easy to use, whilst also having an even faster TTK

rough violet
oblique wedge
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SMGs should have high mobility and great close range handling (aim speed, draw speed, etc). The ARs should have better recoil statistics and range. Their damage should mostly be determined by real life caliber

rough violet
cobalt dawn
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it's really, really not "just above average"

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it has the 2nd fastest TTK with the game, with little to no recoil, and a movement speed bonus

rough violet
rough violet
cobalt dawn
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then don't, you're free to concede

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MP7 should be nerfed too

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one gun being overtuned doesn't mean another gun being overtuned is okay

rough violet
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SMGs are fine in Conquest, even the strong ones don't feel overwhelming

cobalt dawn
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you are silly

rough violet
cobalt dawn
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i like playing conquest but i also like moving around instead of camping a single window the entire match

rough violet
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You dont need to just camp

cobalt dawn
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you're just going to get shot back lmao

rough violet
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Yes???????

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But you can win more often with a medium range weapon??

oblique wedge
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Look, I just think that Oki needs to take a look at the AR and SMG counterpart guns and balance them against each other. The range stat doesn't matter too much if you can't hit your shots. The reason the UMP is overtuned is because it has incredibly good recoil control and damage for very little downside.

cobalt dawn
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going into large open fields is suicide to begin with, but even if you're going to be obnoxious and argue against maps/gamemodes rather than particular weapons, you have to acknowledge than the UMP is far better than almost all of its contemporaries, barring the MP7

rough violet
cobalt dawn
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you use vehicles or play a good map like tensatown/frugis that don't have large open fields

rough violet
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Lol

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I'll say it again: It's not "balanced" but people are "OVERreacting"

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you're all making it sound like it's the best weapon ever

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You're gonna scare Oki into nerfing it like the AS VAL and HB the first time when they went from OP to useless

cobalt dawn
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it kind of is, when you consider the only weapon with a faster TTK has 2.70 vertical recoil

rough violet
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up to 20m

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20

cobalt dawn
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20m is where the damage fall off starts

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stop acting like it's the end all be all range for the UMP

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you can kill people well outside of it

rough violet
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Yes and where it stops having the obvious advantage

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I'm not saying you cant

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you can kill with pistol at 1000m but im saying there are better weapons at that range

cobalt dawn
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like the PP2000, right

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:v)

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noooo you're not heckin allowed to compare the UMP to other SMGs

rough violet
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There will always be one gun that is the best at one thing, that doesn't mean its OP because its isnt the WORST at everything else to compensate

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I've wasted enough time talking to a wall here, go back to domination lol bye

cobalt dawn
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mad at the internet

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the UMP far outvalues most other close range weapons without really having much of a downside at all. it lets you move fast, has little recoil, and the damage fall off isn't even the worst of its class

untold mesa
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ump is good, even in conquest, to good
and even if it only was in dom
having the same ttk as the fal while having less than half of its recoil, better ms, reload time, mag size, ads speed
is just grossly overtuned, people were already not content with the groza yet we get an objectively even better gun than it that fullfills the same role and doing it better...

honest lake
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way too strong

cinder rose
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Too much damage, simply too much

analog compass
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right now this gun is like the old vector and still people are abusing medic with this gun

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This gun makes the mp7 look like a peashooter

untold mesa
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like srsly even the groza has better balance than this shitter gun HyperXD

analog compass
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I'm not really getting killed by the groza every turn

cobalt dawn
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largely because most people switched over to the UMP

untold mesa
analog compass
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I'd say like 1 out of every 7 deaths is a groza

cobalt dawn
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UMP has more movement speed and much, much faster reloads

analog compass
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I'd say rework the ump how I said earlier

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and make the groza have a bit more recoil

cobalt dawn
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both the UMP and groza need their RPM toned down to 600 RPM. i think that would be enough to bring them down to earth

analog compass
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the ump irl has like 700 to 750 rpm

cobalt dawn
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if you want 700 to 750 RPM then you can't be 3 shotting people

analog compass
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Not to mention having an smg have a 600 fire rate is insanely low powered

cobalt dawn
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balance is more important than realism

analog compass
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which is why I said leave the damage to like 30

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and make it stay at its rpm

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thats a huge 5 damage decrease

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and make the recoil more

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and there you go

cobalt dawn
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yeah i think that'd be fair

analog compass
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you can still balance and make it realistic

cobalt dawn
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could even be 700 rpm, so it'd be like a more mobile m4 with less reach

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would make for a fine starter weapon

analog compass
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True but then it'd go back to the same as when it came out

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or when the game started

cobalt dawn
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it started out with 25 damage and 700 RPM

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which was TRASH

analog compass
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Wait you mean with the rework I gave

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nvm

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yeah 700 rpm 30 damage and like 1.3 v and h recoil

cobalt dawn
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yeah, i think 30 damage with 700 RPM would be sensible. same TTK as an M4, with lower headshot damage and less reach, but more movement speed

untold mesa
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that was literally fine, if we got 30dmg or maybe 32 with 700-725rpm then the gun would be balanced

cobalt dawn
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then the groza can just be deleted from the game

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and world peace would be achieved

analog compass
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I love the groza :C

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it needs a nerf but I'd still like it to be a good weapon

untold mesa
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played it before it became "meta" because of the swaggy ass long reload BBcool

analog compass
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when i first played in July I thought the only meta was the vector

untold mesa
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after it got its booty clapped ytbers went crazy over "the new meta"

analog compass
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I'm so sick of these "metas"

strong finch
# analog compass This gun makes the mp7 look like a peashooter

MP7 0,189 0,253 0,253 0,316 0,379
UMP45 0,185 0,277 0,277 0,369 0,369
ttks are pretty much the same with mp7 having slight edge on light and normal armor, significanta advantage on heavy armor (default for assault)
MP7 kills slightly faster than ump, so its not the dmg that's the problem

untold mesa
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35dmg at 650rpm with no recoil to speak of
and beating out most other guns...
"gun's balanced"
it's not it's a crutch gun of the highest degree
no recoil ✅, high damage and high enough fire rate to deliver ✅
oh and did i mention the amazing handling, yes no?
this gun outclasses it's contemporaries and ars in a bunch of cases
it's the gun with the worst "balance" in the game rn...

cobalt dawn
strong finch
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my point is ttk is the same, so why are you bitching about dmg
other stats should be looked at

cobalt dawn
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have you considered that both weapons are overtuned and far better than basically any other SMG

open rose
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No I just want to complain

strong finch
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have you considered that others are undertuned?

untold mesa
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mp7 actually gets balanced by the higher fire rate + lower damage and the recoil
meanwhile the ump just lasers
smh what are the people responsible for "balance" smoking, i need some of it

cobalt dawn
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MP7 is only overtuned because of the 40m damage fall off tbh

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if it was reduced to 20m then you'd meet the 5 shot threshold much sooner

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anyhow, even when you take assault rifles into account, <0.200 TTK is just fucking stupid. you need the gun to be really hard to use to justify it, like with the scorpion evo

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realistically why would you ever use the scorpion evo when the UMP exists? the answer is it's fun, but think about it. UMP kills almost as fast, but has basically no recoil in comparison

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it's braindead easy to use, and often means you'll just win aim duels solely because your gun was better, not because your aim was better

untold mesa
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mp7 already feels weak sometimes idk, if you can someone at 40m with that goofy ah recoil it's kinda justified xD

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hmmm evo my beloved funny br br deng gun, have to use the pp and then vector in the meantime

strong finch
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Reason mp7 and pp19 dmg drop off starts at 40m is cause they have dmg of 25 and immidietely lose their btk at 40m mark
Same goes with ump, at 39m its dmg drops below 33.33 so its btk becomes 4
Other smgs follow same pattern of losing their btk at 40m so why do you think mp7 is overtuned all of a sudden xd

untold mesa
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ump losing its 3sk at 39m 💀
if that ain't overtuned for what it is i don't know what is

atomic fossil
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Its easier to hit all your shots with ump then mp7

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Higher damage requires higher recoil

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Its a "gunbalance in videogames for dummies"

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But unfortunately oki and his feedback team are fucking mentally handicapped

untold mesa
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i'm just asking myself what the "balance" team and oki smoked that day when reading the suggestions of a few people
"give it a 3sk but substantial recoil"

atomic fossil
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Its fascinating how they (or just him) did scar-h fine, but completely fucked up with groza and now ump

untold mesa
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i mean literally, people already complained about the groza and then they do that Facepalm_Battlebit

atomic fossil
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Complained rightfully so

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Its just buggles my mind why would he comply by these rules with AR's but didn't do so with SMG's

untold mesa
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(oki smg medic bias cough cough)

pulsar shard
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My issue with most smgs is the recoil , there is almost none and it put them in a better place for ranged fight than many ARs

strong finch
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In theory they should just have a dogshit accuracy so no matter how good your aim / tracking / recoil control you would not hit anything past 50m
In reality accuracy stat does literally nothing, theres no bullet deviation from the crosshair
I tested with vector with conpensator (~60 accuracy), 4x scope and rangefinder
Fired at 300m with zeroing at a target and all 36 shots resulted in headshots, not a single miss
So they did the dmg drop off right but the issue with smgs still being lazers persists

untold mesa
strong finch
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Is it listed anywhere?
One way or another this weapon class accuracy apparently also means jack shit

untold mesa
cobalt dawn
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finally

untold mesa
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bruuhhhhhh
atleast smth...

analog compass
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All smgs already got a huge range nerf and you all want them to get another?

rose shell
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well the ump was something else man

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like it was literally better than groza

untold mesa
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nice strawman...
but nah ump was a fucking rifle with erecticle disfunction
still a good gun, maybe even still to good
but like srsly 3sk out to 39m at that rof with no recoil's just fucking dumb
actually the vector could do with some more range and the mp5...

cobalt dawn
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i think they're fine honestly

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they have essentially no recoil, it's unwise to let them to easily outdamage ARs at range

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MP7 needs to be brough down to 20m damage fall off and then i think smg balance will basically be perfect (asides from PP2000 lmao)

untold mesa
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mp7 will suck after 20m buddy, it's fairly easy to reach those 40m
ump still has its 3sk out to 39m btw...

plucky flax
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Rip 500 kill requirement for quick mag. Seeing that the gun was OP, it wasn't too hard to get anyway

cobalt dawn
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MP7 and PP19 are the only smgs where the fall off starts at 40

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kriss starts at 10, the rest start at 20

untold mesa
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that alone allows it to still be effective within 39m, especially with the bullshit that is its recoil

cobalt dawn
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the changes were good

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the firerate nerf brought the TTK back to earth, and the velocity nerf made it so it's a lot harder to connect shots at 40m. 375 is kinda really fucking low as far as velocity goes, it's barely more than most pistols

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i didn't want UMP nerfed into the ground and rendered unusable, i just wanted it toned down, and that's exactly what happened, so im happy with it

untold mesa
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idk 35dmg and that firerate scream ar with erectile disfunction to me

pine trench
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gun kills me in like 3 frames at close range and tickles at long range with accuracy worse than russian missiles. feels like worst of both worlds. at least it can't kill me in 3 shots from across the entire fucking map on salhan anymore, rip in piss

potent temple
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Reduce damage, increase velocity a lil bit.

honest lake
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Nah

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It's good now

cerulean basin
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it takes 185ms to kill someone at close range, thats the fastest TTK in the game (body shot)

honest lake
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its beaten by evo, fal, and mp7

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probably other guns too

cerulean basin
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went to check out and the ump firerate is actually 600 not 650

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so it has a TTK of 200ms actually

honest lake
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yeah the ump got nerfed already

bold copper
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Maybe replace the velocity buff withh more recoil imo

fresh oracle
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The 3btk at close range is a problem for a smg imo.

honest lake
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disagree

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fal and ak15 can 3 shot

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at close and long

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ump can only do short

cerulean basin
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played with the ump for a bit because of the weekly challenge and it felt pretty balanced for me

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only problem is the 500 kills to unlock the quick-A

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for very casual players, thats a small issue

potent temple
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500 kills quick mag requirement is back, idk why it was reverted.

cobalt dawn
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game dev is my passion

fresh oracle
# honest lake fal and ak15 can 3 shot

Not the same ammunition.
That's not logic it does the same of dmg than a dmr or a heavy AR.

OK for a higher dmg than the other smg but 45acp can't catch up 7.62x51 even at close range.

honest lake
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it's a video game tho

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Caliber doesn't matter

fresh oracle
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Well if you don't think consistency and balance is important for a FPS...

cobalt dawn
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consistency and balance =/= realism

hollow pebble
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Nerf this thing already.

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give it some actual recoil or gut the damage. smgs shouldnt outgun lsw's

keen coral
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Using the UMP felt like using an AR with much easier to manage recoil and BETTER damage so falloff didn't matter that much and it felt even better to use than certain ARs at mid range. The only thing that makes it a bit harder to use is the slow velocity, but otherwise, it's just better than ARs at their own supposed ideal range.

cobalt dawn
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damage fall off starts at 20 meters

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lay off the crack

keen coral
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doesn't matter because 35 damage

keen coral
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like unless engagement ranges are actually far away where I'd use F2000 or aug, why would I use ARs if UMP does job better with less recoil and super fast reload with quick mag?

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honest lake
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bro it is not a better scar H

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scar h has much better range then ump

hollow pebble
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so does the m249, doesnt mean jack when you got a laserbeam that cant miss

honest lake
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laserbeam doesnt matter when it does 2 damage

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its not a better scar h

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not even the same niche

fresh oracle
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Who ask that it's going 2 dmg? It's just not normal for a smg to tri-shot even at close range.
Smg strengths are handling, mobility, weight etc... Not damage.
We don't ask for nerfing this to the ground...
But a smg that does better dmg than a lmg... Not logic.

cerulean basin
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a .45 ACP bullet carries a lot of energy tho

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compared to a 9mm

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makes sense to do more dmg than the avg 9mm smg

cerulean basin
fresh oracle
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So does 5.45, 5.56 etc...
But ARs don't tri-shot.

cerulean basin
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in fact ARs could kill in 2 shots if you look at that, but that doesnt sound balanced does it?

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what they done here is that AR have more consistency at range

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subs dont

fresh oracle
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Well I know. But it does not make sense for ump to tri-shot that easily.

cerulean basin
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if you made ump fire 25dmg at 600rpm it would be useless compared to the other smgs

fresh oracle
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So ump must be tuned an other way.

cerulean basin
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in fact, 4 shot with 600rpm is useless

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ump is a slow firerate smg

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you cant turn it another way

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we could have the variant ump-9

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but that would probably be pp19 part-2

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ump-45 should stay as is

fresh oracle
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Better rof, better range than other smg.
It must be stronger than smg in an other way.

cerulean basin
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its a 3 shot and gets laided by FAL

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it doesnt have better range

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i can prove to you with a calculator if you want

cerulean basin
fresh oracle
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Those weapons are not in the same category... And it's normal that they outclass a smg in term of dmg...

cerulean basin
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i guess i do have to build a sheet for you

fresh oracle
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In close range fight other stats are important like weight and aiming speed.

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45 acp power : 483-676 J
5.56 power : 1670-1860 J

hollow pebble
cerulean basin
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@fresh oracle

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"oh but it uses less bullets"

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its better to down the current target first before the other does it on you

cerulean basin
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overall, you better off with a mp5 rather than a ump-45 in battlebit

cerulean basin
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in this game

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and many other shooters

cerulean basin
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just know that close range battles arent 100% of the encounters

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it can be like 90% if you position yourself correctly

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or 10% if you like medium to long rance

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but nerfing a weapon in its area of expertise needs better reasoning with concrete facts

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@fresh oracle @hollow pebble

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yes imma ping you because i need you to understand this

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and im not against balancing weapons

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im against unreasonable non-sense

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this is the current state of smg's

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fresh oracle
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3 tri-shot with smg is a non sense...
If they nerf its dmg, they have to up it in another way.
Up its ttk with rate of fire to catch up with other weapons. And up its range to make it have an identity compared to other smg.
I dislike OP weapons just like I dislike the trashiest ones.
The only thing I search is consistency.

cerulean basin
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bro

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scorpion evo destroys the ump

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you are actually in negation towards data

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less bullets to kill but always dies to 2 or 3 weapons (or more)

fresh oracle
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It is high rof weapons strength like scorpion or mp7.
When lower ones should have better control, accuracy, spread and range.

cerulean basin
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i guess you are upset of how easy to use is the ump

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its the first smg you unlock, its stable, easy to control and kills fast

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but you gotta be careful when making a starter weapon to handle worse

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ump it is consistent because you can see it hitting the targets better than the other smgs, because it shoots slower, and it should shoot slower

cobalt dawn
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ok but like

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the MP7 is better in like every way lmao

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less damage fall off, faster TTK, and less recoil

honest lake
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Jesus you guys are coping so hard

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"it shouldn't 3 shot"

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And how tf is it a better ultimax

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Not even the same niche

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What are y'all smoking

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"errrm its not realistic for a SMG to do more damage then a AR 🤓"

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if the game cared about realism then every gun would 1 shot to the head

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But that's not balanced

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So shut up about your realism

cerulean basin
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fr

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nice 3 shot kill when you dont get to do the third shot against a scorpion

cerulean basin
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AAAAAAAAAAAAA

cobalt dawn
honest lake
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my man

pine trench
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would be fine with the current state of this gun if the one frame kill bug didn't exist, feels like 50% of the time when I get one framed it's because of a UMP. but I like how accessible and reasonably powered it feels and how early you unlock it

quartz ferry
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Is it as necessary to cut the front sight off when installing any other sight?
Also, the F-U is mounted a little wrong.

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compact zenith
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vector was nerfed and everyone went to this
needs be an smg or dmr, not both
smg meta sucks ballocks

cobalt dawn
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it already got nerfed

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it's fine as is

compact zenith
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every other person in a match uses this disagrees

cobalt dawn
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MP7 is pretty much objectively better lmao

compact zenith
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then nerf that shit too
fuck all them smgs

honest lake
untold mesa
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the range on this thing 💀

hollow pebble
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ump needs hard nerfing

honest lake
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skill issue

icy fern
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am i tripping or the quick mag kill req was fixed? since it says 500 for me still