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#HK419 - Feedback
charred grove
frosty oracle
gun is fine quick mag penalty on hrecoil and vrecoil sure fine(still prefer if its not there) but magsize from 30 to 24 isnt really a good trade off. gun reload speed is bad. rate of fire shouldnt be different from an m4 since they are base of the same gun (and should be better than an m4 since its a more recent variant of an AR-15).
humble willow
Was disappointed when I played around with this in Polygon and realized that it wasn't worth the unlock. I agree with @frosty oracle all around with their suggestions. Could be interesting to swap the fire rates of the M4 and this weapon and make this a viable later game weapon to use>? Maybe?
frosty oracle
i think the gun sound on this gun needs to change i think not a lot of people like it. feels like a camera shutter going off. i like the gun sounds tho.
tired stratus
i really like how it sounds. it gives the gun a very unique vibe
thick oracle
Honestly even tho this isn’t the best gun I still do think it’s solid. Easy to control gun and I can laser someone across the map with it like an m4
stark bough
an increase to fire rate to make it more distinguishable from m4a1.
currently, it feels like a worse m4 with better sounds
frosty oracle
i think the penalty on the mag should be removed tho like its already a worse m4.
young pecan
I think it's a slightly worst AK74 honestly. You can build an AK74 which much lower horizontal recoil and vertical recoil, while having 10 more rpm.
frosty oracle
I think it's a slightly worst AK74 honestly. You can build an AK74 which much lo...
you actually cant build the ak74 with lower vertical recoil than this gun
young pecan
Combination of both, horizontal recoil is much more important.
young pecan
my bad, i worded it pretty bad
frosty oracle
hrecoil ak74 beats this by a lot tho
young pecan
Yeah my build I have 1.26 vert and 0.69 horizontal
it melts
I think that's with long barrel so the damage is 32.55
frosty oracle
actually funny too is quick mag makes this gun worse
i mean this gun the hk419
meanwhile the ak74 doesnt have penalty lmao
young pecan
Kind of disappointing for a high level gun, it needs a slight buff.
I mean it's good, but to have a starter gun rival it is pretty disappointing.
carmine thistle
Just a worse AK74 which is a worse M4A1. Disappointing unlock with no niche role to fill. Not to mention a rubbish quick mag option. Needs some love.
young pecan
Like at least buff the horizontal recoil to be comparable to both guns, but then again it'll just be like having another skin for the AK74, but it's called HK419.
frosty oracle
Like at least buff the horizontal recoil to be comparable to both guns, but the...
if they buffed the horizontal recoil of this gun it will be a better m4
young pecan
only slightly due to it being 31 damage, but I guess that would put it in a good spot though. M4 is already a top tier gun.
frosty oracle
i know this isnt the optimal setup but like if you put both tactical barrel+vert grip on both m4 and hk419
its vertical recoil is so much better than m4
horizontal recoil is like .30 points more than m4
young pecan
I think the horizontal recoil is more important though
Imma check it out in the test range
frosty oracle
yeah exactly thats why if they buffed hrecoil its a better m4
probably will be better if they also buff the RoF
frosty oracle
oh forgot i use medium scope so you can actually feel the difference in 1.07 and 1.00
young pecan
I usually use red dot/holo
frosty oracle
i like how the buttstock on m4 is extended but the hk419 isnt lmao
frosty oracle
ak74 control is low tho
young pecan
does it make that much of an impact?
i still shred people with this gun.
I actually don't know what control does
frosty oracle
control is more for people who uses scope
frosty oracle
i use scope cuz i cant aim on red dot or something similar on any games for idk reason but i can aim better with a scope
young pecan
maybe some kind of mental block
like i can aim well on rifles, but when i snipe, i can't keep my aim stable for some reason
frosty oracle
but yeah i just think the hk419 just really need to buff its RoF and its quickmag option besides that good gun if you ask me. just kinda sad not a lot of people use this gun
young pecan
Well I didn't even unlock it yet. The level that it unlocks was a huge barrior before this update.
I only used it in the shooting grounds.
i'll definitely use it after i unlock it though, it's a great gun
frosty oracle
so probably to summarize the stuff i think the people who joined this hk419 feedback
recoil is fine
remove penalty on quickmag
rate of fire increase or damage increase(?)
Gun sounds good very unique
i guess not a lot uses hk419 lmao
stark bough
simply use m4
frosty oracle
harsh zephyr
This gun gets the same treatment as the AK74 -> overshadowed by the M4A1
young pecan
Agreed, if it like reload noticeably faster than the M4, it might be worth it.
merry nexus
there's no reason to choose it over M4, either buff the dmg per bullet to 33 or increase the firerate, and please let the quick mag have 30 rounds like other guns
harsh zephyr
there's no reason to choose it over M4, either buff the dmg per bullet to 33 or ...
even the AK74 (another lvl 0 gun) is better than this
worn pagoda
so probably to summarize the stuff i think the people who joined this hk419 feed...
It doesn't sound good at all, am I firing frogs ? Xd it's even worse in full auto
That's why I don't use it, a gun needs to be satisfying to use and this just sounds like a frog croaking
The suppressor is sick on it tho
quartz grail
I like the gun but it feels like a worse M4, a slight reload and damage buff would really make it a viable option
frozen lava
Yeah, the range dropoff is far to low as well for the firerate.
frosty oracle
Yeah, the range dropoff is far to low as well for the firerate.
what?
are you talking about the bullet drop?
or the damage drop?
frosty oracle
cuz if its the bullet drop it has the same bullet drop as m4 and ak74
if its damage its the same damage as m4 and ak74 at the same distanec but higher by 0.1
frozen lava
I'm talking about the damage drop off. It's rate of fire would be fine if the damage drop off was better.
frosty oracle
I'm talking about the damage drop off. It's rate of fire would be fine if the da...
like you want it same as ak15, scar and fal level with that recoil?
frozen lava
I was thinking about the Aug, mostly
frosty oracle
I was thinking about the Aug, mostly
but the aug has 500 RoF and not 660 tho
thats like a huge difference
but i mean i dont mind the drop off getting buffed 
if that happens this will make aug and sg550 useless
frozen lava
I'm mostly just throwing ideas out there to see what sticks
As far as I can tell, the HK is just a slightly more controllable, but otherwise worse m4.
buoyant fractal
not even that, the horz recoil Dx
frozen lava
The lower rate of fire makes it more controllable with the same attachments and stats, but that also negatively affects its ttk by quite a bit, especially for something that's competing with stuff like the m4, the g36c, and the acr/sg550, all of which are in the "short damage range" category, but have better fire rate.
young pecan
I say give this gun 800 rpm
it would make it near top tier, for a level 135 gun, it needs to be better than starter guns
buoyant fractal
the gun has 850rpm irl but well we got the aug already so who cares really
harsh zephyr
the gun has 850rpm irl but well we got the aug already so who cares really
yeah 660 rpm for a level 135 gun is a joke
I mean, 660 rpm with mediocre recoil
buoyant fractal
yeah 660 rpm for a level 135 gun is a joke
especially for that gun, it's essentually an upgraded/sidegraded m4 by h&k that has 800rpm irl but that just doesn't matter when looking at other guns, can't wait to see a fal-recoil, ultimax-handling, 800rpm mg3 💀
young pecan
I mean, 660 rpm with mediocre recoil
Yeah that's groza territory, but groza has 34 damage bullets
frosty oracle
dear oki hk419 buff when?
nova cradle
Gun sound great. Gun no kill great. Make gun kill great, thx
jolly tendon
Its quick mag is actually a short mag and should be named / give benefits accordingly or become an actual quick mag with the same ammo count
I only noticed it because all of a sudden I started to run out of ammo more quickly
harsh zephyr
Its quick mag is actually a short mag and should be named / give benefits accord...
I have no idea why the quick mag has a recoil + ammo capacity penalty
and it's a level 135 unlock
and it's worse than AK74 and M4A1
imo G36C is the perfect balance, high level unlock but an upgrade from M4A1
worn pagoda
Gun sound great. Gun no kill great. Make gun kill great, thx
How does it sound great? Xd
It's awful
jolly tendon
Sound is amazing
You the fringe minority
jolly tendon
and it's worse than AK74 and M4A1
Yeah not only firerate and thus ttk are lower but also the urk grip + quick mag combo is worse
Needs buffs
worn pagoda
Sure enjoy your gun that sounds like a frog croaking
jolly tendon
Sure enjoy your gun that sounds like a frog croaking
Keep at it and you will be the cringe minority 🤣
nova cradle
The gun sounds cool because it's got this real unique almost futuristic bass to it. I like it
worn pagoda
Frogs croaking = futuristic whoa
nova cradle
Kind of lol
naive solstice
Thoughts on the new changes?
harsh zephyr
Thoughts on the new changes?
shreds at close range, good for run and gun playstyle
naive solstice
yeah cqc is great. mid range gets a bit screwy from the h recoil
lament fossil
I think it's a bit over tuned where it's beating out most other weapons from close to mid range and half of the server seems to be using them
vale marlin
It's kind of insane with only 18ms ttk slower than the skorpian, and similar ttk to harder hitting guns like the FAL, AK15, and SCARH, but has none of those guns' downsides in recoil or magazine size or speed.
naive solstice
h recoil spread makes mid range somewhat hard even if i got it down to ~1.18
tired stratus
yeah i feel like the buff was definitely a little much. firerate used to be 40 rpm lower than the m4, now it's 125 higher
i feel like it should be in the 750-800 range and no more than that
harsh zephyr
i feel like it should be in the 750-800 range and no more than that
I don't mind making its rof around 750-800 rpm but give it better horizontal recoil
arctic abyss
I'd say keep the rof but make the damage lower and the recoil higher
naive solstice
So a worse Famas?
young pecan
what is the new ttk
naive solstice
what is the new ttk
#battlebit-eng message
vale marlin
what is the new ttk
HK has a ttk of 218ms vs 100 hp, 218 vs 112hp, 291 vs 125hp. The ttk against normal armor (125hp) goes down to 218ms with long/heavy barrel. To compare, the Skorpian has 150 vs 100hp, 200 vs 112hp, 200 vs 125hp.
arctic abyss
So a worse Famas?
Not really if they lowered the damage to like 28
vale marlin
It's in a pretty good spot atm
certainly more distinct than the M4 and more on par with it irl equivalent
arctic abyss
Its good where its at rn if they would increase v and h recoil by 1
that way it can still be its irl equivalent while having some handicap
vale marlin
like 1.0 or 0.1?
vale marlin
So it would be the only AR with 2 recoil....
arctic abyss
that way people won't laser with it with attachments
vale marlin
bruh
vale marlin
I mean I don't think it's that good
arctic abyss
forgor
vale marlin
Def worse over range than the m4
arctic abyss
Honestly they need to do something even if its a tiny nerf
the ttk is just a little too fast for how accurate it is
naive solstice
I think Ive died more to f2000 than hk
At mid range, the h recoil keeps it from beaming
vale marlin
yeah the F2000 is pretty easy to mag dump at long range with slip and vert or b-25
tender siren
i don’t think this is an overbearing weapon but they could knock the rof down to 800
vale marlin
yeah i'd rather they nerf the extra rof than recoil
815-800 would still make it really servicable
tender siren
it’s nice but not so strong it needs to be dealt with heavy handedly
vale marlin
They should just focus on getting more guns into the game, especially for support players.
arctic abyss
Making it go down to 800 would honestly be better
blazing rivet
Bro, bring back the old HK. It feels so shaky.
vivid birch
The character pulls the bolt when reloading the HK419 instead of using the bolt stop lever. A character on an M4A1 (Both weapons are based on the AR-15) uses this lever
frosty oracle
The character pulls the bolt when reloading the HK419 instead of using the bolt ...
i mean does it matter which they use in game?
vivid birch
i mean does it matter which they use in game?
Of course, the reload speed depends on this
crystal roost
gun feels like a L86 from support, but faster firing and ads
vital compass
32 damage 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
vital compass
Nice 25% TTK increase and almost no recoil buff
ember monolith
Is 419 even real cause all I can find is 416 or 417 when I look it up
Just curious
buoyant fractal
nope, doesn't exist
arctic abyss
Wait nvm im here to confirm i was thinking of the hk417
limpid shale
I really like this weapon, but it's just worse Famas
That doesn't mean it's bad, on the countrary, it's good, but Famas is still better in majority of metrics
naive solstice
It has better range than famas since it starts with a higher dmg, 30 vs 26 and it has one less bullet for light armor. But reload sucks on hk
limpid shale
yeeeaah
no
HK recoil limits your range a lot ore than FAMAS
you can't really use that drop off difference
only advantage is ttk against armour, assuming you don't miss due to jumpy ass recoil
Famas is A LOT more smoother
naive solstice
Well bringing h recoil to ~1.12 is alright. That's how much famas is with my set up. Just v recoil goes up to 1.5 and it sucks
river sigil
h recoil is too high on 825 rpm make this gun not good as m4
naive solstice
h recoil is too high on 825 rpm make this gun not good as m4
It's not meant to be a mid/long range laser. High RoF for cqc.
naive solstice
I don't have an issue with full auto up to like 90m. Tact/urk has recoil similar to famas
river sigil
It's not meant to be a mid/long range laser. High RoF for cqc.
sure it is good at cqc but why i use a AR do SMG works?
naive solstice
Variety? And it works for mid range compared to smg
river sigil
for example i can use mp5 easy kill a 50-60m round but this can't
if i need to kill a 60M+ i will use M4 not hk
that why it can't work like a AR and not better than a SMG
naive solstice
50-60m for SMG is like 7-8 shot to kill. If you're doing 60m+, might as well use Aug for that reason.
river sigil
50-60m for SMG is like 7-8 shot to kill. If you're doing 60m+, might as well use...
are u sure need 7-8 short?
naive solstice
Mp5 is ~23 dmg and less beyond 60m. So 6 bullets for normal armor, 8 for exo at 60m.
crystal roost
50-60m for SMG is like 7-8 shot to kill. If you're doing 60m+, might as well use...
Mp5 is controlable enough to hit consistently on that range, ammo economy would be the problem there