#AK5C - Feedback

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signal root
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Put your feedback on the AK5C.

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback

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molten wadi
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currently the ak5c is on par with the ak74 and m4a1 in terms of damage and recoil, yet has a slightly lower firerate and nearly a second longer reload. with this in consideration, there's not much reason to use it when looking at the previous options. i'd think it could be interesting to lean into the niche of having a very low recoil assault rifle and reduce the vertical recoil by perhaps around ~.2-3, as well as possibly decreasing the reload time to around that ak74 and m4a1 has at around 4.1 seconds (potentially an option to have a quick mag as well)

this in general could be a good trade-off in regard to the lower firerate

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what do you guys think?

thorny totem
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Terrible gun compare with all assault rifles. Bad recoil, fall damage, damage, rate of fire. Without good qualities.

sand harbor
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For this rof, buff the damage. It seems like it wants to be an aug but fails to fill that role with bad stats all around. Should be a slightly high damage laser, keep the poor reload and rof to compensate

prisma cosmos
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  • I think this gun should go in the "Carbine Category", along with the G36c. The "c" in both abbreviations literally stands for the word "carbine".

  • The AK5c was built for excellent handling and I think that's where you can make this gun shine compared to the M4 and AK74. Slightly faster ADS, Draw Speed, etc. That can be the reward for unlocking this gun.

  • Damage is on point for the gun already, since it only shoots a 5.56 NATO. I know you'll be asked to buff the damage because it's an AK, but that's pointless here. If you ever consider doing it, make it 31 or 32 damage. A VERY MILD increase.

prisma cosmos
thorny totem
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it needs lower horizontal or vertical recoil and 700 firerate

sand harbor
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Acr is also a gimmick gun with run speed which in theory is great, but that high ttk kills it for a lot of people

prisma cosmos
sand harbor
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Yet people are drawn to M4 and AK because

prisma cosmos
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Muzzle flash is why.

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SSG has the muzzle flash of a 50 cal on full auto

olive hemlock
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This gun doesn't offer anything to make it viable or to pick it up. Even AUG offers more with it's niche that doesn't exist in reality.
TTK is sub par for an AR, reload speed is terrible, outperformed by every weapon except bet-feed LMG's. Accuracy isn't bad, but for an AR, weapon that should be used on longer ranges than SMG's it also need changes, especially in recoil.Lack of option to customize magazines also is a bad thing.

stuck anchor
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AK5C should be what AK74 was pre-nerf. It takes you till like lvl 140 or something to unlock. Might as well make it not complete dogshit.

iron island
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I just unlocked this a little while ago, an man it feels bad. I shoot people an it takes 8-10 hits to put people down (on average) comming from maining the FAL this feels like im nerfing my self by using it. I expected it to be similure to the other 30~ damage battle rifles but nope... i have hit people with 1 shot an got 5 assist points for it an i was litterly on top of the guy at point blank so no range issues. IN MY OPINION the AK5C is trash no matter what level its locked behind.

patent olive
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Honestly, having tried using the AK5C for an okay amount of time, it is pretty difficult to use. Pretty much the only time I win a "fight" is catching enemies by surprise, or from behind. Its long reload time does make it quite a pain to stay in a fight for very long as well, coupled with its slow fire rate just kinda makes it feel more like a suppressing rifle than any of the others. Id argue even the FAMAS, once upgraded a lil bit with attachments, would be better than a fully upgraded ak5c. I kinda agree with the minor damage buff previously mentioned, but it would also be nice if it either had mag attachments to greatly reduce reloads, or a faster reload speed in general. Personal suggestion would be a 4 - 4.25 second reload, with an increase to damage not above 33. It's not too dofficult to control because of the fire rate, though, so I dont believe it needs much of a change to recoil at all

hollow moon
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increasing the fire rate to 750 would be nice to making it decent fire rate that is slightly higher than the average fire rate of other ARs separating it from the rest in specific way, and reducing the vertical recoil to 1.35 and the horizontal recoil to 1.15 and reducing the reload time to 4.75 seconds these are not the biggest but would making it feel allot smoother and if there is a quick mag and a extended mag it would making it feel more customizable

candid cliff
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Probably the worst ar in the game, awful recoil, slow rpm, mid dmg, 5 s reload. This gun needs a complete rework

solid pivot
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IMO recoil wasn’t bad, but the rate of fire just meant you get outgunned by pretty much everything unless you get them by surprise.

candid cliff
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Awful recoil as in, the other guns with similar stats have less recoil

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M4, hk, etc

grand roost
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its vert recoil is fine the horizontal isnt recoil is bad tho

thick trout
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Reload feels way to long and could be fixed by adding magazin variations like for other guns.

wispy perch
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Imo this guns needs a slightly higher fire rate for close range consistency and possibility a damage multi increase to headshots or bullet velocity increase to incentivise headshots with it. Def don't think a damage adjustment is the play.

As it stands rn there's no real benefit even as a AK5C enjoyer to use it, which after using a lot of the ARs feels like a bummer.

twilit socket
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overall the assult rifles in the game need to be looked at overall. none of them feel as powerful and capable in a medium range fight as a smg or pdw. its frustrating to have leveled all the way to 135 to be greeted with a gun like the HK419, that just feels subpar to nearly everything I encounter with it, why have it at such a high level if it is not competitive? after playing for around 125 hours I feel FAR more comfortable fighting at medium to med-long range with a smg or pdw than all but 3 of the ARs, which just feels wrong to me. The ARs have far to much recoil to be effective at ranges where the smgs can just keep shooting with little recoil and win

little rivet
desert bone
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AK5C, after getting about 350 kills on it in the game. The rifle TTK and range effectiveness is actually not too bad (Unlike the ACR where the moment you get damage fall off, your gun becomes a pea shooter). The number one most egregious issue is the reload speed. A base 5.1s reload time (Could be even longer from on a full empty reload) with no options to either increase magazine capacity or decrease reload time through mag attachments.
To put into perspective, The Ultimax 100 which has a 100 round drum mag has comparable reload speeds at around 5.8s. AK5C shaves 0.7s for 70 rounds less in the mag.
It needs to have a faster base reload time in addition to magazine attachments being made avaliable.

tender tiger
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The AK5C is just the M4 but every stat is worst

grand roost
tender tiger
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NO ak5C

grand roost
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no i mean ak5c is a ak74 but worst

vernal abyss
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The AK5C combines the sluggish time to kill of the SG550 with a super slow reload time, more recoil and slower aimdown time! It’s just utterly outclassed. No reason to use this gun. I’m not sure what the best way to buff it would be, though; maybe keeping the reload time this slow could help lean into giving the gun its own identity, maybe increasing the damage of the bullets by a few points would give it a use case?

viscid remnant
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I don't see the point of this weapon. It has every characteristic that is bad. They also put it at level 145, I don't see the logic of it at all. The only thing that will help it is a complete rework of its characteristics

stuck anchor
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Which is really stupid because its at lvl 145 and is useless lmfao.

tender tiger
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but the AK5C has no redeeming factor, it's just another one of the M4 but worst in every stat instead of the M4 but the worst trade offs like the ACR/HK419/AK74(Only real benefit is the ability to 4 shot medium armor with heavy/long barrel unlike the M4A1.

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M4 vs G36C = 50 more ROF for more recoil
M4 vs SSG = 1 more bullet versus light/heavy but naturally low vertical recoil, and fastest reload time + ADS time at 0.14 and with B25urk+ quick it goes to 2.3 second long relads
are the only good guns of the 700 ROF* series

midnight orbit
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like the vector needs a HUGE nerf, ak5c needs a HUGE buff, same base dmg as M4 but has lower firerate, 5.10 sec base reload and doesn't have quick mag, this gun is so bullshit it is becoming a meme about got killed by ak5c in 2023 lol

proven saffron
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The reload time with no mag attachment option to lower is INSANE

midnight yarrow
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i think ~5 damage increase along with some better armor damage would make it viable and competitive with the better ars. I really like the slow rate of fire feel with the recoil and it would serve the gunplay much nicer if the bullets had a bit more impact behind them, especially with the lack of an extended magazine. It has no reason to be used over the m4 which is ridiculous considering the grind to get the gun.

spring wave
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Post-Buff Feedback: Gun feels great now. Reliable 3 shot, recoil is fair. Excited to see what a suppressor feels like on it.

copper dragon
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I feel like the horizontal recoil could be a bit lower or movement speed a bit higher to make the fact other weapons can beam you at 100+ meters with their very easy to control recoils

candid cliff
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Sounds like plastic

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Won't use it until its changed

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Or I will put a suppressor on it to hide the awful sound from the world

iron island
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AK5C sounds like im sqeezing bullets out of the gun.

native osprey
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Reload is kinda whack on it but otherwise nice suppressor is a must

uncut notch
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Please give PKAS optic

olive hemlock
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AK5C uses Aimpoints...

uncut notch
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Then in theory no weapon would have half their attachments if they are forced for county of origin

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The red dot is a coyote optic from china

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PKAS has different rail mounts for different rails

digital marsh
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wasn't the AK5C gonna get the PK-AS scope in this new update?

desert bone
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yeah, bug i think

vapid adder
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I wish it had a magazine attachment

obsidian gulch
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gun feels lacking. the longer range drop off compared to UMP/Groza isnt worth the huge reload, but i guess it works for assault class

olive hemlock
obsidian gulch
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What's a good attachment set up? Been using flash and urk.

wispy perch
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Actually REALLY solid post attachment rework. If you're willing to master it you probably have one of the best ARs in the game

vernal abyss
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It is definitely still one of the worst imo. Probably tied with f2000 or sg550

wispy perch
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@vernal abyss I'll have to check numbers, but if I remember right this gun didn't gain a ton from using the long/heavy barrels for the damage increase compared to a lot of the other weapons who were able to knock a shot off their TTK.

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Gun doesn't have to be built as hard to actually do really well, you just have to build it in a way that's controllable

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Also wouldn't agree with it being tied with the SG550, that gun also suffers from damage output post-rework.

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F2000 I'm not sure about, haven't touched it in a while. Always felt middle of the pack to me even with the ability to be built like a laser.

obsidian gulch
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Ak5c can go down to ~1.09 h recoil with 1.8 v recoil. It is fun to pick people off, but on quick fights, there are better imo

wispy perch
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For medic, sure. But assault doesn't have the flexibility when it comes to weapons like that. You kinda have to keep your fights at a decent distance

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Though the FAL does exist, but it's ammo capacity kinda hurts a lot of your kill potential

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Since you're either reloading or filling mags because you wiffed a lot of shots due to the horizontal recoil which makes using it at range more difficult.

vernal abyss
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So in that sense it's slightly more practical than it was

vernal abyss
wispy perch
# vernal abyss what would you say are the worst?

SG550 is for sure the worst, I don't think there's much argument there.

Not really sure about the other AR's excluding the slower fire rate ones. Haven't used em enough post rework and post prestige update

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I've just finished getting the AK74 to 3700+ kills, so it's been a min.

vernal abyss
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Personally I would not use the AK5C over a gun like the HK419. HK419 just has better reload time, better aimdown time, better ttk, and no actual downsides.

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Just outclassed really

wispy perch
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Oh fuck yeah the HK419 is insane now

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Totally forgot it got buffed since I actually haven't seen a ton of people using it for whatever reason.

vernal abyss
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if the AK5C just had a better ttk it would be ok

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but it is mid level with no other area it excels in

wispy perch
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At range I think it's comparable (not better) to the AUG but close up you def have better options

vernal abyss
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Why's that?

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it isn't a low recoil gun

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also lacks velocity and dropoff profile of aug

wispy perch
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Damage at range is pretty consistent for where you usually take fights if you can get the recoil managable. It's not impossible to get to a point where it's steady enough that you can beam with it. AUG def outclasses it but not by much imo.

wispy perch
vernal abyss
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even with attachments with generally low H recoil it throws off target lead and just aim in general a lot

wispy perch
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I'd have to check my setup but I don't really worry about the H recoil that much. Think I use vert grip and the barrel prior to the long and heavy barrel unlocks for majority of my setups now

vernal abyss
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I tested with stabil grip and flash hider, which seem pretty good atm

wispy perch
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Most of the other H recoil reduction barrels jack the V recoil to a level I don't have the space for KEKW

vernal abyss
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At longer ranges H recoil does matter a lot more since you just can’t compensate for it

wispy perch
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Within certain values you can make H recoil work for you if your leading is on point for moving targets. For stationary targets it's usually a better idea to tap fire.

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Like could you actually get used to h recoil? Kinda.

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Should you?

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Fuck no unless you're a masochist or you really like the gun KEKW

vernal abyss
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well, it is random

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you can get better with it but only to a point

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V recoil is actually random as well but less so, and the direction you need to pull at is consistent

wispy perch
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That's why I was saying there's still some level of mastery to it, since you can get it to a position when it's controllable on both sides and near as good as the AUG If you're willing to put in the time on it.

vernal abyss
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I'll believe it when I see it.

obsidian gulch
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1.2 h recoil effectiveness gets worse after like 80m. 1.0 h recoil is good but a bit more effort mouse dragging.

full crow
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this gun is pretty mid

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also the draw animation is bugged

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for like 300ms after the animation is finished you cant shoot or ads

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really annoying

livid raft
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I think even with the upcoming patch the AK5C recoil is way too high, none of the other stats are strong enough to deserve such bad recoil. The Groza has very similar stats with much easier recoil and it's still not overpowered

wispy perch
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It's basically what the AK15 and AK74 should have been

livid raft
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Compare it to a groza which has the same headshot damage

obsidian gulch
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It's a welcomed change still. It has more range and velocity than groza for mid range

wispy perch
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^

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Groza's balance point is it's bullet velocity and range, something the AK5C does way better in

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And it honestly can be as good as the AUG

obsidian gulch
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I hated fighting the recoil on the ak5c so I went back to Aug lol

wispy perch
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Only difference is the horizontal recoil and the fact that there's no fast mags

obsidian gulch
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At it's best, it was like 1.8 v recoil and 1.0 h recoil

livid raft
obsidian gulch
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It's a 3 body shot kill or 2 headshot for medium armor.

wispy perch
livid raft
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and then get over 2.00 vertical just to get 0.9 horizontal when there are much better guns with way less than that by default. Can you think of any reason for the recoil to be so high?

obsidian gulch
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It hits hard. Compared to fal/scar/ak15, ak5c is pretty controllable.

wispy perch
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And yeah, the recoil is because it hits so fucking hard

obsidian gulch
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From personal experience, when vrecoil is 1.8 and h recoil is like 1.0, ak5c gets pretty good range shots up to little past 100m. But 1.2 h recoil brings it down to 70-80m.

livid raft
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it doesnt even hit that hard, UMP and Groza both have better stats than it that are the most similar and they have laser recoil. Groza even has the same damage range as it

obsidian gulch
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I faired better with ak5c than groza 🤷‍♂️. Velocity makes a fair difference depending on how you play. I like mid range and not much CQC.

wispy perch
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Even in CQC it does well if you're good at keeping it at head level, I also prefer it over the Groza.

vernal abyss
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Post-upcoming-update, the only stats the AK5C beats the Groza in is reload time and velocity, Groza wins in TTK, aimdown time, run speed and recoil.
I would say this will make the AK5C viable but Groza still a better weapon.

livid raft
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and you can just adjust for velocity anyway so thats barely an issue

vernal abyss
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You cannot if they do not

obsidian gulch
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Ak5c will be tactical reloading always.

wispy perch
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And as I've said, the gun has been viable but we've had this discussion before so I'm not gonna really get into that.

obsidian gulch
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Buff ak5c rate of fire to match groza, 650.

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Then groza's main draw is mobility for CQC, ak5c for mid range with velocity